BBQ and fight thread

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]I've been lurking here a while [blue][Deleted by Admin]

No you haven't. If you want to go ahead and post this with your real account you're welcome to but using aliases is a dick move.

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This jackass sent me a PM before she got banned whining about my gossip. If what I have said isn't true then say so. The fight forum is here to air grievances. I know its true that is why there has been such a reaction. I have a feelling many members as I do don't like supporting drug users especially Needle users who are at 10 times greater risk of contracting disease. The admin said you can post here just not as an alias of an alias. So please let people know what you really think so they can judge for themselves what you really are.

Keyboard Hero.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2889199]The genetic aspect of addiction is very true even with those that use Alcohol. Max is right about the genetic addicts don't feel normal until they use the drug that makes them feel normal. I am not an addict, but I have been to 100's of NA meetings listening to recovering addicts describe their addictions and the reasons why they started. From what I learned psychological, medical and social reasons for addiction were more common than genetic. Addicts who psychologically are troubled and have emotional pain in their life use drugs or alcohol to escape reality because they don't feel the pain when they are using. The social reasons stem from boredom, peer pressure, experimentation and many other reasons that start out as recreational use gone bad to the point that the body needs the drug to feel normal. Medical is becoming more prevalent because of the opiate pain meds used to treat patients. The body becomes accustomed to the meds and the cost of pills is much more costly than Heroin. When using most of the mainstream drugs you can't tell they are high because it's their normal state. It's easier to identify the drug use when they haven't used in a few hours. Each drug has different types of signals.

Most drugs including opiates, meth, coke can be used intravenously. Track marks can be hidden, between fingers and toes, under finger and toe nails, under the tongue so just because the forearm doesn't have track marks doesn't mean they aren't an active user. Most drugs can be snorted or smoked with virtually no signs of use until it becomes severe. You can't help an addict until they are ready to be helped, normally this occurs when they hit rock bottom. An addict will always be an addict, the ones that are not active addicts are recovering addicts.

I just lost my girlfriend of four years Saturday, she was also and my fiance. She died clean and had been that way for 4 years, three months and thirteen days. I was so proud of her. She died in her sleep from all her medical complications from her genetic history and her prior drug use. Addicts can make it, but it takes them making the choice to be clean. It also takes support from an individual or a group to help them through the process. I commend anyone who tries to help an addict, but remember it is not an easy path to take. If you do, then you saved a life and most of the time that's worth the risk.[/QUOTE]Wow FF, can't think of anything else to say. Just wow. Condolences on your fiance, sounds you gave each other a geat gift with the limited time you had.

[QUOTE=MeetDelilah;2898560]I inevitably end up in conflict alone with a very angry man, and that is a dangerous situation that I'd like to avoid.[/QUOTE]After all this time, I still find it difficult to wrap my head around the fact that there are people who [I]actively [/I]seek out BBFS with people they don't know, and get all butthurt when they don't get it.

[NOPARSE]/[/NOPARSE]z.

[QUOTE=BnT69;2901017]This always pisses me off, way to serve the taxpaying citizens Mayor and LMPD! The critical, life and death work of interferring with the activities of consenting adults. Shootings every day in the west end? Nah not as important as Derby sex stings. Rampant Heroin and Meth problem in pretty much all parts of town? Nope, got to bust people over sex. Now they are framing it under the issue of "Derby brings alot of human trafficking to Louisville, we are fighting that by doing stings". What a JOKE! Please give proof or examples to back up this claim of human trafficking being such a huge problem at derby time or any other time. They can't, there is none. It's just a way to harass people and create more overtime pay for officers and generate more revenue via fines and fees.[/QUOTE]With all respect, please don't be so naive. There is ample evidence that during any major sporting event in this country there are numerous trafficking victims being sold. There are estimated to be over 20 million trafficking victims around the world. Now, are they working on specific information that a certain place is being used in such a way. I don't know but it may be doubtful.

Teach.

[QUOTE=TeachMeky16;2901527]With all respect, please don't be so naive. There is ample evidence that during any major sporting event in this country there are numerous trafficking victims being sold. There are estimated to be over 20 million trafficking victims around the world. Now, are they working on specific information that a certain place is being used in such a way. I don't know but it may be doubtful.

Teach.[/QUOTE]There is no perfect way to prevent all sex trafficking. But what has been proven over and over is that the two worst ways are to do nothing and to do what we do in the country, I. E. Criminalize it all. The most effective method is too legalize, regulate an inspect providers as being of age, disease free and consensual and not criminalizing them or their patrons while at the same time providing severe penalties to sex traffickers and the clients who see unlicensed providers and actually consistently enforcing them. And no penalties for trafficked victims. Of course we can't have because that would mean we're condoning prostitution.

[QUOTE=TeachMeky16;2901527]With all respect, please don't be so naive. There is ample evidence that during any major sporting event in this country there are numerous trafficking victims being sold. There are estimated to be over 20 million trafficking victims around the world. Now, are they working on specific information that a certain place is being used in such a way. I don't know but it may be doubtful.

Teach.[/QUOTE]All good man. But we are talking about here, in Louisville Ky. Not Chicago or Houston or NYC or San Francisco. I don't see it HERE. Where's it at? Prove that it exist. It doesn't. And your 20 million figure? Well that's mostly in other countries. Think South America, Asia, etc. Not naive here at all. Just not gullible. At the end of all their big Derby anti-trafficking initiative, it will be all the girls you know and love getting busted LOL. None of them are trafficked trust me.

What it is, is that Human Trafficking has become a hot topic buzzword, so lmpd frames it that way because it gets all the funding thrown at it. And they want a slice of the pie.

[QUOTE=TeachMeky16;2901527]With all respect, please don't be so naive; there is ample evidence that during any major sporting event in this country there are numerous trafficking victims being sold.[/QUOTE]Actually you're the one who's naive! There is no such "ample evidence" that has ever been presented, let alone verified as true & accurate! The Fed's & local L'E'O's in any metro-area where these major sporting-events are held trot-out this allegation to justify getting Fed' funding (& in some cases Fed' technical-assitance) to conduct large-scale longer-duration "sting" operations: but if you check the arrest-reports in the news at the time or immediately afterward there are almost zero reports of "trafficking victims" being "rescued" or "sex-traffickers" being arrested! Just the occasional "street"pimp running a teenage runaway: but even those are a tiny fraction of the arrests! All the rest are "johns" & [U]adult[/U] prostitutes; & (occasionally) a few "street"pimps running an adult-female prostitute or two or three or four! It's just convenient poltical "cover" for cops to go after easy targets & generate lots of positive publicity for their agencies in order to argue for more authority, funding, & power to harass consenting-adults engaging in "commercial"sexual activities! The whole "thousands of trafficking victims brought into cities where major sporting-events are being held" has been repeatedly shown to be totally fabricated falsifications by anti-prostitution "crusaders" (who are usually right-wing religious nut-bags) who have their own political & religious {& financial} agenda to justify! _ Sincerely: A' K'.

You ll never hear any city leader or head of police actually admit that some women just like doing this and the money better than working in the mall or waiting tables at red lobster for minimum wage. Too bad city officials can't get laid off like everyone else when the economy takes a big dip.

[QUOTE=TeachMeky16;2901527]With all respect, please don't be so naive. There is ample evidence that during any major sporting event in this country there are numerous trafficking victims being sold. There are estimated to be over 20 million trafficking victims around the world. Now, are they working on specific information that a certain place is being used in such a way. I don't know but it may be doubtful.

Teach.[/QUOTE]Human trafficking is terrible. The USASG is, always has been, and always will be against any genuine human trafficking. We support adults engaging in commercial sex nothing more.

That being said, no there isn't ample evidence of actual human trafficking. There is ample evidence of the crimes that have now been labeled human trafficking at these events.

Most states, pick up a streetwalker in your car, drive to your spot, get busted? You're a trafficker because one of the umbrella clauses is "transportation of somebody for the purpose of commercial sex. " She got in your car, you moved the car, you're a trafficker.

Two chicks see an ad in a neighboring state, "work as an escort. " They think, "hmmm we have pussy, we want money, lets go. " They get in their own car, drive to the next state burning their own gas, get busted, the operator of the agency is what? Yup a trafficker.

Yes it happens, no it's nowhere near as common as you are lead to believe.

A2.

[QUOTE=BnT69;2901867]All good man. But we are talking about here, in Louisville Ky. Not Chicago or Houston or NYC or San Francisco. I don't see it HERE. Where's it at? Prove that it exist. It doesn't. And your 20 million figure? Well that's mostly in other countries. Think South America, Asia, etc. Not naive here at all. Just not gullible. At the end of all their big Derby anti-trafficking initiative, it will be all the girls you know and love getting busted LOL. None of them are trafficked trust me.[/QUOTE]There was a case of two underage girls kidnapped in Toledo Ohio and trafficked in Detroit. This is rare but it does happen. Local AMPs traffic ladies from Korea, China etc. But most of the time the ladies know what they are getting into before they agree to come to the US. A few don't and it depends on the handler of the ladies. In Indy there was a group of Mexican traffickers that was busted up and they worked the Mexican night clubs selling trafficked latin ladies but only to their ethnic group. Even Louisville has this type of issue just like NYC has the mobs from the old Soviet Block trafficking ladies. Much of the trafficking is behind the scenes and within a certain ethnic group. They are not advertised on standard escort sites like BP or any type of escort site.

It exists, it's around, not mainstream more like the dark web, but limited and generally concentrated in the larger cities. The Indy 500 and Brickyard, just like the Derby, has media interest in anti-trafficking because during the events when a prostitute gets busted the media and government call it trafficking because it's news worthy, shows the general public that their tax dollars are working and brings in dollars for future operations. Trafficking exists all over the US so don't kid yourself because you don't see it. It's normally just not what you see in the media or on standard escort boards.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2902312]Human trafficking is terrible. The USASG is, always has been, and always will be against any genuine human trafficking. We support adults engaging in commercial sex nothing more.

That being said, no there isn't ample evidence of actual human trafficking. There is ample evidence of the crimes that have now been labeled human trafficking at these events.

Most states, pick up a streetwalker in your car, drive to your spot, get busted? You're a trafficker because one of the umbrella clauses is "transportation of somebody for the purpose of commercial sex. " She got in your car, you moved the car, you're a trafficker.

Two chicks see an ad in a neighboring state, "work as an escort. " They think, "hmmm we have pussy, we want money, lets go. " They get in their own car, drive to the next state burning their own gas, get busted, the operator of the agency is what? Yup a trafficker.

Yes it happens, no it's nowhere near as common as you are lead to believe.

A2.[/QUOTE]Well said, and great point about how the labeling has pretty much made everything be considered "trafficking". Reminds me of same thing with buzzword "bullying". It's an "epidemic" because everything is considered bullying nowdays, and kids grow up conditioned to be over-sensitive to behavior that would just be "kids being kids" back in our day.

Wdrb website has one today. Black guy and white woman arrested in a sting at red roof inn on the notorious Blairwood Rd for "trafficking" a minor. The fact it involves a minor is what makes it despicable. But still doubt it is trafficking in the classic sense, but maybe so. To me, it means kidnapping or forcibly removing someone from where they live, holding them against their will, and selling them into some form of slavery. But like A2 said, everything is going to get called trafficking nowdays.

[QUOTE=BnT69;2904006]Wdrb website has one today. Black guy and white woman arrested in a sting at red roof inn on the notorious Blairwood Rd for "trafficking" a minor. The fact it involves a minor is what makes it despicable. But still doubt it is trafficking in the classic sense, but maybe so. To me, it means kidnapping or forcibly removing someone from where they live, holding them against their will, and selling them into some form of slavery. But like A2 said, everything is going to get called trafficking nowdays.[/QUOTE]The bigger problem is as long as we (in this country) fight "trafficking" the way we do we'll never know who is really being trafficked and who is being "trafficked" under a definition made up by politicians or people who want money for their non profit. All I can say is I'm pretty sure the % of girls who are really being trafficked is between 10-90%. Honestly though, if the girl isn't of age its disgusting and I try to steer clear of all pimps, managers, on site bodyguards or drivers or even "boyfriends" who like to stay involved in the business. I don't like it.