Kison

[QUOTE=PainKiller;2054462]I hate this being my first post but hell got to break the ice sometime right? Had to give my 2 cents about this post though.

I think your mistake was wanting to shower with her. We all know Kison is self shower. Mama Chanel prob knew you wasn't a regular and the shower thing just.

Took it to another level. I've been with Paula before and even first time she just about through me on the bed and got right to work DFK and the BBBJCIM after that.

She got on the on all fours and invited me in for BBFSCIP. Left with very weak legs.

Whats up fellas and thank you for all the great info. I'm hoping to help out someone the same way someday.[/QUOTE]Sorry but although most experiences are often simular it's still a pretty private experience. I've been in the shower and have had girls jump in with me. So showering with the girls does and has happen at Kison. So the statement "we all know it doesn't happen at kison" doesn't always apply.

I've had bad (or sub par) service from Paula. (simular to his report) I didn't post that because having thought about it. I felt, It wouldn't be any help anyone. But in my case, YMMV with Paula, and I'm not a fan.

Lastly, you would really be surprised at what sometimes does or has happened at kison in the past. After all, mama Chanel used to be a provider. Pau.

[QUOTE=PauHanaParty;2055090]Sorry but although most experiences are often simular it's still a pretty private experience. I've been in the shower and have had girls jump in with me. So showering with the girls does and has happen at Kison. So the statement "we all know it doesn't happen at kison" doesn't always apply.

I've had bad (or sub par) service from Paula. (simular to his report) I didn't post that because having thought about it. I felt, It wouldn't be any help anyone. But in my case, YMMV with Paula, and I'm not a fan.

Lastly, you would really be surprised at what sometimes does or has happened at kison in the past. After all, mama Chanel used to be a provider. Pau.[/QUOTE]Bottom line is that it's a YMMV hobby, always has been and always will. Can't imagine Chanel pulling a be&s.

[QUOTE=KoaBear8;2054779]And there were inconsistent reports about Kison in general even without getting specific with Paula. Especially with so many members writing tons of positive posts whenever anything negative is mentioned about the establishment. Even new accounts coming out of the woodworks. I don't remember seeing this type of activity on any of the other subforums... Always a red flag for me.[/QUOTE]Props to you bro for sticking to your convictions. This forum is to share OUR personal experiences. With any provider it's always YMMV and what one monger gets, the other may not. Either way we should take your post into consideration. Who knows, maybe it was a one time thing, a start of a trend or she was upset because she ran out of gochujang haha. Thank you for taking the time to share.

[QUOTE=Dvd888;2050796]Haven't been to my fav place for awhile so stopped by today. Only Chanel doing Mamasan today and she insisted I see new girl who had arrived last night. Younger Korean named Connie, tall, slim but curvy, enhanced see's, long legs, smooth white skin and a beautiful face with a nice smile. Pleasant demeanor put me at ease.

English isn't her first language so commo was a little slow but after a shower she gave me a nice slow massage all over, and when I turned over she didn't have anything on anymore. Noticed that she has a nice thick bush, which I prefer. Got a nice long, slow BBBJ till I had to stop her, then short 69 as I was close again. Then RCG, CG (which she seems to like a lot), MISH, standing MISH (tables are the right height for me, not like some other places). She is nice and tight and I'm only average. LOL. BBFSCOP and I was exhausted. No DFK but a little LFK which was OK with me.

I took another shower and she gave me another short massage till the hour was up. I liked her looks so L /8.5 A /10 S /9. Std fee / tip and looking forward to next time soon.

Chanel still offering lots of options.[/QUOTE]Went to have a session with Connie. Just as reported. Massage skill is above average. GFE.

Current line up: Sugar, Yuko, Mimi, Connie, Kelly, April and Sarah. Mama told me Jackie will be back tomorrow.

[QUOTE=AlikaT9;2053954]Does anyone have a description of Kelli for her looks and service? This is the only review I've seen of her in recent time.[/QUOTE]L7/ A8/ S8. I would describe Kelly as a kmilf / hot soccer mom type. Late 30's, 5'2", 110-120 ish. Natural bod (no enhancements), a little cushion here and there but not too much. Service is more GFE than PSE. Oral skills are just OK. More licking than sucking, but seems receptive to daty. Covered FS with good effort in cg and mish. Haven't sampled the massage skills, just opted to cuddle and talk story after the deed. Good attitude and would repeat.

Went and got reaquainted with Angie today. Been a while since we spent time together. I had forgotten how her eyes sparkle, even in the low light of the rooms there. Always loved the way her lips looked too, nice and juicy. She's a real pleaser, as well as being a pretty little gal. I didn't last long, and she filled out the hour with a relaxing massage and nice small talk. A wicked sense of Hi our too. Then she started to see if I had round 2 in me, but not today. Took a 2nd shower and said bye. Looked at the time and I was in there an hour and a half. Kison is still service central. As always YMMV. (got to through in he disclaimer nowadays).

[QUOTE=KoaBear8;2054779]Which brings me to my next issue. Some of you suggest that it may have been a bait and switch since it was my first time there. That seems to be a valid point and that very well may have been the case. All I have to say to this is.. Well, if that is how they choose to run their business then I am never ever going back to Kison again. And not only will I avoid that place like the plague, I will actively make sure that any and every male I know, who frequents AMPs, will never ever step foot in that dishonest and shady AMP, Kison, again. It is one thing to have a random bad experience but to do a bait-and-switch in a place like that, that really irks me to no end. Oh well, never again for me and I will spread the word.[/QUOTE]There is surely a vast inequity between the amount of business their 2 or 3 uber popular girls get, and the rest of the low-demand ones. As someone posted, ms tries to rotate the girls on non-appointments so they all get a chance.

I once waited for an uber popular one to finish her customer (those are Always busy), only to be stuck with a 4th String substitute. I know how you feel.

BTW, like many of you I have been going there for years and have never once showered with any girl nor has any of them ever come through the folding door with me even to take a crap. Yup, YMMV!

[QUOTE=HMobius;2056598]
BTW, like many of you I have been going there for years and have never once showered with any girl nor has any of them ever come through the folding door with me even to take a crap. Yup, YMMV![/QUOTE]I had a few who mentioned about showering together but, I didn't want to bother. The shower is to small and I didn't care. One time I took a crap and someone stepped in and I said that someone is in the bathroom but, she used the shower. Damn, felt embarrassed. LOL. I once saw Sugar douching above the toilet when I came out of the shower. She didn't know I saw her though. I should have asked if she needed any help. LOL.

[QUOTE=Dvd888;2050796]Haven't been to my fav place for awhile so stopped by today. Only Chanel doing Mamasan today and she insisted I see new girl who had arrived last night. Younger Korean named Connie, tall, slim but curvy, enhanced see's, long legs, smooth white skin and a beautiful face with a nice smile. Pleasant demeanor put me at ease.

English isn't her first language so commo was a little slow but after a shower she gave me a nice slow massage all over, and when I turned over she didn't have anything on anymore. Noticed that she has a nice thick bush, which I prefer. Got a nice long, slow BBBJ till I had to stop her, then short 69 as I was close again. Then RCG, CG (which she seems to like a lot), MISH, standing MISH (tables are the right height for me, not like some other places). She is nice and tight and I'm only average. LOL. BBFSCOP and I was exhausted. No DFK but a little LFK which was OK with me.

I took another shower and she gave me another short massage till the hour was up. I liked her looks so L /8.5 A /10 S /9. Std fee / tip and looking forward to next time soon.

Chanel still offering lots of options.[/QUOTE]Based on this report, I thought I'd give Connie a try. It was quite a different experience for me. Connie appeared to me to look mid to late 40's, possibly even early 50's. She is about 5 foot 7, not slim, but not fat either, big Bush, face is about a 5 (average MILF). Attitude OK, but would not say she was particularly pleasant.

Started out with sex first because I prefer getting massaged after the act. She started by using anti bacterial wipes on all my hands and groin area. Long CBJ to start, had to ask her to take the condom off after a few minutes. She motioned me to whisper, like it was forbidden to talk about a BBBJ (She cleaned off my dick again and took the cover off and started sucking with some mouthwash to give me a tingly feeling, but also to disinfect my dick (She is a total OCD clean freak for someone who allows BBFS). Not a bad BBBJ, but lacking a bit on suction. Too soft.

She did not allow and DATY. She also kept complaining that my dick was too big (I think I'm just average sized for the record). Started in BBCG and then she kept switching positions about every two minutes. She does not have any stamina and though her pussy is tight and does feel pleasurable to fuck, she complains alot about the size hurting her and you can't really pound her or even go that deep. At least she does like getting off as she kept fingering her clit while we were fucking so that she could get off. From CG, we went to RCG, doggy, then mish.

After a few minutes of this she couldn't take it anymore and asked if she could give me a BJ to finish me off. She asked if I'd be willing to wear a condom again for the BJ, but I told her I would shoot outside, so she said OK. She did a nice standing BBBJ with her ass in front of my face. Again, she would not allow any DATY and when I tried to finger her, she stopped, took another condom out and wrapped it around three of my fingers. First time I was ever asked to put a prophylactic on my fingers.

Anyway, was finally able to cum, of course she didn't like it that a little cum got in her mouth. She cleaned me up with a towel and then began the massage. Actually her massage is pretty good. Just the right amount of pressure to feel good without hurting any muscles. The whole session actually lasted around 70 minutes, so that was positive. However when I was leaving, I gave her the standard 140 tip and she looked really disappointed. She complained, "how about 150?" Told her that was all I had and she said OK.

Very mixed feelings about this. L - 5, or 6 if you like fucking grannies. A - 5. S. Sex was a 6 because of BBFS otherwise 4 if covered, Massage - 8. E 60/140 are. Fuck NO!

Is Sarah the same as Amy who as at Kison about 6 months ago?

[QUOTE=Jumbo747;2055558]Went to have a session with Connie. Just as reported. Massage skill is above average. GFE.

Current line up: Sugar, Yuko, Mimi, Connie, Kelly, April and Sarah. Mama told me Jackie will be back tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvBigRax;2056868]Is Sarah the same as Amy who as at Kison about 6 months ago?[/QUOTE]Is Yuko Yoko? Is Gold / Million still there?

[QUOTE=Enona1;2056973]Is Yuko Yoko? Is Gold / Million still there?[/QUOTE]
AFAIK Yoko is still there. Last weekend I called to see Million/Gold and Chanel told me she went MIA the night before and didn't know why or if she'd be back.

[QUOTE=UkiEater;2056603]I had a few who mentioned about showering together but, I didn't want to bother. The shower is to small and I didn't care. One time I took a crap and someone stepped in and I said that someone is in the bathroom but, she used the shower. Damn, felt embarrassed. LOL. I once saw Sugar douching above the toilet when I came out of the shower. She didn't know I saw her though. I should have asked if she needed any help. LOL.[/QUOTE]I try to go AMPing only when I'm in primo condition (eg. not gassy or anything). I once had to crap at CC and the blasts were so loud the girl could hear. Later when I made my way back to the room, I could hear her snapping at the ms; I kinda figured she didn't want to service me. Sure enough the mama came in and made an excuse for her. Small-kine embarrassing. The good thing though was mama turned out to be an expert at riding CG with terrific muscle control and gave me an awesome orgasm.

BTW although they posted a caution sign outside the shower, please be careful; in my haste I almost ate it sideways out of the shower and would have gone through the drywall, LOL. Don't think Chanel would have been laughing though.

[QUOTE=HentaiMan;2056631]Based on this report, I thought I'd give Connie a try. It was quite a different experience for me. Connie appeared to me to look mid to late 40's, possibly even early 50's. She is about 5 foot 7, not slim, but not fat either, big Bush, face is about a 5 (average MILF). Attitude OK, but would not say she was particularly pleasant.

Started out with sex first because I prefer getting massaged after the act. She started by using anti bacterial wipes on all my hands and groin area. Long CBJ to start, had to ask her to take the condom off after a few minutes. She motioned me to whisper, like it was forbidden to talk about a BBBJ (She cleaned off my dick again and took the cover off and started sucking with some mouthwash to give me a tingly feeling, but also to disinfect my dick (She is a total OCD clean freak for someone who allows BBFS). Not a bad BBBJ, but lacking a bit on suction. Too soft.

She did not allow and DATY. She also kept complaining that my dick was too big (I think I'm just average sized for the record). Started in BBCG and then she kept switching positions about every two minutes. She does not have any stamina and though her pussy is tight and does feel pleasurable to fuck, she complains alot about the size hurting her and you can't really pound her or even go that deep. At least she does like getting off as she kept fingering her clit while we were fucking so that she could get off. From CG, we went to RCG, doggy, then mish.

After a few minutes of this she couldn't take it anymore and asked if she could give me a BJ to finish me off. She asked if I'd be willing to wear a condom again for the BJ, but I told her I would shoot outside, so she said OK. She did a nice standing BBBJ with her ass in front of my face. Again, she would not allow any DATY and when I tried to finger her, she stopped, took another condom out and wrapped it around three of my fingers. First time I was ever asked to put a prophylactic on my fingers.

Anyway, was finally able to cum, of course she didn't like it that a little cum got in her mouth. She cleaned me up with a towel and then began the massage. Actually her massage is pretty good. Just the right amount of pressure to feel good without hurting any muscles. The whole session actually lasted around 70 minutes, so that was positive. However when I was leaving, I gave her the standard 140 tip and she looked really disappointed. She complained, "how about 150?" Told her that was all I had and she said OK.

Very mixed feelings about this. L - 5, or 6 if you like fucking grannies. A - 5. S. Sex was a 6 because of BBFS otherwise 4 if covered, Massage - 8. E 60/140 are. Fuck NO![/QUOTE]Thank you Brother, you just saved me 200. Was wondering about it being TGTBT; a young, pretty girl at Kison. Princess was young and cute but I had a bad session.

Yes I've had the wipes on my hands too, during the massage (and after bathing there).

To my disappointment, Jackie was still not there, or so I was told.

Went to Kison late in the afternoon around dinner time. 2 rooms BZ as I was chatting with Mama Chanel on how slow Kison has been, I told her tax time is a week away. Ding dong the bell rings so off the the bathroom as a fellow monger went to one of the rooms. Chatted more with Chanel the. Ding dong, back to the bathroom. Damn, one room left, off to the girls room and waited for Sarah to enter. What a pleasant surprise, very, very, very good English with a East Coast accent. Not a spinner nor a plump lady but just right, natural A-be and an ass to die for with nice strong legs, also a nice shapely body. She wore a skin tight black dress that was open on one side. I jokingly said, you want me to buy you drinkie. She giggled as we got acquainted, easy to talk to and have a conversation with. Finally she gets close and gives me a nice welcoming hug then removed all her clothing as we slowly fell on the bed. I took the lead and worked my way from her neck to the why stopping at her sensitive nipples. I was at the why for less than 10 minutes but she came at least 4 times. She pulled at my head so I worked my way up to insert jr to her soaking wet pussy. We both was in heaven but she stopped me short of an O and dove down between my legs for a mind blowing BJ, kinda GFE, kinda PSE but it felt really great. I tapped her shoulder then she spun around so we could enjoy eachother in the 69 position. Nice CG then DS then back to BJ till I blew on her chest. Quick rinse off then a very nice massage. I asked her how does she know how to massage so well and she replied, I get a lot of massages. After my massage I gave her a full yoga massage and she was in heaven too. To describe her looks, she has high cheeks and a permanent smile so I asked why Sarah and not Peaches, Paula gave me that name before she left for vacation. Peaches is a very classy lady. Defiantly a repeater for me. 8/10/9.5. Mahalo Peaches

[QUOTE=HentaiMan;2056631]Based on this report, I thought I'd give Connie a try. It was quite a different experience for me. Connie appeared to me to look mid to late 40's, possibly even early 50's. She is about 5 foot 7, not slim, but not fat either, big Bush, face is about a 5 (average MILF). Attitude OK, but would not say she was particularly pleasant.

Started out with sex first because I prefer getting massaged after the act. She started by using anti bacterial wipes on all my hands and groin area. Long CBJ to start, had to ask her to take the condom off after a few minutes. She motioned me to whisper, like it was forbidden to talk about a BBBJ (She cleaned off my dick again and took the cover off and started sucking with some mouthwash to give me a tingly feeling, but also to disinfect my dick (She is a total OCD clean freak for someone who allows BBFS). Not a bad BBBJ, but lacking a bit on suction. Too soft.

She did not allow and DATY. She also kept complaining that my dick was too big (I think I'm just average sized for the record). Started in BBCG and then she kept switching positions about every two minutes. She does not have any stamina and though her pussy is tight and does feel pleasurable to fuck, she complains alot about the size hurting her and you can't really pound her or even go that deep. At least she does like getting off as she kept fingering her clit while we were fucking so that she could get off. From CG, we went to RCG, doggy, then mish.

After a few minutes of this she couldn't take it anymore and asked if she could give me a BJ to finish me off. She asked if I'd be willing to wear a condom again for the BJ, but I told her I would shoot outside, so she said OK. She did a nice standing BBBJ with her ass in front of my face. Again, she would not allow any DATY and when I tried to finger her, she stopped, took another condom out and wrapped it around three of my fingers. First time I was ever asked to put a prophylactic on my fingers.

Anyway, was finally able to cum, of course she didn't like it that a little cum got in her mouth. She cleaned me up with a towel and then began the massage. Actually her massage is pretty good. Just the right amount of pressure to feel good without hurting any muscles. The whole session actually lasted around 70 minutes, so that was positive. However when I was leaving, I gave her the standard 140 tip and she looked really disappointed. She complained, "how about 150?" Told her that was all I had and she said OK.

Very mixed feelings about this. L - 5, or 6 if you like fucking grannies. A - 5. S. Sex was a 6 because of BBFS otherwise 4 if covered, Massage - 8. E 60/140 are. Fuck NO![/QUOTE]Could this be the Mina at CHM that I've heard moved to Kison? Description sounds the same as what I thought and, the complaint about you too big is more than familiar. Been laying low since my last two disappointing experiences. Just for the record, only one of them were here. A popular provider that I'm assuming, I caught on a bad day.

[QUOTE=Honolulu808;2057611]Went to Kison late in the afternoon around dinner time. 2 rooms BZ as I was chatting with Mama Chanel on how slow Kison has been, I told her tax time is a week away. Ding dong the bell rings so off the the bathroom as a fellow monger went to one of the rooms. Chatted more with Chanel the. Ding dong, back to the bathroom. Damn, one room left, off to the girls room and waited for Sarah to enter. What a pleasant surprise, very, very, very good English with a East Coast accent. Not a spinner nor a plump lady but just right, natural A-be and an ass to die for with nice strong legs, also a nice shapely body. She wore a skin tight black dress that was open on one side. I jokingly said, you want me to buy you drinkie. She giggled as we got acquainted, easy to talk to and have a conversation with. Finally she gets close and gives me a nice welcoming hug then removed all her clothing as we slowly fell on the bed. I took the lead and worked my way from her neck to the why stopping at her sensitive nipples. I was at the why for less than 10 minutes but she came at least 4 times. She pulled at my head so I worked my way up to insert jr to her soaking wet pussy. We both was in heaven but she stopped me short of an O and dove down between my legs for a mind blowing BJ, kinda GFE, kinda PSE but it felt really great. I tapped her shoulder then she spun around so we could enjoy eachother in the 69 position. Nice CG then DS then back to BJ till I blew on her chest. Quick rinse off then a very nice massage. I asked her how does she know how to massage so well and she replied, I get a lot of massages. After my massage I gave her a full yoga massage and she was in heaven too. To describe her looks, she has high cheeks and a permanent smile so I asked why Sarah and not Peaches, Paula gave me that name before she left for vacation. Peaches is a very classy lady. Defiantly a repeater for me. 8/10/9.5. Mahalo Peaches[/QUOTE]Aloha H808! Thanks for the post. Just wanted to inquire if Sarah was Korean or some other race. Not that it matters but I was just curious. I guess when you said East Coast accent I was thinking, White girl? So I wAs just wondering.

[QUOTE=HypoLuxa;2057171]AFAIK Yoko is still there. Last weekend I called to see Million/Gold and Chanel told me she went MIA the night before and didn't know why or if she'd be back.[/QUOTE]Yoko is definitely still there. Had a mind blowing session with her yesterday which I'll post about later. Yoko is a jolly good dame as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE=PussMonger;2059639]Aloha H808! Thanks for the post. Just wanted to inquire if Sarah was Korean or some other race. Not that it matters but I was just curious. I guess when you said East Coast accent I was thinking, White girl? So I wAs just wondering.[/QUOTE]Korean born and more like a Ivy League style and grace.

Had a new girl named Cherry the other day. She arrived about two weeks ago and is new to the business. She ia a dirty blond Korean MILF in her 40's. Height 5'2" weight 125 lbs. Nice well proportioned body with nice natural large As. Face is ok but she has a turned up nose so you see a lot of nostril, maybe too much. Went straight to sex, no massage. Her BBBJ skills are non-existent so dined on her nicely trimmed pussy for a while and then straight to fucking. This one is super tight but let me fuck her in all positions for 50 minutes until I came in her bbfscip and never complained. Service was not rushed. Lots of dfk during the session and she came hard many times. I had a good time with her.

[QUOTE=Honolulu808;2057611]Went to Kison late in the afternoon around dinner time. 2 rooms BZ as I was chatting with Mama Chanel on how slow Kison has been, I told her tax time is a week away. [/QUOTE]Mama Chanel is one of the best. She has managed to get girls who know how to provide good service. Given the competition, I suspect her business slow down may be due to the following:

1) her girls tend to be old. Gilf is no joke. The other AMPs that specialize in girls in the 20's have an advantage if service is equal.

2) she doesn't have pictures on her ads. The trend is for AMPs to post pictures of their girls. That is working even for AMPs with girls who don't provide great service. You see a nice looking girl, you want her.

3) she doesn't provide a table shower. Lots of good places provide nice facilities now.

The AMPs that are doing the best are probably the ones that:

1) Post accurate pictures of their girls.

2) Make sure the girls are young and attractive, mostly in their 20's and some in their early 30's max.

3) Offer great service. Minimum BBBJ. Table Shower.

4) Have a constant flow of new girls.

This is why I think that Empire and Tokyo Spa are doing so well and why Top Spa is likely to become one of the best. Rose used to be like that, but new management totally messed it up and it is likely to go out of business.

Mayflower seems to have a decent flow of good looking girls. Maybe they believe in the VIP business model. Yoyo believes that if you get the good looking girls, the boys will come. So that is all she focuses on.

[QUOTE=AgapitoBS;2057638]Could this be the Mina at CHM that I've heard moved to Kison? Description sounds the same as what I thought and, the complaint about you too big is more than familiar. Been laying low since my last two disappointing experiences. Just for the record, only one of them were here. A popular provider that I'm assuming, I caught on a bad day.[/QUOTE]Agapito, you are right, Connie used to be Mina at CHM. Was there the other day and they were busy, ended up in the girls room. Since everybody was busy Chanel didn't have much of a lineup. Looked at Mimi who is now going by Candy, and two others. Chose Connie as I remember her from CHM. Still think she looks good even if she's in her 40's.

After finally getting to shower, Connie gives me a good massage for about 30 minutes, then slow BBBJ, 69, RCG, CG, DG, standing MISH and finish BBFSCOP in flat DG. She can't take someone too thick, but I was able to go quite deep without too much discomfort for her, and no hand cleaner and alcohol wipe downs this time. LOL. I must be under average size. Hehe. I remembered later that she had some poor reports in the past but I guess YMMV because I have always got GFE from her. Maybe because she doesn't understand or speak English very well that she has trouble as I noticed that her performances vary more than the others there, but I got the full hour and my money's worth this time. I guess helps to speak a little Korean too. Hehe.

Chanel was complaining about business being slow, but looks like she has couple new girls and Jackie supposed to return too so no wonder they are busy every time I go there.

Went for an afternoon session and asked for the new girls. Old mama showed me 3 girls, Sarah, Connie (Bonnie from CHM), and? Saw the last two before so tried Sarah who by the way is very attractive. Starts off with LK, FIV then off to the bed. Sex was great, she is very tight. Lots of fake moaning, but it felt good anyway. Finished with a HJ.

L:9.

S:9.

A:9.

Standard damages.

Stay safe.

Two recent messages in this thread report that Chanel has been saying that business at Kison is "slow." I've been a Kison customer for years and it's been among my favorite places, but I think that the increased house fee of $60 may be a contributing factor to her perception that business is "slow." The massage / relaxation field is competitive, and there are choices for customers to make. I still go to Kison if there's a specific provider whom I want to enjoy. However, like many other mongers, I'm on a budget. So other factors being equal, I would likely choose a place with a normal $50 house fee over Kison with the increased $60 house fee. Yes, it's "only" $10, but over time it adds up. Even the extra $10 by itself could pay for my dinner. Plus, there's a psychological resistance to paying a total price (house fee and provider) of over $200. Now some guys report that they just lower the provider's payment by $10, and that's fine for them. Personally, however, I don't like to feel that I'm shortchanging providers with good attitudes who've given me excellent service. In my opinion, it's not the provider's fault that the house fee has been raised.

Of course, I realize that after a price has been raised, a business will often resist reducing the price back to normal. So perhaps an alternative solution would be to provide a Kison stamp card that enables repeat customers to eventually earn a session with no house fee. That could actually encourage customers to visit Kison more often, a win-win situation for all involved.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;2061336]Two recent messages in this thread report that Chanel has been saying that business at Kison is "slow." I've been a Kison customer for years and it's been among my favorite places, but I think that the increased house fee of $60 may be a contributing factor to her perception that business is "slow." The massage / relaxation field is competitive, and there are choices for customers to make. I still go to Kison if there's a specific provider whom I want to enjoy. However, like many other mongers, I'm on a budget. So other factors being equal, I would likely choose a place with a normal $50 house fee over Kison with the increased $60 house fee. Yes, it's "only" $10, but over time it adds up. Even the extra $10 by itself could pay for my dinner. Plus, there's a psychological resistance to paying a total price (house fee and provider) of over $200. Now some guys report that they just lower the provider's payment by $10, and that's fine for them. Personally, however, I don't like to feel that I'm shortchanging providers with good attitudes who've given me excellent service. In my opinion, it's not the provider's fault that the house fee has been raised.

Of course, I realize that after a price has been raised, a business will often resist reducing the price back to normal. So perhaps an alternative solution would be to provide a Kison stamp card that enables repeat customers to eventually earn a session with no house fee. That could actually encourage customers to visit Kison more often, a win-win situation for all involved.[/QUOTE]Amen! Especially after losing Happy how can Chanel raise house fees! I would think if she lowers it to $40 she'll make up the $10 loss from having more customers. On the other hand it helps having excellent talent avail.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;2061336]Two recent messages in this thread report that Chanel has been saying that business at Kison is "slow." I've been a Kison customer for years and it's been among my favorite places, but I think that the increased house fee of $60 may be a contributing factor to her perception that business is "slow." The massage / relaxation field is competitive, and there are choices for customers to make. I still go to Kison if there's a specific provider whom I want to enjoy. However, like many other mongers, I'm on a budget. So other factors being equal, I would likely choose a place with a normal $50 house fee over Kison with the increased $60 house fee. Yes, it's "only" $10, but over time it adds up. Even the extra $10 by itself could pay for my dinner. Plus, there's a psychological resistance to paying a total price (house fee and provider) of over $200. Now some guys report that they just lower the provider's payment by $10, and that's fine for them. Personally, however, I don't like to feel that I'm shortchanging providers with good attitudes who've given me excellent service. In my opinion, it's not the provider's fault that the house fee has been raised.

Of course, I realize that after a price has been raised, a business will often resist reducing the price back to normal. So perhaps an alternative solution would be to provide a Kison stamp card that enables repeat customers to eventually earn a session with no house fee. That could actually encourage customers to visit Kison more often, a win-win situation for all involved.[/QUOTE]OR, they could announce an anniversary special discount of $10, then "forget" to raise it back up. LOL but not totally dumb idea.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;2061336]Two recent messages in this thread report that Chanel has been saying that business at Kison is "slow." I've been a Kison customer for years and it's been among my favorite places, but I think that the increased house fee of $60 may be a contributing factor to her perception that business is "slow." The massage / relaxation field is competitive, and there are choices for customers to make. I still go to Kison if there's a specific provider whom I want to enjoy. However, like many other mongers, I'm on a budget. So other factors being equal, I would likely choose a place with a normal $50 house fee over Kison with the increased $60 house fee. Yes, it's "only" $10, but over time it adds up. Even the extra $10 by itself could pay for my dinner. Plus, there's a psychological resistance to paying a total price (house fee and provider) of over $200. Now some guys report that they just lower the provider's payment by $10, and that's fine for them. Personally, however, I don't like to feel that I'm shortchanging providers with good attitudes who've given me excellent service. In my opinion, it's not the provider's fault that the house fee has been raised.

Of course, I realize that after a price has been raised, a business will often resist reducing the price back to normal. So perhaps an alternative solution would be to provide a Kison stamp card that enables repeat customers to eventually earn a session with no house fee. That could actually encourage customers to visit Kison more often, a win-win situation for all involved.[/QUOTE]I agree with all your points. I won't beat a dead horse and won't name the place yet again, but I once finally (because back then I rotated among a number of places) filled a Frequent Flyer card only to be told they "lost it" when I tried to redeem it.

I too felt the psychological effect of paying over 200, but would still give 150 on a case by case basis when I felt is was warranted. For lesser impressions, I stuck with 140.

It seems she always claims it's "slow", even when all rooms are taken. On the other hand, I cannot think of a mama who rejoiced how great business was; they all cried how slow it was even when all the girls (or all rooms) were taken.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;2061336]Two recent messages in this thread report that Chanel has been saying that business at Kison is "slow." I've been a Kison customer for years and it's been among my favorite places, but I think that the increased house fee of $60 may be a contributing factor to her perception that business is "slow." The massage / relaxation field is competitive, and there are choices for customers to make. I still go to Kison if there's a specific provider whom I want to enjoy. However, like many other mongers, I'm on a budget. So other factors being equal, I would likely choose a place with a normal $50 house fee over Kison with the increased $60 house fee. Yes, it's "only" $10, but over time it adds up. Even the extra $10 by itself could pay for my dinner. Plus, there's a psychological resistance to paying a total price (house fee and provider) of over $200. Now some guys report that they just lower the provider's payment by $10, and that's fine for them. Personally, however, I don't like to feel that I'm shortchanging providers with good attitudes who've given me excellent service. In my opinion, it's not the provider's fault that the house fee has been raised.

Of course, I realize that after a price has been raised, a business will often resist reducing the price back to normal. So perhaps an alternative solution would be to provide a Kison stamp card that enables repeat customers to eventually earn a session with no house fee. That could actually encourage customers to visit Kison more often, a win-win situation for all involved.[/QUOTE]I felt this way when Roses raised their HF to 50 from 40. That extra 10 helps the next day for breakfast or lunch. The thing I notice about Kison these days is that they don't bother to bring in the younger providers or providers with slim / nice bodies like they use to. It's mainly focused on providers (mostly older ones) that offer bb extras. That's a bummer because all this does is draw in the customers that want alot on the menu. But, it won't bring the other customers who want the looks over service type providers. They'll look elsewhere. That's what happening with Kison now. In the past when cute face Lily showed up, Sugar and Naomi first showed up onto the scene, Kison was pretty damn busy during lunch time. A number of guys going up / down the steps. Other young ones would pop up from time to time like Princess, Bobby, Maya. The providers that don't do BBFS. These days, not so much. So, there's no anxious curiosity to rush down to Kison to check on someone. If you look at the beginning of the Kison thread, there were a number of different members posting. Now, not so much.

Finally Channel has a new winner at Kison. Sarah has a few favorable reports already and I would like to add another one. Sarah has the combination of good looks and good service too. The last 2 or three I have to admit were not that great in the looks department but their service was excellent. Sarah has both. She is not runway model type good looks but I find her very attractive. She is Korean from the East Coast New York New Jersey area and she speaks better English than me so conversation is easy with her. Shoulder length black hair, nice smoth white skin with no tattoos or piercings. Height about 5'4" and maybe 120 pounds weight. She has small natural A size tits but the rest of her is real fine. Really nice shapely legs and ass.

When she came in she politely introduced herself and we kissed and hugged for a short while until she went to her knees and gave me a mind blowing BBBJ. This went on for 5 minutes until I laid on the bed for more. She has a this technique with her tongue and mouth that is awesome. Not any teeth whatsoever and so good I didn't want her to stop. Ten minutes more and we went to 69 where she had her first O while sucking my cock. I turned her over and dived into her nicely trimmed pussy and dined until she came once more. By then she was super wet so I entered her bb with the caveat that I don't cum inside. Her pussy felt nice and tight and we enjoyed each other for the next 40 minutes or so. Service was GFE but she only allowed light kissing but went for the dfk a few times when she came maybe 4 or 5 times. Did the normal variations of mish and ds and when it was my turn to cum I slipped on the cover and she rode me cg until I exploded.

I really enjoyed my time with her. She is very friendly and has a nice easy going personalty. Sex with her was very enjoyable and I know she will get even better with experience. Sarah is defiantly worth a repeat.

[QUOTE=HMobius;2061693]I agree with all your points. I won't beat a dead horse and won't name the place yet again, but I once finally (because back then I rotated among a number of places) filled a Frequent Flyer card only to be told they "lost it" when I tried to redeem it.

I too felt the psychological effect of paying over 200, but would still give 150 on a case by case basis when I felt is was warranted. For lesser impressions, I stuck with 140.

It seems she always claims it's "slow", even when all rooms are taken. On the other hand, I cannot think of a mama who rejoiced how great business was; they all cried how slow it was even when all the girls (or all rooms) were taken.[/QUOTE]Eh, Brah, your inbox is full. LOL.

[QUOTE=UkiEater;2062065]I felt this way when Roses raised their HF to 50 from 40. That extra 10 helps the next day for breakfast or lunch. The thing I notice about Kison these days is that they don't bother to bring in the younger providers or providers with slim / nice bodies like they use to. It's mainly focused on providers (mostly older ones) that offer bb extras. That's a bummer because all this does is draw in the customers that want alot on the menu. But, it won't bring the other customers who want the looks over service type providers. They'll look elsewhere. That's what happening with Kison now. In the past when cute face Lily showed up, Sugar and Naomi first showed up onto the scene, Kison was pretty damn busy during lunch time. A number of guys going up / down the steps. Other young ones would pop up from time to time like Princess, Bobby, Maya. The providers that don't do BBFS. These days, not so much. So, there's no anxious curiosity to rush down to Kison to check on someone. If you look at the beginning of the Kison thread, there were a number of different members posting. Now, not so much.[/QUOTE]No disrespect to those who frequent there, but I think most contributors and lurkers would choose to see a 20 or 30 something who is better looking for the same hf or less. When you read their reports as opposed to CHM, it pales in comparison. Also the recent disparity in rating the same provider's looks hasn't helped. Yes I know it's subjective but there's a huge difference between a 9 and a 5!

[QUOTE=Aviatr77;2062537]Eh, Brah, your inbox is full. LOL.[/QUOTE]Sorry man, made space.

So Rico, Sarah is a new very well-speaking provider at Kison whom we better not CIP? Why does a girl's desire to receive CIP seem to be inversely proportional to their command of the English language? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=UkiEater;2062065]I felt this way when Roses raised their HF to 50 from 40. That extra 10 helps the next day for breakfast or lunch. The thing I notice about Kison these days is that they don't bother to bring in the younger providers or providers with slim / nice bodies like they use to. It's mainly focused on providers (mostly older ones) that offer bb extras. That's a bummer because all this does is draw in the customers that want alot on the menu. But, it won't bring the other customers who want the looks over service type providers. They'll look elsewhere. That's what happening with Kison now. In the past when cute face Lily showed up, Sugar and Naomi first showed up onto the scene, Kison was pretty damn busy during lunch time. A number of guys going up / down the steps. Other young ones would pop up from time to time like Princess, Bobby, Maya. The providers that don't do BBFS. These days, not so much. So, there's no anxious curiosity to rush down to Kison to check on someone. If you look at the beginning of the Kison thread, there were a number of different members posting. Now, not so much.[/QUOTE]For me HF of 60 is ridiculous. It simple economics, kison doesn't offer anything that is worth a HF of 60. Top it off with providers that I feel are older. Imdontbvare if they have the hottest spinner in town. 60 is too much, for me I patronize those AMP that have a lower HF.

[QUOTE=MrFunStuff808;2062799]For me HF of 60 is ridiculous. It simple economics, kison doesn't offer anything that is worth a HF of 60. Top it off with providers that I feel are older. Imdontbvare if they have the hottest spinner in town. 60 is too much, for me I patronize those AMP that have a lower HF.[/QUOTE]Personally, I just go in with 200. I pay whatever the HF is and the girl gets the rest. Never had any complaints.

[QUOTE=Harris808;2062911]Personally, I just go in with 200. I pay whatever the HF is and the girl gets the rest. Never had any complaints.[/QUOTE]Harris bingo you hit it right on the head. Girls knows about the unwritten rule of $ $ per session including house fee.

My opinion on the rate increase is because Kison is a massage parlor and not a relaxation place. Most every massage parlor is dala per minute. Per the unwritten rule it's okay to tip more if the customer feels its valid.

[QUOTE=HMobius;2062783]Sorry man, made space.

So Rico, Sarah is a new very well-speaking provider at Kison whom we better not CIP? Why does a girl's desire to receive CIP seem to be inversely proportional to their command of the English language? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]Not the case at all. She is new, give her a week or two and she will perform like the others. Sugar and Paula started out covered and they speak good English. The girls at Empire who speak no English also start out covered or no cip but the get with the program after a while.

[QUOTE=RicoSuave808;2062964]Not the case at all. She is new, give her a week or two and she will perform like the others. Sugar and Paula started out covered and they speak good English. The girls at Empire who speak no English also start out covered or no cip but the get with the program after a while.[/QUOTE]Like Rico says, just give her time. Once she realizes how good CIP feels, she'll be done with the cover. The ladies can cum much easier and more intensely skin on skin. You just can't beat BB.

Just had another session with Sarah and this lady gets my vote for provider of the year.

Sarah fulfilled every fantasy I had and provided it with Grace, Charm & Passion. This lady is amazing. Throw out all the abbreviations, Sarah is down right awesome.

Sorry no details as I want to keep that between her and I.

[QUOTE=Honolulu808;2063245]Just had another session with Sarah and this lady gets my vote for provider of the year.

Sarah fulfilled every fantasy I had and provided it with Grace, Charm & Passion. This lady is amazing. Throw out all the abbreviations, Sarah is down right awesome.

Sorry no details as I want to keep that between her and I.[/QUOTE]Sounds like one of your "trust me and just go" experiences. Will do!!

[QUOTE=Honolulu808;2063245]Just had another session with Sarah and this lady gets my vote for provider of the year.

Sarah fulfilled every fantasy I had and provided it with Grace, Charm & Passion. This lady is amazing. Throw out all the abbreviations, Sarah is down right awesome.

Sorry no details as I want to keep that between her and I.[/QUOTE]Sarah is cool and service oriented highly recomended.