"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=OliverNP;5903122]I normally don't spend time complaining about it or debating it. [/QUOTE]LMAO! Really? You just posted about the high prices of SBs ad nauseum!

[QUOTE] I have no shortage of cash, or girls interested in seeing me for minimal amounts.[/QUOTE]Really? Then why the big fuss about SB pricing!

[QUOTE] Prior to the pandemic (which by my choice, put a hold on my sugaring), I've gotten overnight freebies from girls I've seen others post on USASG complaining about same girl is quoting them $1. 5 k, so I already know where my game stands relative to others.[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight. You have plenty of dough but you want to complain about SB prices. And, you get girls for free (because you are such an amazing stud?) that others have to drop a kilo and a half for? There is a phrase for that: full of shit!

[QUOTE] In the lions analogy I'm exactly where I want to be and where many would like to be. I've seen some of the pics posted here -- one man's treasure is often a girl who couldn't pay me enough to fuck her.[/QUOTE]Easy to talk the talk. Try walking the walk. Post some pics of your current SBs and we shall be the judge of your incredibly good taste.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5903829]LMAO! Really? You just posted about the high prices of SBs ad nauseum!

Really? Then why the big fuss about SB pricing!

So let me get this straight. You have plenty of dough but you want to complain about SB prices. And, you get girls for free (because you are such an amazing stud?) that others have to drop a kilo and a half for? There is a phrase for that: full of shit!

Easy to talk the talk. Try walking the walk. Post some pics of your current SBs and we shall be the judge of your incredibly good taste.[/QUOTE]You're still not paying attention. Someone asked a question and I answered it. I wasn't complaining about prices. Someone asked if there was any evidence of something and I provided anecdotal evidence. I have no desire to share anything with trolls like you, including pics of SBs who I doubt would want to be posted to hooker board anyway. I can tell by the pics you've posted, you are no where close to operating in the same league I am. That's some seriously nasty looking snatch you're picking up with all your "player" techniques there. LOL.

Anyway don't expect any further replies from me. Feeding trolls is a waste of time.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5903813]Are you talking someone you've been seeing wanting more? Or that you are dealing with a POT and she wants crazy amounts? I never never talk $ w / a girl electronically, only face-to-face. This blog is great evidence that people are way more bold when they have the anonymity of the internet. In person, no girl wants to be rejected, and she'll take a more reasonable amount. Negotiating this way also makes her feel less like she's a pro.[/QUOTE]The girls I was referring to are girls I've seen in the past in a given city that I don't frequent particularly often (I travel a lot, to some cities more than others but sometimes I accumulate numbers of favorite girls in particular cities, which are nice to have in a pinch if I have a one-nighter in that town or whatever). In other words I haven't seen them in some time like maybe 6 months or a year. The inflation scenario I described never happens when I'm actively fucking them, only if I lose contact then try to reconnect later. It could also be, to some degree, a response to the fact that I haven't called them in ages.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5903829]LMAO! Really? You just posted about the high prices of SBs ad nauseum!

Really? Then why the big fuss about SB pricing!

So let me get this straight. You have plenty of dough but you want to complain about SB prices. And, you get girls for free (because you are such an amazing stud?) that others have to drop a kilo and a half for? There is a phrase for that: full of shit!

Easy to talk the talk. Try walking the walk. Post some pics of your current SBs and we shall be the judge of your incredibly good taste.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OliverNP;5903925]You're still not paying attention. Someone asked a question and I answered it. I wasn't complaining about prices. Someone asked if there was any evidence of something and I provided anecdotal evidence. I have no desire to share anything with trolls like you, including pics of SBs who I doubt would want to be posted to hooker board anyway. I can tell by the pics you've posted, you are no where close to operating in the same league I am. That's some seriously nasty looking snatch you're picking up with all your "player" techniques there. LOL.

Anyway don't expect any further replies from me. Feeding trolls is a waste of time.[/QUOTE]He's not a troll. He's provided a LOT of info that requires substantial effort to type up and share. I agree with him that you're contradictory in your posts and stated motivation. I don't think his posted pictures look "nasty. " Posting pics is a personal choice for sure, but it I find it difficult to believe you're operating in any sort of league that beats his. The truth is, most people on here don't compete that way, so if there's a troll under this bridge, I don't think it's PartyTimeGuy.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;5901792]Yet another dummy. That would be me - falls for it.

After years of being careful, one momentary lapse of reasoning and she got me. Dang.

Maybe someone here can learn from my mistake.

Signed.

Dumbass.

Details [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?23844-Philly-Sugar&p=5901769&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5901769.[/QUOTE]We all, from time to time, suffer lapses in judgement or just decide to take a chance. I feel for you brother. However, I think we all could benefit from hearing what story she spun that lured you in and lowered your defenses. Can you share more details?

BAM.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5903943]He's not a troll. He's provided a LOT of info that requires substantial effort to type up and share. I agree with him that you're contradictory in your posts and stated motivation. I don't think his posted pictures look "nasty. " Posting pics is a personal choice for sure, but it I find it difficult to believe you're operating in any sort of league that beats his. The truth is, most people on here don't compete that way, so if there's a troll under this bridge, I don't think it's PartyTimeGuy.[/QUOTE]Fortunately for me, I couldn't care less what you think. I will say agree with what I think you're suggesting about this board not needing to be about competition, but I don't come here to compete or compare and I'm not going to spend time on the forum warrior bullshit other than to let someone know that they're dismissed from my replies. So include yourself on that list going forward.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5903943]He's not a troll. He's provided a LOT of info that requires substantial effort to type up and share. I agree with him that you're contradictory in your posts and stated motivation. I don't think his posted pictures look "nasty. " Posting pics is a personal choice for sure, but it I find it difficult to believe you're operating in any sort of league that beats his. The truth is, most people on here don't compete that way, so if there's a troll under this bridge, I don't think it's PartyTimeGuy.[/QUOTE]C'Mon. Now why'all. I don't think anybody is trolling anybody, just differences in opinion on scoring pussy. Everyone can agree to disagree and move on. Gezzz. Actually, it's some best Shit I've read on here in a long time! My question to Mr. Partytime dude, being an experienced SD (older?) gentleman, I've read your in the wild posts which I find somewhat informative and amusing, the question is, when hunting in the wild do you have SD business card w / contact info and the tag line "lets talk about a mutual beneficial arrangement" you hand out? I just have this visualization of some out of place looking older dude cruising through a college campus talking to chicks (maybe handing out business cards) not saying you do that, it just seems creepy to me.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;5903994]Fortunately for me, I couldn't care less what you think. I will say agree with what I think you're suggesting about this board not needing to be about competition, but I don't come here to compete or compare and I'm not going to spend time on the forum warrior bullshit other than to let someone know that they're dismissed from my replies. So include yourself on that list going forward.[/QUOTE]So noted. LOL. Nothing unusual about that attitude. I see it all the time. Of course, not from anyone that really has any hot SB's jumping on their dick, but that's just my observation.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5903796]Everyone is fishing in their own bowl. IDK where you are, but there are plenty of people in the locales where I read sugar threads, west coast, Atlanta, this one, who say that they get an initial request for a kilobuck from a girl, and they can negotiate her down to something reasonable. Maybe it isn't like that with the girls you target in your area, but that doesn't mean it is so everywhere. This thread of course includes the Richmond area but has also become the de facto national sugar thread. I definitely haven't seen rates to up by that much in the 4 years I have been on the site. There are always girls who have a glorious opinion about what they are worth, but I still find reasonable women in southern California. I could have my pick of many many desirable Caucasian girls if I were willing to part with 2 K / mo for weekly meetups. I can't quite do that much anymore, hiding that level of expenditure is challenging.[/QUOTE]I think most here can remember when we first discovered Calli Koa on YT and TT posting videos encouraging women to join sugar sites by telling them they could make thousands a month just by texting with lonely rich men. It was kind of ugly that she told her acolytes that, yes, you have to pretend to be willing to meet eventually. It seemed pretty obvious to me that she was a shill of some kind being paid to drive female traffic to the sugar sites. At one point, she started bad-mouthing the seeking site and pumping up the others. I interpreted that as the seeking site either refusing a request for money or cutting her off after making some payments. For a significant time, her videos led to a huge surge of women joining who had unreal expectations. All that happened about the time OF was just starting to grow. As far as I can tell, that wave has died and the women joining are getting back to normal ideas. There is an exception: SA is now apparently trying to compete with AM. I don't mind: some of the older ones are still hot and I just offer them a no allowance deal.

As for pricing, I make a lot of offers (carefully to avoid banning) as a method to get women to agree to a MnG. My approach will not work for everybody but it lets me gauge the market based on acceptance rates. I started in the sugar bowl when Hollywood Guy was preaching the $100/meet method. I was never in his class but I had a lot of success at the 150 level. Over the last ten years rates have slowly been creeping up (or I have just started targeting much hotter women.) Recently, about halfway through covid, there was a significant jump. For a long period, I could only garner interest in my market at the 300-400 level and occasionally surging to 500 for the hottest ones. Over the last few months, again only speaking for my market, SB expectations have definitely softened. I have gotten five acceptances this week alone at the monthly equivalent of 200/ meet. I will try to get them to MnG's where I will either adjust my offer or find an excuse to lose interest.

My market analysis is based on real offers to real women. It does not address any women who may start low and move higher. It also does not deny the existence of whales. They are out there. I had an SB who was seeing me weekly at 400 and she was extremely hot. She ghosted me and suddenly her social media was featuring pictures of her in exotic locales and flashing new clothes/shoes. I think we all know how that happened. I do not begrudge her and I certainly do not blame him. If I was swimming in dough, it would certainly change my behavior. The reason I can shrug and move on is also taken from HG: it's a numbers game. You cannot get too obsessed over any one POT/SB. The bowl refills itself all the time. Any single opportunity is like a city bus. If you miss one, another is coming soon. I cannot recall who said it first, but I also strongly believe another of the truisms: everyone finds the sugar bowl they are looking for. If you are not happy with what you are finding, look within not at the bowl.

Sorry for the lengthy rant but I find the topic fascinating and the purpose of this forum is to help each other find hot young women for sex!

BAM.

[QUOTE=Wysiwug;5904036]C'Mon. Now why'all. I don't think anybody is trolling anybody, just differences in opinion on scoring pussy. Everyone can agree to disagree and move on. Gezzz. Actually, it's some best Shit I've read on here in a long time! My question to Mr. Partytime dude, being an experienced SD (older?) gentleman, I've read your in the wild posts which I find somewhat informative and amusing, the question is, when hunting in the wild do you have SD business card w / contact info and the tag line "lets talk about a mutual beneficial arrangement" you hand out? I just have this visualization of some out of place looking older dude cruising through a college campus talking to chicks (maybe handing out business cards) not saying you do that, it just seems creepy to me.[/QUOTE]I understand why you might feel that way. Recruiting SBs in the wild is not for everyone. But it doesn't have to be creepy. It is mostly taking advantage of situations in which you find yourself. Perhaps some recent examples will illustrate what I mean:

[B]Easy Prey[/B]: I shared recently my club scenario. I was nursing a drink and enjoying the fantastic beat of Danza Kuduro blaring through the speakers, when a sweet young thing bounced by, gyrating and clapping her hands in the air and started to hip bump me. I hip bumped her back and she started to laugh and meet my gaze. When the music stopped I offered her a drink and we went to the bar. I complimented her on her enthusiastic energy and rhythm and she gave me a knowing smile. I asked questions among many things about what she did for work (waitress), her intoxicating scent (Bombshell), the natural beauty of her dark brunette hair, where she lived, where she would like to live, what she most enjoyed out of life, what she would do if there were no financial barriers and ultimately, had she ever thought about having a SD. When I asked this question, I used a tried and true body language technique: I leaned back away from her, as to appear less threatening and said it playfully so as not to seem creepy or arrogant. She half-laughed, bit her lip and peered up at me to make direct eye contact and see if this was for real. My face and my eyes were smiling and I let the silence rule until she spoke and said, "Actually, I have. " I said, "Let's talk in private,. " I steered her to a remote corner of the club and we negotiated a first meet, similarly to any M&G one would have from a sugar site. I will fill you in on this later as it will be imminent.

[B]Spot and Stalk[/B] : I passed by an outdoor cafe. A black girl was sitting there sipping a coffee. I asked her why such a gorgeous girl was sitting here all alone. Now she wasn't gorgeous, and maybe wasn't even "alone" (I thought she probably had a BF or 2), but she smiled and was willing to engage in some banter. Five minutes later I was inviting myself to join her for coffee. She was bright, engaging and actually quite witty. I eventually moved the conversation to the SB discussion and she gave me what I can only describe as a wicked grin, like she had been waiting for that proposal her whole life. We negotiated for a first get together. We agreed on a future date and time and I suggested a very nice hotel as I wanted to impress her. This will be an interesting one.

[B]Multiple Targets[/B]: I was gambling at a casino and went to one of their eateries for lunch. They had table and counter seating. I saw an empty seat at the crowded counter / bar and sat there. To my right was a nice looking woman about my age. To my left was a 30 year old (a fact I soon discovered). I ordered a drink: a Malibu Bay Breeze. The 30 year old said: " I wouldn't have figured you for that type of drink. " I said, "I ordered a drink when playing craps once upon a time, and they brought me the wrong one, and it was one of these. I liked it so much that it is now one of my favorites. " She asked, "Do you play craps a lot? I laughed. "The Casino must think so because they gave me this card (the highest ranked player card in the casino). She said,. "How do I get one of those?" I replied, "Oh, you just take out a second mortgage on your house and spend it all here. " She laughed. She was smiling. Her friend next to her was a 40 something and was clearly wanting in on this conversation too. I included her: "Are you two sisters?" They laughed. "No, we work together. We are bartenders at the. ". "Oh, wow! My absolute favorite drink is a Bloody Mary, but nobody seems to make it the way I like it. "We make a terrific Bloody Mary. " "Tell me more. What do you put in it?

So the conversation went on warm and friendly like this for quite some time. Both the 30 year old and her friend gave me all kinds of non-verbal flirting cues. I gave them verbal flirting cues (women flirt non-verbally but expect men to flirt verbally). I told them a story about a bartender who gave me a cold cup of coffee (true story) and I jokingly called her over and told her that I understand that you were rushed this one time, but if you do that again I will have to take you in the back and give you a spanking. She replied "I might like it. " They roared. This is the way you need to flirt verbally: insinuate but make it about someone else so it is non-threatening to them. The woman to my right was clearly huffed that I had ignored her completely in favor of the two to my left. I made a comic grimace to the 30/40 pair as if to recognize this and they chuckled. We got on the subject of horoscopes. They wanted to know mine. I made them guess. I guessed theirs (I am interested in this and have several tricks which lead me to the answer; that is the subject of a different discussion entirely; I got a big fat first clue when I found out that the 30 something was actually turning 30 soon) They were extremely impressed and interested in how I did that. I told them in a way that was very flattering to each of them personally. The bartender behind the counter wanted in. She wanted me to guess her sign too: which I did, to the amazement of all 3.

This went on and on. The point is that, even when there is a significant age difference, women love when a man has interesting things to say, can be confident but also self deprecating in a playful way, sincerely compliments them, can be funny without being a jokester, can flirt in a non-threatening way and can carry a conversation with a focus on them without that being too obvious. The bottom line is that I got their schedule at the bar and I will go there to banter some more and eventually pop the SB question to one or both of them (we will see how it plays out; the 40 something might be a freebie, LOL). I will also return to the casino bar and do the same to that 20 something bartender. I would be very surprised if I don't bat 1. 000 all around on this one.

I hope these examples illustrate what I am talking about.

Seems like you would be inviting a ban or suspension for "sex for money".

[QUOTE=Happtrav;5903563]I have encountered lots of POTS, that go silent after the first text.

They will text "Hi", "Yes" then will never be heard from again.

Should I just text a number eg: 500 to see their reaction?[/QUOTE]

Do you see these SA profiles w / the word 'paypig' in them? Who in the world would respond to one of those girls? IK I am a skeptic about the presence of 'simps' in the sugar world.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5884977]I've been chatting with this one, she's willing to come to DC but I thought I'd do my homework first and found this post. Something tells me there is more to the story. LOL.[/QUOTE]How did it turn out, did she ever make the trip up here, if so damage and how did it go.

[QUOTE=Scorpio22;5853060]I've been on her ever since she first showed up and still message her regularly. She hasn't so much as responded to me once. What got her to respond to you?[/QUOTE]LOL...She's picky but I've been seeing since she was about 18 turning 19...also, I know how to talk to women. That's the only thing I can think of. I'm not saying you don't but generally speaking, my success with SA is that I know how to talk the game and I also bring something different that I know a lot of dudes aren't bringing up when speaking to them.

Bambam,

I have been good about scammers for many years.

What got me in this case was her (maybe his) willingness to walk away. When I said no, he / she was like "fine, I offer a great value, I host. You will save money... Bye".

Normally, scammers stay with it, keep trying to convince you. See attachment for the exact text. There is nothing to identify her there, should be safe to share.

Lesson Learned.

[QUOTE=BamBam;5903965]We all, from time to time, suffer lapses in judgement or just decide to take a chance. I feel for you brother. However, I think we all could benefit from hearing what story she spun that lured you in and lowered your defenses. Can you share more details?

BAM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FTP1999;5906769]Bambam,

I have been good about scammers for many years.

What got me in this case was her (maybe his) willingness to walk away. When I said no, he / she was like "fine, I offer a great value, I host. You will save money... Bye".

Normally, scammers stay with it, keep trying to convince you. See attachment for the exact text. There is nothing to identify her there, should be safe to share.

Lesson Learned.[/QUOTE]Don't fall for negative psychology. No legitimate provider wants money up front, or, if she does, she isn't worth the aggravation anyway. NEVER EVER pay a SB until the panties hit the floor. You have all the power. The money is in your wallet until she delivers.

You mentioned that you paid for this with PayPal. In that case your scammer was stupid. Get your money back. Dispute the charge. The seller has 10 days to respond. No response? You get your money back. If this "seller" responds and says the charge is legitimate, escalate it to a claim. Your "seller" will have no proof that they delivered a product or service, and it is very highly unlikely this seller will have registered for seller protection like a legitimate seller would.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf4b5c07-4b09-4707-b3c8-642d64df856a[/URL] - curious about the time stamp on her profile photo. 1998?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f75d280c-a8db-41a3-8ed7-4bdb79afba45[/URL] - pretty sure her eyes are brown in the profile photo and not in the next one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce19609c-5933-4750-a664-931d7f017a39[/URL] - finally got minimal engagement. But worried about showing her face too soon, even if we text.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9939faf4-1bfa-4183-ac76-9635dd4a7f74[/URL] - finally a reply, but little more.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5906810]Don't fall for negative psychology. No legitimate provider wants money up front, or, if she does, she isn't worth the aggravation anyway. NEVER EVER pay a SB until the panties hit the floor. You have all the power. The money is in your wallet until she delivers.

You mentioned that you paid for this with PayPal. In that case your scammer was stupid. Get your money back. Dispute the charge. The seller has 10 days to respond. No response? You get your money back. If this "seller" responds and says the charge is legitimate, escalate it to a claim. Your "seller" will have no proof that they delivered a product or service, and it is very highly unlikely this seller will have registered for seller protection like a legitimate seller would.[/QUOTE]That was not a correct statement about a refund in this case. Not knowing how the payment was made and I'm just speculating; I'm pretty confident that most likely the scammer used and received the payment through a Peer to Peer system, PayPal's or any other fund transfer app that offers peer to Peer like Zell or Venmo which offers no consumer protection like using a credit card. If your Peer to Peer payment was possibly linked to a credit card you could possibly make fraudulent claim to the card company telling them you thought you were getting vagina but got a dick instead. Any way you look at it, I doubt very seriously you will be able to request a refund or make a fraud claim for loss. Basically you are SOL..

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5906969][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf4b5c07-4b09-4707-b3c8-642d64df856a[/URL] - curious about the time stamp on her profile photo. 1998?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f75d280c-a8db-41a3-8ed7-4bdb79afba45[/URL] - pretty sure her eyes are brown in the profile photo and not in the next one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce19609c-5933-4750-a664-931d7f017a39[/URL] - finally got minimal engagement. But worried about showing her face too soon, even if we text.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9939faf4-1bfa-4183-ac76-9635dd4a7f74[/URL] - finally a reply, but little more.[/QUOTE]Have been chatting with the third one. Nice enough person but is pretty firm on her stated age range. Rules us older guys out for now. I'm still trying though.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;5898552]Yes, you are over thinking. No idea why CBJ but I believe she may have had a brief time period her birth control had expired & she was being careful. The "procedure" I'm guessing was the thing that goes under the skin that provides three years of protection.

I know she has lost some regulars so she's probably looking for a few good men. As soon as she does she'll delete the long on SA again, I would bet. It's been well over a year since it was up before, I believe she lived in Charlottesville when she first joined, then moved to the Richmond area?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you know her, what would birth control have to due with CBJ? Did she do BBFS? That was a issue, we played BBBJ and CFS, then one day she told me all play was covered play and that has been going on for a year.

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5906969][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf4b5c07-4b09-4707-b3c8-642d64df856a[/URL] - curious about the time stamp on her profile photo. 1998?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f75d280c-a8db-41a3-8ed7-4bdb79afba45[/URL] - pretty sure her eyes are brown in the profile photo and not in the next one.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ce19609c-5933-4750-a664-931d7f017a39[/URL] - finally got minimal engagement. But worried about showing her face too soon, even if we text.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9939faf4-1bfa-4183-ac76-9635dd4a7f74[/URL] - finally a reply, but little more.[/QUOTE]The first one is a filter from one of the SM apps.

Seems pretty cool too. She's very busy and tough to schedule time with, but I will probably partake if we can ever work out a time / day.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c900295a-aaa4-404d-a295-3791298ed12f[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xaxado;5909208]Seems pretty cool too. She's very busy and tough to schedule time with, but I will probably partake if we can ever work out a time / day.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c900295a-aaa4-404d-a295-3791298ed12f[/URL][/QUOTE]Host?

Be careful. Does she still do this behind her BF?

Hosting might get you in trouble if that is still the case.

Always search forums first before you come to a conclusion.

[QUOTE=EscortReview89;5908729]Sounds like you know her, what would birth control have to due with CBJ? Did she do BBFS? That was a issue, we played BBBJ and CFS, then one day she told me all play was covered play and that has been going on for a year.[/QUOTE]Yes, I know her. Like always with any Baby, YMMV. No clue why she made you cover for a BJ, if it was a first. Maybe a cleanliness issue on your part? If your a regular like you claim, why don't you ask her? If your one of her regulars, you know she's easy to talk to & your helping out more than just her by giving her a regular allowance. She appreciates it IMHO.

For anyone who wants to see her, $300, great body, I think she's very pretty in a nerdy way. Hosts, great for anyone like me that doesn't want to spring for a hotel. Make your own contact through SA, if you can't afford to join, you can't afford to be a Daddy.

She's not shy, ask her what you want but be classy about it & you'll get the info you need. Please no white knights discussing my post. Freak'and Simps!

[QUOTE=EscortReview89;5896007]So I've been seeing this one SB for a while now and she started to add a lot of rules. We went from BBBJ to CBJ, and just limiting other activates while asking for money for "medical help for a procedure" which leads me to to think of one thing that involves BBFS / CIP or I might be overthinking it. Her seeking profile for reference, I know a few here have written about her, and I have as well. I can't help but think I might be getting played, has anyone else had this happen with a SB. Is she doing these same rules with others or am I getting the short end of the arrangement.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/992c9ab1-c412-4dc1-9628-0ac3f96f53dc[/URL][/QUOTE]She is fun - "proceedure" might well be the three year BC as she has been BBFS and CIP for a long time with me -- used to be in C'ville so I have not seen her for a while. Rather shy and quiet -- take her a drink to liven her up! Not on any monkey which is refreshing in itself!

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5910037]She is fun - "proceedure" might well be the three year BC as she has been BBFS and CIP for a long time with me -- used to be in C'ville so I have not seen her for a while. Rather shy and quiet -- take her a drink to liven her up! Not on any monkey which is refreshing in itself![/QUOTE]Really, I've been seeing her since before she moved for about 18 months and was always CFS, and BBBJ but recently changed to CBJ. While citing me for a steep amount. Damn, next you'll tell me she was doing greek on the regular.

[QUOTE=EscortReview89;5910182]Really, I've been seeing her since before she moved for about 18 months and was always CFS, and BBBJ but recently changed to CBJ. While citing me for a steep amount. Damn, next you'll tell me she was doing greek on the regular.[/QUOTE]I used to visit with her quite a bit, always BBBJ and never greek. She started CFS and I rolled with it- sort of "tell" which makes me nervous: high volume so playing it safe or maybe there is or has been an issue to make her change her ways. Cover sounds good at that point.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;5909735]Yes, I know her. Like always with any Baby, YMMV. No clue why she made you cover for a BJ, if it was a first. Maybe a cleanliness issue on your part? If your a regular like you claim, why don't you ask her? If your one of her regulars, you know she's easy to talk to & your helping out more than just her by giving her a regular allowance. She appreciates it IMHO.

For anyone who wants to see her, $300, great body, I think she's very pretty in a nerdy way. Hosts, great for anyone like me that doesn't want to spring for a hotel. Make your own contact through SA, if you can't afford to join, you can't afford to be a Daddy.

She's not shy, ask her what you want but be classy about it & you'll get the info you need. Please no white knights discussing my post. Freak'and Simps![/QUOTE]That was all true until lately, her reasoning was, she made everyone go covered due to a scare with a regular, and has been CBJ ever since. I never knew BBFS was on the table, I asked about that back in June 2020. She stopped being easy to talk to and ghosted me after she needed money for medical and bills, then I asked about going back to BBBJ and she freaked out and ghosted me. Out a nice bit of money, wish I knew she was 300. That would have saved me a bit too.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5896872]Specifically regarding the move from BBBJ to CBJ? IMHO she has another SD or BF and doesn't want to be spreading contagion and be blamed for it

In general, when a SB starts adding rules, she is making a move to control the situation because she thinks she can. You need to shut that down in a hurry. It will ultimately lead to a request for money (as your situation did), either for something real or just as an excuse to get more money. I had a SB once who asked for a "loan" to get her brother bailed out of jail. I knew I would never see her or that money ever again, or it would be the start of more requests, like I was her personal piggy bank. When I politely refused, she ghosted me forever after, proving my suspicion. She was thinking about leaving me anyway and wanted a going away present.

Women are very good at getting money from men: SBs, GFs whatever. If you are with a woman long enough she will be hinting after your wallet in some way or another: for gifts, favors or actual cash, especially if they think you have money to spread around, which SDs usually give their SBs the impression that they do. When that happens it is either time to be a sap or to pull in the reins and / or pull the plug. No matter how sweet and wonderful and sexually satisfying a SB is, there are plenty more where she came from.[/QUOTE]Well stated.

[QUOTE=EscortReview89;5910182]Really, I've been seeing her since before she moved for about 18 months and was always CFS, and BBBJ but recently changed to CBJ. While citing me for a steep amount. Damn, next you'll tell me she was doing greek on the regular.[/QUOTE]She has with a friend of mine. We did her in a threesome and he did it VERY slowly -- she enjoyed, but has had experiences not so good. - well you did ask!

[QUOTE=EscortReview89;5910648]That was all true until lately, her reasoning was, she made everyone go covered due to a scare with a regular, and has been CBJ ever since. I never knew BBFS was on the table, I asked about that back in June 2020. She stopped being easy to talk to and ghosted me after she needed money for medical and bills, then I asked about going back to BBBJ and she freaked out and ghosted me. Out a nice bit of money, wish I knew she was 300. That would have saved me a bit too.[/QUOTE]300 - never LOL I have never been more than 200 - and 100 for a QV once Now these were 3 years ago plus when she was in C'ville.

I had heard she had migrated to the 300 -- but unless you are there for multi-pops. She is not a 300 candidate in my book.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5910812]She has with a friend of mine. We did her in a threesome and he did it VERY slowly -- she enjoyed, but has had experiences not so good. - well you did ask![/QUOTE]She told me about that a MFM, we tried to set one up but she got really mad about it, and said how she doesn't really like them. I ask for BBFS and anal she said she doesn't do either but seems like that wasn't he whole truth.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5910818]300 - never LOL I have never been more than 200 - and 100 for a QV once Now these were 3 years ago plus when she was in C'ville.

I had heard she had migrated to the 300 -- but unless you are there for multi-pops. She is not a 300 candidate in my book.[/QUOTE]It's supply & demand. You want to get sticker shock? Try NoVa. $400 for homely Babies over weight, & no skills. $600-$1,000 for someone like LRF. I stopped even trying up there. Waste of time.

You saw LRF when last? Almost 1-1/2 to 2 years ago? Dude, gas was $2.00 & hamburger $3.00 a lb back then! LOL Insert political comment here! Ha, ha.

Bottom line. Once she hooks a couple of more regulars, she'll disappear again. I think the last time she was on SA was well over a year ago. She's not looking to feed a demon or buy designer purses, just keep a roof over her head, the lights on & food on the table.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;5911035]It's supply & demand. You want to get sticker shock? Try NoVa. $400 for homely Babies over weight, & no skills. $600-$1,000 for someone like LRF. I stopped even trying up there. Waste of time.

You saw LRF when last? Almost 1-1/2 to 2 years ago? Dude, gas was $2.00 & hamburger $3.00 a lb back then! LOL Insert political comment here! Ha, ha.

Bottom line. Once she hooks a couple of more regulars, she'll disappear again. I think the last time she was on SA was well over a year ago. She's not looking to feed a demon or buy designer purses, just keep a roof over her head, the lights on & food on the table.[/QUOTE]All true, I remember when she left SA, and sugardaddy meet. However, I think the YMMV hurts use more, that's why I liked ECCIE, the reviews were clear on what to expect and for a price. Feeling some kind of way knowing that there was more and she just didn't share or straight up "lied" idk what I expected, but after looking back on it, nearly 3 years, more I guess. idk, getting up in my feelings over an argument.

This woman looks familiar. Isn't she the one with a corporate job that is super kinky. I think she does a lot of bareback sex. She is actually pretty cute for 47 and has a nice body. PM if you have had any experience with this one.

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[QUOTE=EscortReview89;5911348]All true, I remember when she left SA, and sugardaddy meet. However, I think the YMMV hurts use more, that's why I liked ECCIE, the reviews were clear on what to expect and for a price. Feeling some kind of way knowing that there was more and she just didn't share or straight up "lied" idk what I expected, but after looking back on it, nearly 3 years, more I guess. idk, getting up in my feelings over an argument.[/QUOTE]Not looking for an argument. I just feel, unlike an escort with certain menu & donations spelled out, a SB has the right to do what she's comfortable with with each individual Daddy. Alternatively, a Daddy votes with his wallet, looks for another Baby, if the experience doesn't meet his expectations / requirements.

For instance, my top priorities are DFK & DATY. She's shy until you get her motor running & my only real complaint is not hardly a kisser at all. Again YMMV, I had heard she did Greek on one occasion. Definitely not on the menu, too bad, she has an unreal ass for it!

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My last post on the subject, I'm starting to feel like her agent! LOL Full disclosure, do to her "special" family situation & being drug free (420 friendly, light drinker) I do want to see her not struggle financially. Because I see her, also want other Daddies to treat her right. She's legit a good egg. Plus I have a lot of experience in treating Babies right & having some awesome arrangements, over the last 4 years.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5910818]300 - never LOL I have never been more than 200 - and 100 for a QV once Now these were 3 years ago plus when she was in C'ville.

I had heard she had migrated to the 300 -- but unless you are there for multi-pops. She is not a 300 candidate in my book.[/QUOTE]Why would someone ever go the SB route and NOT be getting multiple pops and / or hours?

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;5912580]Why would someone ever go the SB route and NOT be getting multiple pops and / or hours?[/QUOTE]I could not agree more. This is the reason I only see SBs, and don't pursue blatant escorts putting themselves out there on the internet. Someone who has a menu, a time limit, who agrees to have sex w / someone by texting without having ever met them. They first are no one I would ever f* and second, meet my definition of escort.

I am after the GFE experience. I have had girls I have met from SA give me more of an escort experience, not totally, but still. And I didn't see them again. I have had ongoing and exclusive relationships with girls I met from SA as well. And given that I am retirement age and they were in the 20-40 year old range, I'm pretty proud of that. Great great experiences. Memories to take to the grave.

I've been chatting with a potential SB about BBFS. She is into it so long as I provide her with clean test results. I've never had to do that before because I'm certain I am clean. Is there a place I can go that will do testing and provide me with the results?

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;5912838]I've been chatting with a potential SB about BBFS. She is into it so long as I provide her with clean test results. I've never had to do that before because I'm certain I am clean. Is there a place I can go that will do testing and provide me with the results?[/QUOTE]If you want to do testing privately, there are a tonne of online sites. Google "STD Testing at home" to find the whole shebang.

I have used these sites before. They send you a kit, you go on line to "register" the kit and then collect the needed samples and return it in pre-paid mailer. Everything you need is included: collection cup for urine, pipette to transfer urine from cup to test tube, device to prick finger, card to drip blood drops on to, biohazard bags, return box, mailing label, etc. Also the websites often have "How To" sections or videos to follow if reading the DETAILED instructions confounds. Depending on which tests, or how many, one selects prices can run from $49 to $279.

I suggest getting a test that includes chlamydia because males often do not have symptoms and this is one of the most common STDs. Of course she is going to want to see a Negative HIV test, which is included in most multi-panel tests.

You get results online and can share them if needed. Different sites do things differently, so shop around.

I have used Everlywell and Let's Get Checked. When you register online you can use your Monger I'd, but you'll need a monger email and text capabilities. Actually bought one test through AZN and used Monger I'd to register it and get results.

Results take about a week because the place where you send your samples usually forwards them to independent labs. So plan ahead and don't take the test on a Friday or weekend.

If you don't care about anonymity, look around as most County Heath Departments have STD testing Clinics and those are usually free. Of course Planned Parenthood (usually around college campuses) has STD testing too, but that will be on a sliding scale "donation" depending on your annual income.

[i]So how do I know so much about the process, you ask? LOL[/i]

One day one of my SBs called me up in a panic. She reported that she had tested positive for [i]Trichomonas vaginalis[/i], commonly called Trich. WTF! Apparently I wasn't the only SD she was fucking! So I bought a limited test that tested for Trich, Gonorrhea and Chlamydia. Sent that in and waited. In the mean time, the SB was able to get her Doc to write a second script for the antibiotic that treats Trich and the SB brought it to me. TWO horse pills, each a gram (1,000 mg) of some antibiotic, so 2 grams (2,000 mg) of the drug. I took the treatment as a precaution. Three days later the test results came back NEGATIVE! Of course after that experience figured I better "know" if anything else was going on, so decided to get a "full panel" set of tests done. Spent HOURS researching the various tests and ranging prices before ordering a 7 panel test packet. One could spend more and get 9 or 12 panel tests. But the additional tests get into some pretty esoteric STDs (Gardnerella, Mycoplasma,Ureaplasma) and Hep A, B & C. Oh and if she's only concerned with HIV some sites have that as a single test.