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When I say Nora vagina felt weird, it felt very loose, I've never felt anything like that before and even now. Been reading some reviews on the other site and I haven't seen any mention of this so who knows.
I didn't DATY it was primarily FIV where she squirted, but before starting she did lube it up. I had upgraded to go to Greece so outside FIV.
So I might not be the best person to say if Nora transitioned, so you'd have to go check her out for yourself.
[QUOTE=YoyoSpa;7386170]At the risk of churning the board I'll weigh in on the Thai boy controversy. I've had three pay-for-play experiences where I left with a strong suspicion that I hadn't been dealing with "original equipment". The first one was an AA provider working out of Midtown NYC. That was a few years back. The other two were very recent with Thai Indy's working in Tysons.
Both of the Thai Indy's were very conventionally attractive although you got a hint of the masculine in their face. They were a taller (for a Thai girl) and slimmer than the others. I found them to be very sexy but ultimately the sex itself was a bit disappointing. That had more to do with what they can do than with me getting freaked out about fucking a guy.
The tell tale for me is how she handles DATY. Does she get fidgety and cut it short even when you are being really gentle? Does she never get wet from DATY? (Or did she excuse herself to the bathroom so she could apply a ton of lube up there before you even get going?
On the other hand, it's probably the real deal if she pushes your head back down till she gets her O and leaves you with a puddle (Kira). Another good sign is when she reacts to stimulation of her G-spot in prone bone by having a shaking O (Kira again) or suddenly getting wet and needing you to back off for a bit (Nira). Finally, a skilled provider with original equipment knows how to clamp down on Jr when riding you over the edge (Scarlet).
At this point, I'm going to stick with the Thai providers I feel solid about and when I TOFTT it's probably going to be a Latina or Kgirl.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. Thais are new ground for me, coming out of the Baltimore metro wasteland. The extra 30 min drive to Tysons seems well worth it. Eventually I might dip my toes into the agencies.
I also wonder if a gentle, but straightforward question in the initial text with less-vetted providers would help. Though some Thai boys working under the radar might not be so truthful.
Besides other physical characteristics, hip width is also a consideration. Real girls are structurally different in that regard.
[QUOTE=TwinkieAcct25;7386993]When I say Nora vagina felt weird, it felt very loose, I've never felt anything like that before and even now. Been reading some reviews on the other site and I haven't seen any mention of this so who knows.
I didn't DATY it was primarily FIV where she squirted, but before starting she did lube it up. I had upgraded to go to Greece so outside FIV.
So I might not be the best person to say if Nora transitioned, so you'd have to go check her out for yourself.[/QUOTE]I once had a girlfriend that was extremely loose. Always. And I'm pretty sure I was the only one doing the pounding. Maybe she had toys, I don't know. But obviously they are not all built the same.
[QUOTE=YoyoSpa;7386170]At the risk of churning the board I'll weigh in on the Thai boy controversy. I've had three pay-for-play experiences where I left with a strong suspicion that I hadn't been dealing with "original equipment". The first one was an AA provider working out of Midtown NYC. That was a few years back. The other two were very recent with Thai Indy's working in Tysons.
Both of the Thai Indy's were very conventionally attractive although you got a hint of the masculine in their face. They were a taller (for a Thai girl) and slimmer than the others. I found them to be very sexy but ultimately the sex itself was a bit disappointing. That had more to do with what they can do than with me getting freaked out about fucking a guy.
The tell tale for me is how she handles DATY. Does she get fidgety and cut it short even when you are being really gentle? Does she never get wet from DATY? (Or did she excuse herself to the bathroom so she could apply a ton of lube up there before you even get going?.[/QUOTE]Two other ways to tell, generally but not always true so again, take with a pinch of salt.
(1) Adam's Apple: Men have that in their throat, Google images if you do not know what they should look like.
(2) Men's second (index) finger is generally shorter than the fourth (ring) finger, IE. Lower 2 D:4 D ratio indicate higher androgen exposure.
[QUOTE=TwinkieAcct25;7386993]When I say Nora vagina felt weird, it felt very loose, I've never felt anything like that before and even now. Been reading some reviews on the other site and I haven't seen any mention of this so who knows.
I didn't DATY it was primarily FIV where she squirted, but before starting she did lube it up. I had upgraded to go to Greece so outside FIV.
So I might not be the best person to say if Nora transitioned, so you'd have to go check her out for yourself.[/QUOTE]That's odd but it could be the lube. It's partially why I'm not a huge fan unless the girl is super dry. Otherwise, it's a slip and slide and nothing is feeling all that great.
I've been wanted to check out Nikki for several years, and finally got around to seeing her a few days ago. The first thing I'll say is that I probably should have seen her several years ago. Her pics are definitely her, but they were probably taken at 10+ years ago. She's still attractive, but she has aged and put on weight.
Finding her was easy. Apartment in Fair Lakes area, and when I parked she asked for a pic of the building before sending me the apt # (I don't know what the point of this is). Once in the door a mixed experience began. I excused myself to use the restroom, and then when I came out I put down the donation (160/ hh) and undressed. She did not help, or undress herself. She had me lay down on the bed, face down for the massage. It was underwhelming to say the least. She concentrated on my lower legs, then upper legs, then lower legs again. Barely any teasing (a couple of ass slaps and I think she grabbed my package once).
On the flip she got better. Dress came off but she wasn't into a lot of touching. There was NO kissing. The highlight was her head game. I'm average, and after a minute or so of teasing, she started taking it all the way down. That did show some talent. The BBBJ lasted a decent amount of time and then it was on with the cover. First it was doggy, with her seeming to enjoy herself. Switched to standing missionary where she took a pounding like a champ, and then I pulled the cover and finished with Russian, shooting on her chest. She cleaned us both with paper towels and that was it.
There was never an offer of a shower or a BT before or after. Just offered water.
I'm glad I finally tried her, just so I could cross her off my list (and like I said, her head game was pretty good). I will likely not repeat.
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She gives an excellent massage but I quit going to see her because she kept raising the price on me for a HJ with her teddies out. Just recently texted her and asked her what her tip expectation is going forward on that and she wants to act like she didn't know what I was talking about. I'm done with her for good. I don't have times to play games with her.
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They switch out nice asian or thai pics every few weeks but with no names and the ad text remains unchanged. No reviews. Looks like bait and switch.
[QUOTE=DeeMoney23;7390358]She gives an excellent massage but I quit going to see her because she kept raising the price on me for a HJ with her teddies out. Just recently texted her and asked her what her tip expectation is going forward on that and she wants to act like she didn't know what I was talking about. I'm done with her for good. I don't have times to play games with her.[/QUOTE]I saw Vandara three times over a period of about 6 months in the last year. Each time I hoped the experience would be better. She does give an excellent massage and if that all your after she is a good choice. However, I found her aloof, mechanical, and could never get her to allow touching. Her L1 was meh. I wasted enough time and money with her. Too bad because she was close to where I work.
Its very strange to see absolutely no reports on any newer providers at all. There are so many now Layla, Jesse, the white girl etc etc any one trying out some new talent?
Hello,
I've been out of the game for a while and I've been looking to get back in. Though preferably, I'm looking for any thais that are preferably without tats. Bonus points if they're well endowed in the chest area and if they rim too.
No firm return date, but gone for at least a month, probably more. Any ads on Bedpage or RubRankings will run until they expire, but she's already stopped taking appointments and left the area.
IMO, she was pretty burned out after a number of negative client encounters. Hopefully some time away will help refresh things.
Having seen Vandara for a number of years (though not recently), here are some thoughts, gleaned from personal experience, for getting the most value from a session with her:
1. There is only one reason to see Vandara, the quality of her massage.
2. She is a massage-centric therapist. HJ is offered, sometimes the girls come out, but she will charge what she can get away with for those extras.
3. She will never "warm up" to a client, full stop. The menu won't expand with repeat visits, and there is no elevated or special status to be achieved. If no one has coined the phrase "Golden Client Syndrome," you read it here first! GCS ain't happening with this masseuse, fuhgeddaboudit!
4. Keeping the above points and limits firmly in mind, Vandara generally responds well to a transactional approach (suggestions below).
Suggestions:
- IMO, the best Vandara value proposition is a 90 min massage + HJ (no topless or girls exposed). Why? Because she periodically advertises discounts for 90 min sessions and, even when not listed in her ad, she will often offer a discount (for 90 minutes, not 60) if asked, esp if business is slow. If topless is a must for you, I would respectfully submit that you should reconsider seeing Vandara. Anything more than standard HE opens the door to inflated expectations (on both sides) and will likely reduce the perceived value for the $ paid.
- The best transactional approach requires that you want the HE less than she wants your money. I remind her that there are several Thai masseuses with whom a standard clothed HJ is included in their base price (tip appreciated but not required). For an excellent 90 min massage (no time shorting) + HJ my standard offer is a $40 tip. If she balks at that, I can either say "OK, massage only" or just cancel the session. Since she's already allocated that time for me, and since a HE basically costs her nothing, the transactional leverage is in my favor.
- I've also found it helpful to incentivize her by saying that I'm happy to tip extra for an extra nice session. I don't set any expectations and I don't commit to a tip amount. It's entirely open-ended and up to her. If catching her on a good day, the extra nice session might consist of girls out and / or a nice extended finish. On the other side of that coin, I don't hesitate to leave LESS tip if the session isn't the full 90 minutes or if the HJ isn't up to snuff. When that happens, I clearly explain why, offer the observation that she's not in her best form, and that I hope next time will be better.
- FWIW, whether I've tipped more or less has had zero effect on future appointments. IME, Vandara approaches each session as a new transaction, with little or no carryover from prior visits. Of course, that assumes nothing extreme happened on a previous visit. But my main point is that, in general, the transactional approach works pretty much the same every time.
Just my two-cents' worth, hope it's helpful for some.
Met up with Dara in a familiar complex in Tysons. She is the lady in the pics. I'd guess 35 years old, slightly trending towards MILF. Face is more girlish in the ads, but in person she is a stunning Thai woman. Same radiant smile. English is ok. Solo shower, then BBJ preview. Multiple positions, finished with CIM. Light massage at end. Not quite GFE due to no LFK. Delightful and engaging in conversation. I picked her brain regarding a future trip to Thailand. Sweet woman. Perhaps not an immediate repeat due to my preference to sample, but recommend. Treat her well.
My favorite ATF is back, I have a feeling long timers already know. She was the original Milin reach out for info if you need, don't want to slam her apartment.