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I went to PT the other day. June is back, if you haven't seen her I highly recommend great time as always with her. I was a little hesitant with everything going on with the Kraft thing however, glad I stopped in, it had been awhile since I had been. June did say super super slow. I'll def be making my way back. Stay safe.
After the recent events my friend was scared to death, and 2 of the 5 times he visited an AMP he was so scared he didn't even get in. 2 out of the 3 times that he decided to go in, the providers were too scared to even HE him. The only time he got the HE he was so scared he barely enjoyed it.
Probably the chances that you are visiting an AMP under investigation are too small, but you never know. There are cameras (from the AMP itself) just when you get in, and it scares the crap out of him.
He also feels horrible for the providers. They are living a hell, and they are still human beings. That's mostly the main reason he quit.
[QUOTE=Lindin;4179540]After the recent events my friend was scared to death, and 2 of the 5 times he visited an AMP he was so scared he didn't even get in. 2 out of the 3 times that he decided to go in, the providers were too scared to even HE him. The only time he got the HE he was so scared he barely enjoyed it.
Probably the chances that you are visiting an AMP under investigation are too small, but you never know. There are cameras (from the AMP itself) just when you get in, and it scares the crap out of him.
He also feels horrible for the providers. They are living a hell, and they are still human beings. That's mostly the main reason he quit.[/QUOTE]May we accurately replace "he" with "I"? I have a friend who used to have a drinking problem.
[QUOTE=ShurShot14;4179874]May we accurately replace "he" with "I"? I have a friend who used to have a drinking problem.[/QUOTE]I was assuming his friend was a certain part of him.
I'm done with these places for a while I'm afraid.
To get a camera, or any other device into a place of business for surveillance, you must get a warrant from a judge. To get a warrant, you must have good info. The place in Jupiter was a very busy AMP with months of surveillance due to tips about human trafficking. They cleared the place / s with a fake bomb scare in order to get everyone out, so they could place the cameras and such inside. The workers can easily check, as most are, for any devices using detectors and / or simply looking at every object in the rooms. From what I've read and heard, this was more for human trafficking and licensing issues. The other charges just added to it. I don't think they are that concerned of anything but the trafficking issues, as they should be. However, they've also scared everyone in the industry. Yet, I 'believe" most LEO's like these places around so guys stay off the streets.
Just my 2 sense.
[QUOTE=HumanBeing;4180649]I was assuming his friend was a certain part of him.
I'm done with these places for a while I'm afraid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Geolis;4180904]To get a camera, or any other device into a place of business for surveillance, you must get a warrant from a judge. To get a warrant, you must have good info. The place in Jupiter was a very busy AMP with months of surveillance due to tips about human trafficking. They cleared the place / s with a fake bomb scare in order to get everyone out, so they could place the cameras and such inside. The workers can easily check, as most are, for any devices using detectors and / or simply looking at every object in the rooms. From what I've read and heard, this was more for human trafficking and licensing issues. The other charges just added to it. I don't think they are that concerned of anything but the trafficking issues, as they should be. However, they've also scared everyone in the industry. Yet, I 'believe" most LEO's like these places around so guys stay off the streets.
Just my 2 sense.[/QUOTE]Media is making two stories out of this, human trafficking and Robert Kraft. Really unfair to Kraft, and this is coming from a Patriot Hater.
Any intel on this busty beauty?
[URL]https://candy.com.tampa.listcrawler.com/post/29674487/[/URL]
[QUOTE=PapaSmurfSanjo;4181019]Any intel on this busty beauty?
[URL]https://candy.com.tampa.listcrawler.com/post/29674487/[/URL][/QUOTE]Looks painful.
[QUOTE=Lindin;4179540]After the recent events my friend was scared to death, and 2 of the 5 times he visited an AMP he was so scared he didn't even get in. 2 out of the 3 times that he decided to go in, the providers were too scared to even HE him. The only time he got the HE he was so scared he barely enjoyed it.
Probably the chances that you are visiting an AMP under investigation are too small, but you never know. There are cameras (from the AMP itself) just when you get in, and it scares the crap out of him.
He also feels horrible for the providers. They are living a hell, and they are still human beings. That's mostly the main reason he quit.[/QUOTE]Don't feel horrible for the providers. The human trafficking allegations are almost certainly a sham. That is just not how the Asian massage business works. I used to date a spa girl for a long time and got an inside look, not just at her spa but at many spas all over the country. These women have a very wide network of friends, both workers and owners, and it is not a human trafficking network.
The girls usually do live in the spas, but not because they are sex slaves or poor. They live in the spas because they travel around to work, and you guys know this is true! How often do you hear that "so-and-so is on vacation" or "so-and-so go New York"? The girls work 7 days a week for a few months and then they rotate out. And they actually are on vacation. They take a break for a couple of weeks or a month and then return or go to another spa. Why get a place to live or a set of wheels if you're only going to be in a city for a few months? Doesn't make sense. Live in the spa, maximize your earnings. Sleep, work, money, sleep, work, money, sleep, work, money, vacation. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I think there is some human trafficking in this business, but it's pretty damn rare, and I don't think it's happening in Tampa Bay and I definitely think the Martin county trafficking accusations are a sham. (I have very good reasons to think this that I can't share here.) Remember, all these women talk on WeChat all over the country. News travels fast. If a mamasan decided to keep women as slaves, people would know right away. It's just not how it's done.
The girls aren't found through some human trafficking ring. They put an ad on a website and someone answers it. They talk on WeChat, often on video. Then the girl flies in, gets picked up at the airport, and goes to work. I saw this play out dozens of times. It was always friendly and normal. No one arrived in chains in the back of a van. They flew in dressed well, went to dinner with us, and then off to work.
The door fee is usually $80. It varies from place to place, but the girls get a cut of that, usually $30, and the owner gets $50. Whatever tips the girl gets are hers to keep. The usual handjob tip is $40 and most girls see about 4 guys per day. So if they work seven days a week for three months, the haul is $25,200. Popular girls who do more will make a LOT more than this. These girls aren't poor maltreated sex slaves. Most of them make more than you probably do. I met lots of them through my girlfriend. They all had the latest iPhone Xs, expensive purses and shoes, the older ones had kids in college which they paid, all of that. These girls aren't poor, they're rich. They look poor to you because they choose to live a different way. You see them in their little spa outfits, not dressed to the nines to go out on the town. Does it make sense to anyone that a trafficked sex slave would have an iPhone X? I've been on mass shopping trips to the mall with these girls, and they have blackbelts in shopping with your monger money.
That leads me to something else. When I was on the inside, the girls would always laugh about guys who thought they would rescue them from being poor spa girls. They would mock the guy for probably having "low money" as they put it. These girls make piles of cash and most expect the lifestyle that goes with it. If you want to date one of these girls, and especially if you don't want her to work anymore, you'd best be prepared to make north of $200,000 per year, because she will expect you to keep her gravy train rolling. (I'll bet you'd need $300,000+ to date Momo at Han River. My guess is that she makes $800 per day at a minimum. A three-month stint for her is at least $70,000.).
The other thing to take note of is that the mamasan is sometimes not the owner. Sometimes, the masseuse you think is just a worker owns the place and the mamasan is her aunt or some other relative. You'll never know who owns the spa you're in because they'll never tell you unless you really get inside like I did. (And when I found out, I was very, very surprised. All that time I thought one person owned it when it turned out it was the person I least suspected.) Also, the person who owns it on paper may not be the "real" owner. Spas change hands all the time informally without any change in official paperwork. The owner-on-paper may have owned the place you're at 5 years ago and is long gone to another city and another spa.
Human trafficking is a terrible thing. It does happen. But it's not happening at your typical spa. What is happening is that anti-prostitution activists are using fake human trafficking accusations as a screen to try to get the spas closed. Bloviating loud-mouthed sheriffs are spewing slander against these people. It really angers me. Don't help them perpetuate these lies!
[QUOTE=PapaSmurfSanjo;4181019]Any intel on this busty beauty?
[URL]https://candy.com.tampa.listcrawler.com/post/29674487/[/URL][/QUOTE]She had / or has a place in Pinellas Park and did body rubs with FS extras.
Sorry, can't comment on quality or value.
[QUOTE=TampaMonger;4181960]Don't feel horrible for the providers. The human trafficking allegations are almost certainly a sham. That is just not how the Asian massage business works. I used to date a spa girl for a long time and got an inside look, not just at her spa but at many spas all over the country. These women have a very wide network of friends, both workers and owners, and it is not a human trafficking network.[/QUOTE]TM, personal thanks for making this post. This "reality" jives much better with my experiences than the public human trafficking scenarios that have been publicized recently. No one wants to perpetuate suffering or inhumanity, and this post gives me great peace of mind. Haters going to hate, especially regarding the Pats. I can now watch the drama unfold without questioning my morality, at least, any more than usual.
Planning to visit one of the 6 Shops next week. Reading on their website, it looks like the fees are all inclusive. Please PM me if you've been there and have any advice that would help me out. Thanks.
[QUOTE=LoveMung;4175809]Went this morning. Monica is no longer at Bayside. Mamasan tried to me tell me she was with another customer, but after about 20 min of waiting I figured out that mamasan was the only one there. Left with partial refund.
Has anyone seen the regular attendants at the other shops? Maybe this has something to do with all the news reports recently?[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for the report. That is too bad about Monica. I saw her once, and had hoped to see her again. I have been visiting Bayside for over a year, and have always had at least a good session there, and some excellent ones. Stay safe.
[QUOTE=TampaMonger;4181960]Don't feel horrible for the providers. The human trafficking allegations are almost certainly a sham. That is just not how the Asian massage business works. I used to date a spa girl for a long time and got an inside look, not just at her spa but at many spas all over the country. These women have a very wide network of friends, both workers and owners, and it is not a human trafficking network.
The girls usually do live in the spas, but not because they are sex slaves or poor. They live in the spas because they travel around to work, and you guys know this is true! How often do you hear that "so-and-so is on vacation" or "so-and-so go New York"? The girls work 7 days a week for a few months and then they rotate out. And they actually are on vacation. They take a break for a couple of weeks or a month and then return or go to another spa. Why get a place to live or a set of wheels if you're only going to be in a city for a few months? Doesn't make sense. Live in the spa, maximize your earnings. Sleep, work, money, sleep, work, money, sleep, work, money, vacation. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I think there is some human trafficking in this business, but it's pretty damn rare, and I don't think it's happening in Tampa Bay and I definitely think the Martin county trafficking accusations are a sham. (I have very good reasons to think this that I can't share here.) Remember, all these women talk on WeChat all over the country. News travels fast. If a mamasan decided to keep women as slaves, people would know right away. It's just not how it's done.
The girls aren't found through some human trafficking ring. They put an ad on a website and someone answers it. They talk on WeChat, often on video. Then the girl flies in, gets picked up at the airport, and goes to work. I saw this play out dozens of times. It was always friendly and normal. No one arrived in chains in the back of a van. They flew in dressed well, went to dinner with us, and then off to work.
The door fee is usually $80. It varies from place to place, but the girls get a cut of that, usually $30, and the owner gets $50. Whatever tips the girl gets are hers to keep. The usual handjob tip is $40 and most girls see about 4 guys per day. So if they work seven days a week for three months, the haul is $25,200. Popular girls who do more will make a LOT more than this. These girls aren't poor maltreated sex slaves. Most of them make more than you probably do. I met lots of them through my girlfriend. They all had the latest iPhone Xs, expensive purses and shoes, the older ones had kids in college which they paid, all of that. These girls aren't poor, they're rich. They look poor to you because they choose to live a different way. You see them in their little spa outfits, not dressed to the nines to go out on the town. Does it make sense to anyone that a trafficked sex slave would have an iPhone X? I've been on mass shopping trips to the mall with these girls, and they have blackbelts in shopping with your monger money.
That leads me to something else. When I was on the inside, the girls would always laugh about guys who thought they would rescue them from being poor spa girls. They would mock the guy for probably having "low money" as they put it. These girls make piles of cash and most expect the lifestyle that goes with it. If you want to date one of these girls, and especially if you don't want her to work anymore, you'd best be prepared to make north of $200,000 per year, because she will expect you to keep her gravy train rolling. (I'll bet you'd need $300,000+ to date Momo at Han River. My guess is that she makes $800 per day at a minimum. A three-month stint for her is at least $70,000.).
The other thing to take note of is that the mamasan is sometimes not the owner. Sometimes, the masseuse you think is just a worker owns the place and the mamasan is her aunt or some other relative. You'll never know who owns the spa you're in because they'll never tell you unless you really get inside like I did. (And when I found out, I was very, very surprised. All that time I thought one person owned it when it turned out it was the person I least suspected.) Also, the person who owns it on paper may not be the "real" owner. Spas change hands all the time informally without any change in official paperwork. The owner-on-paper may have owned the place you're at 5 years ago and is long gone to another city and another spa.
Human trafficking is a terrible thing. It does happen. But it's not happening at your typical spa. What is happening is that anti-prostitution activists are using fake human trafficking accusations as a screen to try to get the spas closed. Bloviating loud-mouthed sheriffs are spewing slander against these people. It really angers me. Don't help them perpetuate these lies![/QUOTE]I have been visiting AMPs for years and agree with what you are saying. I have developed relationships with some of these ladies as well, and for the most part this is how I understand it works. Most of the ones I get to know used to work in lower paying jobs, and get into this line of work to get ahead and change their style of living. A lot are looking for boyfriends or husbands. Stay safe.
[QUOTE=TMike4;4182932]Planning to visit one of the 6 Shops next week. Reading on their website, it looks like the fees are all inclusive. Please PM me if you've been there and have any advice that would help me out. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The fees are all inclusive however the attendants do appreciate gratuity (tips) especially if you enjoyed your session. However, tipping is not required. The only attendants who are presently in the daily / weekly rotation that I can attest to as due to my past experiences is Charlie, Remie, & Reyna. Each are very good at what they do and you won't be disappointed. The others I don't know due to not having any sessions with them. All attenfants are independent providers and not employees of any shop FYI.