Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3315259]People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

[B]Ursula The Sea Witch[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?19493-Ursula-The-Sea-Witch[/URL]

I'll end with this: Words like "giver" and "healer" aren't commonly applied for self-description. They are used by others to describe someone else.[/QUOTE]I am just a freckle freak and I have many faults. My deceased fiance called me "Save a HO". It was her joke because she knew me better than anyone. When any addict doesn't respond appropriately you have a choice, leave them to their own demise or follow a path to help them make the choice to change. Sometimes that includes being an asshole. Therapists call it "Tough Love". Crissee can choose a different path, I tried to help, but her addictive personality won out. So many always think it's about the money, money is just an object she is a person crying out for help but not able to make a change because she has a disease. I really felt I was making headway until the BF showed up. Then things changed and probably for a variety of reasons. I fill pages of the forums about many incidents of addicts and the choices they make. I do so because I think many mongers are kind of like Pavlov's dog. Doing it once doesn't get your conscience salivating. Only through repetitive posts and stories will some of you take notice and stop salivating over drug addicted pussy. I know there is a lot of pussy being sold strictly for the purpose of feeding their addiction. I can't help them all, only the ones that ask for it. Crissee asked for help, so I stepped in, that was my angle.

Ursula, Star Baby is a sociopath. There is no help for her. If you read the story carefully you will notice the sociopathic behaviors, which by the way have been completely confirmed by her family. I don't believe Crissee is a sociopath just someone with the disease of addiction.

I also will end with your ending. I didn't describe myself with those words, my therapist described me with those words. I was just repeating what someone, in fact how many people have described me. Sorry if I repeated what others have said.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3315655]Dude, being a new poster doesn't mean you're a "noob. " For all we know he screens just fine but hasn't been a long time member here. If you don't want to believe him, that's fine. No need to chase off new people just because you want to be a dick.[/QUOTE]I've never seen white knighting of a dude before. Didn't me to ruffle the bromance between you and Justme2345.

Watch your mouth, BTW.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3316019]AutumnSkyy was a provider in Indy. She was also a crack addict. One day she called me and said she was being evicted from the home she was living at and where I was staying with her. How could this be? I was giving her the money for the rent. I was paying for the utilities. I was paying for her cancer treatments. How could she be evicted? Well the landlord told me she hadn't paid rent for 2-1/2 months. That can't be true, I gave her the money for the rent. Well it was because she smoked the rent along with the money she was making as a provider. I left and said good luck and call me if you ever want to make a change. She moved in with another addict and I paid $100 wk on utility bills so she could stay there and have a roof over her head. I never gave her cash again. I then contacted all of her regulars and told them she was a active crack addict and suggested that if they had any heart at all they would stop seeing her and enabling her. Most of them stopped seeing her. Soon she had no money. 4 weeks later I got a call from her asking for my help. She was ready to find a rehab facility and get clean. She had finally hit rock bottom and made the choice to change. We researched rehab facilities and she got into one. She stayed there for 7 months and never used again.
[/QUOTE]Addicts do change until all of their sources of income to buy the drugs stop, then they need to leave the area they are in to get away from the dealers and mongers that enable them. The sad part of that is Crissee will never leave the area to get away from all the enablers and as long as pussy is cheap mongers will visit her because in the end they don't care if she lives or dies just that they get pussy for a cheap price while she is alive, then they will find someone else.

So Freckle while I think you have a good heart in regard to these girls, there are too many mongers who just want their body parts and don't give a rats ass about them personally, as long as that exists they will have money for drugs. An Addict like Crissee does more damage to peoples lives than they do to their own when they need to get high. In order to stay on the street she has ratted on others and was complicit in sending them to prison, there are stories from her family that she was the one that gave her dad the hot shot that finished him (I don't know that for a fact but members of her family thinks she did him in). As an addict she also does not give a shit about her clients, she has turned in tons of people to stay on the street.

So in the end Crissee will continue to do her thing and the mongers will continue to do their thing. Freckle you cannot solely change the life of an addict.

Yes she reads these comments and she does not care what they say, she will just have other mongers post glowing rebuttals in exchange for discounted pussy.

So the morale of all of this is you cannot change her nor can you change the mongers. Sorry brother, some things you just cannot fix, all you can do is stay away from the people like Crissee yourself and whatever path she takes and what ever consequence there is that's what will happen. That's the path I took, I cannot change what mongers see her and I cannot change the damage she does to people, but I can choose not to be in the path of either so it does not affect me.

LEO is constantly watching her because they know she is a addict and they want her dealers, remember in August they had watched from may on until they had the evidence In August. Don't be foolish to think they are not watching her even now. You don't have to call the PO just let time take care of the inevitable outcome.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=IslandDreams;3316439]Addicts do change until all of their sources of income to buy the drugs stop, then they need to leave the area they are in to get away from the dealers and mongers that enable them. The sad part of that is Crissee will never leave the area to get away from all the enablers and as long as pussy is cheap mongers will visit her because in the end they don't care if she lives or dies just that they get pussy for a cheap price while she is alive, then they will find someone else.

So Freckle while I think you have a good heart in regard to these girls, there are too many mongers who just want their body parts and don't give a rats ass about them personally, as long as that exists they will have money for drugs. An Addict like Crissee does more damage to peoples lives than they do to their own when they need to get high. In order to stay on the street she has ratted on others and was complicit in sending them to prison, there are stories from her family that she was the one that gave her dad the hot shot that finished him (I don't know that for a fact but members of her family thinks she did him in). As an addict she also does not give a shit about her clients, she has turned in tons of people to stay on the street.

So in the end Crissee will continue to do her thing and the mongers will continue to do their thing. Freckle you cannot solely change the life of an addict.

Yes she reads these comments and she does not care what they say, she will just have other mongers post glowing rebuttals in exchange for discounted pussy.

So the morale of all of this is you cannot change her nor can you change the mongers. Sorry brother, some things you just cannot fix, all you can do is stay away from the people like Crissee yourself and whatever path she takes and what ever consequence there is that's what will happen. That's the path I took, I cannot change what mongers see her and I cannot change the damage she does to people, but I can choose not to be in the path of either so it does not affect me.

LEO is constantly watching her because they know she is a addict and they want her dealers, remember in August they had watched from may on until they had the evidence In August. Don't be foolish to think they are not watching her even now. You don't have to call the PO just let time take care of the inevitable outcome.

Be safe.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty strong statement, saying mongers don't care whether someone lives or dies. I think it's more accurate to say most mongers understand that providers are going to do what they're going to do, and that no amount of White Knighting is going to change that. Also, I think most mongers understand that a number of providers associate with some pretty unsavory characters and that a fair number of providers are involved in illegal activities in addition to the hobby. As such, staying out of providers' personal lives is usually a wise strategy, since you can't always tell which providers are into some really bad scenes.

I'm not trying to diss any providers here. I have found many of them to be likeable apart from the reason I'm seeing them. And in a way, they're honest in the sense that they have at least named their price, unlike your average woman in everyday life who keeps moving the goal post on guys.

As for Freckle, I do not know him. I do know that no one ever does anything for 100% pure reasons. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3316564]That's a pretty strong statement, saying mongers don't care whether someone lives or dies. I think it's more accurate to say most mongers understand that providers are going to do what they're going to do, and that no amount of White Knighting is going to change that. Also, I think most mongers understand that a number of providers associate with some pretty unsavory characters and that a fair number of providers are involved in illegal activities in addition to the hobby. As such, staying out of providers' personal lives is usually a wise strategy, since you can't always tell which providers are into some really bad scenes.

I'm not trying to diss any providers here. I have found many of them to be likeable apart from the reason I'm seeing them. And in a way, they're honest in the sense that they have at least named their price, unlike your average woman in everyday life who keeps moving the goal post on guys.

As for Freckle, I do not know him. I do know that no one ever does anything for 100% pure reasons. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]It was too strong of a statement, I like the way you put it, it is more accurate than my statement. in the end you and I arrive at the same conclusion "staying out of providers' personal lives is usually a wise strategy, since you can't always tell which providers are into some really bad scenes."

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3316309]I've never seen white knighting of a dude before. Didn't me to ruffle the bromance between you and Justme2345.

Watch your mouth, BTW.[/QUOTE]1. You don't know who the guy is.

2. You questioned her screening methods, without knowing anything about them. This board and senior status is not the end all, be all of screening. You need to learn there is more out there than this board.

3. You accused another member of a bromance with a guy that has posted once.

So, you ripped two guys and asserted that Brookee hadn't been screening properly, all without knowing a God damn thing about the situation.

The board needs a lot less of these posts without any thought that lead to rumors about providers and mongers.

[QUOTE=Raider1687;3316622]1. You don't know who the guy is.

2. You questioned her screening methods, without knowing anything about them. This board and senior status is not the end all, be all of screening. You need to learn there is more out there than this board.

3. You accused another member of a bromance with a guy that has posted once.

So, you ripped two guys and asserted that Brookee hadn't been screening properly, all without knowing a God damn thing about the situation.

The board needs a lot less of these posts without any thought that lead to rumors about providers and mongers.[/QUOTE]Dude referred to me as a dick. I didn't label anybody in a derogatory way. You have it all wrong I'm afraid.

That's your idea of 'ripping'? Lol

Rumors, about who? Most high quality providers wont see somebody unless they have senior staus or good references. Is that not fair to say? Sure there are exceptions. Stop acting as if a provider hasnt createda username and gave themselves a review before. Not saying thats the case here, but somebody with one post of one of the best providers is certainly suspect.


Imho of course

SincyCinnamon might have set a new record for wasting everybody's time checking on ads. She currently has 6 ads posted. Of course they have different fees as well. Why should we visit somebody this desperate or who just doesn't mind wasting our time?

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3316701]Dude referred to me as a dick. I didn't label anybody in a derogatory way. You have it all wrong I'm afraid.

That's your idea of 'ripping'? Lol

Rumors, about who? Most high quality providers wont see somebody unless they have senior staus or good references. Is that not fair to say? Sure there are exceptions. Stop acting as if a provider hasnt createda username and gave themselves a review before. Not saying thats the case here, but somebody with one post of one of the best providers is certainly suspect.


Imho of course[/QUOTE]True or false? Did you or did you not make an assumption about Brooke's screening process based on his post? Yes or No?

You said yourself, status OR references. So, why make a post about her screening process, when you don't know anything about it. It is a business to her, don't you think you should be sure of something before you say it?

Just like your last post about the provider creating a username, is it that or her screening process that you are attacking, exactly?

That since BP went tits up and the USA ads have been flooded with new women, that it seems the USA regular ladies have dropped out of the scene?

It almost makes a hobbyist want to find a new hobby!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3316019]AutumnSkyy was a provider in Indy. She was also a crack addict. One day she called me and said she was being evicted from the home she was living at and where I was staying with her. How could this be? I was giving her the money for the rent. I was paying for the utilities. I was paying for her cancer treatments. How could she be evicted? Well the landlord told me she hadn't paid rent for 2-1/2 months. That can't be true, I gave her the money for the rent. Well it was because she smoked the rent along with the money she was making as a provider. I left and said good luck and call me if you ever want to make a change. She moved in with another addict and I paid $100 wk on utility bills so she could stay there and have a roof over her head. I never gave her cash again. I then contacted all of her regulars and told them she was a active crack addict and suggested that if they had any heart at all they would stop seeing her and enabling her. Most of them stopped seeing her. Soon she had no money. 4 weeks later I got a call from her asking for my help. She was ready to find a rehab facility and get clean. She had finally hit rock bottom and made the choice to change. We researched rehab facilities and she got into one. She stayed there for 7 months and never used again..[/QUOTE]"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.

[QUOTE=Raider1687;3316757]True or false? Did you or did you not make an assumption about Brooke's screening process based on his post? Yes or No?

You said yourself, status OR references. So, why make a post about her screening process, when you don't know anything about it. It is a business to her, don't you think you should be sure of something before you say it?

Just like your last post about the provider creating a username, is it that or her screening process that you are attacking, exactly?[/QUOTE]I'm not into high school like drama. Sorry. You'll have to look elsewhere for somebody to entertain you.

Recess is over.

[QUOTE=Raider1687;3316757]True or false? Did you or did you not make an assumption about Brooke's screening process based on his post? Yes or No?

You said yourself, status OR references. So, why make a post about her screening process, when you don't know anything about it. It is a business to her, don't you think you should be sure of something before you say it?

Just like your last post about the provider creating a username, is it that or her screening process that you are attacking, exactly?[/QUOTE]I will not comment on Brooke's screening process, but I will say sometime a telephone call will get you a lot further than a text message. I've called and chatted with several providers and was able to acquire appointments without an extensive vetting process and all the while reading about guys talking about the vetting process they endured. Perhaps, the young man just has charisma and woo his way an appointment.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3316564]As for Freckle, I do not know him. I do know that no one ever does anything for 100% pure reasons. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]I like freckles and finding someone with great freckles who can fuck and suck me like no other, well that's something that isn't 100% pure. Yet then again maybe it is, because it's pure pleasure!

[QUOTE=Scarab31;3317306]I'm not into high school like drama. Sorry. You'll have to look elsewhere for somebody to entertain you.

Recess is over.[/QUOTE]I didn't think you would be able to explain yourself. Thanks for confirming that. LOL.