Thanks for the advices and noted
[QUOTE=FortyFour;7480406]Number 1. I remember you admitting to being a Newbie. Being humble helped you get many replies from others, where you otherwise may have been ignored. Advice, stop with the abbreviations and don't start using any stupid codes like "Dreams, Roses, and $$. 5". It will NOT help you fit in, and will actually cause you to LOSE credibility. Stop with "BO" - it means body odor, NOT Bogarts. Speak like an adult and you'll gain credibility.
Number 2. You ask about tipping. You're going to get several different viewpoints here from "Hell no" to "Always", with their reasons why. You won't find the right-wrong answer that you're looking for.
I asked that tipping question many years ago about escorts. Escorts are not the same as strippers, and the fact that it was many years ago make my comments meaningless, but I am going to share them anyway. For escorts, the overwhelming tipping viewpoint from the guys was "yes for agency girls, no for independent girls". Even the girls at that time would say, "I charge enough. I'd rather that you see me again and again, than get an extra tip now". Again, this was years ago when escorts had more "honor" and business savvy. A stripper with that viewpoint i(rather than looking for a one-time cash grab) is likely to keep me coming back.
I'd argue that strippers are independent, even though the club gets a "cut of her earnings". My thought on tipping strippers is NO, we made an agreement at the table for services and compensation. There is no expectation for a tip like there is for a waitress (where I always tip above 20% Yes, I have given strippers tips if she goes above and beyond (my definition what that line is). There's no doubt in my mind that she earned more than agreed, and I have no guilt in letting her know that. Yes, even without a tip, I'll let her know if I'm impressed and plan to see her again, and I honor my word. No, I don't make an excuse for not tipping. I believe that UNNECESSARILY tipping strippers does NOT make someone look like a "cool high roller", it makes them look like an insecure bumpkin trying to get a girl to like him (and the girl can tell the difference).
So what should you do? If the girl rocks your world and you're tempted to ask her to marry you, tip her instead (humor font).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advices and noted.
What about the girls at De Javu, would you consider them independent or agency? I know their room is overpriced but the one at Lansing have good deals sometime and I still go.
Really interesting approach. I'm going to steal that.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7480947]Strange I get asked for tips frequently.
I do not think people should most of the time. I agree that you negotiated at the table for a fair price, and unless she does something exceptional, then a tip is not warranted.
I do think tipping is a great negotiating tool. Regardless of what I negotiate I always have an extra $20 for a tip. I find that amount is highly appreciated and can be given as a bill.
When I am with a new girl, I will often tell her that if I am completely satisfied with the session I will add a tip. Or let's say she wants $300 and I offer her $200. She replies meet in the middle at $250. I will counter that and say I am comfortable at $230 and I will give a $20 tip if I am completely satisfied with the session. I am honest in my assessment, but if she give me an unresponsive hug or tells me I am going to slow, then I don't pay the tip part.
If I see 10 girls it is likely that only 2 or 3 will earn my tip. And since I like to repeat I don't tip every time. For example if she has what I perceive to be an orgasm (yes I know girls are good at faking) I might tip for that. If the next she doesn't have an orgasm or I think she is faking then I don't tip her.
Similarly I have had girls say they thought their session merits a tip. I respectfully decline, and they often offer can they do something else for tip. I might say send me a naked photo, or let me follow you on social media. To me those things are worth a tip.
But I do admit my favorite girls who I will see multiple times and have learned what I enjoy and are happy providing it to me earn the vast majority of my tips. I think the girls absolutely deserve it. If I am not sure a girl deserves a tip then I won't tip her which the vast majority of the girls I try out.
Tipping sets a bad expectation and girls should not expect tips from most guys, they should earn those tips.
JOC thinking about this now, I know girls talk and perhaps you don't get asked because you have reputation of not giving tips, and I get asked because the girls know I have tipped other dancers before and have a reputation for giving tips. This is interesting and requires more thought.
MM.[/QUOTE]Really interesting approach. I'm going to steal that. Thanks for sharing as always.
A polite request for recomendations
Hi, I'll be visiting Monday and would like to ask for some recommendations clubs. I prefer athletic women in their 20's, no preference on race. I've been in the hobby for awhile, but have yet to have any fun in the club. I appreciate all the help, and if there are any other providers I should see while I'm here please let me know!
Who's the fourth from the left? I'd definitely like to partake in het.
Who's the blonde, fourth from the left? I would love to see her sometime.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;7482600]Listed below are dancers that I sampled this year. I hit the clubs four to six times per month. The first part of 2025, I had more great sessions than the second half. Noted () is when I recall last seeing each dancer at each club. Average damage was 190, not including the VIP fee, for what I wanted.
BT's: Paris (October), Rosie (May), Star (September), and Vixen (December) were great; would repeat. Delilah (November) was good; might repeat. I've heard that Rosie dances night shift at Bogart's, although I haven't gone there to verify.
Landing Strip: L (December) was great; would repeat. Katie (May) and Silk (December) were good; might repeat. Misty (December) was just okay; wouldn't repeat.
Silver Criket: Harmony (February) was great; would repeat. Britney (December), Doja (December), Jessie (January), and Sparkle (October) were good; might repeat. I've read that Harmony dances at Playhouse club, but I haven't been there to verify. Jessie isn't the Southern dancer that bounces between BT's and Criket.
Subi's Place: Entice (May) and Misty (March) were great; would repeat. January (September) and Virgo (November) were good; might repeat. Siren (December) was just okay; wouldn't repeat. I've heard that Misty, not the Landing Strip dancer, might return to dancing at Subi's soon.
L, Misty at Subi's, Paris, and Rosie were my favorites. Attached are a few pictures for reference.[/QUOTE]
Very helpful. Who is the slim girl in the last pic? I would love to see her.
[QUOTE=JulesJordan;7482600]Listed below are dancers that I sampled this year. I hit the clubs four to six times per month. The first part of 2025, I had more great sessions than the second half. Noted () is when I recall last seeing each dancer at each club. Average damage was 190, not including the VIP fee, for what I wanted.
BT's: Paris (October), Rosie (May), Star (September), and Vixen (December) were great; would repeat. Delilah (November) was good; might repeat. I've heard that Rosie dances night shift at Bogart's, although I haven't gone there to verify.
Landing Strip: L (December) was great; would repeat. Katie (May) and Silk (December) were good; might repeat. Misty (December) was just okay; wouldn't repeat.
Silver Criket: Harmony (February) was great; would repeat. Britney (December), Doja (December), Jessie (January), and Sparkle (October) were good; might repeat. I've read that Harmony dances at Playhouse club, but I haven't been there to verify. Jessie isn't the Southern dancer that bounces between BT's and Criket.
Subi's Place: Entice (May) and Misty (March) were great; would repeat. January (September) and Virgo (November) were good; might repeat. Siren (December) was just okay; wouldn't repeat. I've heard that Misty, not the Landing Strip dancer, might return to dancing at Subi's soon.
L, Misty at Subi's, Paris, and Rosie were my favorites. Attached are a few pictures for reference.[/QUOTE]Also, an average of 190 seems to be a really good price for BT and LS. My average has been 300 for the last few visits. Does what you want include FS and some warmup dance? If so, do you have any advice on handling negotiation? Again, really appreciate your posts.
Just saw Bmarr's post. She is Vixen at BT. When does she usually work?
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7482817]Also, an average of 190 seems to be a really good price for BT and LS. My average has been 300 for the last few visits. Does what you want include FS and some warmup dance? If so, do you have any advice on handling negotiation? Again, really appreciate your posts.[/QUOTE]Just saw Bmarr's post. She is Vixen at BT. When does she usually work? Anyone know?
Sunday night at Bogart's, Rosie
I suspected I overpaid a little, but I had an amazing time with Rosie. Early 20's, white girl, nice communication and not rushed. Everything covered.