Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Savvy123; 1377166]These are the top 3 right now for value and selection IMO so here are my thoughts.

The cost has always been my problem at PH, I'm just not paying 300. Hell she needs to be off the hook for me to consider 200. And the prices have always been high there. Haven't been in 4 or 5 months so be interesting to hear if they have gotten more in line with other clubs. As a side note, I once got a dance from Ginger at PH, wouldn't go below $$$ for FS, but would do oral for $ so off we went for a quick BJ. In the middle she climbs up on and rides me like crazy. When I say 'I'm about to' she is like 'not yet, wait' so I hold off and we end up in multiple positions for like 30 minutes or more. At the end she was all sweaty, hair fucked up, makeup smeared etc, girl had to head straight to the shower LOL. Gave her the $ and she smiled and told me to come back soon. Don't know if I just got lucky, caught her at a good time or what, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone else had good times with Ginger (short reddish blonde hair. 5'5".130, about 25) and what the results were.

BTs is fun lately, and 150-200 can buy you a lot of fun with a high quality girl. I used to go to BTs in like 2008-2010 and it was ok but mostly hit or miss, so when I started hearing things I was a bit sceptical. But its true, dances are very very nice. Its 10 cover (night shift).6-8 for a beer, a 20 to the bouncer (anyone stiffed him or paid less, and what was the result?) , then 150 for dances, so its definitely more than a bogarts or a H8 but the quality of the girl and the environment are faaaaaaar superior.

Hustler has girls like BTs but just fewer of them. I have had to leave there many times because there were only a couple girls I wanted dances from and they were constantly busy. Also the hustler VIPs are off the hook: large and spacious (the big ones in back nearly 10x10) , wall mounted TVs, real doors, total privacy. Again its 10 cover. 8 beer. 20 bouncer and 150-200 for 'dances. ' If they had a wider selection of girls this would definitely be my spot when I wanted to spend a little extra (for the awesome VIP rooms) , but as it is now, it is very hit and miss.[/QUOTE]I agree with you to some extent.

PH: girls want a lot of money. Lately they seem to want $$.5 to $$$ for FS. Some very attractive girls, but I can get 2 or 3 different girls at other clubs for that same total money. I would say the lower end of the beauty scale is higher than most any club, meaning there aren't any nasty looking ones here. They don't look like some crack head who just did 20 guys that day and the customers are more upscale so you don't feel like every Tom Dick and Harry just had these girls before you did. I guess the higher price keeps the riff raff out as well.

BT: although they ask for $.5 to $$ for FS, I usually pay $ to $.5 for FS. Some real attractive girls, some not so much. Best all around value IMHO. Where else can you get FS with an 8 for $?

HC: by far has the best VIP rooms with a door and all, flat screen TVs, private bathrooms, stripper poles, etc. Not "total" privacy as you may think as I hear the bouncers sometimes peak in the peep hole to see if the girls are doing extras so they can get there blackmail cut to not say anything. The smaller rooms that go on each side of the stage are only $5 to bouncer, and the better rooms are $10 or $20. Girl quality is hit or miss as you said. I can always find a few I want to take in the back though.

Bogarts: I find disgusting. The quality of the girls makes me want to puke. Only been there twice, and that was enough to never go again. VIP room if you can call it that sux. Very blue collar, just not my kind of thing. Waitresses constantly harass you to buy a drink. Fuck that. If I want to see a bunch of crack head looking chicks with stretch marks all over there stomach from having kids I'll go down to the welfare office. Plus the 2nd time I went there some asshole keyed my car in the parking lot.

In reality, I only find a few dancers at any given club that I find attractive enough to ME that I would want to pay them for "dances". I am very picky. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I may find a girl to be an 8 or 9 that another guy might think is a 6 and vice versa. Some guys like a pretty face over a great body, some guys like tits, some guys like ass, some guys like legs, some guys like white girls, some guys like black girls, some guys like Asian girls, some guys like it all.

I don't know if I just collect dancers phone numbers for the hell of it or what, but I was cleaning out my phone list one day and counted phone numbers for 30 dancers. Most I never contacted, I just kept them just in case. The rest I only text from time to time, if they are my favorites that I want to see again, so I know if they are going to be in the club, or to meet up for a real date. I found about 95% of dancers give me their number freely. Some of them tell me they very rarely give out their number, but they give it to me (which I believe). Funny thing is due to something I learned on this site, I can internet search their number free with Anireport and find their real full name sometimes. Then I look them up on Facebook to get pictures of them. I also do a quick google search to see if they have escort ads. I just want something to remember them by I guess because most girls do not let you take a picture of them for fear you'll post it on the web and their friends / family will find out what they do. Which I fully understand. But I don't think people realize how much info is out there free on the internet and what little time it takes. Funny thing is I have found the phone number to be registered in their Moms name sometimes or another dancers name. When I looked up phone numbers on BP or from SW numbers my buddy had, the phone numbers were sometimes listed under what I think was probably their pimp or escort agency company name.

[QUOTE=John Wise;1377660]The prices will NEVER come down at the PHC.[/QUOTE]I guess that's what they call price fixing huh? It's kind of like an oil cartel? I hear the girls have an agreement to not perform services for less than X amount so that a guy can't shop around among the girls and drive prices down with competition.

So I'm at one of my more favorite SC this weekend and this average white trash looking dancer comes up to the guy next to me. She's nothing special. The guy is mixed black and white. She says you are cute and have such gorgeous eyes I would love to have a baby from you. The guy laughs. She said I'm serious I want to have a baby and you don't have to worry about me coming after you for child support. No strings attached I just want your sperm. I evesdrop for 10-15 minutes on the conversation because I am stunned. It seems like he is agreeing to what she wants. Then they go up to the VIP room. I could not fucking believe it. I don't know if he fucked her BB or if she just kept the used condom to put the sperm in her turkey baster, but I think it went down. Unbelievable!

Hey fellow mongers. Going to hit bt's tomorrow as I have been thru just about every one at ph. Does bt's have a smoking room? How private is the VIP? Open to pm's on dancers, going on day shift. Thanks guys

[QUOTE=Bigdikdanaler;1377913]Hey fellow mongers. Going to hit bt's tomorrow as I have been thru just about every one at ph. Does bt's have a smoking room? How private is the VIP? Open to pm's on dancers, going on day shift. Thanks guys[/QUOTE]LOL, you've been through almost every dancer at PH? Did you leave any for me? I have been to BT's a lot in the past few months. The VIP rooms are all private with a bench and curtain you pull over. Some rooms bigger than others but no difference in price. There is no smoking room that I know of there. I'll PM you some dancers if I remember any names.

[QUOTE=Big Puff Daddy;1377810]So I'm at one of my more favorite SC this weekend and this average white trash looking dancer comes up to the guy next to me. She's nothing special. The guy is mixed black and white. She says you are cute and have such gorgeous eyes I would love to have a baby from you. The guy laughs. She said I'm serious I want to have a baby and you don't have to worry about me coming after you for child support. No strings attached I just want your sperm. I evesdrop for 10-15 minutes on the conversation because I am stunned. It seems like he is agreeing to what she wants. Then they go up to the VIP room. I could not fucking believe it. I don't know if he fucked her BB or if she just kept the used condom to put the sperm in her turkey baster, but I think it went down. Unbelievable![/QUOTE]Breeders happen more than you think. (I have been propositioned before in Nevada and Detroit) ESP for the Proven guys who have cute kids.

Ghetto women don't care about things like stability, they just want pretty mixed babies to turn out like Rae dawn chong or Rosario dawson or the Rock.

[QUOTE=Bigdikdanaler;1377913]Hey fellow mongers. Going to hit bt's tomorrow as I have been thru just about every one at ph. Does bt's have a smoking room? How private is the VIP? Open to pm's on dancers, going on day shift. Thanks guys[/QUOTE]You went through everyone at PH? You must have dropped some dollars. Bt's does not have a smoking room per se. Everyone smokes in the open and it is tolerated. Peelers will walk around with cigarettes in the hands. VIP rooms as was said is a bench and a thin curtain. It's funny how when I am plowing a peeler, I can hear one moaning next to my booth as she is getting pounded. Day shift is hit and miss. There are deals to be had and a benji will get you what you want. Bt's is like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all in how you negotiate.

BTs does not have a smoking area, but you can smoke in the entire place. Only thing is you have to ask your waitress / bartender for an ashtray. The VIPs are fairly private, a curtain covers the entry. Inside there is a leather (faux?) loveseat, table, trash can (don't look inside LOL) , and napkins (hmmmm). Oh they also have a mirrored wall, which can be fun to see what she's doing to you from different angles. I have seen them in front and on the side, never been in one without the mirror wall, but I spose there may be some without it.

Thanks for the PMs on Dani, very informative, its great how much info is out there between all of us and how much can be learned by sharing a little bit.

Since that one worked out, I am wondering if anyone has had experience with Angel on the night shift. Tight young spinner body with long dark hair and a tat of some flower on her hip. Specifically interested in extras and costs.

Thanks again in advance!

I hit sc yesterday during the day around 1:30. $7 to valet, $0 cover, $7. 50 soda ($2 tip) , $20 bouncer tax, $6 dancers tip, $ Kendra BBBJ fee. Out the door under $145. There didn't seem to be too many girls working until it hit 2:00 and they had all the girls parade on main stage, went from 6-7 girls visible to 18-19, 1/3 black 2/3 white. Some of the girls were hit (3-4) and had no business dancing, at least there (Bogarts-maybe?) ; second tier of girls (6-7) were either a little chunky or a tad over-aged; then the quality bumped up (7. 5-8. 5) ; two of the girls were solid 9's but I didn't catch their names. So back to the action, after sitting around observing for 20 mins. Kendra stopped by and the "do you get dances" chat started, I quickly responded with "uhm, well sometimes, just depends on cost" "she said $25 per song or $ for BJ". We agreed to price and bam she was called to stage for set, while she danced another girl (1 of the 9's) stopped by and offered FS / BJ for same $ and I agreed then she noticed Kendra's empty glass on table next to mine and said see her after I was done with that dance. I didn't even notice she claimed me, hate that bullshit move but it worked. Her set ends- So off to the VIP which I think is pretty nice, she gives 1. 5 song warm up dance and proceeds to take it out and just goes to town for 3 straight songs before coming up for air. Her technique was pretty good but changed style to often for me to get off quickly (good for me, bad for her). There was lots of fiv and a little bls, at one point she asked me to do the work while she rubbed one out for herself. Overall I'd give her 7. 5 looks, just a little too skinny and 8 on service.

Angelique is a real pro, and I have to agree, she has a tight twat. I really love how she is always prepared and cleans you up afterward. I also love her quote,"You have to enjoy what you do!" I particularly like her cause she fits the young MILF profile to a T.

[QUOTE=Muskie1; 1375507]Stopped in this afternoon after a few years of no hobby related activity. Only a couple of guys and a hanful of dancers, Deanna was there, a short blonde with long hair, a thin hot black girl and a taller brunette with a great rack a great blue eyes. I got a dance from Angelique, said she has been there a few years and usually soes not worrk on Sat.

She is a shorter brunette a little baby fat and wears glasses. I am a sucker for girls with glasses, so I went back with her. Quoted 2 for full service ended at 1. 4, I know I probably could have got it lower but was thinking with wrong head. Great BJ and super tight FS. She was a little loud and got soaking wet. Brought wet naps with her and disposed of cover and did a great clean up job on me. Not one pig in the place so I did enjoy myself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Savvy123; 1378136]Thanks for the PMs on Dani, very informative, its great how much info is out there between all of us and how much can be learned by sharing a little bit.

Since that one worked out, I am wondering if anyone has had experience with Angel on the night shift. Tight young spinner body with long dark hair and a tat of some flower on her hip. Specifically interested in extras and costs.

Thanks again in advance![/QUOTE]I like her a lot but she won't do extras, great lap dances old school style, I have her number but have not called her

Has anyone ever been to thunderbolt? I remember vaguely from posts about a year ago people were saying that the guy had a Portfolio of dancers to choose from. What are your experiences? I'm Interested in checking this place out and would like to get a good idea of what I'm walking into.

Thunderbolt?

Well, before your post OneKnot, I'd never heard of the place. So naturally my "horn (s)" goes up and my hunger for intel grows. I find an address, a number and a link to a Metro Times article. The link won't work on my phone so I said screw it and call the. What the hey! A "gentleman" answers "Hello,". (Hmmm, where's the greeting "Thunderbolt, Hello, may I help you?"). I tell him I'm trying to reach "Thunderbolt". Well the convo begins. Basically, the maverick of a gentleman has opened a strip club in his residence. He needs an HOURs notice to get a dancer for you.

I told him I was interested in coming through Saturday aftrenoon. He said sure just give him a ring first. It sounds like most (all) his dancers are black. You just tell him your preference. He kept mentioning things are "slow" right now (Christmas. Valentines Day). He was a little hard to understand but I guess he has pics of his available dancers. Oh yeah the cover is $20 and no booze is served. I want to check it out for sure. I hoping this is a HIGH mileage "establishment". Shoot, sounds like he would "open" just for me if I call ahead and tell him what dancer I want. Hey if its all that I could do that once a week and be happy!

[QUOTE=Oneknot;1378356]Has anyone ever been to thunderbolt? I remember vaguely from posts about a year ago people were saying that the guy had a Portfolio of dancers to choose from. What are your experiences? I'm Interested in checking this place out and would like to get a good idea of what I'm walking into.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www2.metrotimes.com/culture/story.asp?id=14918[/url]

Thunderbolt doesn't need a cabaret license like other Detroit strip clubs must have. The city ordinance regulating other places doesn't apply, because it's not a bar serving liquor or food, but rather a private arrangement in a private home. To him it's like having a strip-o-gram sent to your own house.

"As far as I'm concerned," Thunderbolt says,"when a guy calls up to come here, he's my 'friend. '" And though the club is dry, people can still drink."If they want to party and bring their own party favors, that's OK," he says.

There's absolutely no prostitution allowed. Thunderbolt stays in the room the whole time, watching. He takes 10 percent of the girls' earnings for his services.

I'm going to check this place out. Heck who know what the operation will be like. I did a little search on the web and several reporters have been there. Even a crew from MTV! Must be something to experience I guess.

[QUOTE=SteelHorseRide; 1378464][url]http://www2.metrotimes.com/culture/story.asp?id=14918[/url]

There's absolutely no HOEstitution allowed. Thunderbolt stays in the room the whole time, watching. He takes 10 percent of the girls' earnings for his services.[/QUOTE]Hmm, well at least you can get a dance without the g-string.

I wonder if he dims the lights at least.

Hmmm, maybe TAKEOUT is available. YMMV. I guess its worth at least 1 visit.

I'm going to try this weekend and REPORT back.
Good Luck, ONeknot. I look forward to your report. When are you going? Be sure to check out the book of polaroids

[QUOTE=Oneknot;1378474]I'm going to check this place out. Heck who know what the operation will be like. I did a little search on the web and several reporters have been there. Even a crew from MTV! Must be something to experience I guess.[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to a review. It is not very practical for me in Ann arbor, but it is certainly intriguing. The stripper in the article, Summer, looked pretty good to me.

[QUOTE=Plumber2;1378545]I drove by once and it looked like every other house on the street. No sign of anything. I wasn't about to go knock on the door though.[/QUOTE]You have to call first and let him know you're coming by.

Guy is hilarious.

I called him before a year or two ago. After reading the metro times article. I thought it was pricey for no FS. Can't wait to hear this report of how it goes.

[QUOTE=Det313;1378843]I called him before a year or two ago. After reading the metro times article. I thought it was pricey for no FS. Can't wait to hear this report of how it goes.[/QUOTE]Considering we're all mongers of one sort or another and all looking for the same thing, it seems like it would be a complete waste of time and money to me.

From everything mentioned already it appears that Mr Thunderbolts operation is akin to hiring a strip o gram or a lame stripper at a lame bachelor party.

Not my thing. I'm looking for a certain milage out of these encounters.

Hell I'd rather get a cheap notell, turn on the radio, call a BP girl and have my own private club. Fuck the middle man.

You'd do yourself a favor to look up motorcity dolls and go there instead if they're still operating their little "club" in the house that was over near the triangle area. Fenkel west of telegraph area. The Blonde chick that runs it used to be stripper at flight club years ago. Back in the day she did a lot of photography / modeling also with another little brunette stripper that was in playboy on line and a lot of other stuff.

[QUOTE=TwatTeaser; 1378957]Considering we're all mongers of one sort or another and all looking for the same thing, it seems like it would be a complete waste of time and money to me.

From everything mentioned already it appears that Mr Thunderbolts operation is akin to hiring a strip o gram or a lame stripper at a lame bachelor party.

Not my thing. I'm looking for a certain milage out of these encounters.

Hell I'd rather get a cheap notell, turn on the radio, call a BP girl and have my own private club. Fuck the middle man.

You'd do yourself a favor to look up motorcity dolls and go there instead if they're still operating their little "club" in the house that was over near the triangle area. Fenkel west of telegraph area. The Blonde chick that runs it used to be stripper at flight club years ago. Back in the day she did a lot of photography / modeling also with another little brunette stripper that was in playboy on line and a lot of other stuff.[/QUOTE]Haaa, the blonde who runs Motor City Dolls was over to my house with another girl for private dances maybe 6 years or more ago. No extras went on, just dances. Name is Kelly Jean. She was one of the WRIF webgirls too. And she did internet hard core porn. I think the brunette you speak of was at a bachelor party I attended that got girls from MCD. She was a cutie. When I first came into my friends house that held the party I thought the brunette girl was one of his friends girlfriends. When I found out she was the entertainment I was pleasantly surprised.

[QUOTE=Big Puff Daddy;1379373]Haaa, the blonde who runs Motor City Dolls was over to my house with another girl for private dances maybe 6 years or more ago. No extras went on, just dances. Name is Kelly Jean. She was one of the WRIF webgirls too. And she did internet hard core porn. I think the brunette you speak of was at a bachelor party I attended that got girls from MCD. She was a cutie. When I first came into my friends house that held the party I thought the brunette girl was one of his friends girlfriends. When I found out she was the entertainment I was pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.motorcitydolls.net/[/url]

Click on the link, Kelly Jean is the girl in the middle and the girl on the left is the brunette who was at the bachelor party I attended. She went on to do a lot of nude modeling from what I remember. The girl on the right in the picture used to dance at Landing Strip under the name Riley. She has some fantastic real the cup or better titties.

[QUOTE=Plumber2;1379316]This site must have a lot of lurkers. Wet Barbie has had guys coming in for a week asking for her. The manager was like "WTF? Out of nowhere guys are coming in and specifically asking for her". I didn't get a chance to test her out, I was busy with a girl there that took care of me well the first time I was ever there. The management does not promote this activity. They are actively trying to get rid of the girls who do extras. At least that is what the main man told me.[/QUOTE]I wasn't trying to get her fired or banned, just trying to drum up more money for her. She was really cool to me. Makes you think twice about sharing info now.

[QUOTE=Big Puff Daddy; 1379390][url]Http://www.motorcitydolls.net/[/url]

Click on the link, Kelly Jean is the girl in the middle and the girl on the left is the brunette who was at the bachelor party I attended. She went on to do a lot of nude modeling from what I remember. The girl on the right in the picture used to dance at Landing Strip under the name Riley. She has some fantastic real the cup or better titties.[/QUOTE]Yea Kelly Jean. Couldn't think of her name. The brunette I'm talking about split ways with KJ a long long time ago. I knew these chicks when they were just getting started 10, 12, or more years ago. The brunette (I'll remember the name eventually) had big fake titties like KJ. There's a couple of others from the same time period that I still see posting online from time to to time. A few were on MASP also.

[QUOTE=Dxf289;1379502]I wasn't trying to get her fired or banned, just trying to drum up more money for her. She was really cool to me. Makes you think twice about sharing info now.[/QUOTE]Seriously some people have no class what so ever. You take the intel so that when you're sitting there in the club and the specific girl mentioned does come along you know what the inside deal is. Some of these assholes would beat a path to her parents door too.

So after RTFF. I decided to test my new found skills at H8N today. Went in around lunch time for the day shift.

Not too many girls and the pickings were slim. Only about 4 to 6 working. Had a brunette come up with small bees implant suffering from noassatall. Anorexic really. Her name was diamond, we chatted a bit and then she wants a dance and of course I ask what's on the menu. She wanted $$ and like I was taught here I laughed. No way. So I tried to negotiate from. 6 and. 8 and still no bites so she quickly scrammed. Was about to bail when I saw a younger looking blonde walk in so I waited.

Finally the blonde makes it out gets on the stage, find out her name is Heidi. She was the only one I'd probably want to have FS with from the selection. I tip her while she danced to let her know I was interested and she comes over after her set. We chat a little bit and she asks if I want a dance. I ask it depends on what type of dance it is. She says we can talk in VIP so off we went, paid for the wristband and I picked the corner booth. Ordered FS, wanted $$ I countered with. 8 and wanted $.5 I then said $ and she says she doesn't know anyone there doing it for that. So then I ordered BJ for. 4 and she wanted $.2 and countered with. 6 and still no go. So only thing on menu left was HJ and agreed for. 4 which was below average but she BBJ's for a couple times real quick to get something to work with and it does nothing but frustrate me. Like a tease. She goes back to HJ and by this time I'm playing with the bee's, took the kitty for a litte walk and before you know it, time runs out. No HE! I tried to order carryout but she says she doesn't do that.

I'm new to this board but I'm a long time hobbyist of the SW league and although I've dabbled with the SC league I only played with a couple clubs but never to the level that I've come to learn after RTFF. Had I known all of this was available I would've "turned pro" a lot sooner. I'm looking to play even more now. Thanks guys

Visited H8S for the first time in a long time (last time I was there, they didn't have the booths with curtains). In any event, the girls were a mixed bag. More bad than good. But I had a target in mind, and she approached me right before she was supposed to go onstage, so I knew I had some negotiating power. Got a good deal on FS in the back, and the booths make it a great time back there. All in all, a good visit.

I've never been to FC days, so I cut out of work a little early and hit up the FC. Didn't see much that caught my eye except maybe 2 girls. One's name was Danielle. Very petite brunette, probably weighed 95 pounds and a little under 5 feet tall, cute face. Also, Desiree, who had nice natural tits and overall nice body. Face good but not spectacular. Then there are girls there who looked to be pushing 50. One tried to corner me like a wild cougar! Any experience with the above 2 girls? Do they do extras and how much. Didn't get a chance to talk to them as they were tied up. PM me with details.

Dude repeated post are not necessary. You're what's known as a regular member. Your post are held in limbo until they're approved. When you reach senior status and or your posting abilities have been accepted by management, your post will no longer be held for prior approval. Read the TOS / Guidelines / FAQ's / AND RTFF!

With that said; break their union! If all of you guys would start low balling these girls, if even a little, they'd have to come down. 1.0, .8 or. 6 is better than ZERO. If any girl had ever wanted. 4 for a hand job I would have laughed in her face and told her; I know I can jack it off better myself. If I'm paying someone is going to either suck it or fuck. I don't pay for jerk offs. It's also why I don't go to MP's either.

[QUOTE=John Wise;1380163]This is what I meant about this site being 100% open forum, you don't even need to register to see the post. So the first that happens is some ass hole lurker fucks up a good thing.[/QUOTE]And just like in the real world, the mouthiest agitators who claim to speak for the 99% demand more handouts, and insist that those at the top didn't really work hard to get there.

Just wait until the freeloading lurkers start "Occupy USASG."

[QUOTE=TiklPkl; 1380082]So after RTFF. I decided to test my new found skills at H8N today. Went in around lunch time for the day shift.

Not too many girls and the pickings were slim. Only about 4 to 6 working. Had a brunette come up with small bees implant suffering from noassatall. Anorexic really. Her name was diamond, we chatted a bit and then she wants a dance and of course I ask what's on the menu. She wanted $$ and like I was taught here I laughed. No way. So I tried to negotiate from. 6 and. 8 and still no bites so she quickly scrammed. Was about to bail when I saw a younger looking blonde walk in so I waited.

Finally the blonde makes it out gets on the stage, find out her name is Heidi. She was the only one I'd probably want to have FS with from the selection. I tip her while she danced to let her know I was interested and she comes over after her set. We chat a little bit and she asks if I want a dance. I ask it depends on what type of dance it is. She says we can talk in VIP so off we went, paid for the wristband and I picked the corner booth. Ordered FS, wanted $$ I countered with. 8 and wanted $.5 I then said $ and she says she doesn't know anyone there doing it for that. So then I ordered BJ for. 4 and she wanted $.2 and countered with. 6 and still no go. So only thing on menu left was HJ and agreed for. 4 which was below average but she BBJ's for a couple times real quick to get something to work with and it does nothing but frustrate me. Like a tease. She goes back to HJ and by this time I'm playing with the bee's, took the kitty for a litte walk and before you know it, time runs out. No HE! I tried to order carryout but she says she doesn't do that.

I'm new to this board but I'm a long time hobbyist of the SW league and although I've dabbled with the SC league I only played with a couple clubs but never to the level that I've come to learn after RTFF. Had I known all of this was available I would've "turned pro" a lot sooner. I'm looking to play even more now.

Thanks guys[/QUOTE]You admit you're new. I was new here, once-heck, I still am, compared to some members. You did your homework and still got burned, but that happens. But the lesson here is that you need to negotiate BEFORE you go to the VIP. Once you're back there, the balance of power shifts to her. You've already paid the entry fee / bouncer fee / etc, she's got your dick in her hand, and you're starting to think with the wrong head. Sorry, but at that point, it's advantage: dancer.

You have to be patient. If she won't negotiate at your table, be polite but firm and refuse to budge. She'll either agree to your terms, leave and then come back and try again, or leave for good. If she leaves for good, you know you dodged a bullet.

This is not foolproof; I still spend more than I want sometimes. But it takes discipline. Think of it (seriously) like negotiating for anything else: a car, a house, etc. You always want to negotiate on your terms.