This thread has the second lowest pics to posts ratio except some Honolulu mp thread. Its like. 02. Can't we see some g rated face slightly hidden pics? Please
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This thread has the second lowest pics to posts ratio except some Honolulu mp thread. Its like. 02. Can't we see some g rated face slightly hidden pics? Please
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1556944]However, I must admit that I am enamored at the idea of finding the true SB, of being her first SD. This for me is what makes the amount of work we must put in worthwhile. It's also the reason I am extremely picky of who I choose to play with. Keep up the good work guys.
WS[/QUOTE]This is what I live for. But in between there are lot of fun interviews with non repeaters. I love being the first sd, first white guy, first kinky sex, first multiple o, and on and on.
Chatted w / this 22 yrs Brunette for several days. We were both eager to meet. M&G turned into dinner date. I did ask her "did you read my profile?" She looked at me and said "yes". Had great time. Lot of touching and hugging. After dinner, she started asking me about "you married?". I said,"yes as mentioned in the profile. You knew this before coming out, correct?".
She was then telling me that she has a high moral standard, blah blah blah. Then, she said that I can't have sex with you, but I like you and want to see you more. As being a gentlemen (or gentle-dog) , I told her that this is mutual relationship and if she does not want, so be it. (said it in very polite way). I did express my disappointment that we should not even meet if she has such mortal issue. She told me that she really wants to see me.
I pretty much took her back to her car (with some chatting w / her. Blah blah blah) and drive out as fast as my engine can.
P. S: Sub-Cmdr gave me a lecture that such SB pot are "conflicted SB". There will be others like that. (thank you, Cmdr)
Dog is still in "Cadet" level.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1557548]This thread has the second lowest pics to posts ratio except some Honolulu mp thread. Its like. 02.[/QUOTE]I don't think that lack as in any way a shortcoming.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1557548]Can't we see some g rated face slightly hidden pics? Please[/QUOTE]Not to say some might be willing to do so, or have SBs that wouldn't mind the exposure, but in my own case, there's no fvcking way I'm posting a picture of my one and only sugar baby. I don't even have one on my phone. I've spent a long time with her, and doing that would, IMO, be a violation of the trust we've built up. I will [i]not [/i]disparage those who do post such, but my belief is that, for many potential sugar daddies, the hoped-for nature of a SB relationship pretty much precludes the posting of pictures on a public sex oriented web site.
Just my two cents.
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[QUOTE=Hsrams; 1556483]One story worth sharing, however, it a young AA girl that I met almost 6 months ago now. She was just 18 then (19 now) and told me she was taking some college courses but I always thought that was a little suspicious. She never talked about school and never answered questions about her courses, always just changing the subject when I asked her about it. When we first met, she was very shy, but did not hesitate to agree to the FC on only the second date. We met off and on about every 1-2 weeks for a couple of months. At first she would allow almost anything but full penetration was almost impossible. I don't think she was a virgin, but she was certainly unexperienced and tight in every way imaginable. She gave a good BBBJ, enjoyed DATY, and really liked deep FK and making out. I was pretty smitten by her youth and innocence for the first several times that we met.
Of course, the newness of it all wore off pretty fast and after a couple of months, she was more and more obvious about just wanting some cash and ending the date as soon as possible. She finally rushed me through so fast one night that I just said F__k it and decided not to see her again. I have given in a couple of times since then, but the performance has been marginal at best and she even told me once that she "didn't suck dick anymore and really didn't like DATY anyway". I used her as only a backup for a few more months, but she continues to txt me off and on trying to continue the sugar as long as possible. She finally moved out of her mothers house to a place of her own, and each txt message is getting more and more desperate, even though its been several months now since we have seen each other. At this point, I'm pretty sure she is completely on her own. 19 years old, no means of support, and no school ambitions whatsoever. She texted me recently with this message:
"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."
I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.
Keep up all of the great posts. It's the first thing I read each morning.[/QUOTE]Obviously, if you're not getting what you want out of a relationship, then it's pointless to pursue it. However, I kinda of agree with SubCmdr on this one. If her hunger makes her willing to go back to the way it was, were it me, I might give her another shot, even telling her up straight up that you really liked the way it was when you first met, and the reason you stopped seeing her was because she stopped doing the things you like and that she apparently stopped having fun, and that that's not the type of relationship you want.
Before I met the girl I'm seeing now, I spent a lot of years chasing strippers, and still do sometimes, albeit with much less frequency, and what your girl has done here sounds like what every money hungry stripper does, suck you in (sometimes literally) with high performance, and then drop off as long as the sugar keeps coming. When the sugar falls off, one of two things happens. Either she drops you like a hot potato and moves on to the next PL, or she ramps it up again. The girls who do the latter can sometimes be worth it.
Of course, if she's now lying about having lied about not liking that stuff, and is just going through the motions to get your money, it might [i]not [/i]be worth it, but that's something you have to judge for yourself.
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[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1555576]"Why can't you? Do you have a wife at home?"
She apparently had not carefully read my SA profile, which clearly says "married, but looking." She was visibly disappointed, and it was suddenly very chilly in the car. I see no point in lying to babies about this, and it would be hard to keep up the charade anyway. She politely thanked me for dinner and was on her way.
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What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=John G Smith;1556242]Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married/attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.[/QUOTE]I agree completely with being upfront about being married. In my dealings with strippers and other providers, I've never been shy about answering "yes" to the question of whether I'm married, and probably for much the same reasons, it gets it out of the way, and I don't like lying. And for any who might consider that statement hypocritical, I can only advise you to check your premises and preconceptions.
My SB knew shortly after we met, and long before we started anything sexual, that I was married, and happily so. It's actually one of the reasons she considers me "safe", because there's no danger of me leaving my wife and showing up on her doorstep. She doesn't want me for a boyfriend (even the one she has, she never calls "boyfriend") and I'm completely uninterested in an emotional relationship of the type I have with my wife. I personally think that's why it's lasted so long. Neither of us wants anything from each other except for exactly what we're getting.
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The irony is in re: these Babies who have moral qualms about sleeping with a Daddy who is married don't have any problem fucking the unmarried ones for money. Go figure? This is truly selective morality.
"Selective Morality". Yes. My last night SB did say,"sometimes I don't give a fuck about my moral level"."but I can't have sex w / married men". WTF.
[QUOTE=Hernando;1557807]The irony is in re: these Babies who have moral qualms about sleeping with a Daddy who is married don't have any problem fucking the unmarried ones for money. Go figure? This is truly selective morality.[/QUOTE]
I firmly believe that most of the babies who balk at married daddies while happily sleeping with unmarried ones (and I've known married women who fall into that category too) do so because what they're *really* looking for is a white knight, not a benefactor. If you're looking to be a white knight, that's fine... but if all you want is to have an open-ended casual connection, such "damsels in distress" end up being more trouble than they're worth.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1556242]Timely post. I actually planned to talk about this very subject.
On my SA profile I clearly state I'm married and within the actual text of the profile I mention it again and that I'm looking for a "discreet" relationship. This definitely cuts down on the responses I receive. Some SBs have a problem with it morally or they're worried about the possible drama, which might come their way. Also I've noticed Asian SBs tend to be more reluctant to see married men than most in my experience.
Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married / attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.
That said, I am running an experiment on SD4Me. I'm saying I'm divorced on my profile to hopefully improve the initial response rate and to avoid the marriage predators. Then once I begin discussions, I mention I'm in the "process" of getting divorced so things aren't finalized and I still need to be somewhat discreet.
The downside to disclosing you're married is that it opens you up to blackmail by psychos. After my recent psycho experience earlier this month, I'm trying to figure out if there is a different approach to handling this. A way to explain the need for discretion while also avoiding SBs thinking they have the "I'm going to tell your wife!" card in their back pocket.
Tricky stuff.[/QUOTE]I've noticed the same regarding some Asian SB's having a reluctance to go out with married guys. Mostly Koreans and those from the Phillipines in my experience. My SB for the last seven months is a Korean sophmore attending a University in my city. She has a few other friends besides me. She tells me that she sees only unmarried guys, either single or divorced. I have been married more than once. With out lying I let her know that I was married in the past. I say what is the difference if one is or is not married. The SB is getting the $, gifts, and bills paid that she wants. She has absolutely no intention of ever going out with me other than as a SB. I do not know her friends, etc. She doesn't know mine. She is not looking for companionship from me only Louis Vuitton bags etc. I get to have a 19 yr old to sleep with 2 or 3 times a week. We are both happy in our own way.
Gentlemen,
This whole "married or not" discussion goes back to my earlier observation that the Bowl allows us to be completely honest, upfront and unvarnished, which I for one find liberating and exciting. A married SD is not for every baby, and that's fine. Some mention it right in their texts, and so I do not even bother to contact them.
I wear a wedding ring all the time, in fact I'm not sure I could get it off at this point, so there's no use, even if I wanted to, for me to pretend otherwise.
I've met with a few babies who then decide, so they say, that they just can't get past it. True or not, I always reply that I appreciate their letting me know, as opposed to just vanishing, and wish them luck.
One of these has come back a month or so later and, after complimenting me on the politeness of my response, wanted to give it another try. Ultimately, it did lead to some playtime, but in the end I just wasn't all that into her.
If you are married but keeping it hidden, maybe the short term babies will never know, or care, but if you happen to hit on a great, long-term situation, you'll have some 'splainin' to do, and it could just fuck the whole thing up.
This is, of course, my feeling on the matter. As has been pointed out, some babies prefer a married daddy, since we are "safe" and won't be looking to mess their lives up. Some, I believe, even find it a turn-on: they are getting something "forbidden". If only they knew, LOL!
Have a great weekend, my brothers. Still no news worth printing on this end, but the situation continues to look rosier and rosier.
Keep up the good work,
Scott
Gentlemen, and especially members of my local chapter,
I feel I need to post up this short message, alerting you that apparently I have been single-handedly pruning the Chicago tree of Baby deadwood. I have just had the most bizaare email exchange with a baby I met for the first time yesterday, and with whom by both accounts I had a wonderful coffee hour. A follow-up text from her re-iterated this, and closed with promises of more good times to come. I swear I am not making this up!
Today I got one of the chillier slap-downs I have ever received, totally unprovoked, in my mind, by anything I had said earlier. I hadn't even emailed or contacted her in any way since our meeting yesterday, and am greeted, in part, by sentences such as this," I am not the sort of person who can have that sort of connection with an older man, money involved or no." Ok, overlooking the repetition of the word "sort", why the fuck did you respond to me in the first place? Why did you send me 17 long emails telling me about your entire life up to now, closing with tender endearments? Why, at the base of it all, are you on SA? You're not going to meet your hubby here! We're called "daddies" and "babies" for a reason, get it?
I will spare you the additional bewildering emails from her, but suffice it to say that, by my count, since I rejoined SA three or so months ago, I have personally weeded out 6 psychos, or Conflicted Babies, who have cancelled their profiles after encountering me, sometimes only once, but not after dumping some crazy shit on me! It truly makes a man wonder what kind of world we live in. Do they think we will pay them just to hang out with us? I'm not that desperate ... yet! Thank God for Polo and Brit, and my Asheville nursery. Honestly!
Anyway, no real value here other than humor, I hope, except to say I feel more than ever we must love the pursuit as much as the prize. I find it ironic that I have this experience immediately after I post my thoughts below about honesty. I swear I am totally upfront about my situation, what I'm looking for, what I am willing to do, and what I expect in return, but in a very polite way! Maybe it has something to do with the economy?
Peace,
Scott
PS - I'm not a bad-looking guy, right Mandy?
Re: Pictures.
If I was dealing with semi-Pros or UTR girls I might be inclined to post pictures. But most of the babies I'm dealing with are just regular girls. Okay maybe I'm using the term "regular" a bit loosely, but many of them aren't hiding their real identities or facebook profiles and they're not trying to make a business of out of this. They're basically girls who have regular lives that they are willing to suppress some of their morals to have an older guy make things easier for them. But they're not living out of hotels, posting CL / BP ads, or seeing dozens of "clients" UTR. Just as I expect my SB to be discreet with any information they know about me, I'm going to respect their privacy and I'm not going to post their picture (even with their face blurred) on a public sex site. IMO, it's a violation of the discretion part of the agreement.
Also another reason is that I don't want to risk exposing myself either. Many of us (and the lurkers who read this forum) fish from the same sugar baby ponds. If I post a picture of a SB, someone else could still recognize her, contact her, and point them to this topic. All of a sudden my forum postings here could be linked to my real world. You risk your anonymity by posting pics of SBs who frequent sugar daddy sites. For us married guys, we have to be a bit more cautious than you single SDs. Especially since in this particular topic, we post A LOT of details about our various escapades. I think it's best for most of us to leave a little ambiguity by keeping our posts literary driven. As it is, we use nick / code names for our SBs in this topic, unlike the LA Non-Pro topics, which post real names.
I obviously enjoy looking at the pics in the other Non-Pro topics, but I'm perfectly fine with this topic not having pictures. This topic is more story driven, than picture driven. And I think it fits the SD / SB lifestyle.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1558324]Re: Pictures.
If I was dealing with semi-Pros or UTR girls I might be inclined to post pictures. But most of the babies I'm dealing with are just regular girls.
For us married guys, we have to be a bit more cautious than you single SDs.
I obviously enjoy looking at the pics in the other Non-Pro topics, but I'm perfectly fine with this topic not having pictures. This topic is more story driven, than picture driven. And I think it fits the SD / SB lifestyle.[/QUOTE]I am starting to appreciate the theme on this thread. And thanks for the insight.
While I have done a lot of sd. Ing. I also do a lot of utr girls. And of course I am not in your area. And yes I am single. So observing what other people do and stirring the pot once in a while is the only way for me to learn anything. Thanks again.
I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.
What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?
Let's see. The Forum has taken an interesting turn of late.
I've read:
A post disparaging those who make 'notching' posts.
A post that says: I pay women to fuck me; I'm honest; I prefer not to lie; and I am married.
A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement. Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.
Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?
I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?
I read some very practical reasons why photos are not posted in this Forum. But I've also read some outrageous ones that border on complete delusion. Like the posts proclaiming the higher nature of the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship. Posts that show concern for the poor sugar baby that might be outed someday. (Ask Hernando if not posting a picture helped with that). Concern that we might loose access to some pussy that we are paying for. LOL I cannot even keep a straight face while I write this. And find myself rolling on the floor laughing when I read such things.
Am I missing something here? As they say in talk radio: 'I'll take my answer off the air'
SubCmdr out!
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1558384]I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.
What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?[/QUOTE]Not a damn thing. While I personally prefer stories that are more than just chest thumping, I also recognize that there is an element of that in almost all of the posts here, including my own, and that not everyone feels the way I do. Since I get to choose what I read and don't read, just like everyone else, I don't see any problem.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558384]A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement.[/QUOTE]Well, to be fair, I only stated that it would be a violation of [b]my [/b]arrangement, and that I thought others might feel the same way. For those who don't feel that way or who have babies who don't mind, I'm certainly not going to suggest that such pictures should be forbidden or anything like that.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558384]Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.[/QUOTE]As to this, I can only advise, again, that you check your premises.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1558384]Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?[/QUOTE]Well, personally, I see nothing wrong with wanting, and taking reasonable precautions, to preserve a relationship where I get some of the best pussy I've ever had, from a girl who enjoys it (or fakes it [i]really [/i]well) and doesn't want much from me aside from some financial help. Sure, it's going to end some day, but until that day comes, I'm going to do my best to not piss her off by posting a picture in a public place, pronouncing that she's my "personal ho". True as it may be, I see no good coming from it aside from the titillation of people whose good opinions mean much less to me than hers. That last isn't intended to be an insult, just a statement of fact.
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" babies prefer a married daddy, since we are "safe" and won't be looking to mess their real lives up " ala F Scott.
Each sb and sd has our own needs and rationalizes them in a way that preserves our sanity and dignity. My SB did not want a guy who could interfere with her real life. She made it clear when the shit hit the fan that I was not EVER going to be introduced to Mom, Dad, Sisters, or friends. Therefore I knew my place in her life. On the other hand, she made me feel like the only man in her world and that was good enough for me. She in fact, was THE perfect SB. When the double dose of shit hit the fan and she was outed to her family and work associates then she tossed me aside like yesterday's chopped liver. So it sure busted my bubble of hope that she really could be an IRL girlfriend. NOT!
" I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?" ala Subcmdr
Yes! I have always maintained that this pursuit is prostitution no matter how you want to color it. Perhaps it is a kinder and gentler version. But it is what it is and we all have to live with that. Particularly the young girls who try to deny that fact while taking our money and our semen (ouch! That was harsh wasn't it?).
I am single. I always have a few regular girls and I make sure that they all know about each other. And also that I will hook-up with a few random girls a month as well. This have a pseudo type marriage of sorts. I tell the girls I am married. To my job and my hobby. That I am a girl addict. Nothing they do or say is going to change that. So what kind of girl would be willing to join in this type of relationship?
1. The curious.
2. The ones that think they can change me.
3. The ones that like that I have proven my ability to support multiple women.
4. The ones that think I am a stud.
5. The ones that don't want someone too clingy.
6. The ones that are grateful for any decent guys attention.
7. The ones that want to learn to be utr, pros or sugar babbies.
I do not search out any BP or known pro girls. But some non-pro girls do eventually advance their careers so to speak.
I do not see being married in the traditional sense as being a problem to having a good sb relationship. Some girls will pass on that for sure. And there are ones that will pass on you if you are not married. I always say you can't be everything to everyone. So why try. And this is why I am not married. As a husband I was very demanding. Expecting my wife to provide everything in every way. This is not a reasonable expectation. With a wife and a sugar baby or having multiple sugar babies I can divide the expectations between them. I believe that there are women that feel the same way, want the same thing or are at least willing to compromise the dream of the knight in shining armor to get a piece of the pie.
Kinda rambling but hopefully I made a point or two. In the 20 years I was married I was always honest with whoever I was cheating with about my marital status.
After having spoken to many girls about this topic and other sensitive issues. Almost universally they tell me they appreciate me being upfront with the info so they can make an intelligent decision about what they want out of the relationship and with out the bullshit or uncertainty. Women are pretty good bs detectors when it comes to other girls, relationships or any kind of lying in matters of the heart.
I am not judging anyone. I am not attacking anyone. I just expressed an opinion and I'm just trying to understand. I asked a question. Others have answered it. I appreciate that. And don't get me wrong. I LOVE this fucking forum. (pun intended) It has opened my eyes to an entire world of pussy I did not even know existed.
Ok, I think I get it. Lying to the wife protects the original arrangement. Keeping the explicit or implicit agreement to all others allows you to continue to drill deep in all of the holes of your personal ho. Yes, take care of you first. Makes sense to me. I can't hate on you for that. I really don't give a damn if anyone posts pictures or not. I'm not going to post any pictures here because the unstated culture of this particular forum frowns upon it.
I work for the government. When you take that dollar out of my pocket without my permission. Don't tell me you 'misappropriated my funds'. No mother fucker 'you just stole from me! 'My point is there is no reason to claim that pursuit of the babies is a higher calling than picking up street meat. I'm saying simply call a garden tool a garden tool. It does not matter if you buy it at Home Depot or Tiffany's or what fancy name you choose to call it. It is still a garden tool and you will still use it to dig in the dirt.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1558543]"
Yes! I have always maintained that this pursuit is prostitution no matter how you want to color it. Perhaps it is a kinder and gentler version. But it is what it is and we all have to live with that. Particularly the young girls who try to deny that fact while taking our money and our semen (ouch! That was harsh wasn't it?).[/QUOTE]Just give to me straight no chase. Look me straight in my face and just tell it like it is!
SubCmdr out
A recent experience I had seems worth mentioning in the context of recent posts. I have still been communicating with my first SB, and still my favorite, who moved out of state (about 150 miles away) for grad school. We had seen each other once since then, when she was home for a family wedding, and were making plans last Friday to see each other again. She had never asked for a specific amount of money for our meetings, in fact had never asked about money at all. That is one of the reasons I liked her (and was more generous with her than with others). She had told me I was her first, and still only, SD (truth? Lie? Who knows).
In planning her visit, I told her I'd give her my usual gift plus an extra $ for gas money since she was making the trip specifically to see me (if I was making the trip in my V8 pickup, I'd probably spend about. 8 in gas round trip). She texted back with "how about $$?" After 10 minutes of silence from my end, she added "times are tough."
I texted back to ask whether she thought I wasn't generous enough, and she texted "I need the usual plus $$ to come down."
Another 30 minutes of silence on my end brought "don't you think I'm worth it?" Based on the exchange to that point, I was already considering burning that bridge. After that response, I made the decision. My answer to her: "Sugar Babies accept gifts, prostitutes set prices. Before you text me back, you need to decide which you are."
Needless to say, I haven't heard back from her. I don't expect to.
Sometimes, you have to dismiss a patient. It's a regrettable, but necessary, part of practicing in this specialty.
Dr. Feelgood
What's ironic is that on another forum on this site, I've been in a debate trying to encourage more members to post intel / info on Pros who advertise in BP / CL. And I'm getting yelled at for not being secretive enough. LOL.
Anyway, I have no hard feelings here. I enjoy a healthy debate / argument. It's nice to see other perspectives even if I don't agree with them and they don't agree with me. Can always learn something.
Anyway a few things and I'm just speaking for myself. Don't take my comments as representing this forum, they just represent me.
I've always been a shades of grey type of person rather than seeing things in black and white. For example, I don't see every type of girl in this lifestyle as a singular type of garden tool to dig in the dirt. Mainly because I'm not always looking to dig holes. Sometimes I want to do a bit of sanding, so a garden hoe would be inadequate for the job.
To take it to the real world, when I'm looking for a quality sugar baby I'm not simply looking for a young lady to drill for cheap. That can be accomplished easy enough through BP. I'm not looking to get e-involved, but I am looking to have somewhat of a friendship connection and to have someone who I can chat / txt with regularly beyond the FC. I'm looking for something of a traditional "mistress". That's my personal reasons for chasing sugar babies.
Look I know a sugar baby is ultimately there for my money and I'm ultimately there for her body. But unlike with an escort, I may know some of her personal info and what she's going through and etc. And she has some level of respect for me even if there's little attraction. A BP / CL garden tool doesn't need to respect you for shit. You could weigh 300 pounds and work as a sign twirler and she'll still bang you for 15 min if you got 80 bucks. Most sugar babies aren't hardened to that point yet and still have some gag reflexes.
Heck, just recently I had 3 sugar babies reject me because of my looks. I had financial details all arranged perfectly and we were good to go. But I delayed on sending my picture so when I did send it, I got flat out rejected and never heard from them again. My money was good enough for them, but apparently my face or race wasn't. (And I'm not a bad looking guy!)
Granted some sugar babies are less picky, just want to do the deed, and get paid. Those do fall into the garden tool variety. I sometimes have a couple of those girls on the side, but that's not primarily what I'm looking for with sugar babies. Remember I gave my ISBE rating system a few weeks ago. Everyone's ISBE will be a little different.
I don't think any one type is better than another. It just depends on what you're looking for. There's no "higher" calling. Just a "different" calling. Though I always got the vibe that this particular sub-forum is generally composed of guys who are looking for more mid / long term sugar baby relationships, not random hookups. So if you're looking for longer term arrangements, of course you're going to be more careful about posting pics and such because there's just an inherent personal connection when you see someone regularly for at least several months.
As for the lying / honesty discussion, most of us here are all hypocrites to a degree. But again, I'm a shades of gray person. Just because I ended up lying in one situation, doesn't mean I'm branded a liar for all time and obligated to lie / disrespect others until my dying days. Sometimes I'm a gentlemen, sometimes I'm an asshole. I strive to be the former more often than not, but hey shit happens. On the whole though, I try to treat everyone with respect.
Wow I have been busy with wordly pleasures and not been able to dive into the personal journals here. Is it election time or so that we have to discuss morals, posting or not posting pictures.
Gee I thought that the fact that I reached the point where I can have my play mate (aka a sugar baby, or personable ho, or affair or space craft or vessel. Who cares) reach a climax by just talking to her. By taking her on the journey, with just holding her hand and getting her into warp speed with just words and whispers and then to climax is just a show how much a play mate can be into you.
Hope you all enjoyed your last days as much as I did, and yes my long and short range sensors are overloaded with incoming space craft, any local traffic controllers who can take some load of me?
I have been "swimming" inside the sugar bowl for a week now, and would like to share some of my personal opinion:
- Thanks for this thread and many of you's great advices.
- Most of the pots (95%+) are expecting escort's treatment or higher especially w / sugar amount (excluding GPS)
- Most of the pots do not give a "fu? K" about chemistry, and SB / SD relationship. Pretty much Prostitution mindset.
- Lot of time, but not much return. (Experience is part of the fun)
- If I see a Nando#1 especially without job, I should just run and don't look back.
Given that I refuse to pay escort amount and rules (e. G, time on a date) [Thanks for the advices from Cmdr], I am just not getting much luck. Anyway, going to slow down on the search and hybrid back into escort world for a while.
Just my personal opinion. If you don't agree, I am happy to hear it but please don't stab me.
Fellow brothers-in-pussy,
I'd be interested in a market survey of the local costs for SB's in each area. I don't know if that would be too revealing from a privacy stand point? Or if it would be considered a invasion of privacy of the SB / SD relationship? But I'm curious.
If you are hammer, every problem is a nail. And if you are a gun, every problem is a target. I'm a market guy and I see the sugar world as a transactional sex market. And if it is a market then there are bid and ask prices. And there are certain market factors in each geographical area that are going to effect these bid and ask prices. Also, each SD and SB chooses the a market segment they wish to operate within. Is my view of this world a over simplification?
I know that I offer very low sugar amounts. My philosophy is that if you are not a professional, then you are not going to get paid like one. If you are a true non-pro then you should be simply getting a gift for something you give away for free in your personal life. As such, I look at escort prices and set my sugar amounts accordingly.
In fact, I had a SB tell me,"My girlfriend who is on this site says she gets 1K a meet. Your offer is less than what BP girls get." Wow! Go be a BP girl! Who pays 1K a meeting for pussy? Really? Pussy that you are not married to? Is pussy really worth that much? Even if I had that kind of money (which I don't) I don't see myself giving it up for some pussy.
Exactly what is GPS? Is there a SB market? Or is there just pussy you can afford and pussy that you cannot?
SubCmdr out
These type of discussions entertain me. I have my own demons and privacy, Sig Other reasons that I keep a low profile with the girls I talk to. I play on BP, the streets here are full of quality garden tools that will blow and swallow for $30. However, The sugar bowl is much more interesting to me. Finding that first time SB is a reward that trumps the random one night stands of yester year.
You guys certainly keep me coming back for more.
WS out.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1558384]I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.
What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?
Let's see. The Forum has taken an interesting turn of late.
I've read:
A post disparaging those who make 'notching' posts.
A post that says: I pay women to fuck me; I'm honest; I prefer not to lie; and I am married.
A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement. Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.
Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?
I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?
I read some very practical reasons why photos are not posted in this Forum. But I've also read some outrageous ones that border on complete delusion. Like the posts proclaiming the higher nature of the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship. Posts that show concern for the poor sugar baby that might be outed someday. (Ask Hernando if not posting a picture helped with that). Concern that we might loose access to some pussy that we are paying for. LOL I cannot even keep a straight face while I write this. And find myself rolling on the floor laughing when I read such things.
Am I missing something here? As they say in talk radio: 'I'll take my answer off the air'
SubCmdr out![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1559663]Fellow brothers-in-pussy,
I'd be interested in a market survey of the local costs for SB's in each area. I don't know if that would be too revealing from a privacy stand point? Or if it would be considered a invasion of privacy of the SB / SD relationship? But I'm curious.
Exactly what is GPS? Is there a SB market? Or is there just pussy you can afford and pussy that you cannot?
SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]I have had a few meet & greet where it turned out to be GPS, like the one who expected $15, 000 to go gambling, which was a sure triple your $, to the one who sent me an intro email, with typos and grammar expecting $10, 000 / mo for 1- 2 meets / week depending on her schedule.
There were the shorter terms ones, which lasted a few times at $ to $$/visit.
There were the divorced ones who during the M&G pretty much jump the command center and begged to have more tours but they really drained the warp drive, so I used a different star route to navigate to other worlds.
Then there were the ones who were long term, who varied from $/month to even less, and this for frequent meetings.
I feel that once you get rid of the GPS vessels, the ones who are compatible with your warp engine rarely ask for anything more than a friendly hail, a subspace message, a quick trip to the replicator for food and some energy tapped from the warp core, and they last for many many months.
Onwards to explore new worlds. Warp 4
Although I'm not actively "looking" right now, I like to fire up the SA account when I'm bored to see what's new. Found a sexy looking 20-something and added her to my favorites for contact at a later time. As is sometimes the case, she was online and received notification of my action, and she sent me an e-mail through the site with her phone number. I sent her a text, not quite knowing what to expect.
I wasn't expecting anything because I wasn't looking for anything. But she clearly wanted to meet ASAP. She suggested a hotel and asked if I liked toys. When the discussion turned to how "generous" I was, I knew I was dealing with a garden tool with Internet access. Although I had no intention of meeting her at that point, I decided to see just how far she would push it.
Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel. The conversation was a little schizophrenic, but I think she was asking me to load money on a prepaid debit card for her so she could buy gas to drive to my area. I never do this for anyone, let alone anyone I've never met. I suggested we pick another time when she doesn't need money up front. I wasn't surprised when I didn't hear back from her.
Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.
Stay safe,
Joe
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1560299]Although I'm not actively "looking" right now,
Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel.
Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.
Stay safe,
Joe[/QUOTE]It is always fun to get a request for gas $. Luckily I have my trusted starship onboard computer to calculate how much $ they need for a certain trip, and when my computer tells me that a mere 5 gallons should get them to my planets location, yet they ask for a 50 gallon transfer of currency, it is safe to say steer 180 degree, warp speed 5. The other point which this indicates, if they really need gas $, they are on there last dime and the next request will be. $ for cell phones. $ for rent which is 2 months late. Through the years I found out that the long term ones are the ones who don't ask for anything. But yes it teas sometimes 4. 6 months of galaxy exploration. Meeting many short term landings. BUT it is the long term ones whom make the travel worth it.
Engage
I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.
FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.
She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her. With the territory came a new set of income and expense needs including being 6 hours, 300 miles round trip from home. At some point she returned home to attend a family wedding. They played and he gave her the usual.
The amount of "the usual" was not disclosed.
There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."
This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.
[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;1558898]Sugar Babies accept gifts, prostitutes set prices. Before you text me back, you need to decide which you are.[/QUOTE]A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.
[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1560583]A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.[/QUOTE]A sugar baby would have asked for her expenses for travel to be covered. A garden tool wants to be paid to travel. FeelGoodMD's sugar baby decided to renegotiate the arrangement effectively requesting a increase in sugar amount above and beyond her travel costs. She was the one engaged in intellectual dishonestly. And in the end decided what she really was and what was really important to her.
The good Dr simply gave to her straight no chase. Looked her straight in her face and just told her like is!
SubCmdr Out.
P. S. Don't hate the player hate the game. Our greater society has written the rules, not me.
OK SubCmdr, here's the rate in all but nova area of Va. Escorts charge $200-400 / hr, excluding the GPS Pros. (remember Gov Spitzer at $5000 / hr ). CL and BP girls break it down by 15 minute segments and can charge $50- 150 / session (< hour ). SWs charge $20-50 per blow or quick in and out (so to speak ). The sky is the limit with GPS girls who think their pussy is different from every one else's. We all know that they are pretty much the same. The difference lies in the emotional desires that the SD has in order to get a certain level of attention and personality they are looking for. My SB I totally adored and treated me like a king only asked for $300 / session, which was usually 12 hours at least. I was able to see her twice / week so she banked a serious amount of money from the repeat visits. So she was smart in not being greedy and made a lot more than a GPS who struggled to land a sucker for the big score occasionally. A prior SB was a Nando 1 and got $100 / overnight, but the service was not nearly as reliable or satisfying. Anyone charging by the hour is an out and escort and should be looked at as such. A true SB in my opinion should expect a flat fee for an extended relationship.
[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1560583]A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.
Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.[/QUOTE]I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.
That my man is intellectual honesty!
SubCmdr out!
A couple of months ago, I posted that I sent this pot SB some money to move out of a bad situation even though I had never met her. It was a gamble but she was a cute petite little thing and clearly was new at this. Well a couple of weeks after I sent her the money, she just dropped out of contact completely. She stopped responding to txts and emails altogether.
I pretty much wrote off the money I sent her as a loss, but I noticed her profile appeared again on the SA sites, so I decided to send one more email. A wrote a pretty strong email to make her feel a little guilty about disappearing but I was careful not to be too bitter / angry so I wouldn't completely burn the bridge. This time she finally responded and was extremely apologetic. Furthermore she said she was ready to finally meet and start the arrangement (I wasn't asking for this in my email).
I'm obviously cautious but she offered to send some naughty pics / vids of her to convince me she's ready.
If I were to guess, I think she had a sugar daddy or two when she was off the radar. She seems much more comfortable with "putting out" in a SD / SB relationship.
So we'll see how the next week goes, but if it goes well I may bring her in to the stable. She has the body type I like and doesn't live too far away. I'll call her "Petite SB."
And as for the "6/6 SB", I never bothered to get tested (honestly I just didn't have the time). But this week she dropped that requirement and we can get down with covers without me having to take a test. I guess she finally got desperate since I basically refused to see her until that was sorted out. Still, she lives farther away than I like, so we'll see.
Assuming Petite SB isn't trying to scam me again, I might move her to my number one slot. The lesson here is that you never know when the Future's Market can pay off. Just because it doesn't pay off right away, don't burn the bridges. Give yourself the flexibility to keep sending feelers for at least 6 months down the line.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1560629]I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.
That my man is intellectual honesty!
SubCmdr out![/QUOTE]Not exactly. SubCmdr's girl is being totally honest how things will transpire. Good that SubCmdr is told upfront he will be paying for the flight and some other guy will likely pork her while she is in country and he (the other guy) won't be contributing to the cost of the flight. That's honesty. That's not intellectual honesty. Intellectual honesty is all about problem solving.
Consider problem solving in a way that balances all possible solutions. The solution chosen is the best solution using unbiased logic. The deck is not stacked in the thought process that favors one solution over another in other words. An unbiased process is being intellectually honest. Or so I think.
Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)
Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.
That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1561995]Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)
Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger;1562138]That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.[/QUOTE]YES I agree. Most of his posts are like that, I did made a comment once, but then he seems oblivious and just wants to show all here how good he is.
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger;1562138]That sounds like a fun time and all, but it still sounds a whole lot like bragging. Not much useful information there at all.[/QUOTE]Disagree / Nothing out of line here from HG. This arrangement certainly wouldn't be for everybody but it is certainly SB related and an oddity at that. Enjoyed the read and certainly others will too.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1561995]Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.[/QUOTE]You must be a freakin daredevil HG. You enjoy high-speed chases and you've got one here that appears to be taking corners at very high speeds. How long has this been going on, and more importantly, how long do you think that it can continue before one of them goes off-point BIG time? Just curious. But more power to ya HG and enjoy each and every minute of it. Seems like the only thing that you are missing here is incorporating a 3way; except the risk there might be that they fall for one another and cut ole HG out. All the best in your endeavor here.
Yeah HG's post was fine. Honestly anytime any of us reports on a good encounter with a SB it could be considered bragging, so I don't think it's a big deal. Not every report has to be a sob / horror story. We're all in different situations so we may have different experiences with our good encounters.
Anyway, I've always dreamed about having a SB work for me but it just seems waay to risky for me to ever give it serious consideration. I don't like the idea of my sugar life bleeding into my work life if something went wrong. And HG even though you're single, you still have to worry about the possibility of a sexual harassment charge down the line if she turns bitter. So be careful!
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1561995]Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.
I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)
Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.[/QUOTE]I did enjoy the read but at the same time was thinking I'm glad its not me, Let us know when the "shit hits the fan" Not if but when.
Thanks