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[QUOTE=GeneSimmons;6745562]This is really a bunch of bullshit.[/QUOTE]Agreed, I was planning to visit one of these today, my back and legs are in a decent amount of pain and they really do help a lot. Along with the benefit of what consenting adults can do behind closed doors.

Seems like a part of the caste system putting their heal on the neck of those who don't think the same way as the overreacting religion controlling our laws. But, any LE here will just point and laugh like a bully / troll.

Anyway, fingers crossed I can find another place.

[QUOTE=GeneSimmons;6745562]This is really a bunch of bullshit. I think the fact that you could get a legit good massage at most of these places. I've got chronic back pain and muscle tightness due to a confirmed medical condition and I can't tell you the number of times these ladies have worked out the knots to at least make me feel a little bit normal. The Chinese pressure point work they do can't really be found at your typical day spa type establishment. For all their talk about free markets and protecting small businesses, this obviously doesn't work for our local overlords if the business is run by Asian women and they don't like community perception of the service provided.

As an aside, I ventured up to a recently mentioned establishment in Cumming last week but the lady I drew told me she couldn't provide any extra services at the instruction of management. She was super nice and apologetic and I completely understood. Whatever places are left are so freaked about getting arrested or whatever they won't allow even a hint of impropriety. I mentioned the 'human trafficking' bs that was being thrown about to her and she confirmed that nothing like that is happening or at least in very rare exceptions. These are just hard working ladies trying make a buck.[/QUOTE]I am hopeful an enterprising attorney has reached out to these business owners and others to mount a legal challenge. This is a blatant violation of constitutional rights to be innocent until proven guilty. The city assumes all of massage business owners are engaging in criminal activity- obviously this is an overreach. I would suspect a good attorney could make millions suing the city.

[QUOTE=RiverRat99;6747099]I am hopeful an enterprising attorney has reached out to these business owners and others to mount a legal challenge. This is a blatant violation of constitutional rights to be innocent until proven guilty. The city assumes all of massage business owners are engaging in criminal activity- obviously this is an overreach. I would suspect a good attorney could make millions suing the city.[/QUOTE]Not only that, it appears to be an anti-Asian policy. They are only going after the Chinese Massage studios. I don't see them going after other massage studio run by non-Asians.

[QUOTE=RiverRat99;6747099]I am hopeful an enterprising attorney has reached out to these business owners and others to mount a legal challenge. This is a blatant violation of constitutional rights to be innocent until proven guilty. The city assumes all of massage business owners are engaging in criminal activity- obviously this is an overreach. I would suspect a good attorney could make millions suing the city.[/QUOTE]It's not easy! City and County already had evidence and witnesses along with legal advice from their legal council team before sending the letters to the landlords or business owners. And I bet business owners already seek legal advice from their attorneys.

[QUOTE=RiverRat99;6747099]I am hopeful an enterprising attorney has reached out to these business owners and others to mount a legal challenge. This is a blatant violation of constitutional rights to be innocent until proven guilty. The city assumes all of massage business owners are engaging in criminal activity- obviously this is an overreach. I would suspect a good attorney could make millions suing the city.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Poshir;6747171]It's not easy! City and County already had evidence and witnesses along with legal advice from their legal council team before sending the letters to the landlords or business owners. And I bet business owners already seek legal advice from their attorneys.[/QUOTE]There are a few different players and circumstances involved in the massage shop raids, arrests and shut-downs:

The Roswell massage shop shutdowns are the result of a combination of the City (Mayor, Police and City Council) plus overly active and obsessive "concerned" citizens. Fulton County has been supportive and was represented by District Attorney Fani Willis at the September 22,2022 Roswell Press Conference. Interestingly, ALL of the arrests and compliance violations were made by Roswell Police Department.

The "Landlord Letters" sent primarily in Cobb County, are all from the State of Georgia Attorney General's Human Trafficking Prosecution Unit led by a former Cobb County and DeKalb County Assistant District Attorney, who was appointed to the position of Chief of Human Trafficking Prosecution Unit in June 2019, subsequent to their formation by Georgia Governor Brian P. Kemp and Attorney General Chris Carr.

The vast majority of these shops had no arrests and / or any other prior legal issues, but the letters to the Landlords included online reviews and advertisements serving as the "cause". Unfortunately, the Landlords did not challenge the admissibility of the "evidence" they received and instead took immediate action against their massage shop tenants and terminated leases without any due process whatsoever.

[QUOTE=RiverRat99;6747099]I am hopeful an enterprising attorney has reached out to these business owners and others to mount a legal challenge. This is a blatant violation of constitutional rights to be innocent until proven guilty. The city assumes all of massage business owners are engaging in criminal activity- obviously this is an overreach. I would suspect a good attorney could make millions suing the city.[/QUOTE]"Innocent until proven guilty" is a phrase from like 1985. The Constitution offers a due process clause, which really doesn't solve the problem at hand. This is an important concept to consider when we look at what's going on here.

What you're proposing is a valid idea, but requires a lot of gumption and money. It would take years and the discovery process would be very uncomfortable for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs would very likely appear before an unsympathetic jury if it went to trial. Not sure who'd want to take that case but if it appeared lucrative, even as a long shot, there would be attorneys doing it by now.

When the government wants to shut your business down, they have dozens of ways to do it and litigating a municipality is frighteningly expensive and time consuming. Most small businesses do not have the resources to do this. Ask anyone who's tried to litigate on zoning, inspections, etc. Trust me, it's a nightmare.

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;6747348]"Innocent until proven guilty" is a phrase from like 1985. The Constitution offers a due process clause, which really doesn't solve the problem at hand. This is an important concept to consider when we look at what's going on here.

What you're proposing is a valid idea, but requires a lot of gumption and money. It would take years and the discovery process would be very uncomfortable for the plaintiffs. The plaintiffs would very likely appear before an unsympathetic jury if it went to trial. Not sure who'd want to take that case but if it appeared lucrative, even as a long shot, there would be attorneys doing it by now.

When the government wants to shut your business down, they have dozens of ways to do it and litigating a municipality is frighteningly expensive and time consuming. Most small businesses do not have the resources to do this. Ask anyone who's tried to litigate on zoning, inspections, etc. Trust me, it's a nightmare.[/QUOTE]But the rabbit hole I went down was (maybe naively or wrongfully so) associated with the ordinary everyday person that simply wanted to start their legal massage business that had nothing to do with the busts. After all, the moratorium impacts all businesses in this category, not just the one's with illicit aims. Either way, I see your point.

[QUOTE=Member#2227;6743863]I can't imagine girls making enough on * to replace real income. The world is drowning in accounts. That said, it's dry as a bone out there.[/QUOTE]For a reason, right?

Victorian sketches, dirty magazines, old Times Square XXX Theaters / Booths, then VHS, PPV and even FREE internet porn, all have their time / bubble then we settle into over saturation, and normalization.

Nothing will ever replace the easy cash grab of 1:1 turnstile service until AI / virtual is indistinguishable from the real thing, and half the cost.

100% spot on that post-pandemic it's just not the same, but hope springs eternal!

Regarding massage licensing in Roswell, can first hand confirm it has slowed ramp up (via a colleague) who expected to grow Q1 by adding services/locations in shared health/wellbeing spaces (along side hair dressers, aestheticians etc.)

They're painting with a broad brush and affecting innocent entrepreneurs.

[URL]https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/roswell-mayor-leads-crackdown-on-illegal-massage-parlors[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/woman-accused-running-human-trafficking-ring-roswell-spa-city-cracks-down/CZCHQMU53BEZDM72FBELUBAYCU/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Poshir;6750448][URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/woman-accused-running-human-trafficking-ring-roswell-spa-city-cracks-down/CZCHQMU53BEZDM72FBELUBAYCU/[/URL][/QUOTE]Remember when the sleazebag Fani Willis staged her circus a few months ago bragging that 2 dozen women had been rescued from the evils of sex slavery in Fulton County including Roswell? None of that turned out to be true and my bet is that this will be just another fake stunt put on by the Roswell mayor and his Gestapo. Maybe the Mayor of Roswell has his own plans to run for governor one day just like Fat Fani. We'll see.

I am curious what evidence they really have. Like most of you guys, I'm just very skeptical that these BMW driving girls are being trafficked. More likely fighting TRAFFIC on their way to Starbucks.

[QUOTE=Poshir;6750448][URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/woman-accused-running-human-trafficking-ring-roswell-spa-city-cracks-down/CZCHQMU53BEZDM72FBELUBAYCU/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SolidMan34;6750506]I am curious what evidence they really have. Like most of you guys, I'm just very skeptical that these BMW driving girls are being trafficked. More likely fighting TRAFFIC on their way to Starbucks.[/QUOTE]I've seen these ladies out at Costco on their own. Seems if they were being trafficked they had every chance to escape or call LEO?

[QUOTE=BroDiddly;6750569]I've seen these ladies out at Costco on their own. Seems if they were being trafficked they had every chance to escape or call LEO?[/QUOTE]I've also met a few of my local favorites shopping in Walmart in the Woodstock / Acworth area. Which means they can go anywhere they want when they're not working.

[QUOTE=Poshir;6750448][URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/woman-accused-running-human-trafficking-ring-roswell-spa-city-cracks-down/CZCHQMU53BEZDM72FBELUBAYCU/[/URL][/QUOTE]Was this woman an absentee owner or working in the actual store? She looks familiar, does anyone know who she is?

[QUOTE=Tenex;6752356]Was this woman an absentee owner or working in the actual store? She looks familiar, does anyone know who she is?[/QUOTE]What the shop owner next door said:

"It's disgusting, it's honestly horrendous. Thankfully, it finally got rooted out, Hopefully, we can get a more upbeat community-forward kind of business in there. ".

What the shop owner next door was thinking:

"Dang! I could have been going there on my breaks! You mean they'd give you a handy for just a tip? Those babes were smokin' hot. I got to find me one of these places in Sandy Springs or Atlanta now. ".

[QUOTE=LickUmGood;6751140]I've also met a few of my local favorites shopping in Walmart in the Woodstock / Acworth area. Which means they can go anywhere they want when they're not working.[/QUOTE]It's all bullshit. How many 55 year-old ladies with Teslas and brand new houses are being trafficked? It's the politicians like AG Carr and Fat Fani Willis and Roswell Mayor Wilson who are drumming up this non-issue. Wait'll the outcome of the trials. Fat Fani and the rest are going down! Watch and learn, boy; watch and learn. (Mark Knopler).

So Ease Massage sits there, closed down, with a big red "Stop Work" sticker on the door courtesy of the Roswell PD, the mayor, and the city council. Meanwhile two doors down, Taco Takeout and Four Seasons Wings were broken into and robbed over the weekend. New glass is being installed today. Probably won't catch the culprits unless they performed a handjob while they were on site.

Wiz.

[QUOTE=Tenex;6752356]Was this woman an absentee owner or working in the actual store? She looks familiar, does anyone know who she is?[/QUOTE]What I mean was, the woman in the picture looks like a massage girl that worked at Iris, I think her name was Iris also. Is it the same girl? It's hard to believe someone who's only 33 years old could be the kingpin of a massive trafficking operation.

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[QUOTE=Tenex;6753976]What I mean was, the woman in the picture looks like a massage girl that worked at Iris, I think her name was Iris also. Is it the same girl? It's hard to believe someone who's only 33 years old could be the kingpin of a massive trafficking operation.[/QUOTE]That's because this is just more political bullshit from the City of Roswell. The mayor has decided that he is going to preserve the moral integrity of the community by running all of those evil dens of iniquity out to town.

[QUOTE=Wizard22;6753755]So Ease Massage sits there, closed down, with a big red "Stop Work" sticker on the door courtesy of the Roswell PD, the mayor, and the city council. Meanwhile two doors down, Taco Takeout and Four Seasons Wings were broken into and robbed over the weekend. New glass is being installed today. Probably won't catch the culprits unless they performed a handjob while they were on site..[/QUOTE]This is just like the movie "Wag the Dog" where our political leaders engage in an activity to divert the public's attention from the real problems we are facing and that is crime. So Roswell goes after the low hanging fruit and tells us how they are protecting women from trafficking when in fact, they are persecuting hard working Chinese women while the bums who break in and robs stores at night run around freely. Roswell needs to devote resources to fighting real crime. If I lived in Roswell and would not vote for any incumbent.

[QUOTE=Wizard22;6753755]So Ease Massage sits there, closed down, with a big red "Stop Work" sticker on the door courtesy of the Roswell PD, the mayor, and the city council. Meanwhile two doors down, Taco Takeout and Four Seasons Wings were broken into and robbed over the weekend. New glass is being installed today. Probably won't catch the culprits unless they performed a handjob while they were on site.

Wiz.[/QUOTE]Shows you where their priorities are, not the real criminals. They'd rather go after a soft targets to boost their election clout.

Interestingly when you look at Roswell at [URL]https://crimegrade.org/safest-places-in-roswell-ga/[/URL].

They don't even consider mutual masturbation, trafficking, or prostitution as criteria for grading crime. They do put a heavy emphasis on VIOLENT crime. Things like assault, murder- you know-.

Life ending or crippling events. Roswell gets a C- . But this site, [URL]https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Roswell-Georgia.html[/URL] calls out Rape. Wow. I did not realize the cops were doing such a lousy job stopping rape in Roswell. And look at the assualts!

[QUOTE=AsianMan03;6754666]This is just like the movie "Wag the Dog" where our political leaders engage in an activity to divert the public's attention from the real problems we are facing and that is crime. So Roswell goes after the low hanging fruit and tells us how they are protecting women from trafficking when in fact, they are persecuting hard working Chinese women while the bums who break in and robs stores at night run around freely. Roswell needs to devote resources to fighting real crime. If I lived in Roswell and would not vote for any incumbent.[/QUOTE]Also, don't vote for the AG (Chris Carr).

[URL]https://www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/roswell-spa-owner-alleged-sex-trafficking-charges/85-ee832ab8-eca0-44fb-9c92-bcbb27e8ad8b[/URL]

[URL]https://www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/roswell-spa-owner-alleged-sex-trafficking-charges/85-ee832ab8-eca0-44fb-9c92-bcbb27e8ad8b[/URL]

[QUOTE=Poshir;6756183][URL]https://www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/roswell-spa-owner-alleged-sex-trafficking-charges/85-ee832ab8-eca0-44fb-9c92-bcbb27e8ad8b[/URL][/QUOTE]And what's your point, you posted it twice?

[QUOTE=MfuckerPlease;6756808]And what's your point, you posted it twice?[/QUOTE]There is no point he / she is an activist.

There was a meeting today at Roswell's City Hall to discuss new massage shop rules and 90 day moratorium. Does anyone know if Roswell is going to ease their rules or lift the moratorium?

Also it seems that several places on Holcomb Bridge Rd are open, such as Best Day and Tao. Anyone know why these places have escaped the LE shutdown and flown under the radar?

[QUOTE=Poshir;6756183][URL]https://www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/roswell-spa-owner-alleged-sex-trafficking-charges/85-ee832ab8-eca0-44fb-9c92-bcbb27e8ad8b[/URL][/QUOTE]My job takes around the state. There have been arrests in Augusta too. I heard Macon was still a free place.

So apparently 3500 children in GA are trafficking victims each year. 3600 if you read the numbers on top of the busses. She setup a care facility for up to 24 child survivors of trafficking, do the other 3476 not survive? At 3500, that's 10 a day, maybe treatment is only two days to give them the benefit of the doubt. In any case we are taking action to shut down illicit (we can't say Asian) massage parlors. That's the best way to save the children.

[URL]https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/first-lady-marty-kemp-discusses-initiatives-stop-human-trafficking-georgia/85-b7d57f72-1f5d-42dd-8687-8b149156c0c1[/URL]

If you go and look at the GRACE Commission, they estimate that 1. 5 MILLION people (mostly children) are trafficking victims in the US each year. The US population is 333.3 million, roughly 21% are under 18 for a total of 70 million. If you do the math 2% or 2 in every hundred children are allegedly sold for sex. That is unbelievably high.

[URL]https://gov.georgia.gov/first-lady/grace-commission[/URL]

The HPCI says in GA 116 children have been rescued and 46 traffickers are under indictment. While not "good" as trafficking a child is a horrible crime, those numbers are more believable. Way off from 3500. In any case the traffickers only receive prison time which does not seem to be near what they deserve IMO for selling children.

[URL]https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/georgia-human-trafficking-prosecution-unit/85-f55cdba7-ab00-4a3a-9282-b618055e2a73[/URL]

So three articles all saying different things with math that don't add up. So what's really going on? Here is my take:

1- Take a real issue that concerns everyone and use your public office to hyper-inflate the data and create a sensation.

2- Create a Commission to address the issue and appoint 25 board members, family or supporters.

3- It's not visible at all, the salary of board members or the budget of the commission, but follow the money. Use either public funds to pay board members or privately raised money which is another goal of the commission. What is the salary of a board member? I'll buy a beer for anyone who can find it.

4- Take action completely unrelated to the issue you sensationalized, but pick easy targets to rack up arrests and claim success. Then pat each other on the back, or slap asses in celebration while you count your stacks.

JunkSecond,

Great info, it shows who is behind this & why it's happening thru out the state. I love how 11 news linked a 6 year old youtube video to their news story as some sort of appendix or reference. Quality journalism.

[QUOTE=JunkSecond;6773039]So apparently 3500 children in GA are trafficking victims each year. 3600 if you read the numbers on top of the busses. She setup a care facility for up to 24 child survivors of trafficking, do the other 3476 not survive? At 3500, that's 10 a day, maybe treatment is only two days to give them the benefit of the doubt. In any case we are taking action to shut down illicit (we can't say Asian) massage parlors. That's the best way to save the children.

[URL]https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/first-lady-marty-kemp-discusses-initiatives-stop-human-trafficking-georgia/85-b7d57f72-1f5d-42dd-8687-8b149156c0c1[/URL]

If you go and look at the GRACE Commission, they estimate that 1. 5 MILLION people (mostly children) are trafficking victims in the US each year. The US population is 333.3 million, roughly 21% are under 18 for a total of 70 million. If you do the math 2% or 2 in every hundred children are allegedly sold for sex. That is unbelievably high.

[URL]https://gov.georgia.gov/first-lady/grace-commission[/URL]

The HPCI says in GA 116 children have been rescued and 46 traffickers are under indictment. While not "good" as trafficking a child is a horrible crime, those numbers are more believable. Way off from 3500. In any case the traffickers only receive prison time which does not seem to be near what they deserve IMO for selling children.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately #4 is the one that is the most common sense-less approach. See the Mayor of Roswell as a prime example. She is a nice lady, she means well but she is naive, like most of them, and like most of them they implement emotional responses instead of taking a long, hard, shrewd look at what is really happening out there. In Atlanta the sex trafficking is done by the thugs who take their victims to the local shit-hole hotels and turn them into prostitutes. In America most of the sex trafficking is taking place at the border by the cartels who are trafficking women and children into sex slavery, a travesty approved by this administration. Emotion rules the day though, and unfortunately it will be the parlors that will bear the brunt of the self-righteous wrath of the clueless.

Here's a summary of their meeting on the 29th. It doesn't look like there is any change to their current position even though legit masseuses are being penalized.

[URL]https://www.appenmedia.com/alpharetta_roswell/roswell-massage-therapist-objects-to-offensive-wording-in-city-code/article_980d392a-bfb5-11ee-ab82-5f08ecea52c6.html[/URL]

This is election year posturing. No less. No more.

[QUOTE=AsianMan03;6774092]Here's a summary of their meeting on the 29th. It doesn't look like there is any change to their current position even though legit masseuses are being penalized.

[URL]https://www.appenmedia.com/alpharetta_roswell/roswell-massage-therapist-objects-to-offensive-wording-in-city-code/article_980d392a-bfb5-11ee-ab82-5f08ecea52c6.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

A little pushback against glory seeking LE and Politicians:

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/charged-human-trafficking-driving-wife-163020936.html[/URL]

Maybe a little more of this would make them ease up.

I'm pretty sure that's how Johnny Cash sang it. All I know is if I tried to have a sex party it would be 20 dudes and one chick. So the cops rolling up to shots fired and finding an ongoing sex party with 20 chicks and one dude is likely probable cause in itself for trafficking because that shit don't work that way in real life.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/19-people-mostly-women-detained-atlanta-area-home-sex-trafficking-probe-ensues?dicbo=v2-Sg75CZ0&intcmp=fn_article_br_ob_more_from[/URL]

[QUOTE=JunkSecond;6776645]I'm pretty sure that's how Johnny Cash sang it. All I know is if I tried to have a sex party it would be 20 dudes and one chick. So the cops rolling up to shots fired and finding an ongoing sex party with 20 chicks and one dude is likely probable cause in itself for trafficking because that shit don't work that way in real life.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/19-people-mostly-women-detained-atlanta-area-home-sex-trafficking-probe-ensues?dicbo=v2-Sg75CZ0&intcmp=fn_article_br_ob_more_from[/URL][/QUOTE]Just more proof that the trafficking in Atlanta comes from the thugs, not the Asian massage parlors. But, the politicians don't care and the public is too stupid to understand.

Call it worse than it is and you sound like some kind of hero!

[QUOTE=Gatsby32;6774423]This is election year posturing. No less. No more.[/QUOTE]