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Old Hags Past and Present
[QUOTE=StymieChula;6724489]You guys are funny I guess cause your all so f kin stupid.
You guys knock Willie who is a Real contributor to this forum.
Willie don't go around attacking people if you disagree with him bigstud47 does.
Let me ask you guys a simple question can you respond to any post from bigdud47 ?? NOOO you can't.
Your forced to read his REPLY he don't have original post of his own you dumbass's.[/QUOTE]Thanks StymieChula for coming to my defense. Champions don't take criticism personally (not that I'm a champion in the slightest!) I just report and recommend my favorites to you guys and try and help. But, am I a "White Knight"? Probably, but because of my age I tend to get excited about these women because they have and some still continue to provide a great experience, usually free of drugs and drama and in a great setting for a fair price. Tired of my reviews and posts? That's okay because I'm resigning from the debating society and heading off the way of my heroes and mentors like Bonerific, Erickson73 and RoadWarrior2 K who helped me tremendously years ago when I was a babe in the woods and world of mongering and to whom I'm eternally grateful! I will just continue to see my favorites from time to time and as long as my health allows and junior still works and leave all the reviews and reporting to you younger guys. So, farewell, adieu and adios! You won't have Willie24 to kick around anymore! But, here's some pictures of my "old hags"! Too bad if you never had a chance to see any of them, they were and all the best over the last decade. Cheers Willie.
Theoretical versus reality
[QUOTE=VincentGambini;6723346]Yes, of course LE wants to "attempt to gather evidence of intent" prior to making an arrest. That would obviously be true for any investigation for any crime, hobby related or otherwise. One must keep in mind though that what constitutes "evidence" will be different in every single case. People routinely believe every DUI will have video recordings and breath test results. That is absolutely not true. While I've never done a thorough review of that issue, I'd guess less than 50% (probably closer to 30%) of cases have both of those. Same goes for hobby related arrests, some will have incriminating text messages, some will not. I am personally aware of a case where an individual replied to an ad on STG, he texted the "provider" to inquire as to where she was located, an address, a time to meet and to let her know he had arrived at the location. He NEVER mentioned money, fees, costs, sex, nothing that would be considered incriminating. He went into the room and, again, mentioned nothing about sex or money. He was arrested and prosecuted. He received a plea to an amended charge, probation and fines. Rather than face the uncertainty of a trial, not to mention costs, possible incarceration and any public embarrassment, he accepted the offer and moved on. Additionally, LE is protected by qualified immunity, meaning that, so long as they reasonably acted within the scope of their official capacity, they cannot be sued. In the real life example I just detailed, had that person decided to sue (entering a plea aside) LE likely would be found to have acted reasonably within the scope of his official capacity and, in turn, been protected from a lawsuit. While my guess is he would have been found not guilty at a criminal trial, at the civil trial for the lawsuit against LE, the facts of posting the ad, the person replying to the ad and then meeting the "provider" at the hotel would almost certainly be sufficient for LE to prevail. With the lower burden of proof for a civil trial versus a criminal trial, the arrested individual likely loses the civil trial despite winning the criminal trial.
As to your comment of not being "unique in that a settlement for (your) wrongful arrest & legal fees" wouldn't prevent you from pursuing all legal remedies, the individual I detailed above was married, had high school age children and a fairly white collar occupation with a nice income. My belief is that those factors played into his decision to accept the plea offer to the lesser charge.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6723639]Qualified Immunity protects the individual officers from being sued personally not the department for wrongful arrest. So again. Your friend did nothing illegal & allowed himself to be bullied into pleading guilty to a crime that he didn't commit. Cops can arrest you illegally for anything in any circumstance since they are doing it illegally, following the law is no protection from an illegal arrest (hence what makes it illegal.) I actually once was arrested for drunk driving after refusing to do the field sobriety test & requesting a breathalyzer. As I was over 5 years sober at the time it was a test that I knew I would pass. The cop trying to be cute refused to do it and instead arrested me to take down to the station for a blood test which of course came back 0. 00%. He left so mad after I had been making fun of him for being dumb and even the other cops were chuckling at arresting a guy with a 5 year sober medallion in his pocket for drunk driving (then one of them gave me a ride back to my car.) So your premise that cops can just arrest you cause they want to like that cop did when he was staked outside the strip club looking to arrest drunk drivers but since I wasn't drunk driving then the charges were dropped and the cop was definitely going to be mocked for quite a while among his cop peers for that one.[/QUOTE]It's unclear to me what point it was you intended to convey. In my post above (which you partially deleted) I stated that a civil lawsuit stemming from the detailed arrest would likely be unsuccessful and I stated that would be due to qualified immunity and the difference in the level of proof necessary to prevail. As to such a trial, I indicated the evidence would include the ad that had been posted, the person replying to that ad, continued communications and, ultimately, meeting the "provider" at the hotel. While such evidence may well be insufficient for a conviction at a criminal trial, I strongly suspect the outcome would be much different in a civil trial, the OJ Simpson case comes to mind. While you provided some detail as to a possible DUI arrest sometime ago, it's unclear if you were actually arrested, what with the comment of another officer taking you back to your car. Additionally, you did not offer any detail as to whether you initiated a civil lawsuit after your interaction with law enforcement.
Going back to my first post in this conversation, I stated that you were "mostly correct" in your comment of "don't do anything illegal" so as to avoid being arrested. You further stated that "escorting is totally legal" and "any business discussion" could be had "after you both have gotten naked / exposed" if that was what you were "so inclined" to do. If we're being honest, that's likely the exact intent for damn near every interaction described by every anonymous poster on this board, myself included. Of course we're looking to avoid arrest, of course we want to take steps to ensure that outcome, but, that act is precisely what we are "so inclined" to do. Hence the inability to prevail in a civil lawsuit. I'm personally unaware of any lawsuit for a false arrest with the facts we've been discussing; an ad on a site known for such transactions, a person replying to that ad, there being an ongoing discussion to set up a meeting, ultimately meeting the "provider" and being arrested, though without discussion as to sex and money. My guess is you would be hardpressed to find such a lawsuit, even harder to find one where the plaintiff prevailed.
The ongoing education of the monger, aka Law and Order for the real world!
[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6726954]That your premise of Lawful activity being used as evidence for Unlawful activity is actionable in Court regardless of it being a Criminal or Civil Court is a false premise.[/QUOTE]That is incorrect. "Lawful activity" is used all the time as "evidence for Unlawful activity" in court and, in turn, does not, in and of itself, become "actionable in Court" as the basis for some lawsuit. Using the ongoing example of a DUI, it is legal to go to an establishment where the primary business is the sale of alcoholic beverages, it is legal to consume alcohol and it is even legal to consume alcohol and drive a car. As a note, it only becomes illegal to drive a car if the consumption of alcohol has caused the person to become impaired or blow over the legal limit. That said, each and every one of those "lawful" activities will be used as evidence against the accused in a trial for DUI, they went to a bar, they bought alcohol, they consumed that alcohol, they then left the bar, got in their car and drove away. All legal actions, all will be detailed in court.
[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6726954]Secondly, that in any sting operation the cops by definition of it being a sting are going to try to coax Intent to commit illegal activity from you so that they have actual evidence of a crime. Escorting is legal activity & since we are Innocent Until Proven Guilty then there is no Intent to commit a crime by engaging in Lawful Behavior. Everything that you listed is Lawful activity, which is why the cops would be incentivized to try to get you to agree to illegal activity so there would be grounds to effect your arrest upon arrival. If the provider that you are texting starts getting specific about activities for money then that's when you stop responding & don't go there. She would have no incentive to engage in illegal activity with an unknown person anymore than you are incentivized to engage in illegal activity with an unknown person.[/QUOTE]Also incorrect, or at least hugely misleading. While being an "escort" is lawful, as stated in my previous post, assuming we're all being honest here, we're not actually perusing those ads, contacting the numbers in those ads and setting up dates and times to meet because we want to be with an "escort" for a half hour or an hour. And again, reading the ads on STG or LC or wherever else, is completely lawful. So too is contacting the person at the other end of the phone number, even legal to set up a "date" with that person. The activity only becomes illegal upon the discussion (or actual action) of exchanging money for sex. But, just like in the trial for the DUI charge, all those "lawful" activities will be detailed in court. While I would agree (just as I did in the very first post) that you should "stop responding & don't go there" if the texting "starts getting specific about activities for money" that does not make the rest of your statement accurate.
[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6726954]I was most definitely placed under arrest since I make sure to ask as soon as the handcuffs come out whether I'm under arrest or just being detained. Since He said I was under arrest then I was able to force him to subject me to the Blood Test since he was refusing to do a breathalyzer that I requested on me. My goal there was to remove any Subjective opinion from him by refusing to dance like a monkey doing his field sobriety tests & forcing an Objective fact from a Breath / Blood Test in this regard.[/QUOTE]Incorrect here too. You cannot "force" LE to do a blood test in a DUI, blood draws do occasionally happen in a DUI, but it is rather rare and, again, cannot be "forced" by the defendant. While a commonly held belief, this is simply not true. After being arrested for DUI, nearly every defendant will be requested to submit to a breath test, breath will nearly always come before urine or blood. As to urine, this will typically be requested if the person blows below 0. 08 or where LE believes the impairment is from drugs, rather than alcohol. As to blood, this will typically be requested where there is serious bodily injury or death or where the defendant is taken to a hospital for some reason, perhaps a car crash. By law, LE otherwise would only do blood where breath is impossible or impractical, not simply because it was requested by the defendant. Keep in mind, nearly every LE agency will have an intoxilyzer at their precinct, a machine that is operated and maintained by LE. Meaning, relatively quick, simple and easy to use and, should the case go to court, easy to get all relevant witnesses to court to testify. Conversely, blood would involve medical personnel and be sent to someone for testing. Not only does the mere collection and testing take more time and effort than breath, but courtroom testimony is logistically more difficult as well as the prosecution will need to bring all those individuals to court. In short, breath is much easier for LE, and the prosecution, than blood. In turn, the court system hugely gives LE the ability to determine whether to request breath, urine or blood.
As to the part about "refusing to do a breathalyzer" that you had requested, I admittedly have to speculate a bit as I was not there for your arrest and you did not provide a great deal of detail as to what occurred. Regardless, from what you've stated thus far, my guess is you were arrested and a breath test was requested by LE. After that, something occurred that led to LE considering it to be a refusal, regardless of whether you, in fact, believed you had refused. This is a fairly common occurrence, perhaps the defendant will get into a debate with LE, maybe LE requests breath three or four times and never gets an actual "yes" or "no" to the request, or maybe the person blows into the instrument insufficiently and the instrument indicates "VNM" for "volume not met" or "NSP" for "no sample provided" both likely leading to a situation where LE considers it a refusal to submit to the breath test.
[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6726954]Just because you are "arrested" doesn't mean that you are processed and charged. Moving from being Detained to being Arrested is just one step on that process, a serious step but not the end of the steps necessary for you to be formally charged with a crime by the State. Hence why I made sure to do a lot of mocking towards him in my statements since they would all be necessity become part of the Court proceedings as under Miranda Rights then "anything you say can and will be used against you in court. "[/QUOTE]Another commonly held misconception is that the Miranda warnings are read at every arrest. Not true, Miranda is probably read in about a fourth of the arrests that take place. As to DUI, Miranda is almost never read. Well, at least not in a standard DUI arrest. By "standard" DUI, I mean one that does not involve a crash, serious bodily injury or death. Additionally, the Miranda warnings would likely not be a part of the analysis for whether the statements you reference would be admissible in court. The "mocking" statements you made would be considered voluntary, thereby making Miranda irrelevant. The issues here would be whether the statements would be relevant to any crimes charged and, if so, whether the probative value of those statements would outweigh the prejudicial effect. In my opinion, they would be considered admissible in court as they might be considered probative as to whether you were, in fact, impaired while driving your vehicle. Again though, Miranda would be irrelevant in that context.
[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6726954]Obviously I didn't file any civil lawsuit against illegal arrest since I was never charged or processed. I was annoyed for an hour & repaired that annoyance by making fun of the cop during that time period with the certain knowledge that he was going to get hazed about it by his colleagues for a while. My point being that even if an overzealous cop in the field makes a mistake by doing an illegal arrest, if the arrest is illegal than back at the station it will be prevented from actually becoming an actionable civil case by completing the process of charging & processing (there's no "Reputational Damage" since it is never a matter of Public Record since no charges were filed & punitive damages is where you make the real money in a civil case.).[/QUOTE]Whether you file a civil lawsuit is, of course, entirely up to you. However, whether you were "charged or processed" would not be dispositive on the filing of such a suit. Based on your statements, you were subject to a traffic stop, you went through a criminal investigation, you were arrested and taken to a LE precinct. Clearly you were inconvenienced, at a minimum, you had time taken from you and, arguably, you were "injured" in some form or fashion. In theory, that's the basis of a civil lawsuit. While I have no idea whether you would prevail, or what recovery you might obtain, certainly you had a legitimate claim to pursue.
I will again suggest a ride in the "way, way back machine" so as to address the original issue, that being the comment of it being "really easy" to avoid arrest by merely not doing "anything illegal" while hobbying. As I've stated previously, it isn't quite that simple. First, and again assuming honesty, there is an expectation of an activity occurring at some point that would be considered illegal. Second, even when no actual illegal activity occurs, an arrest may take place and, in that situation, the arrested person will need to decide how vigorously he (or she) wants to pursue legal remedies available through the court system, especially where (as detailed previously) LE's actions were reasonable in light of the factual allegations, even when no actual "unlawful activity" took place. Taking your statement of "don't do anything illegal" as completely literal, then sure, that should permit you to avoid an arrest. But, the mere fact that you (along with the rest of us, myself included) are on this site posting reviews that include details that go well beyond the scope of "escort" type services (recent reviews of Mercedes and Stacy come to mind) would indicate that your statement was not, in fact, meant to be taken entirely literally.
A reflection on the cost of a hobby
[QUOTE=OneWayOut;6766140]We the Mongers of this all wonderful lifestyle are found guilty on the Top Charge of "Price Gouging" We and we alone have allowed these fees to climb out of control from reasonable numbers. Have we forgotten that The Monger does indeed hold the chips in our game. Sure our defense is "Power of Pussy" but that my friends is just lame. But she provides a great date at $400 an hour or hey this one is 350 hr and sexy. Example I had seen Avalon easily 8 plus times over the years at 250 hr and when she went to 300 I saw her less often on principle alone but when she reached 400 (know this = incredible date always) however I immediately pulled her off the roller decks. HELL to the F NO. No knock on any of these woman personally but when they reach for "MORE" the lower tier provider also thinks they can get THEIRS. So here we are as experienced Mongers also trying to help along the rookie but we are paving a terrible road for their journey. Co signing and worse promoting insane prices. My lawyer is worth 400 an hour because he either saves my freedom or makes my money grow. Having the pleasure of taking UTR Charli on this journey for couple of years, she was 160/240 and towards the end of her tour, she asked me if I thought she could get 200/300. My reply was simple to her = Your disrespecting the Monger. So why are we so freely giving our approval on the crazy and greed driven numbers out here today. I've seen a great number of Top Talent in Florida and honestly I've tipped accordingly. I've also seen most of Brevard so called Best Of. Know this a lot of these type women we could pickup in Publix (I have). In closing, I'm not trying to save money got plenty of that. More concerned with proper balance in our lifestyle for the Next Monger in Line. Respectfully OW.[/QUOTE]I agree with you OWO that the current rates exceeding 300 seems ridiculous but who am I to tell anyone what to charge or what to donate. I'm of the opinion that a provider can ask whatever they want and a monger can donate whatever they want. We should all know by now that more $$$ doesn't guarantee a better experience and thus the importance of this forum and the information that we report as members. Our reports with these providers are essentially what helps to establish their reputation in the hobby as well as establish our reputations as trusted senior members whose advice helps us to make smart decisions with our time and money. I enjoy communicating with many of the members on this forum such as you OWO and the likes of SitbacRelax, JayJayTwo, BigStud47, Willie24, as well as many other members and always make it a point to look at a members past reports to better understand where they are coming from as far as what they want in this hobby and if it coincides with what I am looking for. I consider it my responsibility to understand why some members can rave about a provider and highly recommend them while others think they are not worth it. Some of us likes blondes or redheads, spinners or full figured, incall or outcall, being on time vs no concept of time, BBJ vs CBJ, Greek, GFE, PSE, these are all things that factor into ones reviews and therefore shape their opinion of what the providers worth is to them. Ultimately what may work for some mongers might not work for others but to each his own as well as I'm sure that what may work for one provider probably doesn't work for another so advertise what you want.
As for you OneWay you will always have legendary status with me because of the Charli affect! That woman was top notch and the fact that you helped her establish herself in the hobby speaks very highly to you.
