Dirtona Pugilistic Society and Coffee Bar

[QUOTE=Camera3;4725028]I agree with the rubber and lube (I do bring in flavored lube and have found that I get better BBBJ when my balls and dick taste like candy).

And this may just be me, but I very seldom take one for the team. There are so many resources out there for reviews. If a girl has been out there for a week, she has reviews. And if she doesn't, frankly, I don't want to be the one to teach her.

That goes for full-time hookers and sugar babies. Now, amateurs? The ladies I meet on sites like Ashley Madison? That is different.

The real key to that is that I had to learn that [b]there are many fake reviews, so had to learn to research the reviewers.[/b]

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]I have learned this valuable lesson as well!

Sorry, this isn't a post about a Dr. Suess character or some hideous creature, though either of those would be pretty cool. No, this post is about the first of three things I learned recently while interrogating a provider down on Merritt Island.

I would have preferred to tell you the story just like it unfolded, but for reasons beyond my control I'm going to have to just summarize it for you.

I basically just asked her what the most likely cause for a monger being ghosted by a provider was. I fully expected her to say something akin to, "getting high and checking out," but her answer was "multiple bookings". The theory is, providers don't know who will show up, so she vectors in anyone who can text a coherent sentence. When someone shows up, the rest are ghosted. Then, the respectful ghostees might get a "sorry, my phone died" text much later, while the angry ghostees just get blocked.

So I'm not even going to try and unpack the multiple-booking culture so prevalent on both sides of this hobby. But I can tell you that the more information you know about a given system, the greater your ability to influence it. I took away quite a bit from that experience, and have since modified my own strategies and behaviors accordingly. But it's stupid late and I'm tired so I'll enumerate my takeaways in a later post. In the meantime, I'm sure others can reflect on the subject as well as I can.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Storm321;4731926]So you think the mofo is lying?[/QUOTE]I think the mofo should have lead with Escort Reports #3667 and never written #3657.

I like this website; it gives dept of health data by zip code.

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[QUOTE=JoshuaFalken;4731800]Sorry, this isn't a post about a Dr. Suess character or some hideous creature, though either of those would be pretty cool. No, this post is about the first of three things I learned recently while interrogating a provider down on Merritt Island.

I would have preferred to tell you the story just like it unfolded, but for reasons beyond my control I'm going to have to just summarize it for you.

I basically just asked her what the most likely cause for a monger being ghosted by a provider was. I fully expected her to say something akin to, "getting high and checking out," but her answer was "multiple bookings". The theory is, providers don't know who will show up, so she vectors in anyone who can text a coherent sentence. When someone shows up, the rest are ghosted. Then, the respectful ghostees might get a "sorry, my phone died" text much later, while the angry ghostees just get blocked.

So I'm not even going to try and unpack the multiple-booking culture so prevalent on both sides of this hobby. But I can tell you that the more information you know about a given system, the greater your ability to influence it. I took away quite a bit from that experience, and have since modified my own strategies and behaviors accordingly. But it's stupid late and I'm tired so I'll enumerate my takeaways in a later post. In the meantime, I'm sure others can reflect on the subject as well as I can.

Cheers![/QUOTE]I've been telling people this for a long, long time. The provider is telling you the truth. Let's face it; they are in the business to make money. If they relied on every single monger to actually keep his appointment then they'd end up wasting a lot of time (and money) waiting on no-shows. Unfortunately this means that a few of us end up getting double-booked. This is why I say a monger should always have a "Plan B" on standby.

[QUOTE=SmutVillian;4733750]I've been telling people this for a long, long time. The provider is telling you the truth. Let's face it; they are in the business to make money. If they relied on every single monger to actually keep his appointment then they'd end up wasting a lot of time (and money) waiting on no-shows. Unfortunately this means that a few of us end up getting double-booked. This is why I say a monger should always have a "Plan B" on standby.[/QUOTE]I agree. Of course they are in it to make money. Take advantage of that. We are in it for the fun of it and having your time wasted is no fun at all. I try to eliminate the run around and BS as much as possible. I've found that it pays off to keep communication clear and concise the keep the appointments you make. If you want to see her again she will be inclined to ghost the other guy if she knows you keep your appointments and show up on time.

If you talk to these chicks they all say the same things. Guys no show them all the time. It pays to not be one of them. As has been mentioned, they don't have phone problems. That's the excuse you hear if you are the second choice and they ghost you. The ones they ghost get called back IF they are polite. If not, that guy gets ignored or blocked. If you are being consistently ghosted and they don't answer or respond to your texts, consider what the experience is on their side and what you bring to the table. This isn't about kissing their ass. I want what I want. It's about not having your time wasted and getting what you are after in the first place with as little run around and BS as possible.

This is, unfortunately, part of the business. And not just in the provider world. Any business that accepts un-funded or no deposit appointments could possibly do the same practice. I have had it done to me by hairstylists, oil changes by mobile mechanics and auto repair techs. Here is the big tip! Stay communicating, and arrive early. I would rather wait outside while they get ready than show up and be out due to a double book. Sometimes the girl will say I have to jump in the shower first, counter with OK, lets shower together, which by the way is a good motor starter!

[QUOTE=Swim999;4735720]I agree. Of course they are in it to make money. Take advantage of that. We are in it for the fun of it and having your time wasted is no fun at all. I try to eliminate the run around and BS as much as possible. I've found that it pays off to keep communication clear and concise the keep the appointments you make. If you want to see her again she will be inclined to ghost the other guy if she knows you keep your appointments and show up on time.

If you talk to these chicks they all say the same things. Guys no show them all the time. It pays to not be one of them. As has been mentioned, they don't have phone problems. That's the excuse you hear if you are the second choice and they ghost you. The ones they ghost get called back IF they are polite. If not, that guy gets ignored or blocked. If you are being consistently ghosted and they don't answer or respond to your texts, consider what the experience is on their side and what you bring to the table. This isn't about kissing their ass. I want what I want. It's about not having your time wasted and getting what you are after in the first place with as little run around and BS as possible.[/QUOTE]

Smut Villain, Swim999, and NewAgain, you guys are awesome! (Sorry if I left anyone out). Those were some great insights. Swim999, your post mirrors my feelings so precisely that I could have written it. Of course, I would have used twice the words and done no better, LOL. I have definitely adopted the strategies of:

1. Clear and concise communication.

2. Communicating openly and often.

3. Keeping my appointments.

Thanks NewAgain, I am now going to add to my mongering arsenal:

4. Arrive early.

I often do this anyway just to scope out the scene if it's my first time there, but your rationale for arriving early makes great sense. I'll just let the lass know "Hey, I arrived early. I'll wait 'til you're ready". That way she knows the cash is sitting right outside but doesn't feel pressured to skip any of her hygiene preparations. Offering to shower together was also a great tip.

Another strategy I've found useful continues along the lines of attacking the root cause problem, "she doesn't know who will show up". So have you ever been ghosted by a provider that you've seen before? Of course you have, and it may have been because, given the scores of rendezvous and thousands of texts she's had since your previous encounter, she really doesn't associate your phone number with you or that fun, no-hassle, profitable time she had with you months ago. Unless you're a regular, you can't rely on her to remember you based on your phone number or that, "Hey baby, this is Frank again" thing that you do, thinking she'll read up the text chain. Some will, but many won't.

To combat this lack of recognition, before you leave a provider's bedroom, ask the lass to save you in her Contacts and give her a descriptive phrase she'll remember. For example, if you told her your name was Maxim, and if she commented on your badass Misfits tattoo, ask her to add you to her Contacts as "Misfits Maxim". Now when your text pops up, you are more likely to be remembered and prioritized. It's all about being a known quantity, a safe bet. Your goal is to ensure that when Misfit Maxim pops up in her texting app, she instantly associates you with good money and a good time. So lets ad that to the list.

5. Get added to her contacts, and make it memorable.

"That's all well and good after she already knows you," you may be thinking, "but what if you haven't seen her yet?" Well, clearly it's hard to attack the "unknown quantity" problem when you are, indeed, an unknown quantity. But there are certainly things we all can do to improve our odds in this department. This one will sound a bit obvious, but in my experience, few mongers actually do it. Call her! Talk to her. Let her hear your gentlemanly voice, your respectful tone, your educated and professional demeanor, your wry wit. Be that monger a provider wants to host; make a connection with her (and if you're a pro, make her laugh) and it will be much more difficult for her to blow you off.

6. Call her if possible.

Okay, so what if she is text-only or what if that erstwhile silver tongue of yours just doesn't function when talking with a sexy lass? As a plan B, just be all those things in text form (which you are probably doing already). Text like an educated, professional, respectful (yet funny) gentleman. Sure, we think it's sexy as hell when a lass texts us "hey, want to cum fuck me?" (I just gave myself a semi writing that sentence. I miss Crystal), but unless you are on extremely familiar terms with the lass (and I still don't recommend it), she will be offended if she receives that same text. I don't make the rules, I just play the game.

7. Text like a gentleman (or at least fake it).

There are a few more steps I've learned to take that have improved my mongering experience, but perhaps they are better shared after I've posted Thing's 2 and 3. Plus these Airwolf episodes aren't going to watch themselves.

Duh-nun-nun-NAH.

DUH-nun-nun-NAH.

Oh never mind, just go here and turn up the volume: [URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-dwmf-wx8VQ[/URL].

I heard from an Ocala monger a long time ago about the nature of her apt - (filthy would be understating it) and her hygiene (she refuses to bath or shave) and the fact that she can't even take care of her child. Yet one monger continues to act like her management / pimp / gatekeeper as he literally has probably nearly 1/4 of his posts have been hyping her. My Ocala friend has a remarkable objective perspective on this hobby which seems to elude Amy's lucky charm here in the forum. It's come to the point where we don't see good reviews for Amy from anyone other than this monger who continues to defend and hype her as maybe just a little sloppy and maybe smokes a little weed (LMFAO). I don't know about anyone else but I wish he would just stop the madness; he can not save Amy.

[QUOTE=Mongerlicious;4737540]I heard from an Ocala monger a long time ago about the nature of her apt - (filthy would be understating it) and her hygiene (she refuses to bath or shave) and the fact that she can't even take care of her child. Yet one monger continues to act like her management / pimp / gatekeeper as he literally has probably nearly 1/4 of his posts have been hyping her. My Ocala friend has a remarkable objective perspective on this hobby which seems to elude Amy's lucky charm here in the forum. It's come to the point where we don't see good reviews for Amy from anyone other than this monger who continues to defend and hype her as maybe just a little sloppy and maybe smokes a little weed (LMFAO). I don't know about anyone else but I wish he would just stop the madness; he can not save Amy.[/QUOTE]Maybe its his kid she's pregnant with. Good keep the money coming in for diapers.

So if you've just joined the discussion, this is a continuation of Thing 1, posted here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?18188-Dirtona-Pugilistic-Society-and-Coffee-Bar&p=4731800&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4731800.

The second revelation came when the Merritt Island provider asked me, "Are you on USA Sex Guide?" I confessed that I was, and had thoroughly researched her before making contact.

"If I'd known that, it would have been a no brainer" she laughed, referring to the decision of whether or not to see me. When I asked the lass why, she responded that active usasg members "just don't seem to play games or bring drama like the others".

Perhaps you recall the recent, interesting discussion here on the Dirtona thread regarding this very subject. It began with TruffleButter's experience documented in post #441: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?18188-Dirtona-Pugilistic-Society-and-Coffee-Bar&p=4467336&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4467336. This was followed be EroticM, PaidUp, RoadWarrior, and me all chiming in as well. Here is part of my response:

Unrelated: If anyone has sampled this tasty little morsel, please PM me and I will be in your debt. [URL]http://archive.ph/Lj9Wu[/URL]

[QUOTE=Member#6026;4467980]...I used to introduce myself by my monger handle to put providers at ease. Now I almost never do, because nothing good can come from it. They (almost) never do their due diligence like we do, so the handle was never a benefit. And sooner or later I figured I'd have an experience like yours or worse (I'm sure there are those who would enjoy some payback for the things I've written.).[/QUOTE]Given that I held this view, the wee lass certainly gave me food for thought. Maybe there is some middle-ground to be had here? The provider didn't ask me what my handle was. She only asked if I were on this site. If there is a scheduling advantage to be had from usasg affiliation, perhaps I could work it into my standard greeting (which I won't publish here, but if you PM me yours, I'll respond with mine). Maybe I'll insert something into my greeting like "I loved your reviews on usasg," assuming she has reviews. Anyway, I'll figure something out.

So what do you gents think? Is there just downside (like TruffleButter encountered) to giving up your usasg affiliation when booking a lass, or are there ways to elicit the kind of upside the Merritt Island provider was hinting at?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=JoshuaFalken;4740410]So if you've just joined the discussion, this is a continuation of Thing 1, posted here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?18188-Dirtona-Pugilistic-Society-and-Coffee-Bar&p=4731800&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4731800.

The second revelation came when the Merritt Island provider asked me, "Are you on USA Sex Guide?" I confessed that I was, and had thoroughly researched her before making contact.

"If I'd known that, it would have been a no brainer" she laughed, referring to the decision of whether or not to see me. When I asked the lass why, she responded that active usasg members "just don't seem to play games or bring drama like the others".

Perhaps you recall the recent, interesting discussion here on the Dirtona thread regarding this very subject. It began with TruffleButter's experience documented in post #441: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?18188-Dirtona-Pugilistic-Society-and-Coffee-Bar&p=4467336&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4467336. This was followed be EroticM, PaidUp, RoadWarrior, and me all chiming in as well. Here is part of my response:

Unrelated: If anyone has sampled this tasty little morsel, please PM me and I will be in your debt. [URL]http://archive.ph/Lj9Wu[/URL]

Given that I held this view, the wee lass certainly gave me food for thought. Maybe there is some middle-ground to be had here? The provider didn't ask me what my handle was. She only asked if I were on this site. If there is a scheduling advantage to be had from usasg affiliation, perhaps I could work it into my standard greeting (which I won't publish here, but if you PM me yours, I'll respond with mine). Maybe I'll insert something into my greeting like "I loved your reviews on usasg," assuming she has reviews. Anyway, I'll figure something out.

So what do you gents think? Is there just downside (like TruffleButter encountered) to giving up your usasg affiliation when booking a lass, or are there ways to elicit the kind of upside the Merritt Island provider was hinting at?

Cheers![/QUOTE]Perhaps there is some benefits from throwing ones USASG handle out there. My thoughts are this. It will only benefit you if the provider brings it up first. The ones that do know about this site (and perhaps have handles themselves), I think will due do some researching if you give them your handle. I recently have had three UTR providers verify me doing just that. It was painless and put them at ease and we ended up scheduling appointments. Any provider smart enough to know about this site, IMHO, would tend to be on the good side. They wouldn't continue to give lackluster performances if they know they are getting reviewed on their performance.

I don't however, recommend bringing it up to providers. In a way, it is nice that the decent to bad providers don't know this site exists so that us mongers can continue to help each other out by giving our accounts of what actually goes down. If a bad provider knows about this site, she isn't going to miraculously start giving good performances just to gain more attention. And on the other side, the good to great providers that do know about this site know that they need to continue to give good performances in order for their good reputations to stay in tact.

Just my two cents.

I don't lead with it, but it does come up.

I have a lot of posts (I have been here a long time and play in multiple cities). I have been told by a few ladies that when I post a review their phone rings. I have had a few ask me to review them for that reason. I will take that to mean that a lot of folks know I don't bullshit (much) and, especially when it comes to reviews, you can take them to the bank.

I can't remember the last time I had to give a reference. If a lady asks I then give them my screen name and suggest they check me out the way I did them.

I have heard of girls who won't see USA members, and I know why. There are some guys on here with some serious issues. But in a few other cities I play it is quite different than Central Florida. Our USA neighborhood is definitely larger than most other places.

Again, I don't lead with it, but have found times it helps.

Play safe,

C3.

[QUOTE=JoshuaFalken;4740410]So if you've just joined the discussion, this is a continuation of Thing 1, posted here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?18188-Dirtona-Pugilistic-Society-and-Coffee-Bar&p=4731800&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4731800.

The second revelation came when the Merritt Island provider asked me, "Are you on USA Sex Guide?" I confessed that I was, and had thoroughly researched her before making contact.

"If I'd known that, it would have been a no brainer" she laughed, referring to the decision of whether or not to see me. When I asked the lass why, she responded that active usasg members "just don't seem to play games or bring drama like the others".

Perhaps you recall the recent, interesting discussion here on the Dirtona thread regarding this very subject. It began with TruffleButter's experience documented in post #441: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?18188-Dirtona-Pugilistic-Society-and-Coffee-Bar&p=4467336&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4467336. This was followed be EroticM, PaidUp, RoadWarrior, and me all chiming in as well. Here is part of my response:

Unrelated: If anyone has sampled this tasty little morsel, please PM me and I will be in your debt. [URL]http://archive.ph/Lj9Wu[/URL]

Given that I held this view, the wee lass certainly gave me food for thought. Maybe there is some middle-ground to be had here? The provider didn't ask me what my handle was. She only asked if I were on this site. If there is a scheduling advantage to be had from usasg affiliation, perhaps I could work it into my standard greeting (which I won't publish here, but if you PM me yours, I'll respond with mine). Maybe I'll insert something into my greeting like "I loved your reviews on usasg," assuming she has reviews. Anyway, I'll figure something out.

So what do you gents think? Is there just downside (like TruffleButter encountered) to giving up your usasg affiliation when booking a lass, or are there ways to elicit the kind of upside the Merritt Island provider was hinting at?

Cheers![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Camera3;4742026]I don't lead with it, but it does come up.

I have a lot of posts (I have been here a long time and play in multiple cities). I have been told by a few ladies that when I post a review their phone rings. I have had a few ask me to review them for that reason. I will take that to mean that a lot of folks know I don't bullshit (much) and, especially when it comes to reviews, you can take them to the bank.

I can't remember the last time I had to give a reference. If a lady asks I then give them my screen name and suggest they check me out the way I did them.

I have heard of girls who won't see USA members, and I know why. There are some guys on here with some serious issues. But in a few other cities I play it is quite different than Central Florida. Our USA neighborhood is definitely larger than most other places.

Again, I don't lead with it, but have found times it helps.

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]When I live up North it really helped to be a senior on USASG. In fact there were providers who did well posting only on the USASG site. Down here it really doesn't seem to help much. I saw a provider about a yr ago, looked pretty good and had some good pussy in spite of the smokey room. Gave her some tips on comms, said I was a zenior USASG member and that I would give her a good review. Next time I contacted her and set something up she ghosted me. Might help board advertisers in Orlando but Daytona, not so much. I have heard a lot of bad things about mongers around here and providers just dgaf.