Some petty bastards on here.
Okay this hobbying is getting to the point of who can screw the other over first. I am not seeing any joy in it anymore. Most of the good providers are leaving Knoxville or straight up retiring. With all the "miscommunication" of MSOG and getting mad about it. Just ask upfrint and don't assume. The drastic low balling of providers when we know they are in need is actually pathetic. If you want to pay junkie prices get a junkie. We all know being prompt is not a strong point with most of the providers. There are exceptions and they get the premium prices. There have been reports of someone ripping off a member on here and if you all know he whole story of what happened you would think different of this guy but he will get his in the end. This same guy threatened me through the provider and it just made me laugh. To those that are setting appointments with a provider for outcall that you know is 45 minutes away and then canceling when they get there (you know who you are) well that is a childish punk thing. I may become person non Grata but I had to get this off my chest and let the few on here know that the little games they are playing are extremely childish and only hurt the hobby in the long run. If you don't want to see a provider for whatever reason don't contact them. People that know me and want me to elaborate some more can PM me but that is all I am going to say in public forum.
Sorry for the rant but this is an adult hobby and the children need to move on.
Bezee.
Going to layout my opinion on several things at once
So I'm planning on visiting you guys this week, but some of the things I have read here are quite disturbing and may be a deal breaker. I'm a safe, reliable, verified provider. In your forum I am reading things that quite concern me in regards to my safety. I'm reading about game playing, I'm reading about malicious ads, I'm reading about unsafe practices actually advocated for by a provider who now is understanding how orange is the new black. I'm reading about lowballing, I'm reading about sending ladies on wild goose chases:
[QUOTE=Bezee2012;2866738]Okay this hobbying is getting to the point of who can screw the other over first. Most of the good providers are leaving Knoxville or straight up retiring. The drastic low balling of providers when we know they are in need is actually pathetic. If you want to pay junkie prices get a junkie. To those that are setting appointments with a provider for outcall that you know is 45 minutes away and then canceling when they get there (you know who you are) well that is a childish punk thing. Sorry for the rant but this is an adult hobby and the children need to move on.
Bezee.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bezee2012;2866738] [B]To those that are setting appointments with a provider for outcall that you know is 45 minutes away and then canceling when they get there (you know who you are) well that is a childish punk thing.[/B] [/QUOTE]This is why ladies screen or should screen. When you know who you are seeing this does not happen.
[QUOTE=Whitney31;2836689] [B]I'm tired of girls [U]upselling[/U], the fake pics, the drug use, the pimps.[/B]
[B]If the pic looks fake, it probably is.[/B]
[B][I]Keep your info personal. Don t give your full name, don't use your personal phone, don't tell them where you work[/I], don't bring your wallet in with you, esp if you have your driver license in it or extra money. Just bring what is needed for the donation and if the girl has satisfied you above and beyond then go to your car and tip them. Tips are very much appreciated. Never pay for service up front and never discuss or exchange hands. A great provider will not be demanding of pay up front, to me, my donation is not worth jail time. [/B][/QUOTE]Upselling is bad. Everyone leaves disappointed. A smart client only takes in the proper donation and maybe a tip. If he doesn't receive the services he expected for the posted rate, he leaves disappointed. The provider loses a potential regular because she disappointed the client.
If the pictures look fake. If the girl answering the door isn't the girl in the pix, you aren't the guy with the money. It's that simple.
Don't give you full name etc. And this is why she is sitting in the pokey. If you don't know who you are seeing, you have no way of protecting your self from getting busted, hurt, pranked, etc. A reputable provider won't see guys using burner phones. We have reviews for our legitimacy but clients are just an unknown on the other end of a text or call.
Here are threads from Indianapolis regarding burner phones and client verification:
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2853581]Your real name is John Smith. You by a Verizon phone, with an account paid each month for you and your family under that name, multiple lines etc. That is your real phone. Has your real name and any info associated with it.
Now you buy a Walmart burner phone under the name of Joe Blow, pay cash, no links to any other personal information, no addresses, cities etc. This also is a real phone much different than apps or internet lines. However some providers can with a capital investment see that you are Joe Blow with no address or any other information. So, thus a burner phone and they won't answer or they tell you to call with a real phone or provide personal information to verify that you are safe. Again, probably 85% of the time a provider contacted doesn't care or know what phone or app you are using. The safe ones do!
Does this help?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mwdude;2853519]A burner phone is one tool a man has to keep his identity for getting out to unsavory providers that might use it against them. Or to just keep some separation between real life and fun. Note that Sara didn't say she wouldn't see someone that uses a burner phone, only that you better be easily screen able because her safety comes first to her. Create a good reputation for yourself with good providers or get on a screening service to nudge things along, and good providers will respect that.
The ladies that don't ask any questions are the worrisome ones. Those are the ones that don't care about anything but their next fix and their next wad of cash to pay for it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sara8032;2853217]I responded to this before but do not know if A2 is declining to post my response. He's very busy so I'll try again.
One) do you think I could or would tell?
Two) providers must be able to protect themselves against creepers to remain safe. You have Reviews to fall back on when considering particular ladies. You, as just a number or a handle, could be this guy [URL]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/textbook-case-w-va-sex-worker-stopped-serial-killer-authorities-n400646.[/URL].
Three) discreet.
Theə712;skrēt /.
Adjective.
Careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, especially in order to avoid causing offense or to gain an advantage.
Four) anonwhymous.
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Adjective.
(of a person) not identified by name; of unknown name.
"the anonymous author of Beowulf".
Synonyms: unnamed, of unknown name, nameless, incognito, unidentified, unknown, unsourced, secret More.
Although often confused in the hobby, numbers three and four are very different. You do not have to remain anonymous to be discreet. Reputable and careful providers care about their safety and do not value your "need to remain anonymous " over their personal safety. It's that simple.
But to answer your question there exists many ways to determine if the number you are using is an app, a VOIP, a burner phone, a cell phone or a landline. Contact me on a burner and all communication ceases until you demonstrate that you value my need to remain safe. Just recently I had a guy contact me that I had to have him contact me from a non burner. Thank God I did. My spidey senses were on overload. Further research on this particular guy revealed numerous arrests for criminal confinement, aggravated battery, strangulation etc over the last couple of years and that he had been recently released from state custody. I know with every inch of my Bbw body, had I seen this guy I would have been beaten, raped and robbed.
I think I deserve that level of security that puts my safety over any clients anonymity.
Recently a valued provider on here was beaten and worse because she "respected" his need for anonymity. Fuck that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2857846]Some of you have really screwed the pooch lately. I know it's difficult to play the game of how to determine if the ad is going to get you what you want when you visit, but really some of the dumb stuff that I have heard lately has already amazed me and blacklisted some of you.
[B]Contacting New Ads:[/B] You see a NEW ad for a provider on BP, USA ACA, Er*s, Etc. Not one that has been reviewed, talked about or promoted before, again research is the key. What do you do. Contact them the way they specify in the ad. It's simple. If they want text only, use texts. If they want calls only, then call. If they want e-mails only then e-mail. If they don't specify then it's open season on how you want to contact them. But don't get pissy if you text and never hear back when the ad says [B]Calls Only[/B]. You can try anything you want but if you don't follow the ad, you may never hear back.
[B]Contacting Established Ads:[/B] The ads can be several places just like new ads and the method of contacting them is similar, just follow the ad's request. The ads for established providers like Heidi, Jordan, Aurora, Mmgeg, Bre Sexi, Leah even Sabrina's are ads for "established" providers. Why are they established, because there are multiple reviews / postings about them, you just have to look. Yes even Sabrina was discussed and pics posted for almost a week before she was available. It was clear that she was safe. I even put up a post in the proper forum, with a link an hour after her first appointment. She is known as a traveling provider and they do frequent the area from time to time so get used to doing the research. If someone like Ilapp is discussing her arrival you can bet that once she arrives she is safe, real and ready for business.
[B]No Verification:[/B] Many BP ladies don't require verification. That's why LE has a field day with them. I was once told by a BP lady to bring her a pack of cigarettes because that way she knew I wasn't Uncle. That's how ignorant some of these ladies can be. If they don't ask for verification, then go ahead and set up the appointment, but then it's a somewhat risky TOFTT if there is no info about them from your research. Research is very important here so go to the research section of this blog and read how to do it.
[B]Verification Required Unknown Provider:[/B] If the provider is not known then what they ask for and what you give them can be debatable depending on their request and your comfort level of their request. For many of you personal information, real phone numbers, workplace information, e-mail addresses are out of the question, but then you may not see them so don't get pissy. It's your choice. If they ask for provider references then be prepared to give them that info. I personally feel that if a provider asks for personal info and through my extensive research I find little to no info on them, then I will pass because it's either LE or a scam. I just won't waste my time with it.
[B]Verification Required Known Providers:[/B] The ones that are known, are safe, have been reviewed or discussed then be prepared to comply with their verification process. It could include many things like a real phone number, workplace info, e-mail address etc. If they don't ask for other provider references then don't give them any because they obviously don't use them. If you don't like their verification process then you have a choice, provide it or don't see them. Don't send endless texts of multiple provider references to someone who really doesn't use them, it pisses them off! Some verified providers prefer to be called to discuss the verification process, some prefer texts, some e-mails. Follow their instructions. They are doing this for their safety as well as yours. What is really stupid is calling them on your real phone number and giving them a made up name. Now you are blocked because they normally know your real name. Again it's all about choices and the reliability and safety of the provider. The Kitty Club has a stringent verification process but it's safe so again it's your choice.
[B]Contact Etiquette Unknown Providers:[/B] Ask unknown providers anything you want but just be aware it may cause you to be blocked. Asking if they suck dick and swallow will probably get you blocked and may get you arrested if by chance it was LE on the other end. No incriminating texts or convo's, wait until you are there. A lot of this is explained earlier in this blog so read it. I normally ask if FS is available and then wait until I am there to ask more about the menu so I can get a feel for the provider and situation. You can always walk away.
[B]Contact Etiquette Established Providers:[/B] Calling or texting with known, reviewed, discussed and / or established providers requires some common sense. If you don't know what is offered from the research then your research probably sucks! Sabrina was discussed but the full menu was not, however it was made pretty clear that she was FS and most likely GFE. Things like greek and fetishes were not discussed but they are not a real common discussion and normally come out in reports later by those who partake if the provider provides these services. Now here is the issue that occurred recently. Don't text a provider asking about an appointment and then wait hours to return their text. These are not "unknown" BP ladies. They are more professional, so be quick in your responses. We all hate it when our texts go to crickets, well the good providers do also. Be responsive in a timely fashion so the provider doesn't feel like they are getting the run around, which is something we don't like either. The other thing is if you are having an inappropriate dialogue either through texts or a conversation and they ask you to stop, then STOP! Continuing on with this type of dialogue will only get you blacklisted. If you are dumb enough to continue on and they then refuse to see you, and then you tell them it's ok because you just came from watching their porn movie, don't get all pissy because you can no longer, ever and forever, see them because of your stupidity!
[B] They Do Talk to Each Other[/B] Last but not least, most established providers communicate with each other. If you want to post about big noses on this board, or how someone must be unsafe because they did a porn movie in the past, or you want to push the personal limits and discretions of a young inexperienced provider by requesting personal pics or videos, then just be prepared for the fallout. Because they talk, because they know each other, your comments about one may BAN you from several. It's not always going to be evident. They may tell you to go away or your texts and calls may just go unanswered. It was your choice to say and do what you want, it's their choice to not see you now or ever again.
Oh by the way if you call a provider and they don't answer then they are either busy, a flake and not answering calls, or you have been blocked. Try calling providers several times, most call you back if they aren't flakes. Don't be a pest and call every 5 minutes but, once an hour and four or five times a day is not inappropriate. Texting a few times a day is also OK. If you never hear back from them after a couple of days of doing this then you are either blocked or they are a fake.
As always respect goes both ways. As a hobbyist if you show your humanity, then the good providers will show you a good time.[/QUOTE]JUST MY OBSERVATIONS.
Wait Sara8032. I picked up the mic you just dropped
[QUOTE=Sara8032;2868205]So I'm planning on visiting you guys this week, but some of the things I have read here are quite disturbing and may be a deal breaker. I'm a safe, reliable, verified provider. In your forum I am reading things that quite concern me in regards to my safety. I'm reading about game playing, I'm reading about malicious ads, I'm reading about unsafe practices actually advocated for by a provider who now is understanding how orange is the new black. I'm reading about lowballing, I'm reading about sending ladies on wild goose chases:
JUST MY OBSERVATIONS.[/QUOTE]You stepped in from Indy to the Knoxville board, did some research, then "dropped the mic". Whoa, I had to pick up the mic that you dropped for a moment. I fully appreciate the way that you established a hypothesis, provided supporting evidence, then noted a conclusion based on that evidence. We all understand that conclusions are only as sound as the assumptions for which they are built upon. I acknowledge that some of the issues that you have read about could, and likely should, be a deal breaker for a traveling provider. Let me help enlighten you for a bit. We have a rather vocal board in our small neck of the woods compared to cities many times larger. We do a reasonable job of policing ourselves and calling out mongers who could do, but choose not to do better by the way they disrespect themselves, providers, or the hobby itself. You are reading the gritty, unfiltered, grimy, dirty realities of what is likely going on wherever you have visited or planning to visit; we're just putting it out there because we communicate and are passionate about it. I'm sure that you, like the rest of us, would rather that those travesties did not occur, but they do and you have the privilege of reading about it here. The alternative would be for us to be quiet about it and you would arrive unaware of the goings on; I'd prefer the raw and unabashed nature of how things are discussed on this board. Regardless of what you have read, writing off a visit may be a bit myopic and you would miss out meeting some really stand up gentlemen. Many of those gentlemen aren't as vocal on this board, but they would appreciate your taking the time to share your talents in Knoxville and would show you a remarkable time. Based on recent events (i.e., the busts), you may not want to set up in the Pigeon Forge / Gatlinburg area, but be sure to do a little sightseeing there. You seem like a provider who does her research, is always aware of her surroundings, is safety focused, is no non-sense, is verified and performs diligent screening, is book and street smart, and aims to please. With all of your superlatives, I can't imagine a location on this planet in which you wouldn't be able to thrive .,.,. especially little ol' Rocky Top Tennessee.
Continue your excellence.
MILFMan.
Contacting Providers Does and Don'ts
I just read this interesting, Does and Don'ts post by Sr. Member Freckle Freak out in Indianapolis. A must read for all newbies.
Post #55
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?19166-First-Time-Posters-and-Newbies[/URL]
Bing watched: the Girlfriend Experience
[QUOTE=Rrayr;2876862]I just started watching the Girlfriend Experience on Starz this week.
Although it's a fictional show, and the escorts are on the higher class end spectrum of things, I couldn't help but relate to the circumstances, lingo, scenarios, and predicaments the characters go through. Worth a watch.
TGFP
Rrayr[/QUOTE]I concur with your assessment man. I watched the entire first season over a couple of days OnDemand. I don't have the propensity to binge watch, but the draw of Elvis Presley's granddaughter had me hooked. The higher end escort activities boggles the mind. It is in stark contrast to Secret Diary of a Call Girl from several years ago. The series is definitely worth a look.
Stay safe,
Milfman.
