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I don't want to offend either of you or get into a cyber debate on religion in a board like this or anywhere for that matter.
I do think it was unnecessary for Marine 77 to keep repeating his reasons for feeling uncomfortable by referencing God. But I think VS's response and attempt to disqualify religion was more in depth than his and just as unnecessary.
Everyone is entitled to what ever their faith or lack there of, and this isn't really the forum to discuss certain those things.
All that originally needed to be said that was that the young lady that Marine 77 posted about used very poor judgement and it made him feel uncomfortable. It was a little over the top to suggest that mongers pay for child care. That responsibility lies with the provider. Speaking for MYSELF, I would feel extremely uncomfortable and would remove myself from the situation and never return.
It's a very unfortunate part of the hobby, but the quality of provider that you are seeing will increase the chance that things like this can occur. If someone see's a junkie, there is a great chance that her judgment is clouded and that her morals take a back seat and sometimes if she has kids they suffer. We choose who we decide to see or more important continue to see.
The one thing I think that was omitted from Marine's post that should have been included was a reference to who the young lady was, so we can all use that info provided to make an educated choice on if we want to see her. That is what the board is for. It also let's the other mongers verify either by past experience with the young lady or similar posts that the monger is legitimate and making a legitimate claim.
As far as the anti- religion rant, I think its important to respect someones belief as well as their non belief. No need to try to dispel or convince someone about their spiritual beliefs in this arena.
[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1617749]Everyone who participates in the hobby will encounter a children scenario at one time or another. I've had 2 toddlers asleep in the next bed while I partied with mom. So what! They didn't wake up, so no problem. I would have preferred them not being there but they were and I had seen their mom many times before and I wasn't about to leave.
I'm happy for you that you're a "God fearing man" but spreading 2-5 thousand year old mythology on this board is inappropriate. I don't know any "religious freaks" on here and personally I find it hypocritical to talk that shit when all the mainstream "Belief Systems" have so many restrictions on sexuality, from the teaching that "women are "unclean"during their period to the nonsense that the use of a condom is sinful. Since the bulk of mainstream religions Judaism, Christianity and Muslims share the Abrahamic root, they all have lots to argue about as to who is "right" and who is "wrong".
This board is about spewing sperm, not spewing unprovable belief systems based on superstition and coming from ancient unscientific, uneducated minds who were fearful of thunderstorms and volcanos and attributed them to a "gods" unhappiness with their behavior.
*"Jesus fucking christ I thought to myself. Holy shit! THe woman was quick to assure me that all was good and that her kid had awoken form her nap. What? Are you fucking crazy I though to myself."
This line is from the beginning of your post, where you defame your "Lord and Savior" and later in your post you say to let god in your heart and take care of the children he has lovingly entrusted to you. Sounds a tiny bit conflicted to me.
You are entitled to believe anything you want but personally I resent "preaching" Biblical mythology and telling us we should pay for babysitters on this board and we are not "true gentleman' if we don't.
The last lines in your post were over the top but typical of conflicted christian beliefs where they deny the drives of our animal nature to reproduce and the pleasures produced from it and try to reconcile their beliefs while still participating in the "sinful" pleasure but continuing to preach to mongers and providers. They indulge in this hypocrisy because they believe that since they are "Born Again" and saved they are forgiven their weaknesses, how convenient! I cannot trust you Marine 77, you still have not posted anything that hasn't been posted before and this last post is outrageous, and the Marine "Identity" is a bit much, very much akin to religious brainwashing, same techniques just a different subject, try thinking for yourself and not running it through the filters of "belief Systems" it's very refreshing. This is my opinion anyone else want to chime in? AMEN-VS[/QUOTE]
Just When Things Were Going So Nicely:
[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1617749]Everyone who participates in the hobby will encounter a children scenario at one time or another. I've had 2 toddlers asleep in the next bed while I partied with mom. So what! They didn't wake up, so no problem. I would have preferred them not being there but they were and I had seen their mom many times before and I wasn't about to leave.
I'm happy for you that you're a "God fearing man" but spreading 2-5 thousand year old mythology on this board is inappropriate. I don't know any "religious freaks" on here and personally I find it hypocritical to talk that shit when all the mainstream "Belief Systems" have so many restrictions on sexuality, from the teaching that "women are "unclean"during their period to the nonsense that the use of a condom is sinful. Since the bulk of mainstream religions Judaism, Christianity and Muslims share the Abrahamic root, they all have lots to argue about as to who is "right" and who is "wrong".
This board is about spewing sperm, not spewing unprovable belief systems based on superstition and coming from ancient unscientific, uneducated minds who were fearful of thunderstorms and volcanos and attributed them to a "gods" unhappiness with their behavior.
*"Jesus fucking christ I thought to myself. Holy shit! THe woman was quick to assure me that all was good and that her kid had awoken form her nap. What? Are you fucking crazy I though to myself."
This line is from the beginning of your post, where you defame your "Lord and Savior" and later in your post you say to let god in your heart and take care of the children he has lovingly entrusted to you. Sounds a tiny bit conflicted to me.
You are entitled to believe anything you want but personally I resent "preaching" Biblical mythology and telling us we should pay for babysitters on this board and we are not "true gentleman' if we don't.
The last lines in your post were over the top but typical of conflicted christian beliefs where they deny the drives of our animal nature to reproduce and the pleasures produced from it and try to reconcile their beliefs while still participating in the "sinful" pleasure but continuing to preach to mongers and providers. They indulge in this hypocrisy because they believe that since they are "Born Again" and saved they are forgiven their weaknesses, how convenient! I cannot trust you Marine 77, you still have not posted anything that hasn't been posted before and this last post is outrageous, and the Marine "Identity" is a bit much, very much akin to religious brainwashing, same techniques just a different subject, try thinking for yourself and not running it through the filters of "belief Systems" it's very refreshing. This is my opinion anyone else want to chime in? AMEN-VS[/QUOTE]Well, I don't want to pile on the Marine as he may ultimately prove to have some redeeming qualities but as of 12-8, not so much. I know we've all made the quantum leap from calling Viet Nam Vets 'baby-killers' to letting current armed forces members fuck our moms and girlfriends but does this shit have an end-point? In defense of the Marine (and ignoring the 'hoo-yas' and that he may have worked state-side in the mess hall for 4 years) , we really can't bi*tch about other's goofy ideas without injecting our own. But regarding the specifics of VS's post to marine, didn't he knowingly, willingly and happily, descend into hell and then write a review about how the temperature there was too hot, the devil had too menacing a look and his pitchfork was too sharp? Seriously, are you f*cking kidding? I know we're all expecting virgins who have 'saved themselves' for just this one meeting with us and if we're military veteran's, they have not only saved themselves but followed a strict vegetarian diet and cleansed their colon for the anticipated holy, military, first-time, violation to pay for our collective, non-military-participation sins.
But I digress.
VS has obviously studied the religion 'situation' enough to know it's bullshit as have I. I have studied it beyond the necessary point that you need to. You only need to know enough to get you to the where you are the guy in the joke where a Grizzly Bear is chasing two guys. The first guy starts running and the second guy says, 'Are you crazy, you can't outrun a Grizzly Bear? ' The second guy says, 'I don't have to outrun a Grizzly Bear, I just have to outrun you. ' You tend to run further when the primary marketing campaign of the religion is that you should join so you don't burn in hell FOREVER.
The moral? IMO we're not going to make any converts from one side to the other but we can forget about the proselytizing and just help each other out without the added political, religious, or militaristic bullshit. Beyond that, I've seen people that were in very bad places with drugs, alcohol, whatever who were literally and in-fact saved by religion. I have a residual set of morals from an early church upbringing that are burned into my moral compass so I can't bad-mouth religion too badly. Well actually, I can but there are some redeeming qualities that should garner a bit of notice.
Short version? Woo-hoo, let's f*ck.
