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Las Vegas, as in many other cities, agencies are 99% scams. The agencies use these tactics:
L. UPSELL. They state that beautiful blonde Ashley, is only $200 for a visit. Then she tells you that the $200 is for the trip over to your place. Period. Then if
You want a blowjob, its $150 more, dining at the Y is $200 more, Kissing and cuddling is $150 more, intercourse is #250 more, etc. On the phone, they will not tell you if the price is all-inclusive, of course. If you all a girl in LV, and she won't tell you if the price is all-inclusive, hang up! Oh, and you will pay the show-up fee, because she will have a big bully guy to convince you.
2. BAIT AND SWITCH. Many agencies will show pics of a pornstar model, and send over any girl that remotley matches that pic. Many guys think with the llittle head, and say,"Well, you are already here, so I will let you in. Don't do it! Tell the girl you will meet her in the lobby, as all agency girls here won't meet you in the lobby, or at Starbucks, because then YOU have the advantage.
3. NON-SERVICE. Many of the agency girls won't even kiss, cuddle, neck, fondle, or strip. Not without about $500 from your wallet. If the girl won't even say if she is GFE, on the phone, hang up! A lot of the girls will just want to give you a dance, or backrub for $200 more. Ask about full service, if they are evasive, HANG UP.
4. FAKE INFO ADS. If there is no picture or no face shown, its because the agency can then send any girls they have available at the moment. If the ad emphasizes that the pics are free, or she is free, thats done so she can upsell. You will get the girl in the pic, but she will get your wallet. If the girl has no name, thats another sign of scam.
5. TRICK ROLLS. Many girls will undress with you, then ask you to wash up, and when your back is turned, they will have your billfold, cash, cards, watch, and be out the door. They may also try to get personal info, or ask for $ upfront, then disappear with it. These tricks are a felony in Nevada, and most girls know it, but it does happen a lot. Prostitution is a misdemeanor in Las Vegas, but legal outside Clark County.
6. NO REVIEWS. Agency girls have very few, if any reviews. I've seen about 50 reviews for agency girls, and only about 5 were positive. Most don't even have a review. If you see a girl here in LV, look for reviews on hotgfe, The Other Board, The Erotic Review (another site) , TNAboard. Myredbook has mostly self-reviews, ignore it. Also, look at usasexguide. Info / forum, LV section for some reviews. Keep away from LV Backpage. Mojovillage has a few, but now has lots of agency girls and scammers. Well, hope you enjoyed my novel. So happy hunting.
Some of what you say is true, but not all.
[QUOTE=BassLake; 1518081]Las Vegas, as in many other cities, agencies are 99% scams. The agencies use these tactics:
L. UPSELL. They state that beautiful blonde Ashley, is only $200 for a visit. Then she tells you that the $200 is for the trip over to your place. Period. Then if
You want a blowjob, its $150 more, dining at the Y is $200 more, Kissing and cuddling is $150 more, intercourse is #250 more, etc. On the phone, they will not tell you if the price is all-inclusive, of course. If you all a girl in LV, and she won't tell you if the price is all-inclusive, hang up! Oh, and you will pay the show-up fee, because she will have a big bully guy to convince you.
2. BAIT AND SWITCH. Many agencies will show pics of a pornstar model, and send over any girl that remotley matches that pic. Many guys think with the llittle head, and say,"Well, you are already here, so I will let you in. Don't do it! Tell the girl you will meet her in the lobby, as all agency girls here won't meet you in the lobby, or at Starbucks, because then YOU have the advantage.
3. NON-SERVICE. Many of the agency girls won't even kiss, cuddle, neck, fondle, or strip. Not without about $500 from your wallet. If the girl won't even say if she is GFE, on the phone, hang up! A lot of the girls will just want to give you a dance, or backrub for $200 more. Ask about full service, if they are evasive, HANG UP.
4. FAKE INFO ADS. If there is no picture or no face shown, its because the agency can then send any girls they have available at the moment. If the ad emphasizes that the pics are free, or she is free, thats done so she can upsell. You will get the girl in the pic, but she will get your wallet. If the girl has no name, thats another sign of scam.
5. TRICK ROLLS. Many girls will undress with you, then ask you to wash up, and when your back is turned, they will have your billfold, cash, cards, watch, and be out the door. They may also try to get personal info, or ask for $ upfront, then disappear with it. These tricks are a felony in Nevada, and most girls know it, but it does happen a lot. Prostitution is a misdemeanor in Las Vegas, but legal outside Clark County.
6. NO REVIEWS. Agency girls have very few, if any reviews. I've seen about 50 reviews for agency girls, and only about 5 were positive. Most don't even have a review. If you see a girl here in LV, look for reviews on hotgfe, The Other Board, The Erotic Review (another site) , TNAboard. Myredbook has mostly self-reviews, ignore it. Also, look at usasexguide. Info / forum, LV section for some reviews. Keep away from LV Backpage. Mojovillage has a few, but now has lots of agency girls and scammers. Well, hope you enjoyed my novel. So happy hunting.[/QUOTE]There is no entrapment law here in Nevada, which basically means just answering a ad showing up, can get you hit with misdemeanor soliciting, this goes both ways for guys and girls. The reason why some of us ladies don't like to discuss explicit details such as whether we provide full service, GFE, or any sexual favors is because if the person on the other end of the phone is a cop, you will have just admitted that you are going to commit a criminal act. Sex for money. If its fbsm the guy is pretty safe, but the girl is hit with giving a massage without a license and can either be cited for it or arrested for it. This is the reason that some of us ladies screen, before discussing specifics, so as not to get busted. I understand that most guys don't like the screening process, bit it not only keeps you safe, but it gives us ladies a sense of comfort and safety to. So just because a lady doesn't want to get into what you will or won't get before you meet her is not a plan for getting what you want. Reviews definitely help in this manner, because they outline what you might potentially get if you choose her. But you should always be prepared for YMMV, as some ladies believe that enviroment, chemistry, hygiene, personality and looks play a part in them being able to deliver what you want. Now although what you outlined may be representative of most agencies with bad business practices, its not true of all. There are agencies that ate reputable and do business in a professional manner. The key is that you fellas have to do your homework if you want to get what you want and how you want it. You can't think with the little head and drool over a hot pic and a low price and decide thats all you need. Take the time to google the number, use tinyeye or Google image search to make sure the pics are real, check to see if she has reviews and if they are good then if she requires screening, do that 1st and them ask the questions you feel are pertinent to the type of session you seek. Try introducing yourself 1st instead of asking "how much?","where are you located?","do you do___?" Those things don't always get you what you want. You guys want discretion and we do to. We know about the scam agencies and scam providers, but some of us treat this like a business and enjoy what we do, and if the fellas tespected that a little more it would leave both parties happy.
You said, I just clarified it
[QUOTE=BassLake; 1519240]Well, really, I did not imply that a guy should ask about illegal services, I said he should ask if the price is all-inclusive, and a flat rate. Thats not asking anything illegal. Also, I say to ask if GFE (kissing, some definitions differ) and kissing was permitted, as many agency girls won't even let you touch them. Agencies will not discuss a flat rate, because then they cannot upsell. I did mention using Tineye, and emphasized the importance of examining reviews on review sites. Also, agency girls will not meet in the lobby or at a neutral site such as Starbucks. I did not say one should expect explicit details, only price, kissing, and meeting in a neutral place. I do screening myself, and every girls should screen, too, I have good suggestions for that, but thats another show, j folks.
As to legit agencises, I know that I've only heard of 2 in all of Las Vegas, if there are more than that, I sure would like to know of them. There used to be 4, but 2 have recently disbanded. We fellas do respect the business, and the girls who are legit. A minority of girls do mislead the "fellas", and a huge majority of agencies (about 98%) , mislead the "fellas"). Also, at some point, in every transaction, there comes a time that money goes to the girl, in some manner, and an intimate act takes place. So as I say, screen agencies, and the girls. P411 also helps. OH, I also mentioned trick-rolls, which are felonies, and some girls, agency and scammer alike, do sometimes pull those tricks.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, you did state that if a girl won't even let you know if she's GFE, that you should hangup, and you didn't specify agency girls only. I was only clarifying the fact that speaking explicitly or even implying anything in regards to sexual favors is where the crime lies. That is why escort agencies can operate, the way they do. If you only speak about time and companionship, then your safe. I know it sucks for you guys, because you want to make sure that you get what you want, but as I pointed out, it could lead to a night or two in jail and agencies know this all to well and use it to their benefit, that's why the are able to be licensed and bonded. As long as they sell their services as companionship, they don't get hassled by Vice. Because just like the weekly trips that Vice pays to AAMP, the also do the same things with Escort agencies and Swinger, Strip and Sex Clubs. So if you don't want the hassle, then stick to Independent, Well-Reviewed Providers or 100Proof, Hobby Shop, or HH Private Collection or High-End Referral Services if you can afford it, so as not to have a horrible experience.
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[QUOTE=PreciousOne;1519271]Unfortunately, you did state that if a girl won't even let you know if she's GFE, that you should hangup, and you didn't specify agency girls only. I was only clarifying the fact that speaking explicitly or even implying anything in regards to sexual favors is where the crime lies. That is why escort agencies can operate, the way they do. If you only speak about time and companionship, then your safe. I know it sucks for you guys, because you want to make sure that you get what you want, but as I pointed out, it could lead to a night or two in jail and agencies know this all to well and use it to their benefit, that's why the are able to be licensed and bonded. As long as they sell their services as companionship, they don't get hassled by Vice. Because just like the weekly trips that Vice pays to AAMP, the also do the same things with Escort agencies and Swinger, Strip and Sex Clubs. So if you don't want the hassle, then stick to Independent, Well-Reviewed Providers or 100Proof, Hobby Shop, or HH Private Collection or High-End Referral Services if you can afford it, so as not to have a horrible experience.[/QUOTE] Yes, I said GFE, and I also defined it as kissing only, which is not illegal. And agencies do mislead and cater to the prurient interests of men. And many agency girls do get arrested, as several attorny friends have stated many times. When an agency girl gets arrested, the agency says of the girl,"We know thee not." And the girl is the only one arrested, real slick deal for agencies, right? But agencies also imply to the men that the time and companionship will lead to sex. And when the girl gets the money just for showing up, and mentions a price for sex, then the girl is at risk for an arrest. We are saying the same thing about screening, reading reviews, and protecting ourselves from trick-roll, I said that in my first letter. And yes, us guys do want to get what we pay for. And as I said about trick-rolls,( which are stealing wallets, credit cards, blackmail, assault, etc.) We guys do need to watch out for these kind of scam girls. Even some agency girls have done trick-rolls, bonded or not.As I said, about 98% of the agencies in Las Vegas are elusive, evasive scammers. And we do have some girls who are independent, but use the same tactics.