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[QUOTE=TravelingTom;7501369]I didn't know ITC was a solid option in Detroit. Where I'm at in Ohio that very rare. This is all good information to know. Not looking for just any girls. Do like some quality. LOL.[/QUOTE]Avoid the clubs in Detroit proper. Choose the clubs in Dearborn, Inkster, Romulus, Southgate, Lincoln Park. Looks as if you haven't spent much time on the thread. You'll get the flavor of the clubs in pricing tiers a d quality of girls.
[QUOTE=MichiBob;7500870]Not familiar with Cybil. Can you give a description. Age. Height. Weight. Busty? Race? Etc.[/QUOTE]Mid 30's-Early 40's; About 5' 6'; Average (not a spinner; not fat); wasn't looking at her tits but maybe B cup; Caucasian (Brunette).
She danced with a butt plug. I didn't go back with her, but remember the name.
Off that topic: How is BTs as far as scams and robs these days? I saw a lot of reports of robs coming from there, but that was months ago. I was pleasantly surprised by SC when I hit that area a while ago, and am now curious to try BTs the next time I'm down there (which may be when the snow stops). I went once years ago, but remember nothing from that visit. I might have been in and out.
[QUOTE=PinheadLarry;7501038]It is easier to get take out at the non-extra clubs. Many of those girls will otc with someone they're comfortable with, and for much less than the extra club girls.
Usually they ask for $300 or more, while the extra girls try to start at almost double that.
YMMV.[/QUOTE]I have no issues getting take out with ladies even from extras clubs. Heck I met one 2 weeks ago at a club, took her to the back, we had a heck of a lot of fun. At the end she gave me her number and said lets do this again, but not in here. Yesterday, we made that happen. And it was the same price as in the club for a lot longer, and A LOT more fun. It can happen. I have two others I met at a different club that I am working on OTC activities for later this week.
Daze.
[QUOTE=Daze94;7501655]I have no issues getting take out with ladies even from extras clubs. Heck I met one 2 weeks ago at a club, took her to the back, we had a heck of a lot of fun. At the end she gave me her number and said lets do this again, but not in here. Yesterday, we made that happen. And it was the same price as in the club for a lot longer, and A LOT more fun. It can happen. I have two others I met at a different club that I am working on OTC activities for later this week.
Daze.[/QUOTE]Getting OTC generally takes time, and the OP will be a first time Detoit SC visitor, coming from a town (Akron) with fewer club options, and undoubtedly less attractive dancers. Makes more sense for him to hit BT's, Criket, H8 and, Bogarts, Landing Strip, and maybe Flight Club and enjoy the many offerings. FC (and to lesser extent LS and BT) will give him sticker shock. For someone new to Detroit, why not enjoy the in club action first? While it's no longer the golden era of early aughts to mid-2010's, it's still something compared to most US cities.
I've been doing this for too many years and have seen the scene from when a table dance was literally that. A stripper dancing on a table and any contact got you bounced from the "club". Hell, they weren't even clubs back then, just crappy bars with strippers. The first VIP rooms were benches along a wall where one got lap dances (Booby Trap, BT's, Tycoons, Siloz).
I.
[QUOTE=HornKnee;7501641]Off that topic: How is BTs as far as scams and robs these days? [/QUOTE]HK,
It depends, how gullible are you?
The strip club is a buyer beware environment in the purest sense of caveat emptor. The girls are determined to get your money. And most guys who walk in are pretty determined to spend money. Now the girls can earn it the way you want leaving you drained and satisfied. Or she can cheat / steal it from you. The majority of dancers don't care how they acquire money and can't really see what happens beyond the next hour. They are simply trying to earn as much money as they can right at this minute, and life has taught them to take any short cuts available.
Understand that many guys really never get cheated anymore. Some girls try and we quickly dispatch and avoid them and find a girl who doesn't cheat, or force the girl away from any option to cheat and she decides the best way to drain my wallet is to also drain my balls.
If you pay in advance the majority of girls will cheat you, even the ones who happily have regulars lined up that they do not cheat. In fact a girl you may have gone back with several times suddenly announces you need pay her in advance this time. She is basically saying I am about to cheat you. I just recently had this happen, she claimed I had to pay in advance because the last guy she took to the VIP cheated her and she has a new policy. I said I am sorry I have never cheated anyone you know we have been together 3 times and I didn't cheat you. She says there are no exceptions. I say I am sorry I was really looking forward to this dance. She let me walk all the down the hallway, I was already talking to the bouncer guy asking for my $20 back at BTs saying the girl changed her mind. She caught up with me while talking to the bouncer and says it is ok, you can pay after. I will state it was our worst session although still enjoyable, but I am pretty sure she was pissed off that I didn't let her hustle me.
You would be surprised how many dudes swear up and down on this forum that they will not pay in advance. But then when she is standing their nearly naked and smiling, looking so good, and smelling so good, and her breath is on your skin, and you have a big hard on in your pants and she says you have pay now. The guy reaches into his pocket and pays, with in 5 minutes she has disappeared, and the poor dude is posting on here about how he got cheated.
The worst part about this is most guys only bring enough money for one session, so not only is he still horny but he lacks the funds necessary get relief. Ashamed he doesn't have recourse he leave the club. This is why cheating works so well for the girls because the guys leave afterward and there are big bouncers their to protect her. The smart guy pays for whatever dances she did and understand this happens some times, it is like knowing it will snow in winter some days. But the smart guy keeps most of his money in his pocket and can pay another girl for the relief he is seeking. The club is filled with girl some who will cheat and some who will not.
If you can keep you big head functioning and don't think with your dick. You should be ok.
MM.
[QUOTE=Daze94;7501655]I have no issues getting take out with ladies even from extras clubs. Heck I met one 2 weeks ago at a club, took her to the back, we had a heck of a lot of fun. At the end she gave me her number and said lets do this again, but not in here. Yesterday, we made that happen. And it was the same price as in the club for a lot longer, and A LOT more fun. It can happen. I have two others I met at a different club that I am working on OTC activities for later this week.
Daze.[/QUOTE]Thank you Daze.
As I stated I am not an OTC guy, but I have a buddy and he does it regularly with the girls. He simply tells them he is unable to successfully perform in the tight VIP spaces and takes her back for a dance or two. Many times he has the girl on the same night he meets her or a couple days later.
Not all girls do this, many girls have offered me their numbers, but I never take them. And I suspect the majority of girls do this selectively.
My advice to anyone trying it is most nights there are some girls who don't make their tip out or cover tip out but didn't earn any money. These girls will be willing that night because they still need money.
In my opinion the youngest and hottest girls (understanding looks are subjective) make plenty of money ITC, and rarely do OTC unless a guy works on them and builds their trust. But if you don't need a specific girl but can take almost any girl, I believe you can readily find what you want. The better looking you are, the better your personality and the fatter your wallet all increase your chance of success.
MM.
Over the years, I've gotten to know a number of dancers, some of whom I eventually invited to my house and began seeing on a semi-regular basis. It was a gradual process. I needed to feel comfortable enough to invite them over, and they, of course, had to feel comfortable enough with me to accept. It probably didn't hurt that I don't look unhinged or have posters of missing people plastered all over my walls.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7502616]HK,
It depends, how gullible are you?
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If you can keep you big head functioning and don't think with your dick. You should be ok..[/QUOTE]Just to add to what MM said, for me anyway, you have to be mentally prepared to walk out, and not pay anything. Sometimes they'll suck for 30 seconds, then stop and say you have to pay in advance. In that case I pay for one song and walk out. Unlike MM, I've never had the balls to ask for my VIP fee back!
[QUOTE=Passenger;7502275]Getting OTC generally takes time, and the OP will be a first time Detoit SC visitor, coming from a town (Akron) with fewer club options, and undoubtedly less attractive dancers. Makes more sense for him to hit BT's, Criket, H8 and, Bogarts, Landing Strip, and maybe Flight Club and enjoy the many offerings. FC (and to lesser extent LS and BT) will give him sticker shock. For someone new to Detroit, why not enjoy the in club action first? While it's no longer the golden era of early aughts to mid-2010's, it's still something compared to most US cities.
I've been doing this for too many years and have seen the scene from when a table dance was literally that. A stripper dancing on a table and any contact got you bounced from the "club". Hell, they weren't even clubs back then, just crappy bars with strippers. The first VIP rooms were benches along a wall where one got lap dances (Booby Trap, BT's, Tycoons, Siloz).
I.[/QUOTE]OMG, the Booby Trap!
I remember going there, man that was along time ago. My first non-PG Dance was at that place! Man does that bring back some memories.
I don't disagree, go enjoy the fun! The Detroit clubs mentioned are fun. I went on a tour the other day and hit Landing Strip, Flight Club and BT's and had all the fun possible at each club. Heck at Landing Strip, I had fun with two ladies. The better looking ladies at at Landing Strip and Flight Club, however they do come with a higher price. However if I am going out for some fun, I want the better looking ladies so I am willing to pay the better price. The ladies at BT's are kinda like the girst nextdoor, worth having fun, but not the old cheerleaders from your high school days.
Daze.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7502624]Thank you Daze.
As I stated I am not an OTC guy, but I have a buddy and he does it regularly with the girls. He simply tells them he is unable to successfully perform in the tight VIP spaces and takes her back for a dance or two. Many times he has the girl on the same night he meets her or a couple days later.
Not all girls do this, many girls have offered me their numbers, but I never take them. And I suspect the majority of girls do this selectively.
My advice to anyone trying it is most nights there are some girls who don't make their tip out or cover tip out but didn't earn any money. These girls will be willing that night because they still need money.
In my opinion the youngest and hottest girls (understanding looks are subjective) make plenty of money ITC, and rarely do OTC unless a guy works on them and builds their trust. But if you don't need a specific girl but can take almost any girl, I believe you can readily find what you want. The better looking you are, the better your personality and the fatter your wallet all increase your chance of success.
MM.[/QUOTE]I am not taking just anyone to a room. I am very selective on who I have my fun with, and who I don't. I am going to a club looking to just get off. I am looking for the best looking in the club, get them in the VIP, have some fun, treat them with respect and then they offer their numbers so we can go have fun at a later date out of the club. Heck most of the time the ladies I am seeing are busy most of the night in the club, so I am looking to take the out, and have some fun out of the club. That in club experience for both the guys and the ladies can get to be old. Many of the ladies are looking for a better expereince and are willing to do it out of the club from my experience.
Daze.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;7503474]Just to add to what MM said, for me anyway, you have to be mentally prepared to walk out, and not pay anything. Sometimes they'll suck for 30 seconds, then stop and say you have to pay in advance. In that case I pay for one song and walk out. Unlike MM, I've never had the balls to ask for my VIP fee back![/QUOTE]PL,
If I am back there for a song or two I don't ask for my VIP fee back, but she literally said this the moment the curtain was closed. It was probably 10 or 15 seconds from the time we entered the VIP until I walked out. That doesn't seem like a dance to me.
MM.
Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]These girls almost all do OTC. The main key is getting to know them by visiting the club multiple times. They all have to have a safe vibe from you before they will procede. The one thing they have in common too is that pussy is a money makin machine. Mm686.
[QUOTE=Daze94;7503903]OMG, the Booby Trap!
I remember going there, man that was along time ago. My first non-PG Dance was at that place! Man does that bring back some memories.
I don't disagree, go enjoy the fun! The Detroit clubs mentioned are fun. I went on a tour the other day and hit Landing Strip, Flight Club and BT's and had all the fun possible at each club. Heck at Landing Strip, I had fun with two ladies. The better looking ladies at at Landing Strip and Flight Club, however they do come with a higher price. However if I am going out for some fun, I want the better looking ladies so I am willing to pay the better price. The ladies at BT's are kinda like the girst nextdoor, worth having fun, but not the old cheerleaders from your high school days.
Daze.[/QUOTE]I was too young to ever experience the Booby Trap, but I dated the owners daughter for about 2 years.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]Arianabp, you sure have a lot of self-confidence for a Newbie.
After reading my original reply, I was way too negative and preachy, so I deleted it all, and will start over.
1) You asked how to bring up the subject of seeing her outside-the-club? Answer, the same way you talk to her about VIP. If you feel "the time is right", confidently TELL her what you want. Example: Stare into her eyes for a few seconds, pause, and say, "I want to spend time with you at a hotel". Shut up and keep looking into her eyes, but don't be creepy. Her actions and words will give you the answer. Let her talk, and you'll know what to do next.
2) Let her propose a price. If she insists you "go first", either be direct and tell her, or make a joke (example: "Well, it depends how much I charge YOU to give you a soft, slow, sensual massage" Again, take a clue from her actions and words on how to proceed, or whether to just drop it. Accept the fact that it's going to cost you more than what you just paid her for a quickie (maybe MUCH more). Remember, YOU have the final say on whether to accept or decline. Don't be afraid to say NO to anything. Tomorrow is another day.
3) You asked about "a date" or "just the sex". Depending on the girl it could go either way. Again, take the clues that she's giving you, and proceed accordingly. This topic is where I got preachy, so I'll end here.
Self-confidence is a good thing to have in life. Go for it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]Generally girls dance at non-extras clubs for a reason. If she wanted to do extras she would dance at an extras club.
[QUOTE=Nick6789;7504626]Generally girls dance at non-extras clubs for a reason. If she wanted to do extras she would dance at an extras club.[/QUOTE]
This is a great point and I want to add to it...
Girls at non-extras clubs who have no pimp will usually be happy to see you for $500 or $1000 OTC, if they open to that type of activity.
Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp. Many of the girls above that price range still have a pimp. Whether they are a 2 or a 10, they have a pimp. The lower prices means that team is stacking on volume. They are usually brought to an extras club by a pimp to begin with, or are recruited by a pimp's bottom girl. They hide this well in the clubs and in social media. Usually a single pimp has several girls in a club, or girls at multiple clubs.
If you are a newbie and find this shocking, or even a veteran monger and did not realize it, it's a reality in Detroit. Usually dancers don't even know who other dancer's pimps are.
I say all this to make one point. Pimps decide if their girls can do OTC or not, not your charm or game.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]Otc requires a lot of time and work, from building rapport, negotiation, booking a hotel if you can't do it home, that requires a lot of planning.
That's not going to work for someone who is a family man with busy work life schedule. I have regulars who wanted to meet otc but I'm just too lazy to book a hotel LOL setting an appointment for me is just PIA also I think it's more thrilling to meet a new girl then doing it after a few drinks.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]Speaking from experience, I would keep the action in the club. Unless you've known her for a while and have built up rapport. So many of these girls are into some shady shit that you don't want to bring into your home. And the hotel thing sounds good in theory, but expect to pay more than in the club, and then you've got the cost of the room on top of it. Not to mention, girls are unreliable, so don't expect a reply, and don't be surprised if they blow you off after you already paid for the room. All of these things have happened to me, along with lots of other weird things I don't want get into.
[QUOTE=Lurker1988;7504744]Otc requires a lot of time and work, from building rapport, negotiation, booking a hotel if you can't do it home, that requires a lot of planning.
That's not going to work for someone who is a family man with busy work life schedule. I have regulars who wanted to meet otc but I'm just too lazy to book a hotel LOL setting an appointment for me is just PIA also I think it's more thrilling to meet a new girl then doing it after a few drinks.[/QUOTE]Good post! Very little is to be gained by us guys by meeting OTC, it is in fact the girls who benefit as they make just as much and pay no fees, I get asked to meet OTC the club all the time and after trying it a few times I realized it was not any better of an experience, I think a large part of the OTC experience includes drugs.
Anyone try out a SC Sunday day shift yet since they turned on that schedule? I'm thinking about heading down to watch football today and wanted to know if it would be a worthy stop with decent talent? Tia.
[QUOTE=CakeComa;7505190]Anyone try out a SC Sunday day shift yet since they turned on that schedule? I'm thinking about heading down to watch football today and wanted to know if it would be a worthy stop with decent talent? Tia.[/QUOTE]I was there on a recent Sunday and while there were not more than 8-9 dancers it was very apparent that they were all there to make some money!!
I left pleased.
[QUOTE=CakeComa;7505190]Anyone try out a SC Sunday day shift yet since they turned on that schedule? I'm thinking about heading down to watch football today and wanted to know if it would be a worthy stop with decent talent? Tia.[/QUOTE]This is my new favorite time slot. I just left an hour ago. It started in November. You will see familiar faces on this shift who are normally at BT's, but you get the more chill atmosphere of SC Sundays on the new day shift.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]Like others have said, the key is building a rapport with them.
I had a great thing for a long time when I used to live in Novi. There was a dancer at the Landing Strip that I had a lot of fun with. She used to work Sundays, which didn't open until later. She had a boyfriend, which most of them do, so she would tell him that she was going to the mall shopping before she would go to the club. I used to pick her up at the mall and take her to a hotel and fuck her for a couple of hours before her shift and then drop her back off at the mall.
It was a great thing until one time she told me that she and I should date and I asked her why, so she could find someone else to go to the mall with. That was the last time I saw her outside the club.
[QUOTE=DarkTraveler;7505335]This is my new favorite time slot. I just left an hour ago. It started in November. You will see familiar faces on this shift who are normally at BT's, but you get the more chill atmosphere of SC Sundays on the new day shift.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;7505275]I was there on a recent Sunday and while there were not more than 8-9 dancers it was very apparent that they were all there to make some money!! I left pleased.[/QUOTE]I tried it out as well, glad I did. Maybe 10 or so girls. Couple real good options. Couple not so much. I had a good time with a couple new girls. Glad to see another option for Sunday during the day other than BTs. Thanks for the reply's.
[QUOTE=Ezcumezgo80;7505438]Like others have said, the key is building a rapport with them.
I had a great thing for a long time when I used to live in Novi. There was a dancer at the Landing Strip that I had a lot of fun with. She used to work Sundays, which didn't open until later. She had a boyfriend, which most of them do, so she would tell him that she was going to the mall shopping before she would go to the club. I used to pick her up at the mall and take her to a hotel and fuck her for a couple of hours before her shift and then drop her back off at the mall.
It was a great thing until one time she told me that she and I should date and I asked her why, so she could find someone else to go to the mall with. That was the last time I saw her outside the club.[/QUOTE]I concur with all past reports. I'm from Grand Rapids but when I mosey out to the east side for some US12 fun, I make sure I have good connections. Have a current dancer who works at Bogarts, matter of fact, who the first time I banged her in the club, she told me (and I'm sure others) how much she'd love to fuck me in a bed. So now when I know I'm coming there on a weekend like this coming weekend, I'll notify her and I'll meet up with her at her hotel in Belleville and pound the shit out of her a couple times for a good hour and spend the exact same I would at the club. Plus she doesn't have to tip anyone out. But I treat her and all 63 girls I have in my hobby phone with the utmost respect because I want to make sure for a 5 hour round trip that I leave happy every time.
[QUOTE=CakeComa;7505459]I tried it out as well, glad I did. Maybe 10 or so girls. Couple real good options. Couple not so much. I had a good time with a couple new girls. Glad to see another option for Sunday during the day other than BTs. Thanks for the reply's.[/QUOTE]Sunday dayshift at SC is much like Saturday dayshift you may find a dancer from night shift or a different club workin, definitely worth checking out.
[QUOTE=DarkTraveler;7504681]This is a great point and I want to add to it...
Girls at non-extras clubs who have no pimp will usually be happy to see you for $500 or $1000 OTC, if they open to that type of activity.
Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp. Many of the girls above that price range still have a pimp. Whether they are a 2 or a 10, they have a pimp. The lower prices means that team is stacking on volume. They are usually brought to an extras club by a pimp to begin with, or are recruited by a pimp's bottom girl. They hide this well in the clubs and in social media. Usually a single pimp has several girls in a club, or girls at multiple clubs.
If you are a newbie and find this shocking, or even a veteran monger and did not realize it, it's a reality in Detroit. Usually dancers don't even know who other dancer's pimps are.
I say all this to make one point. Pimps decide if their girls can do OTC or not, not your charm or game.[/QUOTE]To say "ALL" gals who work at "extras" clubs has a "pimp" is painting way too broad of a brush. If you include the many often deadbeat loser so called "boyfriends" who they support as their "pimps" this ratio increases for sure. There are PLENTY of strippers with no real boyfriends or pimps who work at "extras" clubs as the dynamics of working in this industry make meaningful serious relationships even more complex than they already are.
I glad that others have found some success.
There is no denying that meeting outside-the-club is riskier than inside-the-club. It's also more work than just getting an escort.
Almost every girl that I've seen outside-the-club, I've seen inside-the-club MANY times beforehand and developed a friendly relationship. I assume that they trusted me, and I didn't fear a disappointing outcome with them. A few times it "just kind of happened". It's weird that I would have no problem seeing Escorts that I've never met before, but Strippers required some type of connection first.
I've only felt comfortable bringing HOME 2 strippers for OTC. One lived with her parents, and I even met her father at a party she had. She did NOT have a pimp. The other was a single mom, and I've already been to her house several times and met her kids and roommates. It's unlikely she had a pimp. The only ones she seemed beholden to were her kids.
The other OTC Girls I've seen either at their place or a short stay motel. Did they have pimps? Who knows? If so, it was a non-issue.
Depending on the girl, she may only be open OTC to the equivalent of a "Club Quickie". Here the value of OTC is minimal compared to her performance inside-the-club. I agree, why bother going outside? Other girls may be open to more of a "date" experience. Most (of mine) were somewhere in-between (60-120 minutes and maybe some food time). True story: I took that single mom and her 2 boys to the circus. She was so grateful that afterwards she dropped them off at a friend's house and I spent the night (twice) for no charge.
I guess deep-down I'm an "Escort Guy" and find added-value in a quiet environment with a bed. Why even bother with strippers? I don't know, I guess I'm just "hard wired" to crave them like an addict craves drugs.
I chose my OTC targets wisely (with my big head), and even then, my OTC acceptance rate is nothing to brag about, but I'm happy with the wins, and happy that I asked.
Thinking more about this topic, I acknowledge that OTC would be more desirable for the younger guys than old farts like me. From Arianabp's past posts, I'm guessing he's in his 20's or 30's. He already paid for $500 escorts. I offer him encouragement to use his best judgement and give it a shot if he's interested.
[QUOTE=DarkTraveler;7504681]This is a great point and I want to add to it...
Girls at non-extras clubs who have no pimp will usually be happy to see you for $500 or $1000 OTC, if they open to that type of activity.
Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp. Many of the girls above that price range still have a pimp. Whether they are a 2 or a 10, they have a pimp. The lower prices means that team is stacking on volume. They are usually brought to an extras club by a pimp to begin with, or are recruited by a pimp's bottom girl. They hide this well in the clubs and in social media. Usually a single pimp has several girls in a club, or girls at multiple clubs.
If you are a newbie and find this shocking, or even a veteran monger and did not realize it, it's a reality in Detroit. Usually dancers don't even know who other dancer's pimps are.
I say all this to make one point. Pimps decide if their girls can do OTC or not, not your charm or game.[/QUOTE]DT,
I mean you no disrespect and believe your post is true for you.
The following statement is just false for me.
- Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp.
While many of the girls I may not know well enough to determine if she has a pimp, I am aware of over 20 girls I have gotten to know well and am believe with certainty they do not have pimps.
MM.
[QUOTE=Ezcumezgo80;7505438]She used to work Sundays, which didn't open until later. she would tell him that she was going to the mall shopping before she would go to the club. I used to pick her up at the mall and take her to a hotel and fuck her for a couple of hours before her shift and then drop her back off at the mall.
[/QUOTE]E80,
I love this story. I see so many guys fighting to be the first to take her to the VIP in the club. I have seen guys turn down girls because they took another guy before them. And I nearly got in a fight one time with a guy because I was on the way to the VIP with his stripper, thank fully the bouncers intervened.
All these guys have the illusion that she arrives at the club freshly showered from her home. I always suspected that many of these girls are banging their favorite customers right before their shift and you already guy number 2 even if you are her first in the club.
I don't really care but so many other guys seem to.
MM.
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;7504947]I get asked to meet OTC the club all the time and after trying it a few times I realized it was not any better of an experience.[/QUOTE]Thank you JOC.
I also get asked with a surprising frequency. Maybe these girls are pegging us a nice guys and won't take advantage or cheat them. I don't know how they could figure that out as I barely know them and am often offered shortly after meeting them.
It is not my thing so I don't pursue it. For many of these girls, I always think about why is she offering it so soon. I worry I am the one getting scammed. I think maybe her pimp will come to the room and they will rob me. Maybe they will tail me and find out my license plate. I usually drive a rental car, but maybe they can figure out who rented the car, or they may learn my identity if I rent a room.
I always feel like I have something to lose and they don't. I believe most of the times I wouldn't get cheated but I am usually more afraid than the girl. I would only want to do it with a girl that I have built a lot of rapport with.
Maybe I am just a scaredy cat.
MM.
[QUOTE=CakeComa;7505190]Anyone try out a SC Sunday day shift yet since they turned on that schedule? I'm thinking about heading down to watch football today and wanted to know if it would be a worthy stop with decent talent? Tia.[/QUOTE]CC,
Great post I didn't know this.
Sunday is my usual day to fly into town so I would often do Sundays at BTs or going back a long time at Players.
I found Sundays can be hit or miss. If the girls make good money on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, then Sunday would be slow and not a very good time. However if they didn't make money Sundays could have a lot of girls and be eager to get in the VIP.
I also like the atmosphere and the vibe better on Sunday, it is more relaxed, hardly any make it rain guys, because they are really showing off for the other males to say I am an alpha. The girls tend to linger more and sit and talk with you as there are a lot less customers and I enjoy this.
I will have to check it out.
MM.
Finally made it out to h8 first time in months. Went back with Alaxandra or something similar her name started with an a I know that and it was a little unique. I'd guess mid 30's she says she only works day and is soft spoken, nice girl. 4'11" b cup and a tight little ass, said she was a gymnast growing up I certainly believe it. Good performance in back, she could ride due to her stockings so hit it from behind, cars and CBJ for 140, she started at 200. I ended up giving a very small tip as well. She was very tight and seemed to really get into it rubbing herself I'm pretty sure I got a little wet on my legs but was standing at an weird angle due to the height difference. I came after 1 song, stayed in and pounded for 4 more songs I didn't cum a 2nd time but was close. I felt the condom falling off since she was so tight if I stayed in I'd definitely would have CIP I do admit she felt so good towards the end when I could really feel her.
Overall I'd repeat would definitely ask for otc next time as I bet she's super fun tossing around. Looks were average face 5 or 6, tight nice body a 7 or so.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7507354]
I am aware of over 20 girls I have gotten to know well and am believe with certainty they do not have pimps.
MM.[/QUOTE]No disrespect taken. If you never been on that side of the game it's completely hidden from you. I know a girl living with a boyfriend she met in the club 2 years ago and he has no idea she is still with her P. He doesn't know she ever had one.
It's important to remember it's all an illusion, and this is the game taught to a girls dancers by their P. All the talk here about game and personality should be tempered with that.
[QUOTE=DarkTraveler;7508347]No disrespect taken. If you never been on that side of the game it's completely hidden from you. I know a girl living with a boyfriend she met in the club 2 years ago and he has no idea she is still with her P. He doesn't know she ever had one.
It's important to remember it's all an illusion, and this is the game taught to a girls dancers by their P. All the talk here about game and personality should be tempered with that.[/QUOTE]Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.
Thanks for all the advice on OTC and in general. I really appreciate them.
Does anyone have any recommendations? Preferably not a fatty. If so, can you suggest a name, club and shift? I'm talking natural DD and up.
I know the thrill is in the hunt and I've got decades of that. But my time has become more limited these days. Thank you in advance!
[QUOTE=Stewy56;7508558]Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.[/QUOTE]It is indeed a blurry line, but I would suggest that just being supported by a dancer or other sex worker doesn't make a guy a pimp. It makes him a freeloader, just like any other guy being supported by his girlfriend regardless of what she does for a living. Seems to me a guy has to have some kind of involvement in her business in order to be a pimp. That involvement might simply be pressuring her to have sex for money so that he can sponge off her.
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;7509517]It is indeed a blurry line, but I would suggest that just being supported by a dancer or other sex worker doesn't make a guy a pimp. It makes him a freeloader, just like any other guy being supported by his girlfriend regardless of what she does for a living. Seems to me a guy has to have some kind of involvement in her business in order to be a pimp. That involvement might simply be pressuring her to have sex for money so that he can sponge off her.[/QUOTE]I am not talking about men adjacent to or dating dancers. Real 16's and their 304's make up nearly the entirety of the low cost FS scene in these clubs. A girl may move between different P's or stay with the same one for years, all while having babies, showing a normal life on instagram and living with a boyfriend. You may occasionally catch a renegade on solo but she is always soon enough back with a P. Its usually well hidden and you would never know if you aren't at after parties and other events.
My main purpose in sharing this is so mongers don't get too caught up thinking there is a serious connection with someone, or throwing extra money at a girl to help them out. All the $$ is going to a P 99% of the time. It is a whole lifestyle and sometimes mutually beneficial in ways I won't get into. I am not for or against it.
16's and 304's travel here because there is no other club scene like it in the country.