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[QUOTE=Cowboy1964;6505264]Please t me know if you have any info.[/QUOTE]I know the first one is real as I have her on FB but I have never seen her.
These SBs have lost their collective minds. This one wants $500 and already told me she doesn't do oral or anal. I'm cool with the no anal, but no BJ? WTF. I'm almost done with this and going back to straight up escorts. The Sugar Baby scene is getting to be too much work for very little return. Very frustrating.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/283863c2-65f3-4b99-9618-7091c4eb7610[/URL]
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6507109]These SBs have lost their collective minds. This one wants $500 and already told me she doesn't do oral or anal. I'm cool with the no anal, but no BJ? WTF. I'm almost done with this and going back to straight up escorts. The Sugar Baby scene is getting to be too much work for very little return. Very frustrating.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/283863c2-65f3-4b99-9618-7091c4eb7610[/URL][/QUOTE]Not to be mean but that women is not a $500 looker. You throw in no BJ and that is a very hard pass.
[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;6507484]Not to be mean but that women is not a $500 looker. You throw in no BJ and that is a very hard pass.[/QUOTE]You are correct.
Lysjacks on SA just got me. I gave her the money, and she came up with a BS excuse about needing her phone charger. Took off in vehicle. Hopefully attachment uploads. First time in all my years in the game this has happened to me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6507914]Lysjacks on SA just got me. I gave her the money, and she came up with a BS excuse about needing her phone charger. Took off in vehicle. Hopefully attachment uploads. First time in all my years in the game this has happened to me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/QUOTE]Glad to know. She been hitting me up and everytime she is requesting same day meeting.
[QUOTE=SkidMarks;6507932]Glad to know. She been hitting me up and everytime she is requesting same day meeting.[/QUOTE]I'm usually hesitant when they're so eager to meet same day. Spread the word about her. I'd hate for it to happen to anyone else.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6507914]Lysjacks on SA just got me. I gave her the money, and she came up with a BS excuse about needing her phone charger. Took off in vehicle. Hopefully attachment uploads. First time in all my years in the game this has happened to me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/QUOTE]What are the details of how she C&D you?
I always follow the rule of Sugar Dating: No Sugar until the panties hit the floor.
Never had a SB ask for money upfront as that is a pro's move. I never offer it, but usually do the 'high end escort' move: put the cash in an envelop with her name on it. If it's a new date, I keep the envelop in my case, other wise leave it out in a semi obvious place. If a girl were to go for the envelop I'd interject and tell her that is for her when she leaves and leave it there until we are done.
However, when I encounter the request for "money upfront," I show the girl I have the money and then put it back in my pocket until the date is over. If she protests, I might leave the Sugar on a table or TV stand away from her / us and say she can have it when we are done. {[i]Then I make sure I stay between her and the Sugar until the date is over.[/i]} If she protests further, or makes moves toward it, the sugar goes back in my pocket and I head for the door. Most girls seeing that I am willing to walk away, will have to make a decision, in my experience most recognize they are about to out game themself and give in and accept my terms. Otherwise I make take a small loss, but avoid something worse.
Oh, and FWIW here s link to a post of posting pics.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?34615-Tutorial-adding-pics&p=6008197&viewfull=1[/URL]#post6008197.
She got me for 250. I cashapped her as we were walking up the steps to my place, as she requested. Once inside my place she asked to go to the bathroom. After she got out of the bathroom she said she left her charging pad for her phone in the car. Someone had driven her there, so she called them to bring the charger back.
The car gets here, she looks back at me, gets in the car and the jet.
As long as I've been doing this I should've known better, but I think I let my guard down because I met her on a sugar dating site as opposed to an escort site. They're all playing the same game, just for different teams.
Never again. Lesson learned.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6508312]What are the details of how she C&D you?
I always follow the rule of Sugar Dating: No Sugar until the panties hit the floor.
Never had a SB ask for money upfront as that is a pro's move. I never offer it, but usually do the 'high end escort' move: put the cash in an envelop with her name on it. If it's a new date, I keep the envelop in my case, other wise leave it out in a semi obvious place. If a girl were to go for the envelop I'd interject and tell her that is for her when she leaves and leave it there until we are done.
However, when I encounter the request for "money upfront," I show the girl I have the money and then put it back in my pocket until the date is over. If she protests, I might leave the Sugar on a table or TV stand away from her / us and say she can have it when we are done. {[i]Then I make sure I stay between her and the Sugar until the date is over.[/i]} If she protests further, or makes moves toward it, the sugar goes back in my pocket and I head for the door. Most girls seeing that I am willing to walk away, will have to make a decision, in my experience most recognize they are about to out game themself and give in and accept my terms. Otherwise I make take a small loss, but avoid something worse.
Oh, and FWIW here s link to a post of posting pics.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?34615-Tutorial-adding-pics&p=6008197&viewfull=1[/URL]#post6008197.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6508322]She got me for 250. I cashapped her as we were walking up the steps to my place, as she requested. Once inside my place she asked to go to the bathroom. After she got out of the bathroom she said she left her charging pad for her phone in the car. Someone had driven her there, so she called them to bring the charger back.
The car gets here, she looks back at me, gets in the car and the jet.
As long as I've been doing this I should've known better, but I think I let my guard down because I met her on a sugar dating site as opposed to an escort site. They're all playing the same game, just for different teams.
Never again. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks for sharing the details and sorry for your loss! I guess you can chalk it up to 'tuition paid' in the school of mongering?
Not to belabor the point or increase the pain of your loss, but I'm interested in using CashApp for payment? I have not been able to find a way to sign up for any of those electronic money transfer methods without using IRL info. As such, doesn't one then reveal their real name to the girl? Seems a minor thing, but this thread from time to time has reports of girls blackmailing dudes when they find the IRL info! Even if there is a way to do it, I refuse so I can say I don't have ePayment methods and can work strictly cash.
Now that said, I thought I have read that there is a way to cancel or pullback funds on CashApp for some period after it is sent? Perhaps others can clarify?
Finally in the rules for SW'ers there is a line about not hosting at your own place. I guess for me the issue of blackmail or other things comes into play. What if you are taking the girl to dinner or a show and her compatriot decides to visit your place and steal stuff? What if she gets desperate and shows up at yor place at 2 AM loud and demanding money? Until I have built a solid foundation of trust with a girl, and I know about her IRL, no way I'm inviting her to my place.
Again sorry for your loss. It always pains me to see dudes getting ripped-off. I guess experiential learning is the most powerful teacher? Sigh.
Any time I've had one of these experiences, I have stepped back, taken some time to reflect on things and do some studying as to learn how to better sugar / monger.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6508378]OK, thanks for sharing the details and sorry for your loss! I guess you can chalk it up to 'tuition paid' in the school of mongering?
Not to belabor the point or increase the pain of your loss, but I'm interested in using CashApp for payment? I have not been able to find a way to sign up for any of those electronic money transfer methods without using IRL info. As such, doesn't one then reveal their real name to the girl? Seems a minor thing, but this thread from time to time has reports of girls blackmailing dudes when they find the IRL info! Even if there is a way to do it, I refuse so I can say I don't have ePayment methods and can work strictly cash.
Now that said, I thought I have read that there is a way to cancel or pullback funds on CashApp for some period after it is sent? Perhaps others can clarify?
Finally in the rules for SW'ers there is a line about not hosting at your own place. I guess for me the issue of blackmail or other things comes into play. What if you are taking the girl to dinner or a show and her compatriot decides to visit your place and steal stuff? What if she gets desperate and shows up at yor place at 2 AM loud and demanding money? Until I have built a solid foundation of trust with a girl, and I know about her IRL, no way I'm inviting her to my place.
Again sorry for your loss. It always pains me to see dudes getting ripped-off. I guess experiential learning is the most powerful teacher? Sigh.
Any time I've had one of these experiences, I have stepped back, taken some time to reflect on things and do some studying as to learn how to better sugar / monger.[/QUOTE]Usually I do a meet and greet, but I didn't this time. I think if I'd have requested a public M&G she would've declined and I could've avoided this. I think I had a false sense of security because I recently had a great FC date with Cowgirl, without doing a M&G.
I'm not overly concerned about extortion as I'm very single. I also live in a secure building, so if my place gets robbed they really earned it. LOL.
As for cashapp, I know you don't have to show your real name, just whatever moniker you choose.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6507914]Lysjacks on SA just got me. I gave her the money, and she came up with a BS excuse about needing her phone charger. Took off in vehicle. Hopefully attachment uploads. First time in all my years in the game this has happened to me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/QUOTE]AKA Lystyler. Last known number ends in 4489.
She had an ankle monitor in the past, fwiw.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6508437]Usually I do a meet and greet, but I didn't this time. I think if I'd have requested a public M&G she would've declined and I could've avoided this. I think I had a false sense of security because I recently had a great FC date with Cowgirl, without doing a M&G.
I'm not overly concerned about extortion as I'm very single. I also live in a secure building, so if my place gets robbed they really earned it. LOL.
As for cashapp, I know you don't have to show your real name, just whatever moniker you choose.[/QUOTE]Hey, I just can't help myself and NOT respond! I see too much of me in what you report! Kudos for being open to discuss this!
When I started I had a lot of enthusiasm, gusto and a bit of devil-may-care attitude. But with time and bad experiences, I learned to step back and internalize "the rules" for escorts and then modify them for the Sugar Bowl.
I have found, in my mongering career, that every time I ignore the rules or figure I am smarter or just plain ignore them, THAT is when bad experiences bite me in the ass. Yeah, I have broken the rules and got away with it from time to time, but consistently, for me, ignoring the rules ends up with experiential learning.
I also thought being single was something that would allow me to not worry about being personally identified. But I once found out that was short sighted on my part. Girl some how figured out who I was, found me on SM (LinkedIn) and called me at work with threats. Last thing I need is my career ruined when a SB or escort starts calling the boss, upper management, etc. Figured that most states are employment "at will" and I could lose job as a result. If she started posting to SM, family, friends, colleagues, etc could find out about my hobbying and I could have ended up with huge losses there.
I had a buddy who use to post on these threads, but quit when a local, state and Nat'l LE operation got interested in his posts and went looking. They got near to tracking him down, and I suspect IRL stuff from banking information was used.
So just some thoughts from experience. I also have found that everyone perceives and manages (or doesn't), risk differently. No one approach is right for everyone.
So just some thoughts, fwiw! Stay safe!
I don't have a paid membership but instead what I do is send my pictures to potential profiles and see if they reply. If I get enough interest then I'll consider getting a paid membership.
I did this with the profile below and I see that they replied. Does anyone have any experience with this young lady.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cbb360b1-2ef3-496a-8ce2-ec20c4b22a31[/URL]
[QUOTE=FrankCastle6;6510423]AKA Lystyler. Last known number ends in 4489.
She had an ankle monitor in the past, fwiw.[/QUOTE]Well damn, that's her then.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6511382]Well damn, that's her then.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/URL]
She has contacted me recently by text wanting to meet up, but with the intel on this forum it's not happening. She contacted me a few months ago and wanted a pre-meet gift, I never responded because I will never do it. She then tells me she doesn't require a pre-meet, she must be desperate. I always do a m & g with a gift (I look at it as an interview I've turned more away then I've had a second date with.
So I'll share this photo. A SB? I wish. This is the talent among the local weather girls in Cali (not politically correct).
What's the best paid service for phone number search?
I've been using TruthFinder but it often can't find phone numbers info. I even enter my own personal number and it can't find anything.
FoxyDancer on SA. Anyone get pass just want someone to pay for her nails. Feel free to send me a private message. Would like to link up with her for a nice dream.
[QUOTE=TopGun9;6518548]What's the best paid service for phone number search?
I've been using TruthFinder but it often can't find phone numbers info. I even enter my own personal number and it can't find anything.[/QUOTE]I mostly use been verified. If you give them a new email address for the login, you can get a week worth of searching for $1. I have a few prepaid cards laying around from past purchases on SA, it is a good way to burn off those last few bucks.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6518704]I mostly use been verified. If you give them a new email address for the login, you can get a week worth of searching for $1. I have a few prepaid cards laying around from past purchases on SA, it is a good way to burn off those last few bucks.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Will give them a try.
[QUOTE=Whisper007;6518550]FoxyDancer on SA. Anyone get pass just want someone to pay for her nails. Feel free to send me a private message. Would like to link up with her for a nice dream.[/QUOTE]I've made a couple runs at her, and she's been adamant she won't hook up. As always, YMMV.
[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;6518902]I've made a couple runs at her, and she's been adamant she won't hook up. As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]She is not NEARLY hot enough for me to pay her to not fuck me. She's already not fucking me and porn is free.
Anyone had dreams of this duo? One looks like she has a little methmouth going on.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3d0d9e95-c2a3-47e3-bbb2-b0d5c3949290[/URL]
Has anyone had the pleasure of meeting this lady?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d43cb568-2793-412b-937d-3b33ad3241a3[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;6520509]Has anyone had the pleasure of meeting this lady?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d43cb568-2793-412b-937d-3b33ad3241a3[/URL][/QUOTE]Just checking. Is this something happening to my account or everyone is facing issues. When ever I click on the links it says find better match and doesn't show profile?
Is their any setting to be changed. Any help appreciated.
[QUOTE=Vince2000;6521194]Just checking. Is this something happening to my account or everyone is facing issues. When ever I click on the links it says find better match and doesn't show profile?
Is their any setting to be changed. Any help appreciated.[/QUOTE]She probably blocked you. The profile works.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6507914]Lysjacks on SA just got me. I gave her the money, and she came up with a BS excuse about needing her phone charger. Took off in vehicle. Hopefully attachment uploads. First time in all my years in the game this has happened to me.
https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/QUOTE]Not throwing shade because it happened to me a few years back in Greenville, NC. What's worse it was my fault. This Baby was on fire texting and sending hot pics days before the meet. I drive down there, get a room, a bottle of the vodka she requested. She texts me that she's about 5 minutes out and get ready for the blowjob of my life!
First warning sign, she comes in, I hug her and she recoils. WTF? Then asked for the PPM upfront, says she recently got scammed, sex but no cash. I figured maybe that's why she was acting weird. Then I totally mess up, go to get ice, yup, she's gone.
Now if a Baby asks for the cash before playtime I shame them by saying, no, your a Sugarbaby, not an escort. If they walk, they walk. Actually haven't had another ask you front, now that I think of it.
[QUOTE=DoggieFan;6524440]
Now if a Baby asks for the cash before playtime I shame them by saying, no, your a Sugarbaby, not an escort. If they walk, they walk. Actually haven't had another ask you front, now that I think of it.[/QUOTE][B]Golden Rule of the Sugar Bowl:[/B] No Sugar until the panties hit the floor!
But as DoggieFan rightly points out, you HAVE TO be willing to walk away or you're gunna get scammed.
Alternatively one can lay the sugar out on a counter, table or TV stand and say, "there it is, it's yours when we are done. " THEN keep yourself between the Sugar and the girl at ALL times.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6525047][B]Golden Rule of the Sugar Bowl:[/B] No Sugar until the panties hit the floor!
But as DoggieFan rightly points out, you HAVE TO be willing to walk away or you're gunna get scammed.
Alternatively one can lay the sugar out on a counter, table or TV stand and say, "there it is, it's yours when we are done. " THEN keep yourself between the Sugar and the girl at ALL times.[/QUOTE]I agree totally with you and Doggie. I have been lobbying for a long time and this was a first for me. What you said is the exact phrase that's been going through my mind, "no sugar until the panties hit the floor". If I'd realized she was the same chick with the ankle monitor I would never have met her.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6525136]I agree totally with you and Doggie. I have been lobbying for a long time and this was a first for me. What you said is the exact phrase that's been going through my mind, "no sugar until the panties hit the floor". If I'd realized she was the same chick with the ankle monitor I would never have met her.[/QUOTE]It stinks when it happens and we all have been there at one time or another. I feel for you.
Most of the time stuff like you experienced happens after a few dates, when there is familiarity and one's guard is down. So your experience was a bit of an anomoly The comfort level or relationship gets one setting aside what they know to be true or the rules.
It sounds so jaded to be so rule specific and apparently rigid and uncaring, but it only takes once for the hobby to reiforce 'the rules' and teach a lesson.
My hope is that, through your kind recitation of the unfortunate incident that others will "book learn" or see themself in that situation and learn to avoid any mis steps. At least we can hope!
Any good monger is always learning, revising, editing, changing one's approach.
Thanks again for sharing your experience and teachable moment!
[QUOTE=EasyeOne;6522999]She probably blocked you. The profile works.[/QUOTE]No it happens with everyprofile that I try to open. And I recently joined SA.
How do you convince SBs to go from weekly meets to around twice a month? Would like to keep one in the rotation at same PPM.
[QUOTE=AznPrideRice;6527960]How do you convince SBs to go from weekly meets to around twice a month? Would like to keep one in the rotation at same PPM.[/QUOTE]Honestly the first thing I tell any SB or Escort is that I travel a lot for work and that's why I do PPM only. I rotate SB and Escorts a lot. So if they ever text me wanting to meet up that's when ill tell them I'm getting ready to leave town for a week or two, that's when I say we can meet up now for a last minute for a discount, 9 out of 10 times they fall for it and I see them cheaper then normally or they will have to wait awhile until I'm back.
To each their own.
[QUOTE=AznPrideRice;6527960]How do you convince SBs to go from weekly meets to around twice a month? Would like to keep one in the rotation at same PPM.[/QUOTE]I tell them up front that I am trying to meet twice a month. And if things go well and I have time I will meet more. I let them know I have a busy schedule and I work overtime so I will catch you when I can. Never had a problem.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ceb51128-94ef-42fb-b6a1-5ac14f97b756[/URL]
Isn't this Rose? She was on the scene for awhile then went on vacay?
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6530912][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ceb51128-94ef-42fb-b6a1-5ac14f97b756[/URL]
Isn't this Rose? She was on the scene for awhile then went on vacay?[/QUOTE]I was wondering where I had seen her before. I believe you are correct. We swapped a couple of messages when she first showed up on the site. But she hasn't logged in for a couple of days. Says her name is Megan. In recovery and busy getting moved into a new apartment.
Started a convo with a new lady this morning. It was going great. When she suggested we chat offline I was all for it. She insists on using either WhatsApp or Telegram though. I suggested either Kik, Snap, or texting and she was adamanent that those apps were the only way to chat with her. For some reason it sent up a red flag for me. Any idea why she would insist on using those?
Have any of you used those apps for chatting?
[QUOTE=SBmidlo;6531343]Started a convo with a new lady this morning. It was going great. When she suggested we chat offline I was all for it. She insists on using either WhatsApp or Telegram though. I suggested either Kik, Snap, or texting and she was adamanent that those apps were the only way to chat with her. For some reason it sent up a red flag for me. Any idea why she would insist on using those?
Have any of you used those apps for chatting?[/QUOTE]I had what's app on my phone, thought I had it listed with my burner number and was texting with a girl and all of sudden my phone started ringing, not sure if it gave my real number or something else, but freaked me out and I deleted it. I am not sure what it is with the what's app. Seems some scammers like to use it.