[QUOTE=Tryon;3273126]I concur. Illegal and very creepy. The ladies are nervous enough without having to worry about being recorded.[/QUOTE]Good point. You get false sense of reality when viewing sites that are "hidden cams".
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[QUOTE=Tryon;3273126]I concur. Illegal and very creepy. The ladies are nervous enough without having to worry about being recorded.[/QUOTE]Good point. You get false sense of reality when viewing sites that are "hidden cams".
[QUOTE=BtrCalsal;3271746]Just wondering if anyone else got a PM from "Theresa", looking for a good hotel to stay at on the 1st &2nd of March?
It seems a little weird that I got a PM from someone who I have no idea who she is.[/QUOTE]I have in the past. That is typically what she does when she is visiting a new city. She said she just wanted to make sure she was staying in a safe area for her and the client.
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"Operation Avalance".
Will be avoiding SC and the like. Had a few texts back and forth with some "new" providers I've seen on BP who say they are in another area and then end up being in SC. My guess is LEO might be getting more active, even on BP.
Stay safe.
To clear the matter it is not illegal to record any conversation at all. The way the law it is written only one has to consent to the recording and you the one doing the recording is the consent. That the law on this issue. But we don't need to post on open forum about it as all can read it.
[QUOTE=Tryon;3273126]I concur. Illegal and very creepy. The ladies are nervous enough without having to worry about being recorded.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EasyRiderHer;3272879]Besides being illegal, its not going to be good for the rest of us. It is kinda creepy or you wouldn't have asked.
Most of the girls read this. They're going to be watching. You've probably already made some of them nervous.[/QUOTE]
As legit as anywhere in the world. Internationalsexguide helps pinpoint the good ones, but they are legal, regulated, and full of amazing women. In a crime-free relaxing environment. Highly recommend. No haggling, no hassle. No seedy hotels. It's like a day spa for men. I wouldn't pay for a tour though. The places are safe and the taxis or public transport can get you there.
[QUOTE=Tasty101;3182224]This may be a little off topic, but I'm wondering if anyone has gone to an FKK club in Germany or booked a tour there.
When I visit this site I'm presented with a lot of banner ads from an organization that runs 6-8 day tours to the German FKK clubs.
[blue]We have a massive section on FKKS on the International Sex Guide
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[QUOTE=OktoberMan1;3273764]As legit as anywhere in the world. Internationalsexguide helps pinpoint the good ones, but they are legal, regulated, and full of amazing women. In a crime-free relaxing environment. Highly recommend. No haggling, no hassle. No seedy hotels. It's like a day spa for men. I wouldn't pay for a tour though. The places are safe and the taxis or public transport can get you there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback.
Just going to throw this out there. Anybody have contact info for a reliable UTR spinner that they would be willing to share? Feel free to message me.
Need some help guys. I've got a couple ladies on the line. Non pros. Are there any mid range hotel / motels that will take cash without taking a card that can be traced? One between charlotte and Gastown one in university area?
I have paid cash at several off Billy Graham where it crosses I85 and on the other side of town on old Monroe there is the green leaf and one on independence next to the old coliseum think it's a Budget but can't remember. All kind of dumpy but seam fairly clean and safe they all also ask for identification but never required a credit card.
[QUOTE=RockAndFire23;3292960]Need some help guys. I've got a couple ladies on the line. Non pros. Are there any mid range hotel / motels that will take cash without taking a card that can be traced? One between charlotte and Gastown one in university area?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RockAndFire23;3292960]Need some help guys. I've got a couple ladies on the line. Non pros. Are there any mid range hotel / motels that will take cash without taking a card that can be traced? One between charlotte and Gastown one in university area?[/QUOTE]Well, probably too dumpy, but in University area, Relax Inn on N. Tryon even does hourly when they have rooms. Only trace there is your DNA you leave on the sheets.
[QUOTE=RockAndFire23;3292960]Need some help guys. I've got a couple ladies on the line. Non pros. Are there any mid range hotel / motels that will take cash without taking a card that can be traced? One between charlotte and Gastown one in university area?[/QUOTE]My experience has been even HI express will take cash. The card is only used for deposit. I've never had my card charged when paying cash up front.
What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]I don't particularly care for them. But, I've seen some ladies with tattoos that made them look sexy as hell.
I guess it depends on a couple of things.
1. the types and placement of the tattoos.
2. the number of tattoos.
3. the look of the person / body who is sporting the tattoos.
But as you stated. To each is own. But for me, it just depends.
Play Safe!
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]I am like HobbyExec in that more is not better for me. Don't mind tastefully done tats, but the full arm sleeve and huge tats running down thighs are a big turnoff for me.
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]I think they are hideous on women and overall not really a big tattoo fan. It seems a majority of the girls on BP are tatted up and I think it looks really trashy.
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]I'm not into tats on ladies in my real-life. But in this dream world I don't really care. I prefer none or few but if the body is nice and the personality is nice I don't care as much. I don't want to see some dudes name on a chick's tit's or ass while I'm pounding away though.
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]I love them, but it has be good quality and have some thought behind it, not random shit just to have a tattoo.
Never seen a black chick that add tatts that I thought looked Good.
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]I have little preference on whether someone I date has tatts or not, although I can be pretty opinionated on what constitutes a high quality tatt, as well as the difference between having a multiple tatts that fit together versus multiple tatts with no central theme / forethought.
As it relates to paid dates though, anything out of the ordinary is an adventure to me. So seeing a provider loaded up on tatts is going to cause me to invent a fantasy that I'm fulfilling by being with her. Not unlike being with twins, or someone with outrageously large or very tiny boobs.
[QUOTE=HobbyExec;3319408]I don't particularly care for them. But, I've seen some ladies with tattoos that made them look sexy as hell.
I guess it depends on a couple of things.
1. the types and placement of the tattoos.
2. the number of tattoos.
3. the look of the person / body who is sporting the tattoos.
But as you stated. To each is own. But for me, it just depends.
Play Safe![/QUOTE]Hex can speak for me on this issue. If a girl has a rocking bod and a great attitude. Maybe a tattoo sends you a view of her attitude. If she has a ehhh attitude the tattoo was a waste of money.
[QUOTE=Wildcat86;3293821]My experience has been even HI express will take cash. The card is only used for deposit. I've never had my card charged when paying cash up front.[/QUOTE]Get a prepaid cc and book a reservation online. Then present at check in. You should be fine. Walgreens, cvs, Wal mart all have. I suggest the non reloadable ones.
[QUOTE=scsmilingman;3324570]Get a prepaid cc and book a reservation online. Then present at check in. You should be fine. Walgreens, cvs, Wal mart all have. I suggest the non reloadable ones.[/QUOTE]Why the nonreloadable vs reloadable?
[QUOTE=Wildcat86;3324914]Why the nonreloadable vs reloadable?[/QUOTE]Reloadable cards usually ask for a lot of info. Address I'd numbers etc. My. 02 cents.
[QUOTE=BestBuyerNC;3319150]What's the opinion on tattoos? Do you guys prefer tattoos all over tits and ass? Is it just secret signal for hobbyists? I'm saying it just seems so unnecessary and unattractive IMO. I know to each his own but wanted to see if it's just me.[/QUOTE]No it is not just you. It kills my morning wood totally. It is a large part of why I am not mongering anymore. It is like the amount of fatties out there. I am so glad my sugar baby thing is going really well. But back to tats, they are like putting graffiti over a van Gough, or other art work. This is especially true when you see what was a gorgeous woman with a rocking body. I think that the smart girls are the ones who refrain from getting them, as they are becoming a premium. The majority of the women on BP make my hand look better.
OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]I'm not telling you what to do, but if I was in a situation like you described I would end the relationship.
What you describe is very sad for the young lady. If I were in your situation, I would reluctantly cut off funds to her. She may find another resource to use for her drug habit, but then the results will be on their conscience and not on yours. Good luck, and I hope she finds a way out of what she is doing.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
GB40.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you already had that honest "clean up" conversation with her. However, it doesn't really mean much when you just fucked her.
I would recommend you write down a couple of "help" numbers from some of the organizations out there that can help her. Schedule a meeting, have that talk, share those numbers, give her a Jackson, walk away, and never see her again. Maybe even offer to drive her somewhere. Just depends how much you really want to help her.
Good luck and know this won't be the last time your human side struggles with this type of dilemma.
I would walk away. Maybe offer some help numbers like one of the other guys suggested but I would not want to be involved with that let alone sponsoring it.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]
I get nervous when I see a butt bump. I mean I don't know if they are easy to get or maybe it comes from these girls going from hotel to hotel room and not cleaning the seat before sitting down or something but seems it could be indicative of an STD. Maybe? And then the nerve to take a picture of it. You can see it peeking out on one of these pics.
Eg.
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A member pointed out you don't mean much after you fucked her. If you still wanted to see her, I would let her burn for a good while so she can clean up the act. A forced separation if you will. Also, I would not drop her off at that parking lot if you do end up seeing her. Make her walk for it if she wants it. You will know her true feelings by doing that. BTW, your escapades and those of Gastonian helped me to learn more about the hobby.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]
Hey GB,
I think I agree with some of the comments and suggestions from other fellow mongers here. Without getting into details, give it a good shoot of helping her once again, and trying to bring her back out of the rabbit hole she's obviously getting further into. Give your best shoot, whatever you feel that is, but don't feed the monster that is growing within her. If she's not accepting help, remember, not everyone can be saved. I know it's hard to look at that happening, but Sometimes that's how life is for some people. Keep your conscious clean by not supporting her habit. That's just my 2 pennies Best of luck!
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]
I was dating a young lady for about a month when I found out she was a recovering heroin addict. She had supposedly been clean for a couple of years and I saw nothing to indicate otherwise. About 5 months into the relationship, I started seeing signs that made me concerned she was using again. I had been helping her out with bills and she always had to have cash for them. She finally admitted to it and started going to a methadone clinic, but still would ask for cash for bills and I refused because I told her it was possible for her to take methadone and still use which is a very dangerous thing. I really cared for her and we had a lot in common, but I couldn't risk funding her habit and having her potential death on my conscience, no matter how badly I would have liked to have made things work. If she had been willing to prove to me she wanted to stay clean, I would have done anything to help her do so, but that wasn't the case. Maybe someday she will realize what we had and what was lost, but sadly it seems they very rarely do. That drug is almost impossible for anyone to get free of.
All that said, I would recommend giving her an ultimatum. If you want to help her, offer to provide options for her to get help and offer to support her through it all. If she accepts, and as long as you are convinced she is following through, I'd stick by her. Otherwise, I'd have to let the relationship end.
InOut.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]That is indeed a moral dilemma. But deep down, we all know the answer. I think Sully said it best:
"Sounds like you already had that honest "clean up" conversation with her. However, it doesn't really mean much when you just fucked her.
I would recommend you write down a couple of "help" numbers from some of the organisations out there that can help her. Schedule a meeting, have that talk, share those numbers, give her a Jackson, walk away, and never see her again. Maybe even offer to drive her somewhere. Just depends how much you really want to help her.
Good luck and know this won't be the last time your human side struggles with this type of dilemma."
But maybe if she recovers, she will thank you for it (physical or not) but know you will have helped another human being. If you really want to see this girl recover, you could give her the nudge she needs. I knew a girl like this in ICT and she was the best in the sack I ever had. Another monger took her under his wing and got her into recovery. She has become his one and only and the fucking is even better. Not saying we all have to be Captain Save-s-ho's but sometimes it works. Lets just hope in her case it does. Peace brother, and good luck. JTW.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3407534]OK guys. I have a moral ethical dilemma here. Need your advice:
I've been seeing a 29 yr old hot spinner stripper for about a year now. We get together often and sortof have a friendship. But I'm not stupid, I know it is really just about the money for her. I know she has a drug habit but she swears she doesn't. She's afraid if she admits to the drugs that I might stop the flow of money.
Lately I have noticed her going on these 2 to 3 day binges right after she sees me. I'm pretty sure she takes the 1. 5 that I give her and spends it all on meth. Right after she sees me she has me drop her off to meet a "friend" in a parking lot then she disappears with them for a few days. It's obvious that they are buying / selling / smoking meth and I have enabled her by paying her. These binges are beginning to take a toll on her. She is getting thinner. And sicker. She suffers a lot of complications after a meth binge. I hear from her father how bad she feels several days after seeing me.
I could say I don't care what she does with the money as long as I'm getting what I want. And I do get everything I want and it's great. But it bothers me that she is getting so sick. If this continues she will end up in the hospital. Or worse.
Would you continue seeing her under these circumstances? And no I will not share her info with anyone.
GB40.[/QUOTE]Thanks everyone for your responses. And most of you agree that I should probably back off from her at least a little bit and maybe a lot. If I am asking myself the question, about whether to continue funding her (and fu*king her) then I really already know the answer.
This brings up and old idea that I have written about before. It's the fantasy vs reality thing that you eventually see when you've known a girl for a while. The fantasy is that you've found a hot young thing that likes you, enjoys your company, and even pretends to fall in love with you. Strip clubs are all about creating this fantasy. The reality is they only want your money and are not attracted to old, fat, bald guys. The even harsher reality is they need your money to buy drugs and they live in trailers and rarely eat, sleep, or bathe. Don't let the fantasy fool you. I've been doing this for a while and they all end up like this.
GB40.
GB, I've had more than my fair share of experience with addicts. Once they make up their mind to use, no one. Not a husband, boyfriend, father, the police, society, -- no one is going to stop them from their choice. No amount of talking, bribing, begging, pleading, discussing 'what will happen when you do xxxxx' is going to deter them.
I'll be the odd man out and advise you that you have a business relationship with her, not different from a relationship you might have with the guy who cuts your lawn. You pay them to show up once a week, and fulfill your expectations for how you want your lawn cut. It's none of your business if the guy has a raging hangover while cutting your lawn, nor if he is suffering from depression. You pay this girl to perform a certain service for you, as long as it is up to your expectations, I see no reason why you should curtail your contract with her. At most, your conversation should be about the contract, I. E. "what you do with your money and time is none of my business, but you should know that I'm not interested in seeing you when you are high. " (or whatever).
Not seeing her might be contrary to your goal: It's readily apparent from your posts over a long period of time that you are a good guy. Many of the submissions I read from you I instinctively look for an 'upvote' button to click, then realize USG doesn't have one. If this girl that you care about is going to get $ from someone, it's better that it's you than taking her chances with the random public.
I don't see a correlation in providing anyone money and responsibility for what they choose to do with that money.
[QUOTE=Calvin0;3416423]GB, I've had more than my fair share of experience with addicts. Once they make up their mind to use, no one. Not a husband, boyfriend, father, the police, society, -- no one is going to stop them from their choice. No amount of talking, bribing, begging, pleading, discussing 'what will happen when you do xxxxx' is going to deter them.
I'll be the odd man out and advise you that you have a business relationship with her, not different from a relationship you might have with the guy who cuts your lawn. You pay them to show up once a week, and fulfill your expectations for how you want your lawn cut. It's none of your business if the guy has a raging hangover while cutting your lawn, nor if he is suffering from depression. You pay this girl to perform a certain service for you, as long as it is up to your expectations, I see no reason why you should curtail your contract with her. At most, your conversation should be about the contract, I. E. "what you do with your money and time is none of my business, but you should know that I'm not interested in seeing you when you are high. " (or whatever).
Not seeing her might be contrary to your goal: It's readily apparent from your posts over a long period of time that you are a good guy. Many of the submissions I read from you I instinctively look for an 'upvote' button to click, then realize USG doesn't have one. If this girl that you care about is going to get $ from someone, it's better that it's you than taking her chances with the random public.
I don't see a correlation in providing anyone money and responsibility for what they choose to do with that money.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree it's best to keep things strictly business. And thanks for the compliment. I am a good guy. But I sure do mess with some bad girls.
If you see a girl regularly over a period of time, then feelings can develop where you actually care about her and her well being. At least that's the mistake I have made many times. And as I've said, the fantasy is that some true feelings are there but the reality is that it's just about money.
I'd like to think that the money helps these girls. (helps them buy necessities). But really the help is not helping. It's hurting them by enabling them to buy more drugs.
GB40.
[QUOTE=Gigabyte40;3421198]Yes I agree it's best to keep things strictly business. And thanks for the compliment. I am a good guy. But I sure do mess with some bad girls.
If you see a girl regularly over a period of time, then feelings can develop where you actually care about her and her well being. At least that's the mistake I have made many times. And as I've said, the fantasy is that some true feelings are there but the reality is that it's just about money.
I'd like to think that the money helps these girls. (helps them buy necessities). But really the help is not helping. It's hurting them by enabling them to buy more drugs.
GB40.[/QUOTE]GB, I agree with the gist of what Calvin0 said. I like to think that I'm a good guy too but I've made many wrong choices in this hobby and paid for them! If she's not getting the money from you, she'll get it from somewhere else so technically you're not enabling her. After reading the previous responses, I think you should keep seeing her if you get that much pleasure from it. Just be real careful and guard your feelings man!
Safe mongering and sugaring!
I debated whether to include this story with my reply to GB's moral dilemma.
When I moved to Charlotte several years ago I met an amazingly attractive young provider named Julie, who had just started that week to post on CL. She had dreams of being a hairdresser, and had recently had the stars align to meet her with some unfortunate circumstances which caused her to look for a little cash on the side.
(If you are a monger for long enough, you see with wonder and appreciation when you come upon someone who is innocent and eager to please -- this is long before they develop that hard exterior that protects them from people who would take advantage of them, or worse those 'providers' whose personality becomes jaded and their interest tilts toward scamming their customer instead of performing as agreed.).
I digress, but the Julie Anne I first met was honest and truly enjoyed herself, and even more so, she *thrived* off of being wanted by men. Great body, no clock watching, permissive, GFE, and a bargain of a rate. Everything a monger hopes to find. As those weeks turned into months and she saw more and more clients, she changed. The thrill of going from no money to having money to burn, and of course there were clients who started taking advantage of her. Her personality needed to change to protect herself. That money turned toxic for her at some point and went toward drugs. The habit along with the tough exterior she developed led to dramatically fewer clients. She'd go days without food, and text sometimes to ask me to bring her something to eat. Over the years things got rough, she'd often run out of the bare necessities like: razors, toilet paper, toothpaste,. I didn't see her very often, but when I was in her neighborhood, I'd drop off a little care package. I have not seen her in more than a year now, but I have never stopped wishing that she would have succeeded in reaching what is such a modest dream.
We can only truly be responsible for our own choices. I'm in no position to judge Julie's, or anyone's else's choices. I don't believe providing money for a service makes me an enabler. After all, how would I feel if my paycheck added an "*not to be used to buy alcohol nor tobacco" before the dollar sign?
[QUOTE=Calvin0;3421871]I debated whether to include this story with my reply to GB's moral dilemma.
When I moved to Charlotte several years ago I met an amazingly attractive young provider named Julie, who had just started that week to post on CL. She had dreams of being a hairdresser, and had recently had the stars align to meet her with some unfortunate circumstances which caused her to look for a little cash on the side.
(If you are a monger for long enough, you see with wonder and appreciation when you come upon someone who is innocent and eager to please -- this is long before they develop that hard exterior that protects them from people who would take advantage of them, or worse those 'providers' whose personality becomes jaded and their interest tilts toward scamming their customer instead of performing as agreed.).
I digress, but the Julie Anne I first met was honest and truly enjoyed herself, and even more so, she *thrived* off of being wanted by men. Great body, no clock watching, permissive, GFE, and a bargain of a rate. Everything a monger hopes to find. As those weeks turned into months and she saw more and more clients, she changed. The thrill of going from no money to having money to burn, and of course there were clients who started taking advantage of her. Her personality needed to change to protect herself. That money turned toxic for her at some point and went toward drugs. The habit along with the tough exterior she developed led to dramatically fewer clients. She'd go days without food, and text sometimes to ask me to bring her something to eat. Over the years things got rough, she'd often run out of the bare necessities like: razors, toilet paper, toothpaste,. I didn't see her very often, but when I was in her neighborhood, I'd drop off a little care package. I have not seen her in more than a year now, but I have never stopped wishing that she would have succeeded in reaching what is such a modest dream.
We can only truly be responsible for our own choices. I'm in no position to judge Julie's, or anyone's else's choices. I don't believe providing money for a service makes me an enabler. After all, how would I feel if my paycheck added an "*not to be used to buy alcohol nor tobacco" before the dollar sign?[/QUOTE]That's rough! I was close to only one provider in my years of hobbying and I can tell you it doesn't always end that way. If a provider keeps her eyes on the ball, usually she can get out before it is too late. My ATF was great at giving me the GFE, but we both knew she had bigger plans than working on her back. She got out and let her usuals know when she did. She managed it because a) No BF to steal her money, b) no pimp, c) had a budget and didn't blow it on drugs or "friends", and d) stayed focused with a set number of years she wanted out.
For me, I do miss her services, but at the end of the day I know this is best for all who are involved. Don't get attachef, don't get lazy, and definitely don't share anything you wouldn't with a stranger. It doesn't matter how long you hit them up, they all have an exit one way or another.