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[QUOTE=ScotchYoke;6712882]" Police said they rescued nearly two dozen young women POSSIBLY involved in human trafficking. ".

Basically they're here to save them whether they need it or not.

GTFOH.

(Joke) Also, where have these young women been? Usually it's old ladies isn't it‽ what did they do with the old ones? (/Joke).[/QUOTE]If they were actually taking the high road and rescuing women from trafficking, then great. But the lovely lady I banged yesterday owns a home in a better neighborhood than mine and drives a Lexus. Her kid graduated from GA Tech.

I've never gotten a trafficking vibe at a Camp. Kamps otoh can seem a little dodgeyer.

[QUOTE=Poshir;6712848][URL]https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/north-fulton-county/roswell-issues-temporary-moratorium-new-massage-parlors-human-trafficking-crackdown/UVL5YU7RNJHNZDXRCWK7OHZGV4/[/URL][/QUOTE]"(Roswell police chief) Conroy said the department is also going after those customers who knowingly participate in illegal acts."

So how do they determine who "knowingly participates"? Seems like there would have to be some targeted, intrusive surveillance or very general discriminatory profiling.

[QUOTE=Rolly10;6713666]"(Roswell police chief) Conroy said the department is also going after those customers who knowingly participate in illegal acts."

So how do they determine who "knowingly participates"? Seems like there would have to be some targeted, intrusive surveillance or very general discriminatory profiling.[/QUOTE]If police encounter "customers" during a raid or license check, they will ask you all sorts of intrusive questions. They have no probable cause or evidence at this point so they're relying entirely on YOU to provide it to them by answering these questions. Unfortunately, some monger will answer them not realizing he's only hanging himself.

Remember General Order #1: Don't talk to police! Simply say, "I respectfully decline to answer without my attorney" and then STFU.

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6713752]If police encounter "customers" during a raid or license check, they will ask you all sorts of intrusive questions. They have no probable cause or evidence at this point so they're relying entirely on YOU to provide it to them by answering these questions. Unfortunately, some monger will answer them not realizing he's only hanging himself.

Remember General Order #1: Don't talk to police! Simply say, "I respectfully decline to answer without my attorney" and then STFU.[/QUOTE]Just wondering why it would not be a good answer to tell them you were there getting a massage and just not answer any questions past that. It's not illegal to get a massage. It seems like the decline answer might make them more agitated.

[QUOTE=Parkway91;6716043]Just wondering why it would not be a good answer to tell them you were there getting a massage and just not answer any questions past that. It's not illegal to get a massage. It seems like the decline answer might make them more agitated.[/QUOTE]Fear of LE is exactly what allows them to conduct improper search and seizure. They are already agitated and nervous when they do a raid because there is a lot of uncertainty for the events that might transpire. You can calmly ask them if you are being detained. If they say yes then they have to Miranda you. If they don't Miranda you, then whose side do you think you are on? This isn't a traffic stop.

You are under no obligation to compromise your constitutional rights. You can tell your significant other or bros that you were "just there for a massage. " No one in LE deserves an answer unless your lawyer is present.

[QUOTE=Parkway91;6716043]Just wondering why it would not be a good answer to tell them you were there getting a massage and just not answer any questions past that. It's not illegal to get a massage. It seems like the decline answer might make them more agitated.[/QUOTE]You don't tell because most girls aren't licensed and they'll receive a citation and so will the shop.

[QUOTE=Parkway91;6716043]Just wondering why it would not be a good answer to tell them you were there getting a massage and just not answer any questions past that. It's not illegal to get a massage. It seems like the decline answer might make them more agitated.[/QUOTE]Because some courts have ruled that once you begin answering questions, you have essentially waived your right to remain silent and that your "initiation" of silence at that point can now be considered incriminating evidence to be used against you. It sucks, it's not fair but it's reality.

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6716451]Because some courts have ruled that once you begin answering questions, you have essentially waived your right to remain silent and that your "initiation" of silence at that point can now be considered incriminating evidence to be used against you. It sucks, it's not fair but it's reality.[/QUOTE]Thanks, very insightful. I had never heard that angle before.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/mugshawtys?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA==[/URL]

Man, what a world we live in.

Maybe some of our locals are shown.

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6716451]Because some courts have ruled that once you begin answering questions, you have essentially waived your right to remain silent and that your "initiation" of silence at that point can now be considered incriminating evidence to be used against you. It sucks, it's not fair but it's reality.[/QUOTE]
This short Youtube video from a defense lawyer explains what I was saying and why it's best to remain silent from the beginning. I'm not a lawyer so I may be misinterpreting some of it but I'd rather play it safe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRnsgFfZUI[/URL]

I apologize to the moderators if posting video links is not allowed. I'm only doing it for good of the brotherhood.

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6717155]This short Youtube video from a defense lawyer explains what I was saying and why it's best to remain silent from the beginning. I'm not a lawyer so I may be misinterpreting some of it but I'd rather play it safe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRnsgFfZUI[/URL]

I apologize to the moderators if posting video links is not allowed. I'm only doing it for good of the brotherhood.[/QUOTE]This is excellent. Thank you.

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6717155]This short Youtube video from a defense lawyer explains what I was saying and why it's best to remain silent from the beginning. I'm not a lawyer so I may be misinterpreting some of it but I'd rather play it safe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRnsgFfZUI[/URL]

I apologize to the moderators if posting video links is not allowed. I'm only doing it for good of the brotherhood.[/QUOTE]You don't need to talk to the police at all. You can say hello or greet them but if they ask you anything else, you should ask if you are being detained. If they say no then invoke the 5th. If they are detaining you, they need to read your Miranda rights. If they Miranda you, you need to invoke the 5th and say nothing else. Yes, they might take you to jail and make your lawyer get you out, but if you choose to abandon your rights then you are digging your own grave.

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6716451]Because some courts have ruled that once you begin answering questions, you have essentially waived your right to remain silent and that your "initiation" of silence at that point can now be considered incriminating evidence to be used against you. It sucks, it's not fair but it's reality.[/QUOTE]I think that was an Appellate Court ruling not Supreme Court, which if true means this information isn't correct.

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;6717347]You don't need to talk to the police at all. You can say hello or greet them but if they ask you anything else, you should ask if you are being detained. If they say no then invoke the 5th. If they are detaining you, they need to read your Miranda rights. If they Miranda you, you need to invoke the 5th and say nothing else. Yes, they might take you to jail and make your lawyer get you out, but if you choose to abandon your rights then you are digging your own grave.[/QUOTE]Had two officers show up at my house unannounced. I was at work, but my wife was there. They said they were investigating a case of stolen identity. Very cool, because they actually had busted a well known Creative Loafing advertiser that I had visited two days before. The next day, they showed up in the lobby of my company, asking for me. They were discreet and professional. We found a table in the lobby cafe, and it was clear that they knew who I was and where I'd been. Given their incredibly wonderful response to my wife the day before, I thanked them. They made clear they wanted only information, not me, and that if I answered their questions, I'd never hear from them again. I cooperated, even allowed them to look through my phone. After 10 minutes, they said thanks, shook my hand and I never heard from the again. I followed the case, and one friend from Creative Loafing went to jail for over a year; others involved I never heard about.

Had I remained quiet and unwilling to help, I am 100 percent certain I would have wound up in jail. But because of the way they handled talking to my wife, I felt I could trust them, and I was right, thankfully.

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.

Are you saying they arrested a girl who advertised in that paper?

Not sure most of us know what you're driving at.

This too is a great "Don't Talk to the Police" video from a law professor. It's a longer video but well worth the watch.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE[/URL]

[QUOTE=JackMehauf;6717155]This short Youtube video from a defense lawyer explains what I was saying and why it's best to remain silent from the beginning. I'm not a lawyer so I may be misinterpreting some of it but I'd rather play it safe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRnsgFfZUI[/URL]

I apologize to the moderators if posting video links is not allowed. I'm only doing it for good of the brotherhood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Allen981;6720011]Had two officers show up at my house unannounced. I was at work, but my wife was there. They said they were investigating a case of stolen identity. Very cool, because they actually had busted a well known Creative Loafing advertiser that I had visited two days before. The next day, they showed up in the lobby of my company, asking for me. They were discreet and professional. We found a table in the lobby cafe, and it was clear that they knew who I was and where I'd been. Given their incredibly wonderful response to my wife the day before, I thanked them. They made clear they wanted only information, not me, and that if I answered their questions, I'd never hear from them again. I cooperated, even allowed them to look through my phone. After 10 minutes, they said thanks, shook my hand and I never heard from the again. I followed the case, and one friend from Creative Loafing went to jail for over a year; others involved I never heard about.

Had I remained quiet and unwilling to help, I am 100 percent certain I would have wound up in jail. But because of the way they handled talking to my wife, I felt I could trust them, and I was right, thankfully.

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.[/QUOTE]First of all, I find it very hard to believe that the cops would come to your house and tell your wife what they were looking for you for. They are not suppose to do that. Second of all, what did the person you see do that got them in the slammer for a year? Another question is how did the cops find you? If you did nothing wrong and the cops had nothing on you except them knowing you saw the person who stole identity they should not even have showed up to your house. Unless it was your identity that was stolen. Is that what happened? I know from experience how this works. The cops showing up to your house over a case of stolen identity and telling your wife what they were there for sounds bogus for several reasons. Tell us what really happened. Hell, show us who this was if you can. Maybe some guys will finally have a mystery solved if they're identity was ever stolen if you are in fact telling the truth.

[QUOTE=Allen981;6720011]Sometimes you have to follow your gut.[/QUOTE]1. You got lucky.

2. If you are at the scene of the crime (an AMP) and a raid is going on, your gut better be telling you to be quiet.

Does anyone actually have experience being at a shop when it was raided? It seems you cover yourself and are ok. So if you do stay silent I'm assuming they do not have a right ask you for I'd; and then you ask if you are being detained. If no, you leave. It seems like they will look around and try to find some probably cause to come up with a reason to arrest you. Obviously since you are there and likely disrobed.

[QUOTE=Parkway91;6724263]Does anyone actually have experience being at a shop when it was raided? It seems you cover yourself and are ok. So if you do stay silent I'm assuming they do not have a right ask you for I'd; and then you ask if you are being detained. If no, you leave. It seems like they will look around and try to find some probably cause to come up with a reason to arrest you. Obviously since you are there and likely disrobed.[/QUOTE]I was at a Kamp during a police raid many years ago. Fortunately I was in the sauna when LE arrived. I know it's legal to take a sauna so I was polite and gave them my I'd when asked. Then one cop asked why I was there and I said just to get a massage. He pressed me and I said I just wanted a massage and he let me go.

If you're at a Camp and a licensed masseuse is giving you a massage, there's nothing illegal about that. Just grab a towel and be draped. Be polite to LE but don't say anything as other posters have said. Should LE walk in while you're getting a BJ, then just ask the cop if he wants to go next since you're almost done. LOL.

[QUOTE=Allen981;6720011]Had two officers show up at my house unannounced. I was at work, but my wife was there. They said they were investigating a case of stolen identity. Very cool, because they actually had busted a well known Creative Loafing advertiser that I had visited two days before. The next day, they showed up in the lobby of my company, asking for me. They were discreet and professional. We found a table in the lobby cafe, and it was clear that they knew who I was and where I'd been. Given their incredibly wonderful response to my wife the day before, I thanked them. They made clear they wanted only information, not me, and that if I answered their questions, I'd never hear from them again. I cooperated, even allowed them to look through my phone. After 10 minutes, they said thanks, shook my hand and I never heard from the again. I followed the case, and one friend from Creative Loafing went to jail for over a year; others involved I never heard about.

Had I remained quiet and unwilling to help, I am 100 percent certain I would have wound up in jail. But because of the way they handled talking to my wife, I felt I could trust them, and I was right, thankfully.

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.[/QUOTE]The creative loafing is still around?

[QUOTE=FutureTrunks;6725216]The creative loafing is still around?[/QUOTE]They were still a thing in the 2000's and 2010's.

[QUOTE=FutureTrunks;6725216]The creative loafing is still around?[/QUOTE]It's online only now, I believe.

[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;6720354]1. You got lucky.

2. If you are at the scene of the crime (an AMP) and a raid is going on, your gut better be telling you to be quiet.[/QUOTE]Not an AMP and they didn't seek me out until three days later. An out of town agency girl had called the police, making claims I knew nothing about.

I may well have gotten lucky, but I am absolutely certain had I NOT cooperated I would have been involved headfirst in something I did not want to be involved in. I'll never forget my shock when they showed up at the receptionist desk in my office building. It was clear they only wanted info that could possibly get higher ups. I told them what I knew (very little) was open and honest, and they stuck to their word. I never heard from them again. This was likely nine or 10 years ago.

Don't remember the name of the large girl who seemed to be the manager (she required a copy of your driver's license) but there was a red headed girl who would show you to the right place. She's the one that suffered.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=FutureTrunks;6725216]The creative loafing is still around?[/QUOTE]It is, but the ads that were of most interest have long gone away.

[QUOTE=TooHotForYou;6720302]First of all, I find it very hard to believe that the cops would come to your house and tell your wife what they were looking for you for. They are not suppose to do that. Second of all, what did the person you see do that got them in the slammer for a year? Another question is how did the cops find you? If you did nothing wrong and the cops had nothing on you except them knowing you saw the person who stole identity they should not even have showed up to your house. Unless it was your identity that was stolen. Is that what happened? I know from experience how this works. The cops showing up to your house over a case of stolen identity and telling your wife what they were there for sounds bogus for several reasons. Tell us what really happened. Hell, show us who this was if you can. Maybe some guys will finally have a mystery solved if they're identity was ever stolen if you are in fact telling the truth.[/QUOTE]They did come, and in a case where someone claims to being held against their will (a girl with the service had made a claim), rest assured they'll go anywhere. They covered up the real reason for their visit to my house with the cover of stolen identity to protect me. I'm eternally grateful.

This particular operation routinely had new featured workers every two weeks or so, all from out of town it seemed. I have no idea who or how many they ever got, but the low level house manager took a fall. This was nine or 10 years ago (maybe even longer) but I will never forget a second of it.

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[QUOTE=Parkway91;6724263]Does anyone actually have experience being at a shop when it was raided? It seems you cover yourself and are ok. So if you do stay silent I'm assuming they do not have a right ask you for I'd; and then you ask if you are being detained. If no, you leave. It seems like they will look around and try to find some probably cause to come up with a reason to arrest you. Obviously since you are there and likely disrobed.[/QUOTE]LE always look for evidence like condom, used tissue in trash, used hot towels, cash, Venmo, PayPal, cash app tx etc. And then further investigation after.

[QUOTE=Poshir;6727218]LE always look for evidence like condom, used tissue in trash, used hot towels, cash, Venmo, PayPal, cash app tx etc. And then further investigation after.[/QUOTE]LE will seize everyone! S phone and they have a way of un-code and view the text as well as calls history! They are smarter than we think!

It seems that not only has the City of Roswell put a pause on permitting new Camps for 90 days, but they are now doing everything possible to put roadblocks in the way of existing Camps license renewals.

Here is a link to all of the requirements and it appears that LE is following each and every one precisely making compliance very difficult if not impossible.

[URL]https://library.municode.com/ga/roswell/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COORROGE_CH4ADBUEN[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...3222986/?amp=1[/URL]

Feds investigating Mass. , Va. Brothel network seek charges against 28 alleged clients.

[QUOTE=Poshir;6742764][URL]https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...3222986/?amp=1[/URL]

Feds investigating Mass. , Va. Brothel network seek charges against 28 alleged clients.[/QUOTE]When the madam is an accountant and organizes everything. Why do people give real names and verification?

[QUOTE=Parkway91;6724263]Does anyone actually have experience being at a shop when it was raided? It seems you cover yourself and are ok. So if you do stay silent I'm assuming they do not have a right ask you for I'd; and then you ask if you are being detained. If no, you leave. It seems like they will look around and try to find some probably cause to come up with a reason to arrest you. Obviously since you are there and likely disrobed.[/QUOTE]Many years ago in NYC. Mammasan claimed it was a rival shop that tipped them off. Cops came to the door, banged on it. Mammasan came to all the rooms and told us to get dressed and stay put. Eventually the cops came in, checked everyone and and our ID's, tossed some of the rooms and let everyone go. But, this was another world, it's organized crime there, not the same environment as Georgia, not even close. Even back then it was all underground, no neon sign out front pretending to have any form of legitimacy. They were all apartment buildings that were segmented into massage rooms, there's nothing like that here. I'm certain if you want to operate that kind of business back home, both the police, and whoever owns the neighborhood gets a piece, and has to approve it.

With OF taking off like a rocket during the pandemic, I have had a harder time landing 8-9-10 level talent in the US or EU. Just about everyone I meet on SA has an OF account they are peddling. The more attractive ladies are also less available to meet, except when I get a random "let's meet today" message when rent is due. I found a really interesting article that I can only hope will play out in our favor.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2023/11/11/lifestyle/onlyfans-rival-fanvue-bets-on-porns-fake-future-meet-emily-the-sites-hottest-eerily-real-ai-model/[/URL]

I played around with a generator and it took me less than ten minutes and a few clicks to generate a "10" - a recreation of the Czech hottie I was with on one of my European adventures. At the end of the day it's still my hand on my dick, so it won't change my preference for a warm blooded encounter. However, my money is on AI adaptive modeling learning the visual and personality preferences of any man better than any girl trying to fake it to make it on OF or cam shows. If AI is able to dominate the virtual space perhaps real ladies will be more willing to get off the webcam and enjoy some old fashioned 1:1 time. Face down ass up.

[QUOTE=JunkSecond;6743685]With OF taking off like a rocket during the pandemic, I have had a harder time landing 8-9-10 level talent in the US or EU. Just about everyone I meet on SA has an OF account they are peddling. The more attractive ladies are also less available to meet, except when I get a random "let's meet today" message when rent is due. I found a really interesting article that I can only hope will play out in our favor.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2023/11/11/lifestyle/onlyfans-rival-fanvue-bets-on-porns-fake-future-meet-emily-the-sites-hottest-eerily-real-ai-model/[/URL]

I played around with a generator and it took me less than ten minutes and a few clicks to generate a "10" - a recreation of the Czech hottie I was with on one of my European adventures. At the end of the day it's still my hand on my dick, so it won't change my preference for a warm blooded encounter. However, my money is on AI adaptive modeling learning the visual and personality preferences of any man better than any girl trying to fake it to make it on OF or cam shows. If AI is able to dominate the virtual space perhaps real ladies will be more willing to get off the webcam and enjoy some old fashioned 1:1 time. Face down ass up.[/QUOTE]I can't imagine girls making enough on * to replace real income. The world is drowning in accounts. That said, it's dry as a bone out there.

Enjoy - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

Ease - Open sign not on.

Kaina - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

New Mei - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

M Massage (old Nova location) - open light not on.

We should all feel so much safer now.

[QUOTE=GreaterGator;6745326]Enjoy - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

Ease - Open sign not on.

Kaina - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

New Mei - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

M Massage (old Nova location) - open light not on.

We should all feel so much safer now.[/QUOTE]Since I know that your law enforcement reads this, Roswell, read this. Persecuting and prosecuting 90 lb Asian matures may make your balls feel bigger but the thugs are still out there and it is the thugs and their cancerous culture that is responsible for trafficking women and girls and turning them into prostitutes. You may fool the naive and stupid general public but you do not fool us. It is just so much easier to go after people who pose no threat to society, isn't it? After all, it's the votes that count, right? Pathetic.

[QUOTE=JadeEast69;6745359]Since I know that your law enforcement reads this, Roswell, read this. Persecuting and prosecuting 90 lb Asian matures may make your balls feel bigger but the thugs are still out there and it is the thugs and their cancerous culture that is responsible for trafficking women and girls and turning them into prostitutes. You may fool the naive and stupid general public but you do not fool us. It is just so much easier to go after people who pose no threat to society, isn't it? After all, it's the votes that count, right? Pathetic.[/QUOTE]How many open sexual assault & homicide cases do they have currently? This is something which is never asked at any type of city council or county commissioner meetings. I asked this once at a city council meeting & received a ticket on my way home for speeding, illegal lane change, & expired insurance which was current at the time. I took the hint & never went back to ask another? Again.

This is really a bunch of bullshit. I think the fact that you could get a legit good massage at most of these places. I've got chronic back pain and muscle tightness due to a confirmed medical condition and I can't tell you the number of times these ladies have worked out the knots to at least make me feel a little bit normal. The Chinese pressure point work they do can't really be found at your typical day spa type establishment. For all their talk about free markets and protecting small businesses, this obviously doesn't work for our local overlords if the business is run by Asian women and they don't like community perception of the service provided.

As an aside, I ventured up to a recently mentioned establishment in Cumming last week but the lady I drew told me she couldn't provide any extra services at the instruction of management. She was super nice and apologetic and I completely understood. Whatever places are left are so freaked about getting arrested or whatever they won't allow even a hint of impropriety. I mentioned the 'human trafficking' bs that was being thrown about to her and she confirmed that nothing like that is happening or at least in very rare exceptions. These are just hard working ladies trying make a buck.

[QUOTE=GreaterGator;6745326]Enjoy - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

Ease - Open sign not on.

Kaina - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

New Mei - Closed with orange City of Roswell Stop Work notice on door dated 1-5-24. Operating without license, no massage / spa license.

M Massage (old Nova location) - open light not on.

We should all feel so much safer now.[/QUOTE]