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The whole situation is getting out of control. There are rip-offs, no shows, no response, fake pics, GPS, and a list of other nonsense going on. On top of all of this the fake ads are outnumbering the real ones 3-1 or more. When I started long ago, you had to call and get the information that is readily available on the ads. You did however get pretty decent description and service was decent as well. Now that we have pics and even a menu of what's available you should be getting a very good idea of what to expect. Obviously this isn't the case. I have seen pics so old that I would guess they could be pics of daughters. Who keeps pics that are 15-20 old? Then you have the new "car date" option at the rate of $$/ hr? It also seems like if you are in the biz the fixed $. 5 and $$ are like a union rate. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are those are the fixed rates. So if you are nice, clean, staying in a decent motel and giving full time paid for you get $$/ hr. If you have fake pics and are 15 years older than your pics, living in a sketchy hotel or even doing "Car Dates" , smell like a tuna fish sandwich and have a list of rules, you also feel entitled to the $$/ hr (more like 20 min or least amount of time possible) rate. As another poster recommended maybe we should let them have a few weeks of nothing. We have to change or things will keep getting worse. We need to dream with the ones that are good dreams and leave the nightmares alone. Let the supply and demand work it self out.

[QUOTE=MarkDay;4861093]The whole situation is getting out of control. There are rip-offs, no shows, no response, fake pics, GPS, and a list of other nonsense going on. On top of all of this the fake ads are outnumbering the real ones 3-1 or more. When I started long ago, you had to call and get the information that is readily available on the ads. You did however get pretty decent description and service was decent as well. Now that we have pics and even a menu of what's available you should be getting a very good idea of what to expect. Obviously this isn't the case. I have seen pics so old that I would guess they could be pics of daughters. Who keeps pics that are 15-20 old? Then you have the new "car date" option at the rate of $$/ hr? It also seems like if you are in the biz the fixed $. 5 and $$ are like a union rate. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are those are the fixed rates. So if you are nice, clean, staying in a decent motel and giving full time paid for you get $$/ hr. If you have fake pics and are 15 years older than your pics, living in a sketchy hotel or even doing "Car Dates" , smell like a tuna fish sandwich and have a list of rules, you also feel entitled to the $$/ hr (more like 20 min or least amount of time possible) rate. As another poster recommended maybe we should let them have a few weeks of nothing. We have to change or things will keep getting worse. We need to dream with the ones that are good dreams and leave the nightmares alone. Let the supply and demand work it self out.[/QUOTE]You are correct!

[QUOTE=MarkDay;4861093]The whole situation is getting out of control. There are rip-offs, no shows, no response, fake pics, GPS, and a list of other nonsense going on. On top of all of this the fake ads are outnumbering the real ones 3-1 or more. When I started long ago, you had to call and get the information that is readily available on the ads. You did however get pretty decent description and service was decent as well. Now that we have pics and even a menu of what's available you should be getting a very good idea of what to expect. Obviously this isn't the case. I have seen pics so old that I would guess they could be pics of daughters. Who keeps pics that are 15-20 old? Then you have the new "car date" option at the rate of $$/ hr? It also seems like if you are in the biz the fixed $. 5 and $$ are like a union rate. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are those are the fixed rates. So if you are nice, clean, staying in a decent motel and giving full time paid for you get $$/ hr. If you have fake pics and are 15 years older than your pics, living in a sketchy hotel or even doing "Car Dates" , smell like a tuna fish sandwich and have a list of rules, you also feel entitled to the $$/ hr (more like 20 min or least amount of time possible) rate. As another poster recommended maybe we should let them have a few weeks of nothing. We have to change or things will keep getting worse. We need to dream with the ones that are good dreams and leave the nightmares alone. Let the supply and demand work it self out.[/QUOTE]If you want the market to change, taking a break will not fix it. Stop entering seeing the bad ones. Stop seeing the ones charging $$ for a car date, seriously who does that. If you want the market to change, rewarding that bad parts of the market. That goes for websites too. If a site has bad practices, stop going to that site. Things only change with permanent changes, not temporary charges.

Everyone that has posted here has some valid points and good ideas as to what to do. We can stop seeing and rewarding these girls and hope things will change, but we have to be realistic and realize we are only a small percentage of guys in the big hobby. Sure, we can post our experiences here and hope many lurkers and members see our posts and avoid the bad ones, every little bit helps. Unfortunately, too many guys want instant gratification and don't do their research. I also think some guys don't want to report their bad experiences, for whatever reason, and only post good or OK ones. That's why after someone posts a bad report or ripoff, someone follows soon after reporting their bad experience with the same girl. Why not report it sooner? Then there is also some shady reviews here, so even in this forum we have to weed out dishonest reviews.

I myself have taken recent breaks from the hobby, partly due to the pandemic, being busy with work, and also due to too many fake ads, scammers and unreliable girls. Recently I tried to reach out to a mentioned utr here and didn't get a reply till 12 hours later, no surprise, so I didn't even bother responding back. I still like to look, share info, and stay in the loop but I'm not as quick to pull the trigger.

And don't get me started on listcrawler aka EB, what a bs site. It's sad when one of the main sites in the hobby is so full of crap and can't be taken seriously. Post any negative comment / review on there and you get somewhat banned, and the girl gets to pick which comments / reviews get to stay. The only way to get your message out is to basically create your own ad and warn others. I've seen a few guys do that in the past, where they posted their own ads, using pics of the girl and warning everyone. Eventually it goes away but at least it is seen by many.

Just a reminder to be aware and be careful.

I'm sure there's more this story (there always is) but it's a good reminder that this hobby ain't worth dying for.

[URL]https://www.wsmv.com/news/davidson_county/woman-charged-with-murder-after-death-at-music-valley-area-motel/article_3148153c-c08d-11ea-8e02-172b3da2a490.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ColdDownThere;4867149]Just a reminder to be aware and be careful.

I'm sure there's more this story (there always is) but it's a good reminder that this hobby ain't worth dying for.

[URL]https://www.wsmv.com/news/davidson_county/woman-charged-with-murder-after-death-at-music-valley-area-motel/article_3148153c-c08d-11ea-8e02-172b3da2a490.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Ha it's no more to the story. A escort tried to rob the customer and killed him when he fought back. That's what I read.

[QUOTE=MacJayii;4862675]If you want the market to change, taking a break will not fix it. Stop entering seeing the bad ones. Stop seeing the ones charging $$ for a car date, seriously who does that. If you want the market to change, rewarding that bad parts of the market. That goes for websites too. If a site has bad practices, stop going to that site. Things only change with permanent changes, not temporary charges.[/QUOTE]I agree with you!

I'm tired of having to decipher what half the posts are about due to misspelled words and incorrect words that are auto-spelled. Not much we can do about guys who have no sense of correct grammar, but at least re-read your posts and use the "preview report" button before posting. Thank you for your consideration.

I'm one of those naive guys who doesn't have a burner phone.

Recently I was shocked to see a provider pull out her phone and have my first and last name in her contact list. She is one of those providers I trust, she has let me into her home and there is clearly no drugs or drama. Still, it made me realize how at risk I am with my info out there.

I've since changed the settings on my phone to not share my info when I call people.

Question: how many of you have been burned because you didn't use a burner or because you invited a provider into your home?

Thanks for the advice!

[QUOTE=MarkDay;4861093]The whole situation is getting out of control. There are rip-offs, no shows, no response, fake pics, GPS, and a list of other nonsense going on. On top of all of this the fake ads are outnumbering the real ones 3-1 or more. When I started long ago, you had to call and get the information that is readily available on the ads. You did however get pretty decent description and service was decent as well. Now that we have pics and even a menu of what's available you should be getting a very good idea of what to expect. Obviously this isn't the case. I have seen pics so old that I would guess they could be pics of daughters. Who keeps pics that are 15-20 old? Then you have the new "car date" option at the rate of $$/ hr? It also seems like if you are in the biz the fixed $. 5 and $$ are like a union rate. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are those are the fixed rates. So if you are nice, clean, staying in a decent motel and giving full time paid for you get $$/ hr. If you have fake pics and are 15 years older than your pics, living in a sketchy hotel or even doing "Car Dates" , smell like a tuna fish sandwich and have a list of rules, you also feel entitled to the $$/ hr (more like 20 min or least amount of time possible) rate. As another poster recommended maybe we should let them have a few weeks of nothing. We have to change or things will keep getting worse. We need to dream with the ones that are good dreams and leave the nightmares alone. Let the supply and demand work it self out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cromwell;4862118]You are correct![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RustyKuntz;4862892]Everyone that has posted here has some valid points and good ideas as to what to do. We can stop seeing and rewarding these girls and hope things will change, but we have to be realistic and realize we are only a small percentage of guys in the big hobby. Sure, we can post our experiences here and hope many lurkers and members see our posts and avoid the bad ones, every little bit helps. Unfortunately, too many guys want instant gratification and don't do their research. I also think some guys don't want to report their bad experiences, for whatever reason, and only post good or OK ones. That's why after someone posts a bad report or ripoff, someone follows soon after reporting their bad experience with the same girl. Why not report it sooner? Then there is also some shady reviews here, so even in this forum we have to weed out dishonest reviews.

I myself have taken recent breaks from the hobby, partly due to the pandemic, being busy with work, and also due to too many fake ads, scammers and unreliable girls. Recently I tried to reach out to a mentioned utr here and didn't get a reply till 12 hours later, no surprise, so I didn't even bother responding back. I still like to look, share info, and stay in the loop but I'm not as quick to pull the trigger.

And don't get me started on listcrawler aka EB, what a bs site. It's sad when one of the main sites in the hobby is so full of crap and can't be taken seriously. Post any negative comment / review on there and you get somewhat banned, and the girl gets to pick which comments / reviews get to stay. The only way to get your message out is to basically create your own ad and warn others. I've seen a few guys do that in the past, where they posted their own ads, using pics of the girl and warning everyone. Eventually it goes away but at least it is seen by many.[/QUOTE]It will never change when you got members like " RickForFun1" whiteknighting these hoes and believe their sob stories.

That's why the market is the way it is now.

Then you got other men trying to tell these women how do their business like telling them to raise prices so the female won't see as many men and the member who told her to raise the prices will fell safer.

Then you got men believing every dam sob story these women spew out and don't believe they do candy.

Then others who fall for the obvious fake ads.

[QUOTE=BigDWilly615;4890272]It will never change when you got members like " RickForFun1" whiteknighting these hoes and believe their sob stories.

That's why the market is the way it is now.

Then you got other men trying to tell these women how do their business like telling them to raise prices so the female won't see as many men and the member who told her to raise the prices will fell safer.

Then you got men believing every dam sob story these women spew out and don't believe they do candy.

Then others who fall for the obvious fake ads.[/QUOTE]Then you got people subscribing to onlyfans further letting them almost make the same without even having to see anyone. This shit is ass. Our Market is fucked when crackheads are getting $$ an hr. People with no reviews no built up business come in and try to charge top dollar for bullshit. Don't even let me get started on the massage industry. That shit is a joke.

[QUOTE=Tre312;4890380]Then you got people subscribing to onlyfans further letting them almost make the same without even having to see anyone. This shit is ass. Our Market is fucked when crackheads are getting $$ an hr. People with no reviews no built up business come in and try to charge top dollar for bullshit. Don't even let me get started on the massage industry. That shit is a joke.[/QUOTE]Please clarify what "this shit is ass" means. Maybe it was auto corrected or maybe I'm just too out of touch with today's lingo. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JustLookn;4892644]Please clarify what "this shit is ass" means. Maybe it was auto corrected or maybe I'm just too out of touch with today's lingo. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It means the current hobby market is fucked. And he's got a point. Prices have gone up, quality not so much.

[QUOTE=Tre312;4890380]Then you got people subscribing to onlyfans further letting them almost make the same without even having to see anyone. This shit is ass. Our Market is fucked when crackheads are getting $$ an hr. People with no reviews no built up business come in and try to charge top dollar for bullshit. Don't even let me get started on the massage industry. That shit is a joke.[/QUOTE]When you guys pay deposits, you contribute to the ridiculousness. When you patron a parlor or escort and they don't deliver, you are encouraging the rip off. When you pay a strung out crack head $$ for something that should cost $50 you are helping promote the price gouging.

Read the boards, search picture, check other cities, reach out to SENIORS for opinions.

Don't think with your little brain.