CookyJar's Streetwalker Photos

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4310212]Ashley is not a Sugarbaby. Perhaps she could be, for someone, someday who knows. I am posting her pictures here in order to draw some attention to the conversation below and maybe encourage some others to join in the discussion.[/QUOTE]We both have strong, intractable and opposite points of view about this subject, strongly rooted in experience. That fact is not likely to change with endless discussion. And it would appear that this subject is not of much interest to others. Therefore, I look forward to seeing if others can add any interesting perspectives.

I do agree with your strategy. Pics seem to draw much more attention in here than words. LOL

You say Ashley is NOT a SB. Here is a girl who IS a SB. Maybe between the two of us we can draw some attention to the discussion.

Isn't there a "Philly Sugar" section on this forum? How about using it?

[QUOTE=TrojanHorsey;4310246]There are only 2 kinds of women:

Your wife.

Not your wife (which means everybody else).

And trust me, you paid for all of them LOL.[/QUOTE]In my earlier days I use to read a lot of books and use to read books by Iceburg Slim and other books written by rare and underground street guys from the 80's. Anyway, one book I read said a wife and keeping her is the most expensive woman of them all. Don't believe me just look here and read the real life stories: [URL]https://forum.mensdivorce.com/index.php?sid=2181962477d5a3aaab98387cfd4e2c75[/URL].

And the thing with a wife is just because she's married to you that doesn't mean that she will be faithful.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4310212]

In reality, when it comes to sex, there are but two types of women. There are those who give it away, for free and with no monetary charge. And! There are women who charge / sell it for monetary profit. That is it; that is all there is. However, within in both groups there are categories. A woman who gives it away, for free, to any and everybody is called a S!ut or Wh0re. A woman who sells it to any and everybody who is willing to pay for it is called a prostitute. Victorian age moralist have tried to intermingle all inappropriate sexual deeds by referring to all fallen women, whether they sell it or give it away, as wh0res or sluts. These days referring to modern day prostitutes, streetwalkers, call girls, escorts and any female who sells her body as a s!ut or wh0re is acceptable. Historically, the common prostitute was considered a step above the common s!ut and the common s!ut was considered a step beneath the common prostitute. That was societies point of view. From the female point of view, both the prostitute and s!ut were undesirable positions.

From the male point of view, until recently, it was equally as satisfying to fuck sluts or prostitutes. Fucking willing, available sluts were and are the cheaper option. However, finding a good s!ut who is willing to fuck just anybody is way harder than finding a cheap prostitute, who is willing to fuck anybody for cash. There is no modern day, Victorian term for males who fuck sluts. A man who fucks sluts (women who give it away) is considered, just your average everyday man. There is a destination for men who fuck prostitutes. Men who fuck prostitutes (women who sell their bodies for money) are designated as johns. The term, "john," is a common but undesirable position. Most johns are content to hide the fact that they pay to play. On the other hand, most men who fuck sluts regularly are often proud to brag about they exploits to both friends and family. Being a male-wh0re, especially in certain younger societal groups, is welcomed by both sexes. Consider the big-man on campus phenomena. A man, who is able to fuck a lot of different women, for free, is often held in high esteem. A man who has to pay for sex is more often than not considered some kind of a pervert.

This brings us to this question. Which, among men, is seen as the most desirable position? Which is the most admired, among johns? Among your average male, which among societies point of view, is the better; the monger who fucks streetwalkers, the monger who dates escorts or call girls or the guy who patronizes sugar babies, exquisitely.

.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. No woman gives away free sex. When a woman decides to have sex with a man it's because in her mind she is getting something in return. Most young women are sexually attracted to men who have power over others and have high status. A buddy of mine is high up in the hospital staff and the stories he tells me of all the women who are after him. He's not even a doctor. There is always something being exchanged you just have to look for it.

As far as female prostitutes it's a misnomer that they sleep with everyone and anyone for the right price. Some prostitutes only sleep with their own race, some have age limits, if you're too aggressive or have bad hygiene or creepy behavior they won't see you. When I was in Amsterdam I was turned away from a few window girls I wanted to see and I also saw other men being turned away as well. Many people think prostitutes don't have a choice but they do. Yes, they have more casual contacts / encounters than any other kind of woman but even within their profession they still pick and choose who they will service unless their drug addiction consumes them.

Lastly, as far as the big man on campus and being a male * most of those guys are borderline rapist. I use to hang out with guys from the football team of a major west coast college and all these guys would do is invite women over and ply them with alcohol and wait until they were too drunk to be able to resist their sexual advances. I had nothing to do with that culture or lifestyle once I found out about it. All around this country there are many women so sadly went to a college house party or a nightclub thinking nothing of it and just wanting to have harmless fun only to wake up the next morning not knowing for sure what happened or if they actually consented to sex with the guy who is lying right next to them. Nothing to be proud of.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4310212]Ashley is not a Sugarbaby. Perhaps she could be, for someone, someday who knows. I am posting her pictures here in order to draw some attention to the conversation below and maybe encourage some others to join in the discussion.
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This brings us to this question. Which, among men, is seen as the most desirable position? Which is the most admired, among johns? Among your average male, which among societies point of view, is the better; the monger who fucks streetwalkers, the monger who dates escorts or call girls or the guy who patronizes sugar babies, exquisitely.

This is the premise on which the entire Sugar baby website and concept was and is based on. Sugar Babies are little more than repurposed call girls, escorts, streetwalkers and prostitutes. Despite the name change, a rose by any other name is still a rose.
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From what I can tell, from today information, a sugar baby is any girl who can ask for and get a higher than average price for her wares. IMHO, a Sugar Baby is just another name for call girl or escort.

If I can find a streetwalker who is clean, drug-free, and reachable by phone, punctual, reliable, sensually and sexually responsive and has an attitude which meets with your approval, for you, she would be considered a, Sugar baby. Am I right? ...[/QUOTE]I can't help with the definitions. I also don't know too much other than what I've found in various places on this site, or being schooled by my past experience.

I started out with "escorts" (at least that's what the websites were calling them), with higher prices and a hotel room available to do the deed. I never ventured into the $300 and up range of escorts, it just wasn't worth it to me. I eventually cruised some of the loops in my area, and had some fun with streetwalkers.

I eventually found a streetwalker that was reachable by phone, reliable, practiced good hygiene when the means were available to her, and after several encounters showed she wouldn't rip me off even when given the opportunity (because she understood the value of repeated visits she count count on).

Like a lot of SWers, she's got the boyfriend / husband / pimp who leaches off her earnings when he can. I suppose he's fulfilling some need for her because she keeps hanging with him even if she gripes about him most of the time. At best, I could call this girl a "friend" but the street has schooled me that I'm just "friendly money" to her, and there's no particular attachment on her part. I help her out on occasion over & above the tuition for the service performed. Mostly, I do that because it makes it easier for me to get her when I want, and because I can. 100% the boyfriend (and any of the folks in the neighborhood he talks to) calls me her "sugar daddy". 100% the boyfriend means that to be a negative comment, like she's getting over on me and getting paid more for the same service than she gets from others.

The boyfriend is right to a degree; being her "sugar daddy" is a negative if she's able to manipulate me into giving her what she wants when she wants without giving something in return. I do enjoy her company apart from the P2 P aspect, plus she is the type that is my exact preference (Like CJ's petite, tiny Vicki from a couple years ago, or Amanda from further back). I have a hard time finding her exact type whether on a website or on the street. And her P2 P performance is exactly what I want, every time.

So I get something out of it, and she gets something out of it. If she ever gets any "extra" compared to other dates, it's always at my discretion and always because I offered the extra. When she's tried to turn that around (like when she was on vacation with the state), it didn't work out like she hoped. I've gotten P2 P for similar outlay on my part, or more (for some escorts), or less (from some SWers). But I've never gotten "the same" experience from any of those others, much less "better".

So the boyfriend looks down on me. Maybe some in the neighborhood do too. Then again, both she & I are getting exactly what we bargained for, and it's working out for both of us. And CJ's words, "Fair exchange is no robbery," keeps repeating in my mind. I hope the girl, the boyfriend, and whoever else tells everyone in the neighborhood. If another girl pops up that scratches my itch just right, you can bet she will already know to take care of me so she gets taken care of.

(All that said, I know the going rates in my area, and never go above them except afterwards, and for exceptional performance. My one regular is an exception, but only slightly).

[QUOTE=Lance547;4310898]... a wife and keeping her is the most expensive woman of them all...
And the thing with a wife is just because she's married to you that doesn't mean that she will be faithful.[/QUOTE]They cook, clean, and take care of the kids. What about the kids? No matter how you cut it, they are half yours. You played, so don't bytch about paying. After all, she got the worst part of that bargain, anyway. Forget about the nine months in which her body goes through a bunch of bullshit that I wouldn't agree to have my body go through for all the money in Fort Knox. And, what about that period thing? Bytches got it rough. What's their reward? She gets to marry an asshole who thinks he's god gift, cheats on her every chance he gets, and when he does join her in bed, he's trying to jam his dick up her ass, after watching too much porn. And! If we're talking about your average modern day women, after her womanly chores are done, just like you, she also has a nine to five job.

Personally, I like women. I don't talk bad about the people I like. I think that's been part of my success. IMHO, we men are the assholes.

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=Noobalicious;4311286]So the boyfriend looks down on me. Maybe some in the neighborhood do too. Then again, both she & I are getting exactly what we bargained for, and it's working out for both of us. And CJ's words, "Fair exchange is no robbery," [/QUOTE]The boyfriend is an asshole, we've already determined that. No real man lives off of his women's pussy. So, fuck him and the horse he rode it on.

Do you and what works for you. In the end, that's all that's important. There are a few people in this world whose love and respect I'd like to have. However, if those few people can't love me and respect me for who I am. Fuck 'em. I wish them the best.

As long as you're enjoying your life. Don't sweat the petty stuff.

(Vicki was a keeper. We were like two ships passing in the night. I still look for her, but she's gone.).

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4310579]...I look forward to seeing if others can add any interesting perspectives.

I do agree with your strategy. Pics seem to draw much more attention in here than words. LOL

You say Ashley is NOT a SB. Here is a girl who IS a SB. Maybe between the two of us we can draw some attention to the discussion.[/QUOTE]I am happy you've decided to post some of your picture in this thread. The Threads under the User Blogs blue line are often over looked.

I was given this thread by a pass Administrator, Jackson. I pointed out to Jackson, that supporting my own thread maybe something I did not want to do. I would be responsible for continually posting pictures with comments, providing substance and material, in order to keep the thread relevant. Since 2006 it's been my task to keep people interested and visiting the, "CookyJar Photo Thread. " It has been a chore. So! Whenever another member is willing to join in, post a few (or a lot) of pictures and add to the conversation, I say thank-you. Welcome aboard.

My name may be on the threat, but it is not my thread. The thread is for anyone who wants to join-in. The Admin is the monitor and I am the host. The Admin allows me to do pretty much what I want, within reason.

As long as we keep it positive, and no bullshit, the Admin is pretty understanding with whatever happens here.

[QUOTE=DotComm;4310611]Isn't there a "Philly Sugar" section on this forum? How about using it?[/QUOTE]We can talk about whatever the fvck we want. LOL.

CookyJar.

A woman I've known for a few years has had a sugar daddy for a few months, and she's explained their relationship to me recently. The guy has her set up in a decent apartment, internet on, phone, and an allowance. When he's not around, she pretty much does as she pleases, but she is always on call for him. He spends all that money to ensure he doesn't have to go find her, or wait. Right now it seems to work for both of them, so good for them right? It's more cash than I have (or care) to dispose of every month, but for some guys that's nothing.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4311690]I am happy you've decided to post some of your picture in this thread. The Threads under the User Blogs blue line are often over looked.

I was given this thread by a pass Administrator, Jackson. I pointed out to Jackson, that supporting my own thread maybe something I did not want to do. I would be responsible for continually posting pictures with comments, providing substance and material, in order to keep the thread relevant. Since 2006 it's been my task to keep people interested and visiting the, "CookyJar Photo Thread. " It has been a chore. So! Whenever another member is willing to join in, post a few (or a lot) of pictures and add to the conversation, I say thank-you. Welcome aboard.

My name may be on the threat, but it is not my thread. The thread is for anyone who wants to join-in. The Admin is the monitor and I am the host. The Admin allows me to do pretty much what I want, within reason.

As long as we keep it positive, and no bullshit, the Admin is pretty understanding with whatever happens here.[/QUOTE]You are correct. The User Blogs below the blue line are overlooked. However, I have been hesitant to post my comments and pics anywhere else than the user blog sugar threads because "SBs" are what I currently focus on and many members tend to get their panties in a bunch when you post off the thread topic. I used to post in the sugar thread in Richmond because I technically still live there, although I am spending increasingly more time with my business ventures in the area between Richmond and NYC, and especially now in northern MD, DE, NJ and eastern PA. Most recently I have been posting mostly in the Philly Sugar thread, although my SBs are all over the place in the corridor from Richmond to NYC.

I appreciate your welcoming my posts and photos in your thread. I take a lot of photos but I was hesitant to post them here because the thread title is specific to SWs. While I have had more than my past share of SWs, including in Philly, I don't really pick up SWs any more. I recruit amateurs to have sex for money. The common term for that is "Sugar Baby" but on this forum that mostly means threads about finding sex on sugar sites. I used to use sugar sites but I have found it far more interesting and productive to recruit my pay-to-play amateur sex partners "in the wild. " I have written some commentary on this but this recent post sums up what I do: [POST=4232658][b]Recruiting SBs in the Wild [/b][/POST] What I do doesn't really have a 'category," but it sure is on point with what this forum is all about. So, if you don't mind my posting here, then that's terrific! However, you really ought to change the name of your thread,. My title above, that you suggested in your post, would be a good one.

Below are some of my recent posts of pic series for the photo lovers who read your thread:

[POST=4225081][b]Fabulous Foursome[/b][/POST]

[POST=4258780][b]Perfect Sugar[/b][/POST]

[POST=4266102][b]Meek, Mild and Wild[/b][/POST]

[POST=4268804][b]More Meek and Mild[/b][/POST]

[POST=4281133][b]SB Bunny[/b][/POST]

[POST=4288608][b]More Meek and Mild[/b][/POST]

[POST=4290725][b]A Taste[/b][/POST]

[POST=4294603][b]Hot Party Dress[/b][/POST]

[POST=4297614][b]The First Course[/b][/POST]

[POST=4299507][b]At The Fair[/b][/POST]

[POST=4303287][b]Naughty SB[/b][/POST]

[POST=4306170][b]Sex Slave SB[/b][/POST]

I look forward to posting here the future and joining the "pic party' on this thread.

Here is a pic to draw attention to this post. After all, pics are what this thread is all about.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4310579]We both have strong, intractable and opposite points of view about this subject, strongly rooted in experience. That fact is not likely to change with endless discussion. And it would appear that this subject is not of much interest to others. Therefore, I look forward to seeing if others can add any interesting perspectives. ...[/QUOTE]People read the comments, even if they are too timid to add their own. Hell, I'm not even in Philly but I know about this thread (and thanks to CJ for more than a decade of awesome photo material!) and have benefitted from the information shared here.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4311646]The boyfriend is an asshole, we've already determined that. No real man lives off of his women's pussy. So, fuck him and the horse he rode it on.

Do you and what works for you. In the end, that's all that's important. ...[/QUOTE]I hear ya! What's funny is one of the neighborhood pharmacists told her the same thing, that she should drop him cause they see him sitting doing nothing while she goes out & earns the money.

I'm not worried about the boyfriend, but wanted to share my story to point out that at least some in the neighborhood would judge a sugar daddy, just as "normal society" would just a streetwalker or escort or prostitute. That is, the sugar daddy is the guy that overpays for the same service, so he's a target to try to beat. It's worth knowing about that, even if you never try to be a sugar daddy to a SWer, just to understand they will ask over the going rate for their services, or see what they can get away with, or how little they can do and still get paid.

I don't know, but suspect non-street-walking sugar babies think the same way even if they don't put it in those terms. That is, they will try to extract as much as they possibly can from the sugar daddy. Like I said before, I don't really blame them, both the guys & the girls are trying to get the best deal, or the most for what they're providing in exchange.

Anyway, I don't worry about what the boyfriend thinks, and not even really what the neighborhood thinks. Partly from CJ's advice in this thread and partly because of who I am, I'm friendly with the SWers I don't date, have no problem giving them a free cigarette, or buying a girl a drink & some chips when she approaches me for a date but I'm not interested. The neighborhood guys will see this, think you're a sucker giving stuff for free, and will approach to ask for something with nothing in exchange.

Some of the girls (who aren't worth bothering with & usually don't give good service anyway) might do the same. But I've found a lot more of them appreciate it, remember you, and will help you out in return. Shit, I even had one such girl flag down a regular to give me a jump start when my battery was dead. Then leave him there to go do a date with me! No, that wasn't the plan when she got him to help me out, but it became the plan afterward. LOL!

[QUOTE=OldSchool62;4271260]Pit-stopped in Phili Thurday evening around 10:00 pm Arrive on Kensington ave. And cruised the 3500 block for approximately 2. 5 hours. No Maylea, no Jordan. The circus was certainly in full force though. Tioga station, Somerset station, etc. Was a Zoo full of zombies and sk_ _ks. Health department was out sanitizing one side of Somerset station. Took a break at the DD. Resumed the hunt and asked a couple of ladies if they knew Maylea and / or Jordan. One knew both. Was kind enough to go look for them near Somerset. She returned about 15 minutes later. No dice. She did not ask me for a "search" donation but I gave her $5 for the effort. Asked another provider to look and was very aggressive with me. Demanded money from me before she would even look and I said no. She got angry, started the whole drama thing and I drove off. She chased my car down the block. Got stuck at a red light and I see her still running towards me with something in her hand (probably a bottle to chuck at my car). Had to blow the red light to get away from her. Headed home. I'm done with Phili unless I have digits. The condition of the roads is treacherous as well; nearly blew-out my front-end suspension hitting those darn pot holes. Thank you though Gator for trying to help.

Old School.[/QUOTE]For all those that are interested. Yesterday I happened to notice Maylea working the area between Venango and Atlantic. This was roughly 6:30 - 7:00 pm. That has always been her spot of choice. Jordan had been frequenting the Jasper and Huntingdon area. Recently as yesterday, I did see her strolling Somerset to Orleans and back. Both Mylea and Jordan are out there and available for those that wish to meet with them. Most of the activity had slowed considerably because of the heavy downpours. Gabby was confining herself to the block between Clearfield and Orleans. There are a few overhangs that provide some shelter from the rain. So, if you keep your eyes peeled and are looking for these three they can be found with a little effort.

Danielle that had been robbing guys around Buckius and the Jasper and pike area is still working that area. She does bounce to Clearfield to grab supplies then it's back to the same 'ol same 'ol for her. So be careful if picking her up. She is trouble through and through.

Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

I call her my librarian because I met her in a library and she looks like a librarian doesn't she? As one would expect she is quiet and submissive: does everything she is told. She likes to be quiet even during sex but, shades of "Groundhog Day," she makes noises like a chipmunk when she gets really excited. Hearing her breathlessly squeak as she bounces up and down on my cock is so perversely enjoyable. She is dutifully good without complaint for as long and for as many cups as I can manage. I love to fish hook her as I am doing her doggy. Some day I will get a tripod and catch that action as it happens.

Once I didn't have time to go to a hotel and we did it in the car like two teenagers. I reported on this a while back. I will dig out some extra photos from this and post them sometime. I never had so much fun in a car when I was actually a teenager. Some things actually do get better with age.

Life IS good my brothers.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4317890]I call her my librarian because I met her in a library …
Life IS good my brothers.[/QUOTE]Should we assume that the librarian is a civilian / Sugar Baby and is not readily available to the average monger? If I wanted to meet her, is she listed on any sugar baby website? Is there contact information available?

Normally when I post a girls picture, the assumption is that she is a streetwalker and unless otherwise specified she can be found on Kensington Avenue. When posting more than one group of pictures I will sometime wait until the last group to give any contact location. I don't share phone numbers. I don't like PMs. I will share were I found the young lady in the open forum. I do this in order to help other mongers.

After- all, USASexGuide is in its essences an information sharing website.

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4318460]Should we assume that the librarian is a civilian / Sugar Baby and is not readily available to the average monger? If I wanted to meet her, is she listed on any sugar baby website? Is there contact information available?.[/QUOTE]As I have previously explained, I don't use sugar sites. I recruit amateurs "in the wild. " In this case "the wild" was a college library. I have also previously explained that SBs are different from SWs in one important way other than the obvious: they generally won't have sex with just anyone for the price of admission; they exercise choice regarding the SD they choose to be with. Therefore, "contact information" would neither be appropriate nor useful.

[QUOTE]Normally when I post a girls picture, the assumption is that she is a streetwalker and unless otherwise specified she can be found on Kensington Avenue. When posting more than one group of pictures I will sometime wait until the last group to give any contact location. I don't share phone numbers. I don't like PMs. I will share were I found the young lady in the open forum. I do this in order to help other mongers.[/QUOTE]I "found" the young lady in a college library. If you want to recruit one like her almost any college library will do. I have been successful many times in that venue. All you need is the right game.

[QUOTE]After- all, USASexGuide is in its essences an information sharing website[/QUOTE]I did share her information. I posted her pics.