Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=HornKnee;7562328]Maybe my tastes are more bougie than most. Outside Henry's, at least half the girls I ask for extras don't do them. The girls I'm likely to ask are hot though (at least to me). Maybe they don't do extras with ME. But yeah, I have no problem tipping and asking what I want. It's just the waiting I don't like.[/QUOTE]We are playing a fun game at the clubs, the more you play the better you will get as you will learn, just follow the basic rules (like not paying in advance) and enjoy looking at beautiful female bodies! And hopefully hooking up! It's not going to happen every time though

Enjoy a beer and some good bar food at SC or bogies when things aren't working out, stop in at the higher end clubs on occasion like LS, FC and BT's just for something new and to compare the atmosphere!

Put things in perspective and short of being ROB'd you will realize a bad day at the club is still a great time!! Especially if you have decent discretionary hobby funds.

[QUOTE=Bacardi1314;7562427]Here from the west side of the state for the night. My plans are:

Silver Criket 6-8.

Dispensary to re up my stash.

Bogart's 9-11.

Henry's 11-2.

Shouldn't have a problem finding what I like. I'll report back later.[/QUOTE]GREAT PLAN! Man it don't get no better than the greater Detroit strip club scene!

[QUOTE=Arianabp;7560344]

I've been having much better luck at the clubs lately, and I attribute a lot of that to the solid advice I've received from this forum. I'm grateful for it.[/QUOTE]Arian,

You and me both. It is amazing what a little bit of knowledge and understanding what the scams are and how to avoid getting cheated moves the experience from uncertain to nearly certain good time.

MM.

[QUOTE=HornKnee;7562080]

I was specifically looking for an AA (black) girl who did BBBJ.

As soon as I get to SC, I run into Pressure. She's a tall AA with a nice ass, shoulder length hair, an OK face, and some slightly saggy small titties. Thick but not fat. I was goalpost-robbed in a way that shows up textbook time and time again in this thread. She sat at my table after I looked at her for half a second. We start talking regular "intro" stuff. Eventually I said what I'm looking for, and she said she can do a bare BJ for 400. I say no, and she asks my price. I say the most is 200. She says I should make it 300. I say I can't do that and I want to talk to other girls. But she won't leave or stop trying. We repeat "300. Talk" about 3 or 4 more times. She then "agrees" to the 200. We get back there, and she wants the money up front. I give it to her. She starts talking about making it 300 again. Annoyed, I say if the BJ is good, we can go to 250. She agrees. She does it and (I'll admit) it IS good. I hand her another 50, and she said I said 100. I clearly said I'd give her another 50. She said she didn't hear that and keeps jawing on about it. Annoyed again and not wanting to cause any trouble an hour and change from home, I just give over the 50.

What's weird is: I know all the red flags here the regulars are probably shaking their head about reading this. But I guess I rolled the dice because I didn't know if another black girl would do BBBJ. I think. All I know is I could have and should have cut that off at a few points and I didn't. Turns out I was kinda right: there wasn't another black girl in SC willing to blow bare that night. Extras in general were being quoted at 300+. Sad, because Pressure was mid at best in looks compared to most of the girls there. If I HAD to be hustled, I'd have taken it a lot better off of one of them. Needless to say, avoid Pressure like the plague.

[/QUOTE]HK,

First stop beating yourself up over this. Every single guy has had this similar experience.

Don't be specifically looking for an AA girl. They are abundant at Criket. You can also try Pantheon which 98% black girls. Be open to who you find attractive and the black girls will come to you.

Ask yourself why did she sit at your table. Did you tip her, wave her over? She knows you will likely choose someone else unless she locks you up first. That is her hustle and that is fine, but I usually will say I am settling in for my first hour please come back after an hour.

By the way you should look at your club experiences as an investment of your time. The more time you invest the more likely you will find success. If it was me, I might say I am going to watch the entire dance rotation and tip the 3 or 4 girls I a most interested in and talk to each one for 10 minutes. I would tell each one that after speaking with 3 of them I will choose one for dances.

Look she is an expert, she has this negotiation 10 times a night and you are not. You have only negotiated this a few times. Her job is reading people and knowing what to say to extract the most cash. Acknowledge her for being good at her job.

I have never paid $300 for any services a Criket. That price point is too high. She knew that, but she also thought you didn't know that.

Your big mistake was negotiating in the main room and then renegotiating in the VIP. There is no need for that. You should have said, I am sorry I thought you agreed to $200. I guess I am not your customer after all. Walked out. She would have chased you down and begged you to give her $200.

Agreeing to $250 was pretty much you saying feel free to cheat me multiple times. To which she did.

She gave you one more chance to walk away with paying up front. I recently had this same experience with Anna at BTs. We negotiated and I said before we go back I want to be sure payment is at the end. She says no I require payment up front. I said thank you for informing then I won't be going with you. She broke into a lot of reason why I should and how amazing she is. I said Anna no hard feelings I am not actually your customer and you are not my dancer. She finally said if I change my mind to let her know. I said that same if she changes her policy maybe I can be her customer. Neither of us have spoken since. I instead took a great little girl called Alexa and she was fine with paying at the end.

I know there is a thought that any girl will do any service. Especially for the hotter (use your judgement) and newer girls. That is just false. A girl who will refuse BBBJ to you may happily do it with others. Or she may have 10 guys she does things with that she won't do with anyone else. Their was a thread going on here about talking to the girls. Taking and building rapport and getting to know and like them reduces the cheating opportunities and open the door for a girl to do things with you that she won't do with others. Suggest being her repeat customer.

Lastly if a girl jumps into table / booth and you don't want her there. Put your big boy underwear on and say please leave. It sounds kind of rude, but it is not. You are being mindful of your time and her time. As you both want to watch money jump from your pocket to her pocket and if that isn't going to happen, then it is better you sit with a girl where that could happen and she sits with a guy where that could happen.

You got very lucky that she delivered on the service and you are only out money. When I started reading this I though she was going to do a poor service. My goal is never to have a session where even if my balls empty that I am disgusted by the girl and won't go back and sample her again. I only want session where I like the girl and can't wait to be in her company another time.

Monger on.

MM.

[QUOTE=HornKnee;7562080]I visited the clubs finally. I went to Henrys (H8), then Silver Cricket (SC), and then back to H8.

I was specifically looking for an AA (black) girl who did BBBJ. I went to H8 about 9 PM. Only 2 AAs there, and none did it. I went to Bogarts. Same thing basically. I went to SC.

As soon as I get to SC, I run into Pressure. She's a tall AA with a nice ass, shoulder length hair, an OK face, and some slightly saggy small titties. Thick but not fat. I was goalpost-robbed in a way that shows up textbook time and time again in this thread. She sat at my table after I looked at her for half a second. We start talking regular "intro" stuff. Eventually I said what I'm looking for, and she said she can do a bare BJ for 400. I say no, and she asks my price. I say the most is 200. She says I should make it 300. I say I can't do that and I want to talk to other girls. But she won't leave or stop trying. We repeat "300. Talk" about 3 or 4 more times. She then "agrees" to the 200. We get back there, and she wants the money up front. I give it to her. She starts talking about making it 300 again. Annoyed, I say if the BJ is good, we can go to 250. She agrees. She does it and (I'll admit) it IS good. I hand her another 50, and she said I said 100. I clearly said I'd give her another 50. She said she didn't hear that and keeps jawing on about it. Annoyed again and not wanting to cause any trouble an hour and change from home, I just give over the 50.

What's weird is: I know all the red flags here the regulars are probably shaking their head about reading this. But I guess I rolled the dice because I didn't know if another black girl would do BBBJ. I think. All I know is I could have and should have cut that off at a few points and I didn't. Turns out I was kinda right: there wasn't another black girl in SC willing to blow bare that night. Extras in general were being quoted at 300+. Sad, because Pressure was mid at best in looks compared to most of the girls there. If I HAD to be hustled, I'd have taken it a lot better off of one of them. Needless to say, avoid Pressure like the plague.

I'm pissed, but I had money to continue the night and I at least got what I was initially looking for. I go back to H8, willing to get CBJs. There was a new AA there called Michelle. She's lightskinned with an almost petite build, short haircut, glasses, an OK ass and small tits. She charged 100 for a CBJ with no song count. We get back, and the CBJ is great. I did have to beat off to "help out" a little because it's covered and Pressure's mouth got me earlier, but she was a trooper and got the job done.

There was another girl there called Sugar. She is a dark-skinned AA with a short haircut, a big ass, and an almost-petite build with some sagginess in her stomach and tits from losing weight (I think). She charged 125 for CBJ, as long as it doesn't take over 30 minutes. Well, it did (not her fault; she was great), and she said she needed an extra 25 for staying back so long. That was no problem. After finally getting the job done, I got on the road home.

I'll probably stay away from the clubs for a while, until I can do something about my ED problems. I'd be fine with covered stuff if I could stay hard with a condom.[/QUOTE]Should be easy to find an AA woman who will do BBBJ, maybe that night just wasn't your night. Massage Parlor and strip club tactics are really the same, don't overthink it.

[QUOTE=Incognito1234;7561999]Me? I've never been to FC and it's been years since I've been to LS and BTs. That's MMs (and many others) stomping grounds.

I've been thinking that I'm going to start including SC into my rotation, and I'll be happy to post about my experiences there.[/QUOTE]BT's is my current favorite. Lately every time I go to FC everyone is in a sour mood and just stand on stage then go look at their phones. LS is a second, but I get a lot of the similar vibes as FC lately. BT's constantly has the most girls and they are working the room. I even have been visiting a cuban there a bit regularly, and I almost never go with cubans.

[QUOTE=DooMama7;7562548]Should be easy to find an AA woman who will do BBBJ, maybe that night just wasn't your night. Massage Parlor and strip club tactics are really the same, don't overthink it.[/QUOTE]Just curious. Do you find you get BBBJ (from any race) more on day shift or night shift? The events that put me in Detroit tend to end at 9 to 10 PM. I don't want to hit the club early and go to them smelling like that. Ergo, I hit night shift with most my trips. Previous reports and talk here suggest day shift might be better, and I plan to hit day shift the next time. But maybe it really just wasn't my night, and next time on night shift could be better. Hitting the day shift would likely mean going to the clubs just for the clubs.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7562525]HK,

First stop beating yourself up over this. Every single guy has had this similar experience.

Don't be specifically looking for an AA girl. They are abundant at Criket. You can also try Pantheon which 98% black girls. Be open to who you find attractive and the black girls will come to you.

Ask yourself why did she sit at your table. Did you tip her, wave her over? She knows you will likely choose someone else unless she locks you up first. That is her hustle and that is fine, but I usually will say I am settling in for my first hour please come back after an hour.

By the way you should look at your club experiences as an investment of your time. The more time you invest the more likely you will find success. If it was me, I might say I am going to watch the entire dance rotation and tip the 3 or 4 girls I a most interested in and talk to each one for 10 minutes. I would tell each one that after speaking with 3 of them I will choose one for dances.

Look she is an expert, she has this negotiation 10 times a night and you are not. You have only negotiated this a few times. Her job is reading people and knowing what to say to extract the most cash. Acknowledge her for being good at her job.

I have never paid $300 for any services a Criket. That price point is too high. She knew that, but she also thought you didn't know that.

Your big mistake was negotiating in the main room and then renegotiating in the VIP. There is no need for that. You should have said, I am sorry I thought you agreed to $200. I guess I am not your customer after all. Walked out. She would have chased you down and begged you to give her $200.

Agreeing to $250 was pretty much you saying feel free to cheat me multiple times. To which she did.

She gave you one more chance to walk away with paying up front. I recently had this same experience with Anna at BTs. We negotiated and I said before we go back I want to be sure payment is at the end. She says no I require payment up front. I said thank you for informing then I won't be going with you. She broke into a lot of reason why I should and how amazing she is. I said Anna no hard feelings I am not actually your customer and you are not my dancer. She finally said if I change my mind to let her know. I said that same if she changes her policy maybe I can be her customer. Neither of us have spoken since. I instead took a great little girl called Alexa and she was fine with paying at the end.

I know there is a thought that any girl will do any service. Especially for the hotter (use your judgement) and newer girls. That is just false. A girl who will refuse BBBJ to you may happily do it with others. Or she may have 10 guys she does things with that she won't do with anyone else. Their was a thread going on here about talking to the girls. Taking and building rapport and getting to know and like them reduces the cheating opportunities and open the door for a girl to do things with you that she won't do with others. Suggest being her repeat customer.

Lastly if a girl jumps into table / booth and you don't want her there. Put your big boy underwear on and say please leave. It sounds kind of rude, but it is not. You are being mindful of your time and her time. As you both want to watch money jump from your pocket to her pocket and if that isn't going to happen, then it is better you sit with a girl where that could happen and she sits with a guy where that could happen.

You got very lucky that she delivered on the service and you are only out money. When I started reading this I though she was going to do a poor service. My goal is never to have a session where even if my balls empty that I am disgusted by the girl and won't go back and sample her again. I only want session where I like the girl and can't wait to be in her company another time.

Monger on.

MM.[/QUOTE]1.) Yeah, looking back on the whole thing, she definitely smelled blood in the water when I wasn't firm about talking to other girls. And I definitely should have walked out upon hearing payment up front. But you live and learn I guess.

2.) I get not being picky and maybe building rapport, but: I hit those clubs 6 times a year at the absolute most. Starting at 9 or 10 PM most times. I tend to only go when I won't miss the 700-800 I plan to spend on the night. I don't have the time to build rapport besides a little intro chat. Being a little less picky is maybe something I could do though. Would definitely reduce my idle time sitting around.

Thanks for your words though.

Outside this, has the Pantheion gotten more free with extras? From recent talk, it seems like a "digging hard for gold" situation there because the girls actually get a lot from tips.

[QUOTE=HornKnee;7562685]Just curious. Do you find you get BBBJ (from any race) more on day shift or night shift? The events that put me in Detroit tend to end at 9 to 10 PM. I don't want to hit the club early and go to them smelling like that. Ergo, I hit night shift with most my trips. Previous reports and talk here suggest day shift might be better, and I plan to hit day shift the next time. But maybe it really just wasn't my night, and next time on night shift could be better. Hitting the day shift would likely mean going to the clubs just for the clubs.

1.) Yeah, looking back on the whole thing, she definitely smelled blood in the water when I wasn't firm about talking to other girls. And I definitely should have walked out upon hearing payment up front. But you live and learn I guess.

2.) I get not being picky and maybe building rapport, but: I hit those clubs 6 times a year at the absolute most. Starting at 9 or 10 PM most times. I tend to only go when I won't miss the 700-800 I plan to spend on the night. I don't have the time to build rapport besides a little intro chat. Being a little less picky is maybe something I could do though. Would definitely reduce my idle time sitting around.

Thanks for your words though.

Outside this, has the Pantheion gotten more free with extras? From recent talk, it seems like a "digging hard for gold" situation there because the girls actually get a lot from tips.[/QUOTE]Most of my club experience has been day shift 2-4 x / month about 1-5 pm but I have been out to night shift also the last several months past midnight to closing; my impressions are that days shift providers tend to be older, more business-like, less pricey, and more willing to perform BB than night shift girls who skew younger, hotter, pricier and wilder than day shift. For example, late kast night at BT's was the first time a girl tried to choke me while giving CBJ. I Suppose this happens to the rest of you all the time, but it was new to me.

First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?

[QUOTE=HornKnee;7562685]Just curious. Do you find you get BBBJ (from any race) more on day shift or night shift? The events that put me in Detroit tend to end at 9 to 10 PM. I don't want to hit the club early and go to them smelling like that. Ergo, I hit night shift with most my trips. Previous reports and talk here suggest day shift might be better, and I plan to hit day shift the next time. But maybe it really just wasn't my night, and next time on night shift could be better. Hitting the day shift would likely mean going to the clubs just for the clubs.



[/QUOTE]Day shift will always be a buyers market, night a sellers market for different reasons. Day. Older dances on average, slower. Night "hotter" young dancers, faster, party atmosphere. It will be slightly more difficult to get bareback services but not hard at all. Like I said don't over think, and it could have just been an off night, we all have them.

[QUOTE=FreshPrince;7562805]First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?[/QUOTE]I usually stay in the hilton down dearborn avenue, or the hilton in Allen Park.

[QUOTE=FreshPrince;7562805]First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?[/QUOTE]Your hub area for access to all the clubs is going to be Middlebelt Rd and Michigan Ave. The airport is just down Middlebelt to the south about 2 to 3 miles with plenty of hotel space in the area south of Michigan Ave. There are 6 clubs within easy driving distance of that intersection. Henry the VIII (north on Middlebelt about a 1/3 of a mile), Bogarts and Flight Club right near that intersection on Michigan ave. With Playhouse (Middlebelt rd south of I-94 and just past Northline Rd about 4 miles) and Landing Strip on opposite side of the Airport (west) and the hardest driving wise to access from the Middlebelt-Michigan ave intersection about 5 miles. Silver Cricket is east on Michigan ave on the south side about 2. 5 miles give or take. Just bring up google maps for that intersection and start punching the club names into the maps app.

It is not like Inkster is a completely lawless crime ridden hell hole. It isn't. It's a suburb of a crime ridden hell hole (Detroit) and does not have a direct border with the City of Detroit. In Inkster there are lots of residential areas and businesses lining major roads. Unless you do something incredibly stupid you'll likely not run into any trouble.

[QUOTE=HornKnee;7562080]I visited the clubs finally. I went to Henrys (H8), then Silver Cricket (SC), and then back to H8.

I was specifically looking for an AA (black) girl who did BBBJ. I went to H8 about 9 PM. Only 2 AAs there, and none did it. I went to Bogarts. Same thing basically. I went to SC.

As soon as I get to SC, I run into Pressure. She's a tall AA with a nice ass, shoulder length hair, an OK face, and some slightly saggy small titties. Thick but not fat. I was goalpost-robbed in a way that shows up textbook time and time again in this thread. She sat at my table after I looked at her for half a second. We start talking regular "intro" stuff. Eventually I said what I'm looking for, and she said she can do a bare BJ for 400. I say no, and she asks my price. I say the most is 200. She says I should make it 300. I say I can't do that and I want to talk to other girls. But she won't leave or stop trying. We repeat "300. Talk" about 3 or 4 more times. She then "agrees" to the 200. We get back there, and she wants the money up front. I give it to her. She starts talking about making it 300 again. Annoyed, I say if the BJ is good, we can go to 250. She agrees. She does it and (I'll admit) it IS good..[/QUOTE]I think the important thing is to be prepared to walk out I've walked out many times. If she quotes $300 at the table, I'll say you're out of my league. If she asks what I'd like to pay I tell her she wouldn't be happy with what I'll pay, so never mind. When we're in the back, if she asks for the money first, I say I never pay first, I'll show her the money but it goes back in my pocket If she says anything other than "ok fine", I say "this isn't going to work" and I walked out, without giving her anything. She might run to the bouncer, I'll tell him I changed my mind about getting a dance from her. The key here is I can leave, get in my vehicle and leave, because they don't have my coat or car keys.

[QUOTE=FreshPrince;7562805]First off wanted to say thanks for all the advice I've been reading off and on for the past few months. I've been debating making a trip, but it's about an 8 hour round trip so that's not really feasible without getting a place to stay. How far away from Inkster do I need to stay to not be in a bad part of town?[/QUOTE]If you really want to stay in Dearborn, the Holiday Inn Express (cheapest) and the Staybridge Suites (little more expensive) in the same parking lot are a mile from Silver Criket and have the same owner. They have security in the parking lot at night. They are the best price, Holiday Inn Express on Michigan specifically, if you are just looking for a bed and shower, and wanting to avoid unfavorable local elements. Its quick to get to all 6 extras clubs from here.

At the same time, check [URL]super.com[/URL] and Expedia for deals on both of these, but also check out downtown Detroit. Staying downtown gives you much better rooms, bathrooms and beds, access to bars and restaurants in the hotels. Most of which are night spots, and somewhere to bring dancers back to. There is MGM and other casinos where dancers also go after the clubs close at 2. Some go to the casinos and hang out at bars looking for patrons instead of the clubs on any given night.

If you check the monthly calendar on Expedia for a hotels nightly rates, you will find often you could be staying in a nice room downtown, still under $200, and have a roof top bar, casino or some other destination where dancers will be targeting for the night. If you decide to have someone back to your room from the club, you are going to get much better results based on where you are staying.

I would not try to bring a dancer back to the Holiday Inn Express, and she would be far less likely to go anyways. And you certainly aren't going to find any other action at the Holiday Inn Express. The 20 minute drive is worth it for a much fuller experience.

It's also worth staying 2 nights if you are coming far. This gives you a chance to check out multiple shifts at multiple clubs, and to explore the talent downtown that is available. There are times I am in Detroit and never make it to the clubs because there is so much action in the casinos downtown area. This time of year it is especially true of all 3 casinos.

[QUOTE=DarkTraveler;7562998]If you really want to stay in Dearborn, the Holiday Inn Express (cheapest) and the Staybridge Suites (little more expensive) in the same parking lot are a mile from Silver Criket and have the same owner. They have security in the parking lot at night. They are the best price, Holiday Inn Express on Michigan specifically, if you are just looking for a bed and shower, and wanting to avoid unfavorable local elements. Its quick to get to all 6 extras clubs from here.

At the same time, check [URL]super.com[/URL] and Expedia for deals on both of these, but also check out downtown Detroit. Staying downtown gives you much better rooms, bathrooms and beds, access to bars and restaurants in the hotels. Most of which are night spots, and somewhere to bring dancers back to. There is MGM and other casinos where dancers also go after the clubs close at 2. Some go to the casinos and hang out at bars looking for patrons instead of the clubs on any given night.

If you check the monthly calendar on Expedia for a hotels nightly rates, you will find often you could be staying in a nice room downtown, still under $200, and have a roof top bar, casino or some other destination where dancers will be targeting for the night. If you decide to have someone back to your room from the club, you are going to get much better results based on where you are staying.

I would not try to bring a dancer back to the Holiday Inn Express, and she would be far less likely to go anyways. And you certainly aren't going to find any other action at the Holiday Inn Express. The 20 minute drive is worth it for a much fuller experience.

It's also worth staying 2 nights if you are coming far. This gives you a chance to check out multiple shifts at multiple clubs, and to explore the talent downtown that is available. There are times I am in Detroit and never make it to the clubs because there is so much action in the casinos downtown area. This time of year it is especially true of all 3 casinos.[/QUOTE]I've been to the casinos a few times, just for the black jack, but if you don't mind me asking, how do you find the action there. Or does the action just find you?

[QUOTE=WinterKnight;7562706]Most of my club experience has been day shift 2-4 x / month about 1-5 pm but I have been out to night shift also the last several months past midnight to closing; my impressions are that days shift providers tend to be older, more business-like, less pricey, and more willing to perform BB than night shift girls who skew younger, hotter, pricier and wilder than day shift. For example, late kast night at BT's was the first time a girl tried to choke me while giving CBJ. I Suppose this happens to the rest of you all the time, but it was new to me.[/QUOTE]Choking, like that's not slang for anything right, you mean literally choking around the neck? It's been a while since I've fucked in the clubs, I've found a few girls that will do otc, I'm older now so I like to build a relationship, all be them transactional relationships, it's just more fun for me, but in all my years, I've never had a girl try to choke me. Might like that though LOL, got a name of the girl?

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7562525]HK,

First stop beating yourself up over this. Every single guy has had this similar experience.

Don't be specifically looking for an AA girl. They are abundant at Criket. You can also try Pantheon which 98% black girls. Be open to who you find attractive and the black girls will come to you.

Ask yourself why did she sit at your table. Did you tip her, wave her over? She knows you will likely choose someone else unless she locks you up first. That is her hustle and that is fine, but I usually will say I am settling in for my first hour please come back after an hour.

By the way you should look at your club experiences as an investment of your time. The more time you invest the more likely you will find success. If it was me, I might say I am going to watch the entire dance rotation and tip the 3 or 4 girls I a most interested in and talk to each one for 10 minutes. I would tell each one that after speaking with 3 of them I will choose one for dances.

Look she is an expert, she has this negotiation 10 times a night and you are not. You have only negotiated this a few times. Her job is reading people and knowing what to say to extract the most cash. Acknowledge her for being good at her job.

I have never paid $300 for any services a Criket. That price point is too high. She knew that, but she also thought you didn't know that.

Your big mistake was negotiating in the main room and then renegotiating in the VIP. There is no need for that. You should have said, I am sorry I thought you agreed to $200. I guess I am not your customer after all. Walked out. She would have chased you down and begged you to give her $200.

Agreeing to $250 was pretty much you saying feel free to cheat me multiple times. To which she did.

She gave you one more chance to walk away with paying up front. I recently had this same experience with Anna at BTs. We negotiated and I said before we go back I want to be sure payment is at the end. She says no I require payment up front. I said thank you for informing then I won't be going with you. She broke into a lot of reason why I should and how amazing she is. I said Anna no hard feelings I am not actually your customer and you are not my dancer. She finally said if I change my mind to let her know. I said that same if she changes her policy maybe I can be her customer. Neither of us have spoken since. I instead took a great little girl called Alexa and she was fine with paying at the end.

I know there is a thought that any girl will do any service. Especially for the hotter (use your judgement) and newer girls. That is just false. A girl who will refuse BBBJ to you may happily do it with others. Or she may have 10 guys she does things with that she won't do with anyone else. Their was a thread going on here about talking to the girls. Taking and building rapport and getting to know and like them reduces the cheating opportunities and open the door for a girl to do things with you that she won't do with others. Suggest being her repeat customer.

Lastly if a girl jumps into table / booth and you don't want her there. Put your big boy underwear on and say please leave. It sounds kind of rude, but it is not. You are being mindful of your time and her time. As you both want to watch money jump from your pocket to her pocket and if that isn't going to happen, then it is better you sit with a girl where that could happen and she sits with a guy where that could happen.

You got very lucky that she delivered on the service and you are only out money. When I started reading this I though she was going to do a poor service. My goal is never to have a session where even if my balls empty that I am disgusted by the girl and won't go back and sample her again. I only want session where I like the girl and can't wait to be in her company another time.

Monger on.

MM.[/QUOTE]If Anna is the tall white good looking girl with long blond hair at BT, bigger frame but not chubby, I had taken her back once. I had to pay in advance because she only mentioned that after we were back and I already paid for the room. (Also, she is really hot and I was quite new to the hobby.) It was bossy and rushed. Just jackhammering and very little warmup. I would not repeat even sometime she is often the most good-looking in the lineups at BT.

[QUOTE=FrostBytePing;7562581]BT's is my current favorite. Lately every time I go to FC everyone is in a sour mood and just stand on stage then go look at their phones. LS is a second, but I get a lot of the similar vibes as FC lately. BT's constantly has the most girls and they are working the room. I even have been visiting a cuban there a bit regularly, and I almost never go with cubans.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it just depends, every night is different.

I had a series of really good nights at BTs, and then I walked in one Wednesday. There were only 2 girls I found attractive. I spoke to both of them, didn't get good vibe, and decided to leave. I think I made the right call.

I have had so many bad experiences at Flight Club, when a girl I had been seeing elsewhere started dancing there I hesitated to go see her, as Flight Club seems to turn previously fun girls into girls I don't want to see. I eventually decided to go, and not only did I have a good session with her there was a second girl who approached me and didn't have the usual Flight Club venom or extreme pricing structure. If you would have told me I could do 2 sessions on the same night in Flight Club and enjoy them both, I would have been highly doubtful. I have been back after that and it is the same club it always was.

MM.

[QUOTE=DooMama7;7562806]Day shift will always be a buyers market, night a sellers market for different reasons. Day. Older dances on average, slower. Night "hotter" young dancers, faster, party atmosphere. It will be slightly more difficult to get bareback services but not hard at all. Like I said don't over think, and it could have just been an off night, we all have them.[/QUOTE]I think it is always a buyers market, and it only takes one good girl to make a night great.

I will state that in general night shift has a few more girls I deem attractive, but on both shifts the majority of the girls I am not interested in. I am not sure the girls are less attractive because they are older. I have found some great girls on dayshift, often they are just starting out as dancers.

I think dayshift has less customers therefore less girls. I find more girls I like on nightshift simply because there are more girls dancing night shift so a larger sample size.

I don't think it is hard to find what you want if you are willing to put in the time, negotiate and build rapport.

MM.

[QUOTE=Arianabp;7563809]If Anna is the tall white good looking girl with long blond hair at BT, bigger frame but not chubby, I had taken her back once. I had to pay in advance because she only mentioned that after we were back and I already paid for the room. (Also, she is really hot and I was quite new to the hobby.) It was bossy and rushed. Just jackhammering and very little warmup. I would not repeat even sometime she is often the most good-looking in the lineups at BT.[/QUOTE]Arian,

That is the girl. And you can still walk out I would rather lose $20 then suffer a bossy rushed jack hammering VIP.

I have this experience often that I negotiate with a girl and I decide she is not the right girl for me. She gives me a chance to walk away and I take it. I then wonder am I being too picky. Then I read a report like this, and say see trust your instincts it just saved you from a bad VIP experience. Same for good girls I often know before the VIP session that she is going to be great.

MM.

Dropped by Silver Cricket last Friday after work. It was very busy and they were celebrating a waitresses birthday. Tipped skinny, light skinned black girl, Lilly, on stage and she came by after her dance. Negotiated 200 for everything. Had a good time BBBJ, BBFS, cim finish. Will repeat.

[QUOTE=DooMama7;7562806]Day shift will always be a buyers market, night a sellers market for different reasons. Day. Older dances on average, slower. Night "hotter" young dancers, faster, party atmosphere. It will be slightly more difficult to get bareback services but not hard at all. Like I said don't over think, and it could have just been an off night, we all have them.[/QUOTE]Wisdom from DooMama.

I have attended very few day shifts, I remember being disappointed at FC Saturday day-shift last year. Sometimes there will be a hottie with a life outside of the club, so they work days but it's rare. Recently a fellow monger told me BTs Saturday day shift had two or three dimes. I stopped going at night due to lack of talent and bitchy lady with glasses at the door. Planning to check it out and report back.

Had the time and money to do some visits over the last few days.

Hanks Wednesday Day into Night Shift.

I was first visited by Sugar (Shugah), a smaller black girl with some stretch marks. Paid $. 50 for CBJ and CFS, said Greek was available for $$. 50. She was veery good but I didn't quite get over the line.

I saw Unique on stage and thought she looked good so in tipped her, when she came over she didn't look as good but I said what the heck. $. 00 (I think) for a CBJ that also didn't get me over the finish line.

Finally I was approached by Cassie who has been written about a ton and she got the job done.

I would repeat with Sugar as I think if I had taken more control the CFS would have gotten me there and of course I'd like to try Greek with her.

Cricket Friday day into night.

Got approached by a slim black girl whose name I don't recall, she was kind of spacey but gave a damn good CBJ for one bill, I had to finish myself but it was good.

After a while I was approached by Tastee, an attractive black girl. Got to the back with her with thr intention of just doing some songs but she started being very affectionate which ended up with us doing BBFS for too much, plus after a while she jumped off because she was "worn out". A mistake on my part.

Cricket Sunday Day.

I went there looking for Aquarius. Without knowing what she looked like I didn't realize she was on stage until she came off, she then disappeared into the back and left. Disappointed in that, as she is exactly my type, I hung around for a while to get the general vibe. Ended up going back with a white girl, probably a bit older and did straight up dances although she was very affectionate as well. Says she works Sunday and Wednesday so I may repeat.

I'm wondering what days Aquarius works, I would like to get up there to see her but Sundays aren't always the best. At the moment I think the Cricket straddles the line between Hanks / Bogsrts and BTs which is perfect to me. The fact there's no smoking helps with that.

Hey gents. Been out of the game for a minute and was thinking about going up to BTS sometime tomorrow night. Have you guys been up there recently? If so, what have you seen as the main going rate? The forum kind of seems all over the place regarding rates so I wanted to see what my options were for a fair range. Last time I was out there I was able to negotiate down to 200 for FS. Still doable or is there a more standard rate? Thanks in advance all.

[QUOTE=Arianabp;7563809]If Anna is the tall white good looking girl with long blond hair at BT, bigger frame but not chubby, I had taken her back once. I had to pay in advance because she only mentioned that after we were back and I already paid for the room. (Also, she is really hot and I was quite new to the hobby.) It was bossy and rushed. Just jackhammering and very little warmup. I would not repeat even sometime she is often the most good-looking in the lineups at BT.[/QUOTE]Had the same experience with her, would not repeat.

[QUOTE=LostInDetroit;7565274]Hey gents. Been out of the game for a minute and was thinking about going up to BTS sometime tomorrow night. Have you guys been up there recently? If so, what have you seen as the main going rate? The forum kind of seems all over the place regarding rates so I wanted to see what my options were for a fair range. Last time I was out there I was able to negotiate down to 200 for FS. Still doable or is there a more standard rate? Thanks in advance all.[/QUOTE]LID,

How picky are you? How much time do you want to spend negotiating? And a hundred other factors, like is rent past due? Has the club been busy? Has the girl been away from work? Will you be her repeat customer? How much she likes you?, etc, etc, etc.

200 if definitely possible, most girls will be happy at 300. Try offering 200 and say you add a 20 tip if you are satisfied at the end or a 40 dollar tip if you are completely satisfied at the end.

MM.

Quotes.

Lately I have hit a few bars "window Shopping". I sit at the bar have a drink and just observe the floor. A few dancers will introduce themselves and make small talk. I am upfront about my attentions and don't waste their time, so I am not hit with the interview fine / tip a few of them will try to extort from you just for sitting with them (it doesn't happen often but some will try it). LOL. Below are some of the walk up quotes I have been receiving. Again, this was the first numbers thrown at me with no negotiation. I didn't plan on going to the VIP so I didn't try to see how low I could go.

Flight Club.

Night Shift FS $500.

Day Shift FS $300-$400.

BTs.

FS $300 (some were trying to start at $400).

Silver Cricket.

FS $300.

Landing Strip.

FS $300.

Players.

Lap dance only $25 per song Some would say 3 for $100.

Center Fold.

Lap dance only $25 per song Some would say 3 for $100.

[QUOTE=DetroitLife;7565943]Quotes.

Lately I have hit a few bars "window Shopping". I sit at the bar have a drink and just observe the floor. A few dancers will introduce themselves and make small talk. I am upfront about my attentions and don't waste their time, so I am not hit with the interview fine / tip a few of them will try to extort from you just for sitting with them (it doesn't happen often but some will try it). LOL. Below are some of the walk up quotes I have been receiving. Again, this was the first numbers thrown at me with no negotiation. I didn't plan on going to the VIP so I didn't try to see how low I could go.

Flight Club.

Night Shift FS $500.

Day Shift FS $300-$400.

BTs.

FS $300 (some were trying to start at $400).

Silver Cricket.

FS $300.

Landing Strip.

FS $300.

Players.

Lap dance only $25 per song Some would say 3 for $100.

Center Fold.

Lap dance only $25 per song Some would say 3 for $100.[/QUOTE]Depends on the day but at SC it's easy to get 150-200 for dayshift (justed test this on Sunday).

I'm never great at adding reports. Went to SC a handful of times over the last few weeks. Had some private time with the following dancers.

Faith. Blonde with small rack. Pierced nips. Little rougher around the edges. She was very friendly though. 150 for BBBJ w swallow. It was a fine BJ, but I've had much better.

Jenny. Dark hair alt / goth with big rack. She is the much better. CBJ was outstanding.

Ariel. MILF with crazy long hair. Now she has a different type of backstory, very easy to talk to. Paid a lot more than I'm used to at 300 in the back, but CBJ was great, she was vocal and talked dirty, cfs with several positions. I had a fun time, tough to repeat due to price, but she I will visit for special occasions.

Still trying to meet up with the popular Aquarius. When does she work? I feel like I've been there everyday of the week and have seen her working only the occasional Monday.

Guess that settles it: I have to try day shift the next time I go to SC. Thanks for your reports guys.

Any intel or experience with Sierra? Good provider, pricing? Does she offer otc? 20 yo white spinner with gymnast build. She works at FC and BTs here and there.

So, I went to Henry's day shift yesterday. I got there around 3:15 and stayed about three hours. It wasn't very crowded. Among those working were Nicole, Riley, Kay, Yesna, and Kassy.

As I walked to my table, I saw Yesna sitting with a customer and nodded as I passed. Not long after, Riley came over to sit with me, say hello, chat, get her shoulders massaged, and offer head. I don’t mind giving massages one bit, but I declined the head.

After Riley left, I spent quite a bit of time on my phone, enjoying my drink and glancing at the TV from time to time. Eventually, Kassy came by to talk, as she always does. You never have to worry about awkward moments or keeping the conversation going with her. She's always friendly and chatty and acknowledges that even though we don't always go back, she stops by to talk. She made it known that if I wanted to do anything, she was there. Another customer came in to see her shortly thereafter, so she sat and talked with him at the next table.

When Yesna went up for her stage rotation, I tipped her on stage and asked if she wanted to go back. She said, "Sure," and came to sit with me after she was done with her set. We talked for quite a while before eventually going to the back.

I'm not a big guy, and Yesna's small stature makes it easier to maneuver around in the back. As I mentioned not long ago, Yesna provides a very satisfying, no-rush, no-hassle experience. As always, I leave happy and recommend seeing her.

As I write this, it makes me wonder how larger guys, or guys who are back there with larger women, are able to maneuver around. Those are small spaces, and it seems like if you had one or two bonus sized people in a booth, they'd have to get you in there with a shoehorn.

On the way home, I stopped at Black Pine Tree in Southgate for some sushi. If any of you are sushi lovers and want some excellent sushi, that place rocks.

Stopped in LS on a Thursday afternoon. About 10-15 customers and roughly the same # of entertainers. After a half hour a cute blonde sat down (at the bar) and started chatting. Was pretty upfront that $200 was her price and menu was open. Took her up on the offer and was definelly one of the better experiences I have had. She was talking about how slow business has been and this was before the huge jump in gas prices. I suspect clubs will be suffering as many bars and restaurannts often do with the current state of our unfortunate economy. If you are lucky enough to have a little disposable income high quality can be had for a lot better pricing than 4-5 months ago. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Incognito1234;7566744]So, I went to Henry's day shift yesterday. I got there around 3:15 and stayed about three hours. It wasn't very crowded. Among those working were Nicole, Riley, Kay, Yesna, and Kassy.

As I walked to my table, I saw Yesna sitting with a customer and nodded as I passed. Not long after, Riley came over to sit with me, say hello, chat, get her shoulders massaged, and offer head. I dont mind giving massages one bit, but I declined the head.

After Riley left, I spent quite a bit of time on my phone, enjoying my drink and glancing at the TV from time to time. Eventually, Kassy came by to talk, as she always does. You never have to worry about awkward moments or keeping the conversation going with her. She's always friendly and chatty and acknowledges that even though we don't always go back, she stops by to talk. She made it known that if I wanted to do anything, she was there. Another customer came in to see her shortly thereafter, so she sat and talked with him at the next table.

When Yesna went up for her stage rotation, I tipped her on stage and asked if she wanted to go back. She said, "Sure," and came to sit with me after she was done with her set. We talked for quite a while before eventually going to the back.

I'm not a big guy, and Yesna's small stature makes it easier to maneuver around in the back. As I mentioned not long ago, Yesna provides a very satisfying, no-rush, no-hassle experience. As always, I leave happy and recommend seeing her.

As I write this, it makes me wonder how larger guys, or guys who are back there with larger women, are able to maneuver around. Those are small spaces, and it seems like if you had one or two bonus sized people in a booth, they'd have to get you in there with a shoehorn.

On the way home, I stopped at Black Pine Tree in Southgate for some sushi. If any of you are sushi lovers and want some excellent sushi, that place rocks.[/QUOTE]As always appreciate the great reviews! Black Pine Tree is amazing. It's funny I have the exact same routine when I go to Henry's. Always hit BPT after!

[QUOTE=JPayne786;7566648]Any intel or experience with Sierra? Good provider, pricing? Does she offer otc? 20 yo white spinner with gymnast build. She works at FC and BTs here and there.[/QUOTE]Sorry forgot to add a photo.

[QUOTE=PickleJar;7566794]As always appreciate the great reviews! Black Pine Tree is amazing. It's funny I have the exact same routine when I go to Henry's. Always hit BPT after![/QUOTE]Many thanks, I appreciate the kind words.

Black Pine Tree is the icing on the cake, after a visit to Henry's! I think I have that get bloated from dinner and wallow back in the recliner routine down to a science.

[QUOTE=DooMama7;7565990]Depends on the day but at SC it's easy to get 150-200 for dayshift (justed test this on Sunday).[/QUOTE]The vibe I got from each club was the quotes were $100 more than what they were expecting and hoping to end up with something in the middle. Quote $300 guy counters with $200 and end up with $250, but if you hold you ground they will take the low end.

[QUOTE=DetroitLife;7566918]The vibe I got from each club was the quotes were $100 more than what they were expecting and hoping to end up with something in the middle. Quote $300 guy counters with $200 and end up with $250, but if you hold you ground they will take the low end.[/QUOTE]You're probably right for most girls.

Summer 2025 FS.

FC $500.

LS $400.

BT $300.

SC $200.

I settled on BTs for the price and the handful of spinners they had. Plus management used to be very friendly and welcoming.

I have always negotiated LS girls down to 300/250. Over the winter, they all started quoting 300 again instead of 400.

I'm picky and never seen a hottie at DG or a humble girl at FC; haven't gotten dances there in over a year.

Seems like $300 is the standard, some girls willing to negotiate and some aren't; as someone with a lot of requests and preferences, I don't barter much.

But with the economic downturn, with girls more desperate, I'm going to start stating $250 as my price, like MM said "with potential for tip if I'm satisfied".

[QUOTE=Incognito1234;7566744]So, I went to Henry's day shift yesterday. I got there around 3:15 and stayed about three hours. It wasn't very crowded. Among those working were Nicole, Riley, Kay, Yesna, and Kassy.

As I walked to my table, I saw Yesna sitting with a customer and nodded as I passed. Not long after, Riley came over to sit with me, say hello, chat, get her shoulders massaged, and offer head. I dont mind giving massages one bit, but I declined the head.

After Riley left, I spent quite a bit of time on my phone, enjoying my drink and glancing at the TV from time to time. Eventually, Kassy came by to talk, as she always does. You never have to worry about awkward moments or keeping the conversation going with her. She's always friendly and chatty and acknowledges that even though we don't always go back, she stops by to talk. She made it known that if I wanted to do anything, she was there. Another customer came in to see her shortly thereafter, so she sat and talked with him at the next table.

When Yesna went up for her stage rotation, I tipped her on stage and asked if she wanted to go back. She said, "Sure," and came to sit with me after she was done with her set. We talked for quite a while before eventually going to the back.

I'm not a big guy, and Yesna's small stature makes it easier to maneuver around in the back. As I mentioned not long ago, Yesna provides a very satisfying, no-rush, no-hassle experience. As always, I leave happy and recommend seeing her.

As I write this, it makes me wonder how larger guys, or guys who are back there with larger women, are able to maneuver around. Those are small spaces, and it seems like if you had one or two bonus sized people in a booth, they'd have to get you in there with a shoehorn.

On the way home, I stopped at Black Pine Tree in Southgate for some sushi. If any of you are sushi lovers and want some excellent sushi, that place rocks.[/QUOTE]Depends on how horny I am and how good she is at taking direction. The other clubs have bigger spaces to get comfortable, if a girl has a snatch that has easy access or is good at sucking a dick, it's not a problem, for some that require a warm up it can ruin the mood as jr has to stand at attention again.

I visited Detroit a couple times shortly before Covid started and before I began my international travels.

With the mess at airports & fast rising airfares. My 2 short term options are Detroit or St Louis.

What clubs are best during the day and best at night. Where are the best bargains to be found.

I'm probably mostly targets bjs & short time stints. Possible an otc at hotel.