Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6573193]200 is a fantastic nude rub![/QUOTE]Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.

Will be back in STL for a few days soon, is Catz still around? Please pm me if needed. Her and a couple others were always my go to's. Would love to see her again.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jeffc574;6571904]After several years of Chippewa / Watson Jasmine been backrub only, I am enjoy that more fun can be had. Since before COVID I have been 60 house / 60 tip, if I get a HJ. I was told to bring 100 for a tip next time on one visit. I brought 100. Got the same HJ I normally get and tipped 60. I got the feeling one lady was willing to offer more. If is get more, I will let you know.[/QUOTE]Has anyone gotten tammy to pop those big Asian granny hangers out? I'd be hooked on them if she actually would pull them out.

[QUOTE=OldCarGuy69;6571721]First let me say I've been doing this for over twenty years. I started in the DC area and have traveled a bit, and have been here for about 10 years. When I started, the hour rate was $60-$70 with table shower - that's all to the house, the girls get none of that. Everywhere I have been, expected tip for HJ has been $80, with more for more. If I only tip $40 as you gentlemen do, it is for BAD service and / or no HE. Hell, the girl who cuts my hair gets an $8 tip on a $12 haircut. Do the math. It's no wonder this area is as dried up as it is, with women older than me. I wouldn't want to go to St Louis if I were a hot young chick either.[/QUOTE]In the vast majority of locations here, the masseuse receives a base part of house's money. You're referring to jack shacks where they don't receive house money since they already make insane bank from tips.

Using your arbitrary tipping logic, why stop at 40 or 80 tip for a lousy massage? Why not tip 100? 200? Fuck, just throw them a blank check!

STL dried up for a couple reasons. First, there was one or two big busts that made news (sheng) which made everyone slow down (I guarantee that there were no tipping issues at that location during its peak). Things never fully recovered from that. Second, there's a growing trend over the past few years for a lackluster massage while aggressively pushing for a delusional tip. Shitty massage and DIY for an expectation of a $40 tip? Lmao, fuck off, bye. Because of that, many locations are getting less clientele and are pumping up their prices in hopes it will make up for the slower business (it won't). It's a cycle that will eventually put them out of business or force them to improve their services or lower their prices (they won't).

High tipping for a shitty massage incentivizes the very same massage experience that you are trying to avoid. If I tip a waiter 60% even though he sucks at his job, it's not going to make him a better waiter; it's going to make him believe he did a great job. The guys who tip $40 for an awful massage are the reason why still is so bad. They are rewarding bad behavior.

DC is more expensive because it's big on jack shacks since money flows there like piss. Even at its best, STL is absolutely nothing like the DC market. It never will be. But STL can still be good if we can rid ourselves of unnecessary simping over lazy masseuses and awful service.

I see a lot of posts that either severely misunderstand basic market dynamics, or the OP is likely associated with the locations they are shilling and trying to pump their business (yes that happens).

Have a good day, fellas.

[QUOTE=DiveMasterStl;6573262]Will be back in STL for a few days soon, is Catz still around? Please pm me if needed. Her and a couple others were always my go to's. Would love to see her again.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have not seen her advertising for a while. I don't think she's around anymore but maybe someone else knows otherwise.

[QUOTE=DrDex;6573251]Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.[/QUOTE]I want to say 400.

But. Vayda / Diane is available on RR at her regular rates. Scarlett [URL]https://sensualscarlett.com[/URL] is as well.

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6573193]200 is a fantastic nude rub![/QUOTE]Thought 2 was oral finish with her.

[QUOTE=Jfouquet;6574212]I have not seen her advertising for a while. I don't think she's around anymore but maybe someone else knows otherwise.[/QUOTE]That's what I was afraid of, thanks. Big loss!

[QUOTE=MoarMassage;6574086]In the vast majority of locations here, the masseuse receives a base part of house's money. You're referring to jack shacks where they don't receive house money since they already make insane bank from tips.

Using your arbitrary tipping logic, why stop at 40 or 80 tip for a lousy massage? Why not tip 100? 200? Fuck, just throw them a blank check!

STL dried up for a couple reasons. First, there was one or two big busts that made news (sheng) which made everyone slow down (I guarantee that there were no tipping issues at that location during its peak). Things never fully recovered from that. Second, there's a growing trend over the past few years for a lackluster massage while aggressively pushing for a delusional tip. Shitty massage and DIY for an expectation of a $40 tip? Lmao, fuck off, bye. Because of that, many locations are getting less clientele and are pumping up their prices in hopes it will make up for the slower business (it won't). It's a cycle that will eventually put them out of business or force them to improve their services or lower their prices (they won't).

High tipping for a shitty massage incentivizes the very same massage experience that you are trying to avoid. If I tip a waiter 60% even though he sucks at his job, it's not going to make him a better waiter; it's going to make him believe he did a great job. The guys who tip $40 for an awful massage are the reason why still is so bad. They are rewarding bad behavior.

DC is more expensive because it's big on jack shacks since money flows there like piss. Even at its best, STL is absolutely nothing like the DC market. It never will be. But STL can still be good if we can rid ourselves of unnecessary simping over lazy masseuses and awful service.

I see a lot of posts that either severely misunderstand basic market dynamics, or the OP is likely associated with the locations they are shilling and trying to pump their business (yes that happens).

Have a good day, fellas.[/QUOTE]The biggest thing that has dried up STL and everywhere else is * Attractive girls can make an * and make the same if not more money just selling pics and videos then they ever would letting old dudes stick their pecker in them. It boggles my mind that people talk about the 'good old days' back in the 90's like that wasn't 20-30 years ago and older than most people you'd want to stick your dick in.

[QUOTE=StlGamerDude;6574567]The biggest thing that has dried up STL and everywhere else is * Attractive girls can make an * and make the same if not more money just selling pics and videos then they ever would letting old dudes stick their pecker in them. It boggles my mind that people talk about the 'good old days' back in the 90's like that wasn't 20-30 years ago and older than most people you'd want to stick your dick in.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I can drive up to Springfield IL and get a nice to wonderful massage with full service from a beautiful 20 to mid 30's year old asian massage girl. You just have to read the forum on this board and figure out what place you want to check out. For whatever reason, the St. Louis market, even the Eastside spas, just suck anymore.

The major busts against massage parlors in St. Louis was quite a while ago but maybe that is still a factor. The spas on the MO side of the river all seem to be HJ only for the most part unless you happen to luck out. The city and suburbs seem to take a lot of effort in keeping the spas in check to a point. The Centreville spas on IL side of the river are mostly older, rougher, massage workers that I guess need to keep working and can't cut it in the bigger better markets. But can't those spas attract the younger better looking girls like in Springfield and other cities? Honestly, the last girl I saw at Kiku Spa in Decatur IL, and her coworkers I met afterwards were better looking and younger looking than most of the Centreville workers that I've met.

Are St. Louis area clients just cheaper? Are the regulations and LE presence in the St. Louis area just tougher? Are the "families" that run the St. Louis asian spas just not able to get younger, better, talent? Whatever it is, there is undeniably a difference and you can't blame that on some internet porn site.

[QUOTE=DrDex;6573251]Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.[/QUOTE]From my experience, they have different rates depending on the Vixen.

[QUOTE=Jeffc574;6573124]Lilia's newest add lists 175/200/300 options. 175 was a standard rub. 300 has always been FS. Years ago 200 got a nude rub. Any idea what 200 gets these days?[/QUOTE]I just saw this lovely lady today and had a great time as always. As to the pricing I'm pretty sure that the $200 is still for the nude rub. And it was interesting as when I arrived I gave her $300 planning on the FS. But after a regular massage for a bit she started on a very nice HJ. It felt so good I told her to just keep going which she did and produced a very happy ending. Then when I went to get dressed she gives me back $100 saying that wasn't necessary. I thought was incredibly nice although I told her to just keep it as she did all I expected and I was a happy camper.

[QUOTE=Apache77;6575703]I just saw this lovely lady today and had a great time as always. As to the pricing I'm pretty sure that the $200 is still for the nude rub. And it was interesting as when I arrived I gave her $300 planning on the FS. But after a regular massage for a bit she started on a very nice HJ. It felt so good I told her to just keep going which she did and produced a very happy ending. Then when I went to get dressed she gives me back $100 saying that wasn't necessary. I thought was incredibly nice although I told her to just keep it as she did all I expected and I was a happy camper.[/QUOTE]Echoing something similar happened to me last year. She wanted to knock money off session because she arrived "late. ".

I declined. She really wasn't that late, just 15 minutes, and she even texted beforehand—I'm used to being ghosted and other games lately.

She wanted to knock off 100 $ and I said no as she started day early because of my request.

[QUOTE=Sevenate9;6574888]From my experience, they have different rates depending on the Vixen.[/QUOTE]Vixens = good value.

Parker = Best in STL for consistent service and great attitude $300.

Dianne = great body $350.

Scarlett = great massage great service slightly older than I want to pay for $300.

Vee = Big as fuck nowadays $300 I can't do it.

Zianna = Good looking Alt / Lesbo look but not the best attitude kinda bithcy once told me I was late and went off and I told her to look at phone she told me wrong time I was early actually.

Angels = GPS.

Ell = Major GPS and crappy attitude $500.

Elsa = when she works best on planet for $350 sweet girl best body every.

Carly = $350 hot body but thinks alot of herself.

Erin = $400 good body good attitude service so so, on SA she wants $500 ??

Rachel = $400 nice girl NO curves at skinny as a rail doesn't work for me.

Cambria = Weird and GPS $500 + just for FS.

Kiyah = won't do oral decent looking but always I mean always late you could charge $50 if your late I cannot partake.

Olivia = $300 but has demons and really won't do long oral.

I know this isn't what everyone gets charged as but guys I ask you even with extra $$ in your pocket why in the HELL are we paying over $300 I'm guilty but. $500 for shitty attitudes like ElL and every friend she brings is the same way?

Hope the info helps.

[QUOTE=Jannisary;6574747]I disagree. I can drive up to Springfield IL and get a nice to wonderful massage with full service from a beautiful 20 to mid 30's year old asian massage girl. You just have to read the forum on this board and figure out what place you want to check out. For whatever reason, the St. Louis market, even the Eastside spas, just suck anymore.

The major busts against massage parlors in St. Louis was quite a while ago but maybe that is still a factor. The spas on the MO side of the river all seem to be HJ only for the most part unless you happen to luck out. The city and suburbs seem to take a lot of effort in keeping the spas in check to a point. The Centreville spas on IL side of the river are mostly older, rougher, massage workers that I guess need to keep working and can't cut it in the bigger better markets. But can't those spas attract the younger better looking girls like in Springfield and other cities? Honestly, the last girl I saw at Kiku Spa in Decatur IL, and her coworkers I met afterwards were better looking and younger looking than most of the Centreville workers that I've met.

Are St. Louis area clients just cheaper? Are the regulations and LE presence in the St. Louis area just tougher? Are the "families" that run the St. Louis asian spas just not able to get younger, better, talent? Whatever it is, there is undeniably a difference and you can't blame that on some internet porn site.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Jannisary, but it's probably the cheap mongers in the area that keeps the younger, good looking girls away. The St Louis side of the river about the most you can hope for is a happy ending, and I think this is mostly an older girls place. But if guys weren't trying to hold the price down to 90's pricing, they might be able to bring in some younger girls. For $40 tips you can't expect 30 year olds. Over on the Illinois side, well these are full service joints. Many years ago I frequented the parlors up in Collinsville before the law came down on them and they moved to Centreville. On a couple occasions I was there just before lunch time and the girls there closed up shop and we went to a Chinese buffet nearby. They were there but didn't have a car. Well we ate lunch and talked and they kind of explained how the business worked. These full service girls would be working at parlors all over the country. They would work 3 months and be off 3 months. The 3 months they were off another girl would come and replace them. There was about a 3 year period that I had 2 favorites that were on opposite rotations, so one was always there. Both beautiful Korean girls probably high 20's to mid 30's, almost perfect tight bodies and nice implants but not overly done. I gave the 200 all in then sometimes I would go 240 and was treated like a pornstar. These two I took to lunch explained that they knew girls all around the country and when the boss needed another girl they just put out the word. Now when everything got shut down and they moved to Centreville it seemed like the same situation with good looking young girls rotating in regular. Now probably being in a repressed area kept a lot of the customers away. If they aren't kept somewhat busy they aren't going to get the better girls either. So cheap customers and slow business probably only draws the older girls trying to hang on. Better tips might bring better looking girls wich the word would get out and bring more customers.

Anyone try Emily Fantasy? Web [URL]https://emilyfunfantasy.com/[/URL] phone XXX-XXX-7766 advertise on RubRatings. Can't find much information.

[QUOTE=PicWalsh;6576449]Anyone try Emily Fantasy? Web [URL]https://emilyfunfantasy.com/[/URL] phone XXX-XXX-7766 advertise on RubRatings. Can't find much information.[/QUOTE]Where is she located? Her license is California, but nothing else indicates where she is located. Everything also refers to "we" it is a group or just her? I would be leery in thinking she was in STL.

[QUOTE=Maddog72;6575908]Vixens = good value.

Parker = Best in STL for consistent service and great attitude $300.

Dianne = great body $350.

Scarlett = great massage great service slightly older than I want to pay for $300.

Vee = Big as fuck nowadays $300 I can't do it.

Zianna = Good looking Alt / Lesbo look but not the best attitude kinda bithcy once told me I was late and went off and I told her to look at phone she told me wrong time I was early actually.

Angels = GPS.

Ell = Major GPS and crappy attitude $500.

Elsa = when she works best on planet for $350 sweet girl best body every.

Carly = $350 hot body but thinks alot of herself.

Erin = $400 good body good attitude service so so, on SA she wants $500 ??

Rachel = $400 nice girl NO curves at skinny as a rail doesn't work for me.

Cambria = Weird and GPS $500 + just for FS.

Kiyah = won't do oral decent looking but always I mean always late you could charge $50 if your late I cannot partake.

Olivia = $300 but has demons and really won't do long oral.

I know this isn't what everyone gets charged as but guys I ask you even with extra $$ in your pocket why in the HELL are we paying over $300 I'm guilty but. $500 for shitty attitudes like ElL and every friend she brings is the same way?

Hope the info helps.[/QUOTE]Eden is consistent, hot, friendly, and very consistent!; one, if not the best in STL!

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6576844]Eden is consistent, hot, friendly, and very consistent!; one, if not the best in STL![/QUOTE]Let's all line up at the door of Eden and Lilia! According to all the BS, they seem to be the only 2 that are legit!!

Got to be a scam or bait / switch right? I googled the photos and didn't get a match but this one can't be real.

[URL]https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/mature-ginger-milf-37395.html[/URL]

Curious if anyone actually got in to see Kimmie on her one day stint with the Angels earlier in August? She'd be a nice addition to this list.

[QUOTE=Maddog72;6575908]Vixens = good value.

Parker = Best in STL for consistent service and great attitude $300.

Dianne = great body $350.

Scarlett = great massage great service slightly older than I want to pay for $300.

Vee = Big as fuck nowadays $300 I can't do it.

Zianna = Good looking Alt / Lesbo look but not the best attitude kinda bithcy once told me I was late and went off and I told her to look at phone she told me wrong time I was early actually.

Angels = GPS.

Ell = Major GPS and crappy attitude $500.

Elsa = when she works best on planet for $350 sweet girl best body every.

Carly = $350 hot body but thinks alot of herself.

Erin = $400 good body good attitude service so so, on SA she wants $500 ??

Rachel = $400 nice girl NO curves at skinny as a rail doesn't work for me.

Cambria = Weird and GPS $500 + just for FS.

Kiyah = won't do oral decent looking but always I mean always late you could charge $50 if your late I cannot partake.

Olivia = $300 but has demons and really won't do long oral.

I know this isn't what everyone gets charged as but guys I ask you even with extra $$ in your pocket why in the HELL are we paying over $300 I'm guilty but. $500 for shitty attitudes like ElL and every friend she brings is the same way?

Hope the info helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jfouquet;6577563]Got to be a scam or bait / switch right? I googled the photos and didn't get a match but this one can't be real.

[URL]https://www.rubrankings.com/united-states/missouri/st-louis/bodyrubs/body-rubs/mature-ginger-milf-37395.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Doesn't look legit to me.

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6576844]Eden is consistent, hot, friendly, and very consistent!; one, if not the best in STL![/QUOTE]I know I'll get blasted for this, but I did not have a good experience with Eden, and another member concurred that she was lacking too. I don't doubt that.

You guys build a relationship with her, and she's cool. But I'm not willing to throw away 1 k, getting her to warm up. As another member put it, it felt like going into a dentist's office.

Although she is hot as hell to look at, her attitude was cold, mechanical and rushed. I tried to lighten things up with humor (tasteful) but she wasn't having it. Not even a smile. I actually booked another appointment with her because of all the hoopla and when I got up to her apt, I asked her one question about a service, (not even kinky or weird in the least) and she flipped out on me and berated me. I turned around and booked.

I noticed you left off Reanne and Ember from the Angels. I've heard great things about Reanne, and I saw Ember recently, and yes she's a little odd, but cute as hell and the BBBJ and tease was great.

[QUOTE=Rickstr352;6577244]Let's all line up at the door of Eden and Lilia! According to all the BS, they seem to be the only 2 that are legit!![/QUOTE]Can't recommend everyone, but Parker and Savanna are both worth seeing also. Always excellent!

[QUOTE=SkeeWurt;6577705]I know I'll get blasted for this, but I did not have a good experience with Eden, and another member concurred that she was lacking too. I don't doubt that.

You guys build a relationship with her, and she's cool. But I'm not willing to throw away 1 k, getting her to warm up. As another member put it, it felt like going into a dentist's office.

Although she is hot as hell to look at, her attitude was cold, mechanical and rushed. I tried to lighten things up with humor (tasteful) but she wasn't having it. Not even a smile. I actually booked another appointment with her because of all the hoopla and when I got up to her apt, I asked her one question about a service, (not even kinky or weird in the least) and she flipped out on me and berated me. I turned around and booked.

I noticed you left off Reanne and Ember from the Angels. I've heard great things about Reanne, and I saw Ember recently, and yes she's a little odd, but cute as hell and the BBBJ and tease was great.[/QUOTE]YMMV with any of the providers. I have always enjoyed Eden, but chemistry is everything. I have not seen Reanne or Ember, but it sounds like I should plan a visit to them in the future.

[QUOTE=SkeeWurt;6577705]I know I'll get blasted for this, but I did not have a good experience with Eden, and another member concurred that she was lacking too. I don't doubt that.

You guys build a relationship with her, and she's cool. But I'm not willing to throw away 1 k, getting her to warm up. As another member put it, it felt like going into a dentist's office.

Although she is hot as hell to look at, her attitude was cold, mechanical and rushed. I tried to lighten things up with humor (tasteful) but she wasn't having it. Not even a smile. I actually booked another appointment with her because of all the hoopla and when I got up to her apt, I asked her one question about a service, (not even kinky or weird in the least) and she flipped out on me and berated me. I turned around and booked.

I noticed you left off Reanne and Ember from the Angels. I've heard great things about Reanne, and I saw Ember recently, and yes she's a little odd, but cute as hell and the BBBJ and tease was great.[/QUOTE]I was contemplating seeing Eden again as I had a good time a few months ago, but now after reading this I may be reconsidering. Granted, I did just do a QV with her, but the whole addage about the dentist office did ring a bell in memory. She *was* successful in making me pop with the CFS, which some have had difficulty with (Scarlett gave a good massage but she failed to make me pop, gave it two HE visits to try and nada, didn't feel like spending more on not a sure thing). I still haven't tried Destiny, or Parker.

[QUOTE=LloydXmas;6577596]Curious if anyone actually got in to see Kimmie on her one day stint with the Angels earlier in August? She'd be a nice addition to this list.[/QUOTE]Saw her and I posted about it, nice girl sweet attitude BUT GPS $500 for FS wants nothing to do with regular massage and that's for a half hour, I should've bailed when I saw Ell walk in also they are friends and we all know that every friend ELL brings is GPS also, Kimmie has great perky tits and zero I mean zero ass, as flat as they come, nice landing strip though I was there and thought with wrong head NO ORAL either for the $500 should've left thinking back on it oh well live and learn.

[QUOTE=SkeeWurt;6577705]I know I'll get blasted for this, but I did not have a good experience with Eden, and another member concurred that she was lacking too. I don't doubt that.

You guys build a relationship with her, and she's cool. But I'm not willing to throw away 1 k, getting her to warm up. As another member put it, it felt like going into a dentist's office.

Although she is hot as hell to look at, her attitude was cold, mechanical and rushed. I tried to lighten things up with humor (tasteful) but she wasn't having it. Not even a smile. I actually booked another appointment with her because of all the hoopla and when I got up to her apt, I asked her one question about a service, (not even kinky or weird in the least) and she flipped out on me and berated me. I turned around and booked.

I noticed you left off Reanne and Ember from the Angels. I've heard great things about Reanne, and I saw Ember recently, and yes she's a little odd, but cute as hell and the BBBJ and tease was great.[/QUOTE]I've reviewed Eden favorably in past but everyone will have different experiences. People don't deserve to be berated but I still like her because she doesn't have schedule issues like most.

I was recently berated by a person on west coast for picking up her dropped drinking glass. Was funny to hear "leave it there. You're getting a fingerprint on it. And your hand germs now too. Don't EVER pick up my glass or touch it!
I'm laying there thinking, "wow, this lady is nuts. What if she stabs me laying face down." and in San Diego forum she's well reviewed. So I can relate to your experience entirely. Here I was trying to be nice and pick something up off floor and it began a tirade for 10 minutes. She later apologized via text saying she was having a bad day. I replied it wasn't a problem. She also asked that I not share the incident with her name in any review so I agreed, the fool I am. Her apology was hollow for that reason. Sometimes people just have bad days but there's no excuse to be lectured either by anyone. The lady in CA is still top reviewed and Im wondering what set her off over a plastic drinking cup. She’s top reviewed, everyone adores her, raves and raves but I just don’t get it.. so I relate to your experience but with a different person in CA .

Some others that are great in my opinion: lilia, Diana (possibly best LMT massage ever for me), Scarlett, Megan (tied with Diana for best massage, very therapeutic easily LMTIm a bit scared of her area but thats only me)), Jenny STC IF you can get scheduled (absolutely spectacular body). Angela from stc is polarizing but I thought she did an amazing massage and I had a great experience. Others will differ in their experiences which is why I didn't do a review. I still recommend a session with angela but with caveat of reading other reviews first.

[QUOTE=CoMoTgr;6576778]Where is she located? Her license is California, but nothing else indicates where she is located. Everything also refers to "we" it is a group or just her? I would be leery in thinking she was in STL.[/QUOTE]Contacted her and she wanted a 50% deposit. That's a deal breaker for me.

[QUOTE=SkeeWurt;6577705]I know I'll get blasted for this, but I did not have a good experience with Eden, and another member concurred that she was lacking too. I don't doubt that.

You guys build a relationship with her, and she's cool. But I'm not willing to throw away 1 k, getting her to warm up. As another member put it, it felt like going into a dentist's office.

Although she is hot as hell to look at, her attitude was cold, mechanical and rushed. I tried to lighten things up with humor (tasteful) but she wasn't having it. Not even a smile. I actually booked another appointment with her because of all the hoopla and when I got up to her apt, I asked her one question about a service, (not even kinky or weird in the least) and she flipped out on me and berated me. I turned around and booked.

I noticed you left off Reanne and Ember from the Angels. I've heard great things about Reanne, and I saw Ember recently, and yes she's a little odd, but cute as hell and the BBBJ and tease was great.[/QUOTE]I never post here, but worth mentioning had a similar situation with her recently. Have had several prior enjoyable visits with her but my most recent was cold. She is hot, but this was a dealbreaker for me.

[QUOTE=SkeeWurt;6577705]I know I'll get blasted for this, but I did not have a good experience with Eden, and another member concurred that she was lacking too. I don't doubt that.

You guys build a relationship with her, and she's cool. But I'm not willing to throw away 1 k, getting her to warm up. As another member put it, it felt like going into a dentist's office.

Although she is hot as hell to look at, her attitude was cold, mechanical and rushed. I tried to lighten things up with humor (tasteful) but she wasn't having it. Not even a smile. I actually booked another appointment with her because of all the hoopla and when I got up to her apt, I asked her one question about a service, (not even kinky or weird in the least) and she flipped out on me and berated me. I turned around and booked.

I noticed you left off Reanne and Ember from the Angels. I've heard great things about Reanne, and I saw Ember recently, and yes she's a little odd, but cute as hell and the BBBJ and tease was great.[/QUOTE]I saw her once several years ago as Angel with Lake's former outfit. Yes, she was hot, but the cold attitude was enough to not repeat. I've been tempted to see her as Eden based on all of the positive reviews, but glad others have shared their disappointing visits. I would rather see someone who has average looks and body, but is enthusiastic and makes me feel like they're glad to see me.

I don't like her huge fake tits. The End.

I was in contact with her on P411, and went to several places to look at pics. You guy all say she's hot as hell, well you got to be into fake tits or she's not hot as hell.

And now if there's even a remote chemistry issue then that's what made me write her off.

No big deal, I just wanted to offer another reason why some might not be into her.

[QUOTE=Slimpicker;6580428]I don't like her huge fake tits. The End.

I was in contact with her on P411, and went to several places to look at pics. You guy all say she's hot as hell, well you got to be into fake tits or she's not hot as hell.

And now if there's even a remote chemistry issue then that's what made me write her off.

No big deal, I just wanted to offer another reason why some might not be into her.[/QUOTE]I like Eden and find her company and services to be enjoyable, and others may have their opinions. In life there are women we find a connection with, those we choose to date, those we choose to marry, and those we choose to pass by. In all fairness to Eden and others we discuss let's try to realize we all, both sides included are looking for a temporary respite from our everyday lives. If the connection isn't there for whatever reason, leave it at that. Eden runs a business as most of us all do, if the service is not up to one's expectations, there are others to see. It is unfair to continue to bad mouth someone in a YMMV environment; and let others make that decision. Eden and other fine women in the area and passing through will always be my preferred choices, and yes there have been bad experiences, and those I will not see again.

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6580467]I like Eden and find her company and services to be enjoyable, and others may have their opinions. In life there are women we find a connection with, those we choose to date, those we choose to marry, and those we choose to pass by. In all fairness to Eden and others we discuss let's try to realize we all, both sides included are looking for a temporary respite from our everyday lives. If the connection isn't there for whatever reason, leave it at that. Eden runs a business as most of us all do, if the service is not up to one's expectations, there are others to see. It is unfair to continue to bad mouth someone in a YMMV environment; and let others make that decision. Eden and other fine women in the area and passing through will always be my preferred choices, and yes there have been bad experiences, and those I will not see again.[/QUOTE]I wasn't downing her for any other reason than she's not 'my' type body wise. I have no business judging her in any other way because I've never seen her.

[QUOTE=Slimpicker;6580428]I don't like her huge fake tits. The End.

I was in contact with her on P411, and went to several places to look at pics. You guy all say she's hot as hell, well you got to be into fake tits or she's not hot as hell.

And now if there's even a remote chemistry issue then that's what made me write her off.

No big deal, I just wanted to offer another reason why some might not be into her.[/QUOTE]Despite many of my reviews. I'll never quite understand (personally) why gals get implants. I just don't like implants, but I will still positively review people with implants if they're great people during the sessions. A nice personality goes a long way during any visits and it works both ways normally.

The best "natural" people I've heard about, dreamt about, or maybe saw. Are renee Valkyrie, Asian Megan, Jenny, Scarlett, and that's oddly pretty much it. I've visited other natural people that are now retired so won't mention them.

I'm intrigued by destiny and Jessica lee as I think they don't have implants, but I've never seen them. I literally see almost zero feedback on Jessica lee except she needs personal information maybe.

Everyone has their opinion and are entitled to it. It had been a long while since I saw Eden (due to my office moving to a less convenient location). I scheduled with her and saw her about 2 weeks ago. I love everything about the experience. It's easy to set up, she's responsive, she's always on time.

I agree that she has a routine, but in my humble opinion, she is hot and I enjoy her routine. I have always had a good time, I've never felt rushed or unsafe.

I don't think she is unlike any other provider. They all open up and get more comfortable the more they see you. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. I'm happy my office is moving again, so I can see her more regularly.

Again that's just my opinion and experience.

[QUOTE=Slimpicker;6580428]I don't like her huge fake tits. The End.

I was in contact with her on P411, and went to several places to look at pics. You guy all say she's hot as hell, well you got to be into fake tits or she's not hot as hell.

And now if there's even a remote chemistry issue then that's what made me write her off.

No big deal, I just wanted to offer another reason why some might not be into her.[/QUOTE]

In town to visit my brother, he suggested Sumer, bad choice, she is all over the place some guy, taking her appts. Not good, my brother may not se her again, nothing good anyway, but strange shit going on on she is gone down hill, no extras maybe a good thing.

[QUOTE=KatChaser;6581485]In town to visit my brother, he suggested Sumer, bad choice, she is all over the place some guy, taking her appts. Not good, my brother may not se her again, nothing good anyway, but strange shit going on on she is gone down hill, no extras maybe a good thing.[/QUOTE][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/summer-desire[/URL]

I kinda thought it was a dude to begin with.

What kind of references is she seeking? I've so far seen Eden and Scarlet, though it's been a long while for both. Is that mainly what she needs-name recognition?

[QUOTE=KatChaser;6581485]In town to visit my brother, he suggested Sumer, bad choice, she is all over the place some guy, taking her appts. Not good, my brother may not se her again, nothing good anyway, but strange shit going on on she is gone down hill, no extras maybe a good thing.[/QUOTE]There's a few Summers. Which one did you see?