CookyJar's Streetwalker Photos

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4302091]Trust me! I appreciate the love. I do enjoy the picture taking. I enjoy the posting. What I miss is the entertainment of reading the comments and discussions.

Take Tobi's pictures for example. She's been around for awhile and she knows about the USASG forum. Where are the comments? She didn't preform for me. Surely, someone out there knows her and could contribute some information.

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]I know this account has low post count and I've been called out as a newb already for it. But I retired my old account when I left the game for about 6 years. You actually know me CJ though I won't give my old handle me and you have PMed in the past. I used to post a lot give reviews and comments and when people asked for information I gave it to them. Once I gave a pretty regular posting member information for a girl because he asked for it. When he posted about a girl I asked him if I could have her digits and he says I don't know if I can. I told him don't you remember I'm the guy that gave you the number for so and so. He never replied. That's when I started getting an attitude about sharing information.

[QUOTE=LuvEmSmall;4306396]Not 100% sure but, you look through the forum and I don't think you will find another board with the name of a member ANYWHERE.

The man is a ledgend.

CJ a big THANK YOU.[/QUOTE]My area is small, just a 2. 3 mile loop, the choices and slim and get worse from there. I certainly live vicariously though Cookie Jar and appreciate all you do.

Thanks.

Old Man Mass.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4146210]The problem lies with the men who are trying to redefine a relationship that has existed since the beginning of time. The sugar daddy is attempting to buy and own something that at the very best, he can only rent.

Personally, I have never understood the concept of Sugar Daddy and Sugar Baby. How does the male benefit in the Sugar Daddy, Sugar Baby relationship? There is no legal, binding contract. It is the female who sets the rules, make the demands and regulates the terms. Other than those cases where both parties agree to a non-sexual relationship, how does the Sugar baby / Sugar Daddy relationship differ from the monger / escort relationship? Am I mistaken or cannot the young lady who advertises for a Sugar Daddy, continue to seek out additional Sugar daddies and accept whatever offer or offers that benefits her best?

Whether CraigsList, BackPage and whatever the current internet website is, it is all just Pay to Play. What is the difference between a Call Girl, Escort, Sugar Baby and Streetwalker? Judging from the many complaints that I have read on this site, the only difference that I have been able to determine is money.

JMHO!

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]Paragraph 1 - I totally agree and think most SD's get over that concept of owning pretty fast. The first girl or 2 or 3 they may think they can have some exclusivity, but unless they are living with the girl, it's not likely. I have lived with exclusive and non-exclusive girls.

Paragraph 2 - There can be differences but the experiences are all over the map. The female does not always set the rules, make the demands and regulate the terms. The trick is to let them do that to everyone but you. Not easy but it happens from time to time. I can usually ferret out one good girl a year. The real keepers. Let the other SD's foot the bill. I have not dated enough escorts to know all the dynamics. But I have been the designated BF to a few SB's. More like a civi dating relationship.

Paragraph 3 - You are correct that it is all P2 P. The difference is in how much you are paying and for how much time you are spending. I am sure a good SB experience is similar to some good high end Escort dates (multiple hours, overnites, lots of good times and laughter with a genuinely hot and polished girl). Also as far as the actual sex. A good escort will provide most any role play or sex act with conviction, it's their job. But the right SB will do it because it's their fantasy. These are all nuanced experiences and I am not looking to stir the pot or start a yuge discussion about it. Just my 2 cents. And BTW I am a follower and admirer of your thread.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4307112]Paragraph 1 - I totally agree and think most SD's get over that concept of owning pretty fast. The first girl or 2 or 3 they may think they can have some exclusivity, but unless they are living with the girl, it's not likely. I have lived with exclusive and non-exclusive girls.[/QUOTE]IMHO the concepts of ownership of or exclusivity with a SB are in the minds of the SDs not reality. You don't even "own" a live-in gf when you pay all her bills. If you think you do you may be delusional. Exclusive? Any girl who gets paid to play is a rent-only deal. You may be the only guy she plays with, but that fact can change in a heartbeat. She might even be a first-timer, but any girl who gets paid to play exclusively with you will eventually seek to get paid to play elsewhere.

[QUOTE]Paragraph 2 - There can be differences but the experiences are all over the map. The female does not always set the rules, make the demands and regulate the terms. The trick is to let them do that to everyone but you. Not easy but it happens from time to time. I can usually ferret out one good girl a year. The real keepers. Let the other SD's foot the bill. I have not dated enough escorts to know all the dynamics. But I have been the designated BF to a few SB's. More like a civi dating relationship.[/QUOTE]For me it is never like dating. I have no illusions of exclusivity. It is a business arrangement and all decision-making rests with the CEO: me. I understand she may need to be wooed and charmed into the deal, but, after the deal is set, I make the rules. The only leeway I give her is in negotiating the ongoing financial arrangement up front. If she wants to later change that or anything else it is my option, not hers. If she doesn't like that she is gone. There are plenty more SBs where she came from.

[QUOTE]Paragraph 3 - You are correct that it is all P2 P. The difference is in how much you are paying and for how much time you are spending. I am sure a good SB experience is similar to some good high end Escort dates (multiple hours, overnites, lots of good times and laughter with a genuinely hot and polished girl). Also as far as the actual sex. A good escort will provide most any role play or sex act with conviction, it's their job. But the right SB will do it because it's their fantasy. These are all nuanced experiences and I am not looking to stir the pot or start a yuge discussion about it. Just my 2 cents. And BTW I am a follower and admirer of your thread.[/QUOTE]A SB is a unique kind of escort. Ideally she is likeable and someone you enjoy spending time with in and out of bed, but even that isn't necessary. If she fulfills your needs, whatever they may be, then what you are paying her is worth it to you. My criteria are that she either be young and extremely attractive and / or makes up for that with my complete sensual and sexual satisfaction. Average -looking girls and MILFs are fine if they deliver what I want. Clean, excellent hygiene. Drug-free (you can't guarantee that but if I see a hint of drug use she is gone). Reachable. Reliable. Repeatable. Great attitude. Total GFE. When I tire of her, which is a given no matter how pretty or sensually and sexually satisfying, then I will let the thing die on its own. Eventually I won't contact her at all, or maybe I will get an itch for her particular scratch later and give it a go again for old times sake. Regardless, all the decisions are mine and if she doesn't like that she's history. If I wanted drama I would date a civvie.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4146210]Am I mistaken or cannot the young lady who advertises for a Sugar Daddy, continue to seek out additional Sugar daddies and accept whatever offer or offers that benefits her best?

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]What's the definitive definition for a Sugar Baby? How does a Sugar Baby differ from an escort?

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4309137]What's the definitive definition for a Sugar Baby? How does a Sugar Baby differ from an escort?

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]I'm familiar with term, Sugar Daddy. Sugar Daddies have been around for decades.

[QUOTE=Internet]
According to the most widespread legend, back in 1908, a man named Adolph Spreckels who was the son of Claus Spreckels, the owner of Spreckels Sugar Company, married a rather attractive woman Alma, who was 24 years younger. Since Spreckels ran a successful sugar company and was a lot older than Alma, she reportedly liked to call him Sugar Daddy.

Id rather be an old mans darling than a young mans slave, Alma used to say.

However, it took about 10 to 20 years for this cute expression to catch on. Officially, the first ever recorded use of Sugar Daddy dates to 1923, while some manifestations claim the term occurred somewhere between 1915 and 1920. During this period, the phrase was used as a slang term for an older man who gives money or gifts to an attractive younger woman in exchange for companionship or intimacy.[/QUOTE]The term, "Sugar Baby," as it's being used today seems to refer to a women who advertises on a particular internet website.

IMHO, the definition for a Sugar Baby is extremely vague. Almost any female who accepts money from a man could be considered a Sugar Baby.

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4309166]...The term, "Sugar Baby," as it's being used today seems to refer to a women who advertises on a particular internet website.

IMHO, the definition for a Sugar Baby is extremely vague. Almost any female who accepts money from a man could be considered a Sugar Baby.

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]Consider this scenario. While working Kensington Avenue, a very pretty young female meets an older gentleman. This older gentlemen takes her home to his house and bangs the shyt out of her. This older gentleman likes her so much, he decide to sponsor her completely. He not only give her money, he pays for her food, clothing, finds her an apartment and gives her spending money. Question: Is she a streetwalker, escort or sugar baby?

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4309223]Consider this scenario. While working Kensington Avenue, a very pretty young female meets an older gentleman. This older gentlemen takes her home to his house and bangs the shyt out of her. This older gentleman likes her so much, he decide to sponsor her completely. He not only give her money, he pays for her food, clothing, finds her an apartment and gives her spending money. Question: Is she a streetwalker, escort or sugar baby?

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]I would say she just went from streetwalk to sugar baby because her sugar daddy just converted her.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4309223]Consider this scenario. While working Kensington Avenue, a very pretty young female meets an older gentleman. This older gentlemen takes her home to his house and bangs the shyt out of her. This older gentleman likes her so much, he decide to sponsor her completely. He not only give her money, he pays for her food, clothing, finds her an apartment and gives her spending money. Question: Is she a streetwalker, escort or sugar baby?

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]A girl is to a guy what he says she is, but there are generally acceptable definitions for different kinds of financial arrangements for sex. A girl is obviously a SW to a guy if he picked her up on the street. A girl is usually an escort to a guy if she was available by appointment. A girl is usually a SB to a guy if she was amateur-like (whether real or acted), GFE and repeatable on a regular basis. The same girl could be all of these things to different guys. What she is to a guy depends upon how he initiated the transaction and the nature of that transaction.

Standards vary, but, for me, a SB must meet certain minimum conditions beyond being amateur-like, GFE and repeatable. She must be clean, drug-free, reachable by phone, punctual, reliable, sensually and sexually responsive and have an attitude which meets with my approval. A girl might start her first date with me with my hopes of her becoming a SB, but if she is missing any of my necessary conditions, then she isn't going to be my SB. While I am sure it may be possible: in hundreds of transactions, I have never ever picked up a SW or hired an escort who later became a SB. On the other hand, I have had hundreds of SBs, and every single one I recruited to be a SB from the start. Therefore, to me, what is a SB versus any other type of pay to play relationship is quite crystal-clear.

[QUOTE=Bob1345;4309346]I would say she just went from streetwalk to sugar baby because her sugar daddy just converted her.[/QUOTE]So at her basics, a Sugar Baby is a kept women. That's the definition that I am most familiar with. By that definition, any type of female can present herself as a Sugar Baby. There is no regulatory group that controls the conditions under which a woman can be categorized as a Sugar Baby. The is no standard.

CookyJar.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;4309714]So at her basics, a Sugar Baby is a kept women. That's the definition that I am most familiar with. By that definition, any type of female can present herself as a Sugar Baby. There is no regulatory group that controls the conditions under which a woman can be categorized as a Sugar Baby. The is no standard.

CookyJar.[/QUOTE]

No, a SB is not necessarily a kept woman. I have had hundreds of SBs and none of them were "kept." And, no, not every woman can present herself as a SB. And no "regulatory group" or "standards" are needed to do so. The "debate" you have fostered regarding whether a girl is a SW, Escort or SB is clearly tongue-in-cheek on your part to spark some discussion. You are a smart guy and you know that these delineations exist. There are hundreds of mongers on here who have no trouble deciding which is which and post their experiences and reviews in what they perceive to be the right categories, despite the fact that these categories are subjective and lack precisely defined parameters. You may think all girls who get paid for sex are all the same and the categories do not matter. The hundreds of varying threads on here for SWs, Escorts and SBs would beg to differ with your view. As for me, deciding whether a girl is a SB or not is a lot like deciding whether something is "obscene. " As Justice Stewart so elegantly put it way back in 1964: "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced as 'hard-core pornography', and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But [I]I know it when I see it." [/I] That would apply similarly to SBs. I have had hundreds of them. I have also have had hundreds of SWs and escorts. I know the difference. I have tried to intelligibly cite these differences: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5406-CookyJar-s-Streetwalker-Photos&p=4309447#post4309447[/URL] But the basic fact is that I know a SB when I experience one.

Ashley is not a Sugarbaby. Perhaps she could be, for someone, someday who knows. I am posting her pictures here in order to draw some attention to the conversation below and maybe encourage some others to join in the discussion.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4309447]A girl is to a guy what he says she is, but there are generally acceptable definitions for different kinds of financial arrangements for sex. A girl is obviously a SW to a guy if he picked her up on the street. A girl is usually an escort to a guy if she was available by appointment. A girl is usually a SB to a guy if she was amateur-like (whether real or acted), GFE and repeatable on a regular basis. The same girl could be all of these things to different guys. What she is to a guy depends upon how he initiated the transaction and the nature of that transaction.[/QUOTE]If I ask about a girl, who will have anal sex with me, most people will understand what I am talking about. If I ask about a BBW, most people would understand. The same thing goes for the terms, Blow Job, Doggie style or full service. These are terms that are easily explained, universally defined and universally understood. Likewise, the whole world knows what is meant by, "A Streetwalker. " And! Just about everyone knows about, "Escorts and Call Girls. " However! The modern reference to a, "Sugar Baby," as is derive from Sugar Babies websites are vague. The term, "Sugar Baby," as it is currently being used, started out as an advertisement strategy. It was meant to be ambiguous.

In reality, when it comes to sex, there are but two types of women. There are those who give it away, for free and with no monetary charge. And! There are women who charge / sell it for monetary profit. That is it; that is all there is. However, within in both groups there are categories. A woman who gives it away, for free, to any and everybody is called a S!ut or Wh0re. A woman who sells it to any and everybody who is willing to pay for it is called a prostitute. Victorian age moralist have tried to intermingle all inappropriate sexual deeds by referring to all fallen women, whether they sell it or give it away, as wh0res or sluts. These days referring to modern day prostitutes, streetwalkers, call girls, escorts and any female who sells her body as a s!ut or wh0re is acceptable. Historically, the common prostitute was considered a step above the common s!ut and the common s!ut was considered a step beneath the common prostitute. That was societies point of view. From the female point of view, both the prostitute and s!ut were undesirable positions.

From the male point of view, until recently, it was equally as satisfying to fuck sluts or prostitutes. Fucking willing, available sluts were and are the cheaper option. However, finding a good s!ut who is willing to fuck just anybody is way harder than finding a cheap prostitute, who is willing to fuck anybody for cash. There is no modern day, Victorian term for males who fuck sluts. A man who fucks sluts (women who give it away) is considered, just your average everyday man. There is a destination for men who fuck prostitutes. Men who fuck prostitutes (women who sell their bodies for money) are designated as johns. The term, "john," is a common but undesirable position. Most johns are content to hide the fact that they pay to play. On the other hand, most men who fuck sluts regularly are often proud to brag about they exploits to both friends and family. Being a male-wh0re, especially in certain younger societal groups, is welcomed by both sexes. Consider the big-man on campus phenomena. A man, who is able to fuck a lot of different women, for free, is often held in high esteem. A man who has to pay for sex is more often than not considered some kind of a pervert.

This brings us to this question. Which, among men, is seen as the most desirable position? Which is the most admired, among johns? Among your average male, which among societies point of view, is the better; the monger who fucks streetwalkers, the monger who dates escorts or call girls or the guy who patronizes sugar babies, exquisitely.

This is the premise on which the entire Sugar baby website and concept was and is based on. Sugar Babies are little more than repurposed call girls, escorts, streetwalkers and prostitutes. Despite the name change, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

A few years back, some internet site developer came upon a concept to refill a void. The void that was left by what was once called, "Call Girls and Escorts Websites. " There was actually very little difference between Call Girls and Escorts, however; for some reason an escort was viewed as the better position for a female. Even though they did the same thing, most females would rather be called an escort. (No female in her right mind wants to be called a streetwalker or prostitute.) Before there was BackPage, a good call girl might have her own webpage and demand between $300. And $500. Her prices varied with her looks and what she was willing to provide. The price for a good escort ranged between $500, $1000 and $5000. A deal / date with a $5000 dollar escort might not include sex. An escort could mean just that, someone who escorted you or traveled with you as a companion. The original concept on the sugar baby website allotted for a similar position. Originally, not all sugar babies had to provide sexual favors. Originally, on the original website, few college students advertised for sugar daddies. The original website as it was depicted on TV's, "Good Morning America," was portrayed as a website for women, of all ages and positions, who were seeking men to provide for them and who were not necessarily sex workers.

From what I can tell, from today information, a sugar baby is any girl who can ask for and get a higher than average price for her wares. IMHO, a Sugar Baby is just another name for call girl or escort.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4309447] for me, a SB must meet certain minimum conditions beyond being amateur-like, GFE and repeatable. She must be clean, drug-free, reachable by phone, punctual, reliable, sensually and sexually responsive and have an attitude which meets with my approval[/QUOTE]If I can find a streetwalker who is clean, drug-free, and reachable by phone, punctual, reliable, sensually and sexually responsive and has an attitude which meets with your approval, for you, she would be considered a, Sugar baby. Am I right? Your first response might be to say that such a girl does not exist. I would counter with; that is your ego speaking. You have probably already dated and been fooled by such a girl. To say that you are beyond being taken in by a pretty face and a clever girl is at the upmost limits of denial.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4309447]I have had hundreds of SBs, and every single one I recruited to be a SB from the start. Therefore, to me, what is a SB versus any other type of pay to play relationship is quite crystal-clear.[/QUOTE]How can you be absolutely, one hundred percent sure, beyond a shadow of doubt; without knowing the complete history of all of the hundreds of sugar babies that you have dated? How can you be so sure that not one of them has lied to you about her past? According to your standards, of the hundreds of sugar babies, you have dated, not one of them in their entire life, has ever been late, has always been reliable, always been freshly bathed, never lost a phone, has always been ready for sex, has never had a mood swing and in their entire life has never experimented with any form of drug unbelievable, by today's standards. Of the hundreds, none ever smoked a joint?

Yours seems to be more of a description, rather than a definition. You seem to be describing what you like in a woman. Technically, I could say the exact same thing about a regular streetwalker. What is the difference from my saying, in order for me to see a streetwalker on a regular basics, she has to be clean, drug-free, and reachable by phone, punctual, reliable, sensually and sexually responsive and has an attitude which meets with my approval. If they fail in any one of these attributes, I will not see them regularly.

You have not giving a definition that others may use in their search for a sugar baby.

CookyJar.

P.S: Google Sugar Babies on Good Morning America for a interesting interview. Check out the video that follows the GMA interview.

Try copy and paste:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sugar+babies+on+good+morning+america&&view=detail&mid=
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Or try searching for: HOW TO GET A SUGA DADDY ! Highly requested!! on YouTube.


CookyJar.

There are only 2 kinds of women:

Your wife.

Not your wife (which means everybody else).

And trust me, you paid for all of them LOL.

[QUOTE=TrojanHorsey;4310246]There are only 2 kinds of women:

Your wife.

Not your wife (which means everybody else).

And trust me, you paid for all of them LOL.[/QUOTE]I like your logic. I will add that the most expensive pussy you will ever have is the pussy you get for "free. " You pay for it in spades either in drama or, if you make it legally "free" pussy, drama plus most of your income and probably eventually half your stuff.