The Prickyard

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3451683]A lot of this carries over to the webcam world, although I only deal with group 2 and 3. The group 1 addicts are usually providing on the side for the immediate cash and parttiming on cam to support a pimp manager.

Currently I'm working with:

A veterinarian.

An engineer.

A dentist.

A lawyer.

The lawyer was a surprise. I was asked to help write a bio for her yesterday. A lawyer? You've got to be joking. I've also met a lawyer who put herself through school as a webcam model. Now she works for the same people as I do.[/QUOTE]Surprised the hell out of me if it is true.

[URL]http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-celebrities-who-were-escorts-before-becoming-famous/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3451525]Looks like your experiences have swayed you in the past few months. Sorry for your loss. I appreciate your opinion, but disagree with the analogy. There is noting wrong with being a skank whether it's a female or a male, but not [B]ALL[/B] of the fucking chicks are selling pussy because of the reasons you describe. You should know this better than anyone as long as you have been around. They sell pussy for three main reasons.

1. Active addiction. Whether it's a pharmacy addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, shopping addiction, or any other active addiction that they no longer can control. All you have to do is follow the money and put the pieces of the puzzle together. This category is where 90%+ of the BP ads are generated from and many of the UTR's. Especially the ones you have intel on.

2. Standard of Living. They may have another career or a struggling career and selling pussy helps them to maintain a standard of living that they have become accustomed to. Some have SO's some don't. None of the ones in this category are in active addiction. They sell pussy to live by the means that they have become familiar. Many of them choose selling their pussy verses getting a second job because they love sex. I know of several that are in this category.

3. Love Sex. There are those that do it because they plain and simply like sex and the company of men. Some don't necessarily need the money, but if selling their pussy provides them with a decent life, so be it. They enjoy the sex and company of men more than any other educated chosen profession. They have no active addiction and they may or may not have SO's. I know of a few in this category.

Here is a question for you or anyone on the board. Just for a minute assume a provider has a outstanding career, decides that career is not for them. Loves sex and doesn't want any type of committed relationship, for whatever reason. Discovers that the opposite sex finds them very attractive, intelligent, emotionally stable, can distinguish the difference between love and sex, understands commitment, extremely good company, fun, outgoing, honest, no active addiction, no SO's, and very good between the sheets. This person likes getting naked, loves oral, enjoys greek, excellent DFK, sensual, erotic, PSE when the opportunity presents itself, and willing to try new things in bed, out of bed, in public, etc. Can you envision this provider, can you see them in your mind?

Now imagine this provider is selling their services only to women and is a man!

Interesting how many of you would look at this as a career choice or second profession if the tables were turned and women paid for sex as much as men do. Something to consider, huh Bob?[/QUOTE]You're making want to nail a 2 or a 3 and I'm not even black out drunk!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3451525]Looks like your experiences have swayed you in the past few months. Sorry for your loss. I appreciate your opinion, but disagree with the analogy. There is noting wrong with being a skank whether it's a female or a male, but not [B]ALL[/B] of the fucking chicks are selling pussy because of the reasons you describe. You should know this better than anyone as long as you have been around. They sell pussy for three main reasons.

1. Active addiction. Whether it's a pharmacy addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, shopping addiction, or any other active addiction that they no longer can control. All you have to do is follow the money and put the pieces of the puzzle together. This category is where 90%+ of the BP ads are generated from and many of the UTR's. Especially the ones you have intel on.

2. Standard of Living. They may have another career or a struggling career and selling pussy helps them to maintain a standard of living that they have become accustomed to. Some have SO's some don't. None of the ones in this category are in active addiction. They sell pussy to live by the means that they have become familiar. Many of them choose selling their pussy verses getting a second job because they love sex. I know of several that are in this category.

3. Love Sex. There are those that do it because they plain and simply like sex and the company of men. Some don't necessarily need the money, but if selling their pussy provides them with a decent life, so be it. They enjoy the sex and company of men more than any other educated chosen profession. They have no active addiction and they may or may not have SO's. I know of a few in this category.

Here is a question for you or anyone on the board. Just for a minute assume a provider has a outstanding career, decides that career is not for them. Loves sex and doesn't want any type of committed relationship, for whatever reason. Discovers that the opposite sex finds them very attractive, intelligent, emotionally stable, can distinguish the difference between love and sex, understands commitment, extremely good company, fun, outgoing, honest, no active addiction, no SO's, and very good between the sheets. This person likes getting naked, loves oral, enjoys greek, excellent DFK, sensual, erotic, PSE when the opportunity presents itself, and willing to try new things in bed, out of bed, in public, etc. Can you envision this provider, can you see them in your mind?

Now imagine this provider is selling their services only to women and is a man!

Interesting how many of you would look at this as a career choice or second profession if the tables were turned and women paid for sex as much as men do. Something to consider, huh Bob?[/QUOTE]The main reason pussy or anything is sold is because of the demand. If everyone was happy at home, didn't need variety, or could obtain pussy without paying for it then it wouldn't be a hot commodity. Your #1 group sells pussy because of the demand and its easier than stealing or robbing. Jail time is much less for selling pusy and because of the DEMAND its easier. Because of demand your catagories exist.

You sure know a lot about pussy, if you ever fall down and bust your head, little freckled pussies would roll out!

BG,

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3451525]Looks like your experiences have swayed you in the past few months. Sorry for your loss. I appreciate your opinion, but disagree with the analogy. There is noting wrong with being a skank whether it's a female or a male, but not [B]ALL[/B] of the fucking chicks are selling pussy because of the reasons you describe. You should know this better than anyone as long as you have been around. They sell pussy for three main reasons.

1. Active addiction. Whether it's a pharmacy addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, shopping addiction, or any other active addiction that they no longer can control. All you have to do is follow the money and put the pieces of the puzzle together. This category is where 90%+ of the BP ads are generated from and many of the UTR's. Especially the ones you have intel on.

2. Standard of Living. They may have another career or a struggling career and selling pussy helps them to maintain a standard of living that they have become accustomed to. Some have SO's some don't. None of the ones in this category are in active addiction. They sell pussy to live by the means that they have become familiar. Many of them choose selling their pussy verses getting a second job because they love sex. I know of several that are in this category.

3. Love Sex. There are those that do it because they plain and simply like sex and the company of men. Some don't necessarily need the money, but if selling their pussy provides them with a decent life, so be it. They enjoy the sex and company of men more than any other educated chosen profession. They have no active addiction and they may or may not have SO's. I know of a few in this category.

Here is a question for you or anyone on the board. Just for a minute assume a provider has a outstanding career, decides that career is not for them. Loves sex and doesn't want any type of committed relationship, for whatever reason. Discovers that the opposite sex finds them very attractive, intelligent, emotionally stable, can distinguish the difference between love and sex, understands commitment, extremely good company, fun, outgoing, honest, no active addiction, no SO's, and very good between the sheets. This person likes getting naked, loves oral, enjoys greek, excellent DFK, sensual, erotic, PSE when the opportunity presents itself, and willing to try new things in bed, out of bed, in public, etc. Can you envision this provider, can you see them in your mind?

Now imagine this provider is selling their services only to women and is a man!

Interesting how many of you would look at this as a career choice or second profession if the tables were turned and women paid for sex as much as men do. Something to consider, huh Bob?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3451525]Looks like your experiences have swayed you in the past few months. Sorry for your loss. I appreciate your opinion, but disagree with the analogy. There is noting wrong with being a skank whether it's a female or a male, but not [B]ALL[/B] of the fucking chicks are selling pussy because of the reasons you describe. You should know this better than anyone as long as you have been around. They sell pussy for three main reasons.

1. Active addiction. Whether it's a pharmacy addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, shopping addiction, or any other active addiction that they no longer can control. All you have to do is follow the money and put the pieces of the puzzle together. This category is where 90%+ of the BP ads are generated from and many of the UTR's. Especially the ones you have intel on.

2. Standard of Living. They may have another career or a struggling career and selling pussy helps them to maintain a standard of living that they have become accustomed to. Some have SO's some don't. None of the ones in this category are in active addiction. They sell pussy to live by the means that they have become familiar. Many of them choose selling their pussy verses getting a second job because they love sex. I know of several that are in this category.

3. Love Sex. There are those that do it because they plain and simply like sex and the company of men. Some don't necessarily need the money, but if selling their pussy provides them with a decent life, so be it. They enjoy the sex and company of men more than any other educated chosen profession. They have no active addiction and they may or may not have SO's. I know of a few in this category.

Here is a question for you or anyone on the board. Just for a minute assume a provider has a outstanding career, decides that career is not for them. Loves sex and doesn't want any type of committed relationship, for whatever reason. Discovers that the opposite sex finds them very attractive, intelligent, emotionally stable, can distinguish the difference between love and sex, understands commitment, extremely good company, fun, outgoing, honest, no active addiction, no SO's, and very good between the sheets. This person likes getting naked, loves oral, enjoys greek, excellent DFK, sensual, erotic, PSE when the opportunity presents itself, and willing to try new things in bed, out of bed, in public, etc. Can you envision this provider, can you see them in your mind?

Now imagine this provider is selling their services only to women and is a man!

Interesting how many of you would look at this as a career choice or second profession if the tables were turned and women paid for sex as much as men do. Something to consider, huh Bob?[/QUOTE]Glamorizing what I said.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3452219]The main reason pussy or anything is sold is because of the demand. If everyone was happy at home, didn't need variety, or could obtain pussy without paying for it then it wouldn't be a hot commodity. Your #1 group sells pussy because of the demand and its easier than stealing or robbing. Jail time is much less for selling pusy and because of the DEMAND its easier. Because of demand your catagories exist.[/QUOTE]I think your demand side analysis is pretty obvious and easy to figure out, Lol. It's the supply side that that I disagreed with Bob about. In regards to the demand side you are spot on because all three come into play. Some aren't happy with the pussy at home, some need variety even if the pussy at home is good, and pussy is a hot commodity, but how you pay for it becomes complicated and it's seldom free.

Women are a hell of a lot smarter than men when it comes to pussy. Almost all of them have GPS, it just comes down to the specifics of the value they put on it based on their needs. This can be emotional needs, monetary needs, material needs, addiction needs and even physical needs. I once dated a very hot freckled redhead who's physical need was erotic asphyxiation. She would do "Anything" for me as long as this was included in our daily sex life. A couple of months into the relationship I realized it wasn't my thing. She left me for someone who met her needs. That was the physical price on her pussy. At one end of this spectrum there are the wives that want certain things in life and you have to meet their needs to get their pussy. On the other end of the spectrum there are the BP active addicts who will sell it for their next fix. The intrinsic value varies widely based on the specific needs of the pussy you want to tap. Of course there are the women, who like my ex-wife, have no value on their pussy, because they are the queens of Antarctica and even climate change won't thaw out their pussy. Then there are the smart ones that love sex as much as men do and they realize that instead of giving it away free they can get paid for it. Some of these are in category 2 and always in category 3 on my list.

Supply and demand is on both sides of the sexes, whether it be pussy or dick. Dick demand is why gigolo's exist, among other reasons. The problem is the demand for free dick is not nearly enough to balance out the demand for free pussy. This is because the pussy is smarter than the dick, it knows it can get paid to get fucked, one way or another!

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3452415]Glamorizing what I said.[/QUOTE]You could get paid to fuck spinners with gaps you would do it! Just saying.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3453648]You could get paid to fuck spinners with gaps you would do it! Just saying.[/QUOTE]But I admittedly have issues.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3454527]But I admittedly have issues.[/QUOTE]We all have issues, Mine is I like to TPHFB!

BG,

P.S. Have fun, play safe, give and get respect, find some crazy-good and TPHFB!

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3454527]But I admittedly have issues.[/QUOTE]And so do I, but so does everyone else in the world in one way or another. So based on your analysis the entire human race is fucked up. If that's what you believe then so be it because you have every right to your opinion. Just saying that because a woman loves sex and sells her pussy doesn't mean she is equal to the others that have more serious issues like pimps, active addiction, lazy asshole SO's or are skanks by your definition. Liking sex and selling yourself for sex, whether you are a male or female doesn't necessarily make you fucked up, IMO.

So, I saw this ad on Backpage. It is posted in the wrong section, because it is a guy. I really don't care if this guy really thinks ladies want him, good for him. Just put it in the right section. AND he uses his number tied to his Facebook account!!

I was going to troll him myself, but I don't have the heart. Guess I am just not enough of a prick. Anyway, here is the ad-.

[URL]http://indianapolis.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/ladys-just-the-guy-for-you/26371228[/URL]

I don't wish any ill towards the guy, just do not want to see his post ever again. Maybe someone is messing with him anyway?

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3455147]And so do I, but so does everyone else in the world in one way or another. So based on your analysis the entire human race is fucked up. If that's what you believe then so be it because you have every right to your opinion. Just saying that because a woman loves sex and sells her pussy doesn't mean she is equal to the others that have more serious issues like pimps, active addiction, lazy asshole SO's or are skanks by your definition. Liking sex and selling yourself for sex, whether you are a male or female doesn't necessarily make you fucked up, IMO.[/QUOTE]Actually it does, it's derogatory for a reason. It turns one into an object losing value as a human and citizen. That being said objects should be treated accordingly to their degree of worth.

[QUOTE=XandirHunt;3460277]So, I saw this ad on Backpage. It is posted in the wrong section, because it is a guy. I really don't care if this guy really thinks ladies want him, good for him. Just put it in the right section. AND he uses his number tied to his Facebook account!!

I was going to troll him myself, but I don't have the heart. Guess I am just not enough of a prick. Anyway, here is the ad-.

[URL]http://indianapolis.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/ladys-just-the-guy-for-you/26371228[/URL]

I don't wish any ill towards the guy, just do not want to see his post ever again. Maybe someone is messing with him anyway?[/QUOTE]More than one is " ladies." Just saying. Someone had to post this to be vindictive. Surely you would think if he did post the Ad he would have more common sense to not use a number that is posted on his FB account and not use the pics from his FB account. Well maybe not since " ladys was spelled incorrectly. So never mind carry on LOL.

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460353]Actually it does, it's derogatory for a reason. It turns one into an object losing value as a human and citizen. That being said objects should be treated accordingly to their degree of worth.[/QUOTE]Then selling any product or service is derogatory. If you have food you should just give it to anyone who asks. If you have a skill, you should make it available freely, rather than sell it to the highest bidder. Isn't that what it boils down to?

The problem is that there will always be the strong and the weak, the greedy and the generous. You end up with slavery.

Why, out of all the services in the world is sex unique? Why is it the only action that has its own, completely unique set of rules? Why does a person who has worked hard to learn to provide pleasure, lose value for selling their skills, but a person who has worked to gain any other skill increase their value? Why is a person who hires a prostitute bad, but someone who hires a plumber is smart?

Let's ignore local laws for a moment, because my local laws are different from your local laws. Let's assume a vo-tech school, the institute of sex. At the school students are taught, in addition to sexual skills, health and physiology, how to recognize herpes and genital warts, disease prevention, basic economics, how to deal with impotence and premature ejaculation. Upon successful completion, followed by tests, the graduate receives a license. They list their occupation as sex worker, pay taxes, get regular checkups and have certain rules they must follow. Customers require an anonymous I'd, that is only connected to a sexual health record. To keep the I'd active they require regular testing.

Is the buying and selling of sex, still derogatory?

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3460637]Then selling any product or service is derogatory. If you have food you should just give it to anyone who asks. If you have a skill, you should make it available freely, rather than sell it to the highest bidder. Isn't that what it boils down to?[/QUOTE]No, selling your labor, skills, or thoughts and ideas is not the same as sex. Sex is different in that is not a skill or labor, but when one sells sex they themselves become the product.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3460637]The problem is that there will always be the strong and the weak, the greedy and the generous. You end up with slavery.

Why, out of all the services in the world is sex unique? Why is it the only action that has its own, completely unique set of rules? Why does a person who has worked hard to learn to provide pleasure, lose value for selling their skills, but a person who has worked to gain any other skill increase their value? Why is a person who hires a prostitute bad, but someone who hires a plumber is smart? [/QUOTE]See above comment, I never equated it as bad you did. Society sees it that way because it goes against the Christian value of adultery that this country has adopted.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3460637]Let's ignore local laws for a moment, because my local laws are different from your local laws. Let's assume a vo-tech school, the institute of sex. At the school students are taught, in addition to sexual skills, health and physiology, how to recognize herpes and genital warts, disease prevention, basic economics, how to deal with impotence and premature ejaculation. Upon successful completion, followed by tests, the graduate receives a license. They list their occupation as sex worker, pay taxes, get regular checkups and have certain rules they must follow. Customers require an anonymous I'd, that is only connected to a sexual health record. To keep the I'd active they require regular testing.

Is the buying and selling of sex, still derogatory?[/QUOTE]Yes, because it goes against the morals of society and as said before one becomes the product. Just because said person gets some regulated tests done does not change those facts, nor does it change the fact that those regulations are in place in order to curb the health impacts on the general populous if they were not performed.

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460353]Actually it does, it's derogatory for a reason. It turns one into an object losing value as a human and citizen. That being said objects should be treated accordingly to their degree of worth.[/QUOTE]Well I guess I spent my Fourth of July with some very nice objects then. The objects being the burgers, chips, and potato salad I shared with three humans that I value extremely highly as friends: JoJo, Sarah and Aurora Jade. Their degree of worth is something that this citizen of these United States holds in very high regard. So if our puritanical society determines them to be objects then, damn they are worth 100 x their weight in gold. I however think their human value is priceless!

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460795]Sex is different in that is not a skill or labor, but when one sells sex they themselves become the product. Society sees it that way because it goes against the Christian value of adultery that this country has adopted. Yes, because it goes against the morals of society and as said before one becomes the product.[/QUOTE]If I steal and destroy a product under society or our moral laws it's theft and destruction of private property, a felony at best. If I kidnap and take a life it's murder with a possible death sentence depending on the state. So the fallacy in your philosophy is even under the morals of our society, which is based on Christian values, the destruction of said sex object is still considered the taking of a human life. It makes no difference on the perceived worth of the sex product, it's true moral value under both our laws and Christian beliefs is once again priceless as a citizen and a human.

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460795]No, selling your labor, skills, or thoughts and ideas is not the same as sex. Sex is different in that is not a skill or labor, but when one sells sex they themselves become the product.[/QUOTE]How? When I buy a product, like tomatoes; just bought some for about $0. 37 per lb. , I take them home with me, consume them and they cease to exist in their original form. They are mine, to do with whatever I desire. The tomatoes have no say in my decision. They can't refuse to let me buy them.

If I hire a maid, when she comes, she cleans the apartment, then leaves. If I break certain rules, she leaves, possibly to be replaced by the police. She is free to clean other apartments.

Try it at home, or maybe a cheap motel. Go to the store and buy condoms. Take them to your room and get a prostitute to come over. Pay for sex. Now you have paid for a product, the condoms, and a service, which you claim becomes a product. After the sex, what do you have? A used condom. Do you also have a used prostitute? Check under the bed, in the bathroom, inside the condom? Did you find her? What happened to the product? Is there a prostitute wandering around without a vagina, because you used it all up?

Sex isn't a skill? I guess you've only had it once. Anyone who has had it more than once, with different partners, would recognize the skill factor. Granted, if you're spending money on the BP addicts, the skill level is quite low, but that should show you the value of hiring skilled labor.

[QUOTE]See above comment, I never equated it as bad you did. Society sees it that way because it goes against the Christian value of adultery that this country has adopted.[/QUOTE]And I quote: "It turns one into an object, losing value as a human and citizen. " Now, if everyone engaged in the practice loses value, check the math, that sounds bad.

It's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure adultery isn't a Christian value. I think they have a commandment against it. Let's look at adultery from the Christian side:

It's not adultery for a husband to have sex with and marry a slave. It's not adultery for a man to have several wives. It's not adultery for a man with 1 or more wives to have 1 or more additional sexual partners. It's not adultery for a man to have sex with his brother's widow (It's required if she has no sons). It's not adultery to have sex with an unmarried girl against her will, provided she is not engaged and you do it outside of town. It's also not adultery to have sex with prostitutes. All of the above clearly stated in the Bible used by Christians. As far as I can tell, by the Christian definition, only a woman can commit adultery.

[QUOTE]Yes, because it goes against the morals of society and as said before one becomes the product. Just because said person gets some regulated tests done does not change those facts, nor does it change the fact that those regulations are in place in order to curb the health impacts on the general populous if they were not performed.[/QUOTE]You're talking in circles. If you're having trouble with this, buy a product; lumber, hire a carpenter to make something. When the job is done, what is the condition and location of the product and of the paid labor? Is there a carpenter in your backyard pretending to be a birdhouse?

Making a demonstrably false statement multiple times doesn't make it a true statement. Calling something that, as just shown, isn't a fact, a fact, doesn't alter reality.

The final nail: ". Those regulations are in place in order to curb the health impacts on the general populous if they were not performed. ".

Ever had to get a food handler certification? Ever work in a hospital or clinic? Ever work in a food processing facility? Each is an example of regulations, to protect the health of the population. Those rules and regulations do not define the skill. Every surgeon, does not have the same skill, even though they are subject to the same rules. Every chef doesn't cook the same food for every meal, regardless of the regulations.

I saw this same problem in one of my philosophy classes. Every exercise, every discussion one student always put his religion as the defining factor. He wiped a lot of tears that semester. Religion and philosophy don't mix.

Religion requires strict adherence to a set of defined rules. Unfortunately, those rules aren't clearly defined. Hence all the bloodshed over religion. Any thought that contradicts those rules is prohibited.

Philosophy is thought beyond the rules. Rather than accept unproven assumptions as fact, you must ignore them. It's a great exercise for developing critical thought.

Too many claim to be philosophers, with no understanding of philosophy.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3461289]How? When I buy a product, like tomatoes; just bought some for about $0. 37 per lb. , I take them home with me, consume them and they cease to exist in their original form. They are mine, to do with whatever I desire. The tomatoes have no say in my decision. They can't refuse to let me buy them.

If I hire a maid, when she comes, she cleans the apartment, then leaves. If I break certain rules, she leaves, possibly to be replaced by the police. She is free to clean other apartments.

Try it at home, or maybe a cheap motel. Go to the store and buy condoms. Take them to your room and get a prostitute to come over. Pay for sex. Now you have paid for a product, the condoms, and a service, which you claim becomes a product. After the sex, what do you have? A used condom. Do you also have a used prostitute? Check under the bed, in the bathroom, inside the condom? Did you find her? What happened to the product? Is there a prostitute wandering around without a vagina, because you used it all up?

Sex isn't a skill? I guess you've only had it once. Anyone who has had it more than once, with different partners, would recognize the skill factor. Granted, if you're spending money on the BP addicts, the skill level is quite low, but that should show you the value of hiring skilled labor.

And I quote: "It turns one into an object, losing value as a human and citizen. " Now, if everyone engaged in the practice loses value, check the math, that sounds bad.

It's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure adultery isn't a Christian value. I think they have a commandment against it. Let's look at adultery from the Christian side:

It's not adultery for a husband to have sex with and marry a slave. It's not adultery for a man to have several wives. It's not adultery for a man with 1 or more wives to have 1 or more additional sexual partners. It's not adultery for a man to have sex with his brother's widow (It's required if she has no sons). It's not adultery to have sex with an unmarried girl against her will, provided she is not engaged and you do it outside of town. It's also not adultery to have sex with prostitutes. All of the above clearly stated in the Bible used by Christians. As far as I can tell, by the Christian definition, only a woman can commit adultery.

You're talking in circles. If you're having trouble with this, buy a product; lumber, hire a carpenter to make something. When the job is done, what is the condition and location of the product and of the paid labor? Is there a carpenter in your backyard pretending to be a birdhouse?

Making a demonstrably false statement multiple times doesn't make it a true statement. Calling something that, as just shown, isn't a fact, a fact, doesn't alter reality..[/QUOTE]Hmm what christian bible are you getting your definition from? I'd be interested in seeing the book and verse. I think The king James version views adultery a little different than what you describe.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3461289]
Philosophy is thought beyond the rules. Rather than accept unproven assumptions as fact, you must ignore them. It's a great exercise for developing critical thought.

Too many claim to be philosophers, with no understanding of philosophy.[/QUOTE]Very good explanation.

But the dude is even confused about religion: Love the sinner, hate the sin. I do not understand how these people go from something being immoral to a person is reduced to an object and a commodity. It seems to be a rationalization for their behavior, rather than a coherent interpretation of their religion.

[QUOTE=WinterWarlock;3461409]Very good explanation.

But the dude is even confused about religion: Love the sinner, hate the sin. I do not understand how these people go from something being immoral to a person is reduced to an object and a commodity. It seems to be a rationalization for their behavior, rather than a coherent interpretation of their religion.[/QUOTE]I don't think the "dude" is trying to rationalize anything, I think you have twisted the positions, what the "dude" is saying is the truth, very bit of it.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3461331]Hmm what christian bible are you getting your definition from? I'd be interested in seeing the book and verse. I think The king James version views adultery a little different than what you describe.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. Someone hasn't been reading their Bible.

It's okay. This is a common failing amongst Christians.

There are 3 major Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Mohammedism and Christianity. Each one begins with the same foundation. In Christianity it's known as The Old Testament. The rules in The Old Testament were claimed to be given directly from Yahweh, Jehovah, or just plain God. There's lots and lots of rules. The New Testament also contains lots of rules. However, the vast majority of these rules were agreed upon by early Christian leaders, rather than handed down from above.

The Christians ran into a lot of problems as they tried to spread their religion. They ran into people whose diets were based upon pork or shellfish. The ran into people who used different materials to make clothing. So, along came "The New Covenant. " The New Covenant was the church saying, "God has granted all of you a waiver for any rules you don't want to follow. " Even the rules you absolutely never must break are okay to ignore, if you follow the proper procedure to say "I'm sorry. ".

The problem with this, the words claimed to be from Jesus Christ, directly contradict the New Covenant.

Instead of looking up each verse, I just finished a 6 mile walk and I'm tired, I'll give you a starting point, Leviticus. You'll find enough rules there to keep you busy for a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3461427]I don't think the "dude" is trying to rationalize anything, I think you have twisted the positions, what the "dude" is saying is the truth, very bit of it.[/QUOTE]Are you going with the idea that by becoming a pro, the woman becomes an object, rather than a person?

Good luck with defending that position.

[QUOTE=WinterWarlock;3462058]Are you going with the idea that by becoming a pro, the woman becomes an object, rather than a person?

Good luck with defending that position.[/QUOTE]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462126]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.[/QUOTE]You all just need to get laid. I think that will solve all your problems arguing about this stuff. We all are here for one main reason. So quit debating it and get to satisfying that one reason. The girls will appreciate you more also.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462126]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.[/QUOTE]It's a service, not a product, by the true definition. You don't take anything home with you unless you want to keep the condom as a memory of the service experience. I have a suggestion. Go and buy a blow up doll, a product, watch some porn, a product that is produced to provide a service, and have sex with the doll. This way by using a product and self servicing you won't be spending the amount of $ that you have been spending on H Gaps.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462126]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.[/QUOTE]So, you're saying that somewhere you have a storage locker full of all the fucks you've purchased? The smell must be awful.

If you go to a dealer and buy some heroin, you've bought a product. If you pay the dealer to inject you with the heroin, you've paid for a product and a service, rented a needle and got the hep C tossed in for free.

If you go to a provider, afterwards you walk out with what? A used condom? An odor? A brief feeling of shame? Where is the product?

It's a very simple concept. Park your car 6 blocks from the grocery store. Walk to the store. Buy 20 bags of potatoes (5# each). Carry them back to your car, in one trip. Now go see a 100# provider and park 6 blocks away. Buy her "product. " Carry it back to your car.

Feel the difference between a product and service?

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3462415]So, you're saying that somewhere you have a storage locker full of all the fucks you've purchased? The smell must be awful.

If you go to a dealer and buy some heroin, you've bought a product. If you pay the dealer to inject you with the heroin, you've paid for a product and a service, rented a needle and got the hep C tossed in for free.

If you go to a provider, afterwards you walk out with what? A used condom? An odor? A brief feeling of shame? Where is the product?

It's a very simple concept. Park your car 6 blocks from the grocery store. Walk to the store. Buy 20 bags of potatoes (5# each). Carry them back to your car, in one trip. Now go see a 100# provider and park 6 blocks away. Buy her "product. " Carry it back to your car.

Feel the difference between a product and service?[/QUOTE]You're a well read moron, look at your first analogy, If you go to a provider and buy some pussy, you've bought a product. If you pay the provider to BBBJ and fuck you with a cover, you've paid for a product and a service, rented a condom and got the STD tossed in for free.

Where's the difference genius?

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3462397]It's a service, not a product, by the true definition. You don't take anything home with you unless you want to keep the condom as a memory of the service experience. I have a suggestion. Go and buy a blow up doll, a product, watch some porn, a product that is produced to provide a service, and have sex with the doll. This way by using a product and self servicing you won't be spending the amount of $ that you have been spending on H Gaps.[/QUOTE]Pussy, ass and tits are products when their on the market, using them on you is a service.

So by your logic, restaurants and bars don't have any products, just service.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3462397]Go and buy a blow up doll, a product, watch some porn, a product that is produced to provide a service, and have sex with the doll. This way by using a product and self servicing you won't be spending the amount of $ that you have been spending on H Gaps.[/QUOTE]Let's say I go to a hotel and they sell me a blow up doll (a product) and I have sex with it (self servicing) and I go home, alone. What about that?

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3461596]There are 3 major Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Mohammedism and Christianity. Each one begins with the same foundation. In Christianity it's known as The Old Testament. The rules in The Old Testament were claimed to be given directly from Yahweh, Jehovah, or just plain God. There's lots and lots of rules. The New Testament also contains lots of rules. However, the vast majority of these rules were agreed upon by early Christian leaders, rather than handed down from above.[/QUOTE]All three of the main ones started in the same geographic area where communication was limited because of travel time and the spoken word. Add human stubbornness, egos and greed and it's no wonder the main three can't agree with each other because a truly divine interaction would overrule the man made religious believes.

Religion is man's attempt at explaining his existence through perceived divine interaction. Yet it really is defined through the ages by his increasing empathy, compassion and developmental understanding of right and wrong. Modern intellectual knowledge of science has determined his existence is the result of a living universe. Now religion is a war of egos, dogma, ignorance, deficiency of humanity by the persistence of a few to make a specific religious believe the only believe in a self-righteous manner.

Religion is mankind's greatest and most deadly creation. It's greatest because it set rules based on his increasing knowledge of humanity, right and wrong and the human spirit. It's most deadly because more of humankind has been destroyed in the name of religious dogma than all of the wars ever fought against our fellow man. Thank man, not god, for his humanity. Faith is the belief that man will eventually get it right by truly practicing what he logically knows, believes and feels in his soul and rational mind.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462126]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.[/QUOTE]People are not products, objects, commodities, property, etc.

But the irony is that some people are tools.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462423]Pussy, ass and tits are products when their on the market, using them on you is a service.

So by your logic, restaurants and bars don't have any products, just service.[/QUOTE]They are classified as a service industry, duh! Food and liquor purchased in a store that you take home is a product. When it's served and consumed at a restaurant or bar, a service establishment, then you have been served a product that you don't take home with you, except in your stomach. Thus it's a service you receive, not a product. If you decide to do take-out then you receive a product from a service establishment to TAKE HOME and consume. If your AC is low on Freon and you call the AC service company to come to your home to recharge it, you have received a service because they supply the product that they purchased and used in your home AC. However you can buy the Freon, a product, from the store and take it home and install it yourself. That's self service with a product, kind of like the blow up doll would be.

Self-Service is clearly defined in the abbreviations section at the top. Self-Service = Masturbation. E. g. "It was a self-service jack shack" = no contact with the dancer, but the man can masturbate. So by your logic if you purchase the product, a prostitute, and you don't touch her, but you use the "object" of your desire to strip, play with herself and talk dirty to you and you jack off and produce sperm, a product of the artificial insemination industry, then I guess we should be calling the entire experience Self-Product not Self-Service. A2, please change the abbreviations you are wrong!

Please tell me where you are buying real pussy, ass and tits and taking them home to play with? Doctors do plastic surgery, a service, to install implants, a product. Are you storing all of these products for a future sex change operation?

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462432]Let's say I go to a hotel and they sell me a blow up doll (a product) and I have sex with it (self servicing) and I go home, alone. What about that?[/QUOTE]You go to a hotel and rent a room, a service provided by the hotel, and you see a blow up doll with a gap, a product, and purchase it at the hotel and take it to your room and have sex with it, Self-Product by your definition. Then you get in your car, a product, but by your choice you left the doll and drove your car home. You could have left both your doll and your car at the hotel and taken an Uber home, a service, and never went back to get either one of the products you purchased and own.

Now you go to a brothel and rent a room, a service provided by the brothel, you see a prostitute at the brothel with a gap, a service provider, who will provide you with sexual favors, but you can only rent her pussy, ass and tits for an hour in your rented room. You take her to your room and she provides the services you desire. Now you love the gap and you want to take her home, but you don't own her so you have to leave her at the brothel because you only rented her services for an hour. You could drive your car, a product, home or take an Uber, a service, but no matter what you can't take the service provider with you. However if you negotiate a long term deal with her to provide you with services at your home, then it's out-call services. If these services become a permanent deal then she is now your live in service provider and most would call her your live in mistress or girlfriend. If you marry her, then she becomes your wife, however with that mistake you will soon be returning to the brothel to obtain their services once again!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3462858]You go to a hotel and rent a room, a service provided by the hotel, and you see a blow up doll with a gap, a product, and purchase it at the hotel and take it to your room and have sex with it, Self-Product by your definition. Then you get in your car, a product, but by your choice you left the doll and drove your car home. You could have left both your doll and your car at the hotel and taken an Uber home, a service, and never went back to get either one of the products you purchased and own.

Now you go to a brothel and rent a room, a service provided by the brothel, you see a prostitute at the brothel with a gap, a service provider, who will provide you with sexual favors, but you can only rent her pussy, ass and tits for an hour in your rented room. You take her to your room and she provides the services you desire. Now you love the gap and you want to take her home, but you don't own her so you have to leave her at the brothel because you only rented her services for an hour. You could drive your car, a product, home or take an Uber, a service, but no matter what you can't take the service provider with you. However if you negotiate a long term deal with her to provide you with services at your home, then it's out-call services. If these services become a permanent deal then she is now your live in service provider and most would call her your live in mistress or girlfriend. If you marry her, then she becomes your wife, however with that mistake you will soon be returning to the brothel to obtain their services once again![/QUOTE]Definition of 'Product' - The Economic Times.

Economictimes. [URL]indiatimes.com[/URL] › Definitions › Marketing.

A product can be a service or an item. It can be physical or in virtual or cyber form. Every product is made at a cost and each is sold at a price. The price that can be charged depends on the market, the quality, the marketing and the segment that is targeted.

Here is a definition of "product".

[URL]http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/product.html[/URL]

By the definition of product as given above, I suppose it can be considered a product. It is a good or service created as a result of a process and serves a need or satisfies a want. However, the generally accepted meaning of product in the eyes of most is that it is a tangible item often considered to be personal property (I. E. A commercially distributed good). So depending on how you look at it and how technical you all are about the definitions and the purpose, it can be a product and a service.

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/product[/URL]

By this second definition, especially "something (such as a service) that is marketed or sold as a commodity" it can again be both!

Now that we have cleared the that all up, can we just get back to mongering?

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462419]You're a well read moron, look at your first analogy, If you go to a provider and buy some pussy, you've bought a product. If you pay the provider to BBBJ and fuck you with a cover, you've paid for a product and a service, rented a condom and got the STD tossed in for free.

Where's the difference genius?[/QUOTE]I so love it when stupid people aren't content to keep their ignorance to themselves, they wish to shout it out to the world.

The most that can be claimed is that you rented a receptacle for your penis. I'll try to simplify it to your level, although I may need more crayons.

A product, any product, once purchased, is yours to use in whatever way you wish. While certain uses may be illegal, the product can't complain or resist the usage. A bullet, can't refuse your attempt to fire it into your own brain, a shot which would earn you a posthumous marksmanship award. It can't refuse to be fired at any target you choose. A pineapple can't refuse to be baked on a pizza. If you buy a condom big enough to fit over your head, it has no rights when you put your head in your ass.

When you pay a prostitute, you are paying to borrow, under conditions determined by the prostitute, the use of whichever body parts you wish. However, you can only suggest how those parts are used. She ultimately decides. Even where prostitution is legal, you have bought nothing. You don't get to cut off body parts to take home with you.

Even if you look at women as mere objects, it changes nothing. You have paid for an experience, a tour with a happy ending. You have no rights in the matter in Indiana and minimal rights in places where prostitution is legal.

If you were buying a product, you, not the product decide on BBFS. You, not the product determines MSOG. You have no time limit to use the product, although it's best used before withdrawal kicks in.

If you still don't understand (probability 99.997%) try a simple test. Pick one of your favorites. Buy her as a product. Then tell her you don't have to leave because you bought her. Refuse to leave. A tomato can't make you leave the kitchen.

After a short period of time you will understand. You'll either be taught the difference by a pimp, a dealer or the police.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462423]Pussy, ass and tits are products when their on the market, using them on you is a service.

So by your logic, restaurants and bars don't have any products, just service.[/QUOTE]You're using a word you don't understand; logic.

A restaurant sells products. You eat the food, or take it home with you to eat later. If and when you eat the food, it ceases to be food. After you eat the food, the restaurant can't sell that food to another customer. They need to make more food. What you get after the food has been eaten is only fertilizer, or in your case, brains.

While it may be called "eating pussy", it isn't consumed. The woman doesn't have to go out and have a new pussy installed after every session. The pussy you pay to use is the exact same pussy everyone else uses.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462432]Let's say I go to a hotel and they sell me a blow up doll (a product) and I have sex with it (self servicing) and I go home, alone. What about that?[/QUOTE]Let's say I go to a store and buy a tomato (I really like tomatoes) and I walk out of the store without the tomato?

You bought the blow-up doll. You can take it home with you. You can leave it in the hotel room. You can patch the needle hole from trying to inject it with heroin (you know, for the added realism) and then toss it in the dumpster.

Even your addict providers will probably resist being thrown in the dumpster.

You're really out doing yourself here.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462917]Definition of 'Product' - The Economic Times.

Economictimes. [URL]indiatimes.com[/URL] Definitions Marketing.

A product can be a service or an item. It can be physical or in virtual or cyber form. Every product is made at a cost and each is sold at a price. The price that can be charged depends on the market, the quality, the marketing and the segment that is targeted.[/QUOTE]Quote "When a client asks "what can you make for me?" they are asking about products; when a client asks "what can you do for me?" they are asking about services. While a product is something that can be measured and counted, a service is less concrete and is the result of the application of skills and expertise towards an identified need. A product is something you can point at, whereas a service, as The Economist defines it, is any activity "you can't drop on your foot". (see below reference).

[URL]https://www.archives.gov/preservation/products/definitions/products-services.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.economist.com/economics-a-to-z?letter=S[/URL]

By your definition above what is the cost to make the providers product of pussy, tits and ass? Your definition above proves that all providers aren't the same because, "the price that can be charged depends on the market, the quality, the marketing and the segment that is targeted", which clearly indicates differentiation between the products. Thus a difference in the type of provider, thus not all providers are the same.

Bob, please at some point you are becoming a moron about this whole discussion. If you truly believe that any provider is an object, a product, a thing, all of them being the same, none being better than the other, all have issues then go ahead and believe what you want, it's your right. I feel sorry for you and the demise of your humanity over the past few months. Things must have been really tough on you for you to reach this low point in your life. I wish you well, I'm done with this discussion.