The following law on prostitution:
(HB 242 HD1)
Expands the law on prostitution to cover patrons. Makes the habitual solicitation of prostitutes a third-degree felony.
Is still alive and may pass.
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The following law on prostitution:
(HB 242 HD1)
Expands the law on prostitution to cover patrons. Makes the habitual solicitation of prostitutes a third-degree felony.
Is still alive and may pass.
[QUOTE=Member #3973; 1155534]The following law on prostitution:
(HB 242 HD1)
Expands the law on prostitution to cover patrons. Makes the habitual solicitation of prostitutes a third-degree felony.
Is still alive and may pass. [/QUOTE]What's up with this?:
"Effective January 7, 2059. (HB242 HD1)"
Escorts want their money in an envelope labeled "Gift"; perhaps AMP girls may follow suit since the bill uses words like 'fee' and 'payment'.
[QUOTE=Member #3973; 1155534]The following law on prostitution:
(HB 242 HD1)
Expands the law on prostitution to cover patrons. Makes the habitual solicitation of prostitutes a third-degree felony.
Is still alive and may pass. [/QUOTE]Faaaaantabulous.
On one side we've got cops who want things like this to remain illegal so they can bust people they can't get for real crimes, or so they pad their arrest quota, or so they can advantage of the girls.
On another side we have church-going soccer moms who want to force everyone to adhere to their beliefs about sexual "morality."
On the third side we have pimps who want it to remain illegal so they can keep prices jacked up and control the girls through threats.
And in the middle are guys who just want to get laid without it being a time-consuming hassle, and girls who want to get paid for their time and talents. There is zero difference between this and any other kind of personal service, but for some reason the moment you mention the "S" word everybody just loses their minds. What's even more mind-boggling to me is that if you do it on film it's suddenly perfectly legal again.
[QUOTE=Hornyhaole; 1155618]Faaaaantabulous.
On one side we've got cops who want things like this to remain illegal so they can bust people they can't get for real crimes, or so they pad their arrest quota, or so they can advantage of the girls.
On another side we have church-going soccer moms who want to force everyone to adhere to their beliefs about sexual "morality."
On the third side we have pimps who want it to remain illegal so they can keep prices jacked up and control the girls through threats.
And in the middle are guys who just want to get laid without it being a time-consuming hassle, and girls who want to get paid for their time and talents. There is zero difference between this and any other kind of personal service, but for some reason the moment you mention the "S" word everybody just loses their minds. What's even more mind-boggling to me is that if you do it on film it's suddenly perfectly legal again. [/QUOTE]I think that bill already passed as it is listed under the list of "Law Enforcement" category. And you're right about cops abusing their power in order to "reap the benefits" for free action on the side!
The other religious "soccer" moms who are basically brain-washed and probably dead fishes when fcked are more interested in keeping that ball and chain around their spouses ankles, because the minute he realizes what is missing in the AMPs, he'll be down there in a heart beat!
These politicians are morally corrupt and hypercrites for passing this bill, they don't want to take the political fall out, yet engage in these activities on the sly. You know I've seen the governor at some luncheon with his young attractive white female "administrator" am quite sure he was tapping her in addition to her dictation skills.
So what happens when some monger gets busted at the AMPs, he goes to jail with a 3rd degree felony, but when some politician gets caught with his pants down, he avoids this charge and gets re-elected?
[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1155953]I think that bill already passed as it is listed under the list of "Law Enforcement" category. And you're right about cops abusing their power in order to "reap the benefits" for free action on the side!
The other religious "soccer" moms who are basically brain-washed and probably dead fishes when fcked are more interested in keeping that ball and chain around their spouses ankles, because the minute he realizes what is missing in the AMPs, he'll be down there in a heart beat!
These politicians are morally corrupt and hypercrites for passing this bill, they don't want to take the political fall out, yet engage in these activities on the sly. You know I've seen the governor at some luncheon with his young attractive white female "administrator" am quite sure he was tapping her in addition to her dictation skills.
So what happens when some monger gets busted at the AMPs, he goes to jail with a 3rd degree felony, but when some politician gets caught with his pants down, he avoids this charge and gets re-elected? [/QUOTE]Such is life!
I don't mean the MILF kind unfortunately. But Johnny14 hit the nail on the head. That specific type of American woman has a long history of trying to control their husbands through "blue laws." Ever wonder why barber shops have to be closed on Sundays in some states? That's because 100 years ago guys would go there to hang out and avoid church. It's not like they had cable TV back then, so barbershops, pool halls, and bars (and brothels) were the only entertainment choices. The only reason women fought for the right to vote was to outlaw alcohol (which they then believed was the sole reason men weren't "obedient") and we know how well that worked.
But even so, it doesn't have to be this way. All we have to do is not vote for the hypocrites. I never vote for someone with a religiously conservative agenda.
With so many pressing problems, WAY MORE important than the sex industry, why waste tax $ on our hobby? Imo, its to divert attention away from their stupidity of not being able to tackle the real problems like Jobs, taxes, heathcare. Education. Infrastructure, crime. Environment. Drugs homeless etc, etc. Come election time they going to say they made our streets and community better, LOL Not ONE of the important problems will get better but same fools going to get reelected.
[QUOTE=Hornyhaole; 1156301]I don't mean the MILF kind unfortunately. But Johnny14 hit the nail on the head. That specific type of American woman has a long history of trying to control their husbands through "blue laws." Ever wonder why barber shops have to be closed on Sundays in some states? That's because 100 years ago guys would go there to hang out and avoid church. It's not like they had cable TV back then, so barbershops, pool halls, and bars (and brothels) were the only entertainment choices. The only reason women fought for the right to vote was to outlaw alcohol (which they then believed was the sole reason men weren't "obedient") and we know how well that worked.
But even so, it doesn't have to be this way. All we have to do is not vote for the hypocrites. I never vote for someone with a religiously conservative agenda.[/QUOTE]I am sorry, but I think your focus is misplaced.
I think the people with the organized agenda to push for laws to bust Johns as felons are not from the conservative, traditional family, soccer mom, religious right. They are from the radical Left. They are militant, radical, fanatical and extremist feminists who are obsessed with "rescuing" all women from trafficking, slavery and coercion, if those things happened to come into play. But if they did not, no problem. They would still try to stop all forms of prostitution in the state because all forms of paid sex, be they AMPs, hostess bars and strip clubs, are "gateway" to prostitution, if not prostitution itself. And all forms of prostitution, not just street walkers and pimps, have to be eliminated because prostitution in and of itself will lead to trafficking, coercion and slavery. Their logic is inexorable. It has to be because, in their ideological worldview, men oppress women, and women have to be rescued and freed.
I think some rank and file supporters may be coming from conservative and religious angles. But the leaders and organizers are from the radical Left. In Hawaii, it is Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery.
Next time you go to see your favorite Chinese provider, grab your nuts and say "dong-shi"
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5i4kKPF8q0&NR=1[/url]
[QUOTE=Numbah One;1155993]Such is life![/QUOTE]Laws are created, in large part, to maintain that everybody gets paid when you are arrested and cited. Police, bailers, prosecutors, lawyers, judges, counselors, hearing officers, clerks (you get the drift), etc, want to get paid.
Crimes (and defense of same) are sources of revenue for the city, state, nation. If you truly hate cops, judges, lawyers, etc, then don't commit crimes; nobody gets paid in the system and they'll just be a bunch of broke-ass nothings.
[QUOTE=Ocolumbo; 1156639]I am sorry, but I think your focus is misplaced.
I think the people with the organized agenda to push for laws to bust Johns as felons are not from the conservative, traditional family, soccer mom, religious right. They are from the radical Left. They are militant, radical, fanatical and extremist feminists who are obsessed with "rescuing" all women from trafficking, slavery and coercion, if those things happened to come into play. But if they did not, no problem. They would still try to stop all forms of prostitution in the state because all forms of paid sex, be they AMPs, hostess bars and strip clubs, are "gateway" to prostitution, if not prostitution itself. And all forms of prostitution, not just street walkers and pimps, have to be eliminated because prostitution in and of itself will lead to trafficking, coercion and slavery. Their logic is inexorable. It has to be because, in their ideological worldview, men oppress women, and women have to be rescued and freed.
I think some rank and file supporters may be coming from conservative and religious angles. But the leaders and organizers are from the radical Left. In Hawaii, it is Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery. [/QUOTE]UGH! *facepalms* if I wanted to read about political crap, I'll just go read the on line editorial pages at the star advertiser.
[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1156800]Next time you go to see your favorite Chinese provider, grab your nuts and say "dong-shi"
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5i4kKPF8q0&NR=1[/url]
[/QUOTE]For those who don't know Mandarin Chinese, "dong xi" is loosely translated as "thing." The gril in the video is too shy to say "dick," so she says "thing" instead.
[QUOTE=Blake123;1156868]For those who don't know Mandarin Chinese, "dong xi" is loosely translated as "thing." The gril in the video is too shy to say "dick," so she says "thing" instead.[/QUOTE]Whats the Chinese word for dick?
[QUOTE=Blake123;1156868]For those who don't know Mandarin Chinese, "dong xi" is loosely translated as "thing." The gril in the video is too shy to say "dick," so she says "thing" instead.[/QUOTE]Thats Evelyn Lin, check her vids out.
Oh and if you think she resembles any of our working girls say something!
[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1156800]Next time you go to see your favorite Chinese provider, grab your nuts and say "dong-shi"
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5i4kKPF8q0&NR=1[/url][/QUOTE]For your viewing pleasure:
[url]https://cdn05.foxwhisper.co.uk/Categorized/[/url] (SW) %20Asian / September%202010/222894-zhong%20guo%20mei/
[QUOTE=Stoner R;1156862]UGH! *facepalms* if I wanted to read about political crap, I'll just go read the on line editorial pages at the star advertiser.[/QUOTE]Why don't you go find out for us how the new law targeting Johns, if passed, would affect AMPs and their customers? That would be useful information we could all use.
[QUOTE=Oldee;1156875]Whats the Chinese word for dick?[/QUOTE]Cantonese "lun"; pussy "chow". Lun yung-pr*ck face; chow hai-stink see*nt.
[QUOTE=Stoner R;1156862]UGH! *facepalms* if I wanted to read about political crap, I'll just go read the on line editorial pages at the star advertiser.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, Ocolumbo's post is very appropriate for this forum, especially this thread of the forum. Sadly, the editorial pages at the star advertiser has never, and probably will never, discuss consensual adult commercial sex work in an open, honest and frank way. Perhaps this forum can serve as a meeting point for those who desire to lobby our elected leaders to decriminalize consensual adult commercial sex work.
If not here, then where?
[QUOTE=Aflack;1157067]Cantonese "lun"; pussy "chow". Lun yung-pr*ck face; chow hai-stink see*nt.[/QUOTE]Hey so "chow" means pussy? Maybe that's why the old lady at a Chinese resturant gave me a paused and funny look when I asked her if they got "chow mein" for lunch? Does it translate to pussy noodles?
FYI, I just went to the Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery and browsed through their listings and found this link which mentioned this website: Appears that they are connected internationally and try to incorporate those issues with the local market here in Hawaii.
[url]http://www.trafficjamming.org/JohnsUsingOnlineForum.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Ewa Beach; 1157170]In my opinion, Ocolumbo's post is very appropriate for this forum, especially this thread of the forum. Sadly, the editorial pages at the star advertiser has never, and probably will never, discuss consensual adult commercial sex work in an open, honest and frank way. Perhaps this forum can serve as a meeting point for those who desire to lobby our elected leaders to decriminalize consensual adult commercial sex work.
If not here, then where? [/QUOTE]First They came.. Pastor Martin Niemoller.
"First they came for the communists,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me.
And there was no one left to speak out for me."
Can change to street walker, AMP girl, stripper and KBG?
Or change to John in Waikiki, monger at AMPs, monger at strip clubs, and monger at hostess bars?
Chow=stink; hai=puss. Maybe the accent you used for chow mein was different but I made the mistake. Chow, chau, chiau; real close.
Human slavery is taking it too far; voluntary human bondage is more like it. If you can make money, no pay taxes, and come-and-go as you please then they are bound to their occupations much like we are. IMO only; no responses, please.
FYI, I just went to the Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery and browsed through their listings and found this link which mentioned this website: Appears that they are connected internationally and try to incorporate those issues with the local market here in Hawaii.
[url]http://www.trafficjamming.org/JohnsUsingOnlineForum.pdf[/url]
[/QUOTE]Except Hawaii ain't the P. I, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand or even Korea. I have never seen, and never will see, any evidence of trafficking or coercion or slavery at Honolulu AMPs. No signs of beating, rape or starvation that PASS tries to tie all pay sex with the worst cases of pimp / property relationship. From what I have seen and what the girls have told me, they make great bucks and can come and go as they please, holding their own passports. This is Hawaii. There is a saturation of AMPs and saturations of girls wanting to be part of the business, all asking for a price for service that may be just a bit above market rate. Hence, business is slow for everyone. AMPs in Hawaii provide a safe and clean place for the girls to work as well as a safe and clean place for mongers. Everyone wins. Except for feminist ideologues who hate evidence that goes against their worldview.
But the feminists activists are organized, maybe internationally. Maybe the Korean AMPs owners are organized who could influence politicians and law enforcement here. I do not know. I do know that mongers are not, and cannot be.
So we have changes in laws in the works that target Johns. How would this play out for AMPs and their customers?
[QUOTE=Ewa Beach; 1157170]In my opinion, Ocolumbo's post is very appropriate for this forum, especially this thread of the forum. Sadly, the editorial pages at the star advertiser has never, and probably will never, discuss consensual adult commercial sex work in an open, honest and frank way. Perhaps this forum can serve as a meeting point for those who desire to lobby our elected leaders to decriminalize consensual adult commercial sex work.
If not here, then where?[/QUOTE]I'm not talking about the law or proposed law itself.
I was referring to his comments about conservatives vs. Liberals.
Imo, both are equally to blame. You have some crazy elements on the left (see feminazis) and on the right, you have the group that promotes laws in the name of 'family values' yet they do the very thing that they pass laws against (see mark foley, larry craig).
[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1157212]FYI, I just went to the Pacific Alliance to Stop Slavery and browsed through their listings and found this link which mentioned this website: Appears that they are connected internationally and try to incorporate those issues with the local market here in Hawaii.
[url]http://www.trafficjamming.org/JohnsUsingOnlineForum.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]Karl Rhoads is a douchebag
[QUOTE=Oldee;1156875]Whats the Chinese word for dick?[/QUOTE]There are a few variations in Mandarin Chinese. Probably the most useful one at a Chinese AMP / MP would
be "lao er" (literally "second in the family" or "little brother)." "Diao" is another one.
[QUOTE=Oldee;1156875]Whats the Chinese word for dick?[/QUOTE]Jiba = cock.
Lu jiba = donkey dick.
Lao er = second in command.
Diao = dick.
Xiaodidi = wiener.
Jigouzi = pecker.
Jiji = willie.
Chuizi = schlong (hammer)
Jiahuo = tool.
Yin jing = penis
[QUOTE=Johnny14; 1157212][url]http://www.trafficjamming.org/JohnsUsingOnlineForum.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]You do realize this is from 4 years ago, right?
[QUOTE=Stoner R; 1157441]I'm not talking about the law or proposed law itself.
I was referring to his comments about conservatives vs. Liberals.
Imo, both are equally to blame. You have some crazy elements on the left (see feminazis) and on the right, you have the group that promotes laws in the name of 'family values' yet they do the very thing that they pass laws against (see mark foley, larry craig).[/QUOTE]Where is the religious rightwing group in Hawaii pushing for laws against prostitution?
[QUOTE=Stoner R; 1157031]For your viewing pleasure:
[url]https://cdn05.foxwhisper.co.uk/Categorized/[/url]
(SW) %20Asian / September%202010/222894-zhong%20guo%20mei/[/QUOTE]Well. There goes my weekend, LOL! Thanks!
[QUOTE=Stoner R; 1157031]For your viewing pleasure:
[url]https://cdn05.foxwhisper.co.uk/Categorized/[/url]
(SW) %20Asian / September%202010/222894-zhong%20guo%20mei/[/QUOTE]You are the man. Xie-xie!
How many Japanese bars get? Only been to La Vi En Rose, Club Angel and Club Serina. I guess noone bothers with a thread on Japanese bars as most if not all don't really offer play. What I like though is these bars don't really hustle for drinks like a KB / VB. Sometimes just want to kick back and lounge. If get more, I no mind checking other places. I guess Bushido is another one. The one on Makaloa St near Walgreens another one.
Went to Club Serinas not to long ago on King Street across Jack in the Box before Mccully. Small place with with a couple of girls. Sat at the bar and sang a few songs. The women were cool. Got them to sing a song to and neither asked for a drink. It's like they shame to ask. I guess they didn't want to scare us away hehe. KB / VB have no shame at all. The second you walk in they follow you in. Nice to have a change of pace then to be on radar ready to get nuked.
[QUOTE=Uki Eater; 1158991]How many Japanese bars get? Only been to La Vi En Rose, Club Angel and Club Serina. I guess noone bothers with a thread on Japanese bars as most if not all don't really offer play. What I like though is these bars don't really hustle for drinks like a KB / VB. Sometimes just want to kick back and lounge. If get more, I no mind checking other places.
Went to Club Serinas not to long ago on King Street across Jack in the Box before Mccully. Small place with with a couple of girls. Sat at the bar and sang a few songs. The women were cool. Got them to sing a song to and neither asked for a drink. It's like they shame to ask. I guess they didn't want to scare us away hehe. KB / VB have no shame at all. The second you walk in they follow you in. Nice to have a change of pace then to be on radar ready to get nuked.[/QUOTE]There was and may still be some kind of Japanese drinking / relaxation establishment on King Street before the park in that business complex. Don't remember the name. There is local bar right around the corner from it that I went to a few times 20 years ago. Don't remember that bar's name either. Anyway, I remember seeing a lot of young ladies, including some haoles, coming out to say goodbye to what looks like Japanese men they have entertained. I never bothered to enter that establishment.
[QUOTE=Uki Eater; 1158991]How many Japanese bars get? Only been to La Vi En Rose, Club Angel and Club Serina. I guess noone bothers with a thread on Japanese bars as most if not all don't really offer play. What I like though is these bars don't really hustle for drinks like a KB / VB. Sometimes just want to kick back and lounge. If get more, I no mind checking other places. I guess Bushido is another one. The one on Makaloa St near Walgreens another one.
Went to Club Serinas not to long ago on King Street across Jack in the Box before Mccully. Small place with with a couple of girls. Sat at the bar and sang a few songs. The women were cool. Got them to sing a song to and neither asked for a drink. It's like they shame to ask. I guess they didn't want to scare us away hehe. KB / VB have no shame at all. The second you walk in they follow you in. Nice to have a change of pace then to be on radar ready to get nuked. [/QUOTE]There is also Aoyama on King St next to Anyplace Lounge. I was in there a few weeks ago and there were some nice looking Japanese ladies in there.
[QUOTE=John Ross;1158998]There is also Aoyama on King St next to Anyplace Lounge. I was in there a few weeks ago and there were some nice looking Japanese ladies in there.[/QUOTE]Oh yes! Thanks. Going to check it out.
Anyone know anything about this place?
[quote=john ross;1146014]speaking of farrington, remember in the 90's when there was lollipops? on keeaumoku. i went with some friends and they told me some of the girls there were current students at farrington.[/quote]this was behind stargazer which was run by vanessa at misty's. was an awesome club, with lots of young hotties, most local. unfortunately, most ****. lots of action in private dance booths. bbbj, fs, daty.
[QUOTE=Doc Wayne;1159028]Anyone know anything about this place?[/QUOTE]It's an open bar with low tables, some private rooms but no play. Drinks are $10 for girls, food is great, local mix American, located on King street in town. Parking sucks because of limited spaces although they validate on adjacent lot.
Girls are young mid twenties mix local-American, owner is Korean but this is NOT a KBar. If you have a date and want to get her drunk for cheap, order the home-made blender fruit soji, strawberry a pint for $20. The atmosphere is laid back karaoke.
[QUOTE=Doc Wayne;1159028]Anyone know anything about this place?[/QUOTE]It's not a KB/VB. A regular open bar you can sit and sing karaoke or sing in the private rooms. I went there on a Thursday night and Thurs nights they have live band playing jazz music. I think from 8-10pm.
[QUOTE=Uki Eater;1159004]Oh yes! Thanks. Going to check it out.[/QUOTE]At Aoyama, its mortly cool but can get expensive if you speak japanese. My buddy bought a Kobota Manju sake for $300 but its a big bottle and they have bottle keep. Bodaiju nearby run by Aoyama mama's sister is bigger bar and got local girls working too.
Ate at the Korean restaurant recently on Koreamoku next to Keeamoku supermarket, with the big tree outside with tables. That was some good Korean food. That 1 1/2 hours me and SO were there eating all these K girls would walking by, but we were sitting at the table with the wood fence so you could see the face for 1/2 second at a time as they walked past the fence. Looks like I need to do some shopping or atleast get some eyecandy at that supermarket. The other funny thing while sitting at the table eating my wife noticed a church above the restaurant and made a comment. Funny about her innocence not knowing pine tree is right there also. So there are two places above the supermarket with people saying "Oh God".