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[QUOTE=Eric1975;5441988]Had to chime in. The scene isn't any better to your north either. Your post is spot on. Was only a few years ago was able to get the 18 to 23 range fairly easy. The ones at that age are quite competitive as far as materialistic things go. Always have to have the better clothes or cellphone or whatever than their friends. Well all that costs money and a retail job ain't going to cut it with their tastes, so it was fairly easy to scoop them up. So what changed?[/QUOTE]You can blame only fans for one. Girls are starting to realize they don't have to have sex for guys to give them money. Besides that I've notice plenty of girls go rogue where once they provided a legitimate service to asking for deposits and scamming. And talking with my circle of people it actually seems pay to play is becoming more acceptable. I have friends who I wouldn't dream about having conversations about hookers with and now I have plenty of guy friends that do it between relationships or for casual entertainment. That being said the demand has went up, guys are paying more for less and guys are sending and spending money before the woman even enters their eyes. I thought it was just the Chicago market but after going to Atlanta I see things are drier then they've been elsewhere. This year and last could be an anomaly due to the rona, but I also know these stimulus checks, increases in unemployment and the PPE scams have put more money in guys pockets so there's a lot of discretionary spending. I have heard stories of guys getting the 30,000 in PPE money and literally spending it on mostly women. I also use that to support the increase in rates. I'm not seeing many girls offer 30 minutes for 120-150, most these girls even the non attractive ones are asking for 200 minimum, no matter how old, fat or ugly. I have about 7 burner numbers so if I find a girl I'd like to see and her price is high, I just keep trying from different numbers until I get a response I like. On the flip side, if she gets 5 people texting her and each time she doesn't get a reply after revealing her price she may think she's asking too much and drop it some to see if she can finally get a client.

[QUOTE=LongDStyle;5442417]You can blame only fans for one. Girls are starting to realize they don't have to have sex for guys to give them money. Besides that I've notice plenty of girls go rogue where once they provided a legitimate service to asking for deposits and scamming. And talking with my circle of people it actually seems pay to play is becoming more acceptable. I have friends who I wouldn't dream about having conversations about hookers with and now I have plenty of guy friends that do it between relationships or for casual entertainment. That being said the demand has went up, guys are paying more for less and guys are sending and spending money before the woman even enters their eyes. I thought it was just the Chicago market but after going to Atlanta I see things are drier then they've been elsewhere. This year and last could be an anomaly due to the rona, but I also know these stimulus checks, increases in unemployment and the PPE scams have put more money in guys pockets so there's a lot of discretionary spending. I have heard stories of guys getting the 30,000 in PPE money and literally spending it on mostly women. I also use that to support the increase in rates. I'm not seeing many girls offer 30 minutes for 120-150, most these girls even the non attractive ones are asking for 200 minimum, no matter how old, fat or ugly. I have about 7 burner numbers so if I find a girl I'd like to see and her price is high, I just keep trying from different numbers until I get a response I like. On the flip side, if she gets 5 people texting her and each time she doesn't get a reply after revealing her price she may think she's asking too much and drop it some to see if she can finally get a client.[/QUOTE]Good insight. I was thinking o fans and pandemic money. As most these girls have a few kids, they must be banking pretty good money. As far as the * goes, I see it now more and more in all the ads. Even the ugly homely ones are getting their own page. I thought o fans paid a small percent to the page owner? If so, she'd have to have an awful lot of subscribers to even make it worth while. Illinois isint quite as bad as the dismal desert that Wisconsin has become but I suspect it will get there. It's a crapshoot really, do you gamble with a STG girl. If you can find one or do you invest more time more money and go with a SA girl. Or further still, travel. I travel frequently to Nicaragua and have played the field there with extremely good results and with far less money. I think I'm going to have to start cashing in my frequent flyer miles.

Just thought I'd add some emphasis to previous posts. I'm not here to rage against porn. I find it counter-productive, but it's an individual choice.

But every single ofans subscription is that much less money a chick has to get from sex with an actual guy. So to sub to an escort's only-fans is massively counter-productive for all of us.

It's like deposits. JUST SAY NO.

I won't say I've never done it. Just that I hadn't thought it out, and I *won't* be doing it anymore. God knows there's enough *other* porn out there, we don't have to f* up our chances with these girls.

Hopefully the stimulus money will soon dissipate and things will be more normal. God help us if *this* is the new normal.

[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5442768]Just thought I'd add some emphasis to previous posts. I'm not here to rage against porn. I find it counter-productive, but it's an individual choice.

But every single ofans subscription is that much less money a chick has to get from sex with an actual guy. So to sub to an escort's only-fans is massively counter-productive for all of us.

It's like deposits. JUST SAY NO.

I won't say I've never done it. Just that I hadn't thought it out, and I *won't* be doing it anymore. God knows there's enough *other* porn out there, we don't have to f* up our chances with these girls.

Hopefully the stimulus money will soon dissipate and things will be more normal. God help us if *this* is the new normal.[/QUOTE]I took a deep dive into the world of OF to see what it was all about. After about a month, let me tell you what I found.

First off, there are tons and tons of girls on there from all over the word, although Russia and SE Asia are disproportionately represented. They promote each other so your feed is always full of newer potential girls to add. There's so many that there is no way in hell that any but the absolute hottest girls make enough to live on. I'm talking the ones who are already popular on IG. There's only so much discretionary income to go around for them. 9's and 10's can easily make a lot of money. 6's, 7's, and 8's have far too much competition. This is why they all have free accounts instead of paid accounts. They are attempting to make money on individual picture sets and videos because they cannot sustain a membership base.

I have yet to find a girl from Chicago. My feed is full of girls from Russia and SE Asia, who are very attractive and present at least a small window of opportunity for a meet up if / when I travel out there. I have a couple porn stars that I keep around as well because it's fun to communicate with them. Some of them are pretty interesting people outside of their work.

I should also say that I was recently receiving a body rub from a very attractive Euro girl here in Chicago, and she told me she works online. As a joke, I said, "OF. " And she laughed and shook her head. She said she has a real job and that she wouldn't want to be on the internet like that for the whole world to see. A lot of girls work discreetly in the P2 P industry, especially Euro and Asian girls. And they don't want their friends and family to find out. Once you are on OF, with the way the internet catalogues everything, it's pretty much permanent.

OF is not what's causing the decline in talent in Chicago. NYC, LA, Toronto, Orlando are full of talent currently. Yes, even locked down Toronto. I know because I follow the various agencies and reviews for intel.

The problem here for Chicago is the following:

A) There are far more busts here in Chicago than the other major cities. Ironically, this does not slow the amount of women working in the industry. It simply reduces the quality of talent not quantity.

B) Chicago is not a destination city to the majority of the world. Yes, we have tourists. But we have tourists as a secondary destination, not a primary. Nobody goes to China to visit Wuhan (pre-pandemic) or Guangzhou. They got to Shanghai, Beijing, Macau, Hong Kong, and possibly Shenzhen. IE NYC, LA, Miami, Vegas, and Honolulu.

C) It doesn't fucking help that we are in the news everyday for murders. This creates fear. Women don't like fear.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5442871]
OF is not what's causing the decline in talent in Chicago. NYC, LA, Toronto, Orlando are full of talent currently. Yes, even locked down Toronto. I know because I follow the various agencies and reviews for intel.
[/QUOTE]Mongering has been on a straight decline all over the world in the last ten years. As far as I'm concerned, the internet ruined everything and too many people with a lot of money.

The fact nobody wants to come to Chicago anymore really accelerated things here.

[QUOTE=Riina;5443126]Mongering has been on a straight decline all over the world in the last ten years. As far as I'm concerned, the internet ruined everything and too many people with a lot of money.

The fact nobody wants to come to Chicago anymore really accelerated things here.[/QUOTE]Dude if you were 24 making $10 k a month for rubbing your tits together in a couple videos a day would you live in Chicago or even anywhere else in America? Online (BP and CL) killed streetwalking, cam girls and OF killed online the "sex workers circle of life". Our only hope is some women's group pushes the OF is exploitation agenda and banks stop accepting payments to or from sites like OF. Pretty much what happened to porn hub.

[QUOTE=Riina;5443126]Mongering has been on a straight decline all over the world in the last ten years. As far as I'm concerned, the internet ruined everything and too many people with a lot of money.

The fact nobody wants to come to Chicago anymore really accelerated things here.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say it's on a decline everywhere. Chicago for sure.

But have a look at this agency in Montreal.

[URL]https://www.euphoriagirls.com/[/URL]

Look at this one out of Madrid:

[URL]https://www.tumejorcita.com/[/URL]

Not only are the women hot, the prices are affordable.

These are just 2 examples. I have plenty more.

[QUOTE=Jayp80;5443497]Dude if you were 24 making $10 k a month for rubbing your tits together in a couple videos a day would you live in Chicago or even anywhere else in America? Online (BP and CL) killed streetwalking, cam girls and OF killed online the "sex workers circle of life". Our only hope is some women's group pushes the OF is exploitation agenda and banks stop accepting payments to or from sites like OF. Pretty much what happened to porn hub.[/QUOTE]Streetwalkers are alive and well in Colombia and other parts of the world. In the US, streetwalkers are 99% of the time drug addicts, likely high at the time, trannies, or have some sort of mental deficiency. It takes half an hour to create an online ad.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5443763]I wouldn't say it's on a decline everywhere. Chicago for sure.

But have a look at this agency in Montreal.

[URL]https://www.euphoriagirls.com/[/URL]

Look at this one out of Madrid:

[URL]https://www.tumejorcita.com/[/URL]

Not only are the women hot, the prices are affordable.

These are just 2 examples. I have plenty more.[/QUOTE]Truth. Download a TOR browser and check out Leos list. For those that don't know, Leos list is like the Craigslist or BP of Canada. Unlike STG here in the states, Leos list has verified providers.

Unbelievable the number of women and not only that, the number of women that are gorgeous. Toronto and its surrounding suburbs got it going on.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5443780]Streetwalkers are alive and well in Colombia and other parts of the world. In the US, streetwalkers are 99% of the time drug addicts, likely high at the time, trannies, or have some sort of mental deficiency. It takes half an hour to create an online ad.[/QUOTE]Probably the biggest difference between street walkers here and the street walkers in, let's say, central America is necessity. Most here are doing it because of addiction or forced. In central America, it's mostly because of poverty, food for their children. Most, I'd say a very high percentage are not on any kind of drugs, they simply couldn't afford it anyway. I travel to Nicaragua frequently and the difference between here and there is day and night. I don't pick up street walkers, I use a website similar to STG. My Nica girl I see everytime I go. For what I spend here on a worn out rode hard STG girl, I can spend the entire day with her.

[QUOTE=Eric1975;5442587]Good insight. I was thinking o fans and pandemic money. As most these girls have a few kids, they must be banking pretty good money. As far as the * goes, I see it now more and more in all the ads. Even the ugly homely ones are getting their own page. I thought o fans paid a small percent to the page owner? If so, she'd have to have an awful lot of subscribers to even make it worth while. Illinois isint quite as bad as the dismal desert that Wisconsin has become but I suspect it will get there. It's a crapshoot really, do you gamble with a STG girl. If you can find one or do you invest more time more money and go with a SA girl. Or further still, travel. I travel frequently to Nicaragua and have played the field there with extremely good results and with far less money. I think I'm going to have to start cashing in my frequent flyer miles.[/QUOTE]While I agree with most anything here. I can say that I surf these sites religiously even when I'm not in the mood or out of budget just for the new girls or rare unicorns. But I have noticed that Chicago attracts a lot of girls from Wisconsin, Indiana and Texas. Wisconsin and Indiana girls come here all the time and post and work on weekends and then go back home. I had a girl I saw for cheap, very attractive from Decatur that came into town every weekend because there was more money here than her area and didn't have to worry about seeing someone she knew. I've been seeing less of these types but they still have numbers. If you look at area codes you'll notice a lot of these girls have 414,252, 219 and 765 area codes when they are from out of state.

I did also notice while I was in Atlanta that a lot of girls I see post in Chicago also travel there routinely. I saw so many I thought they were duplicate of scam ads but nope. When I searched Chicago that same day they hadn't posted in a few days so it checked out okay. I was looking for new women, wasn't going to see a girl I can easily catch back home. Plus they might be weird-ed being contacted my a monger with an area code from their hometown while being almost 1000 miles away. But I agree with the crime factor, I've noticed many more girls work far out in the suburbs vs inner city and if they are inner city it's downtown, by the airports or northside exclusive. The main girl I've been seeing only works in the south suburbs and downtown for outcalls, she completely skips the south side even though she travels thru it for her coverage area.

[QUOTE=GeorgeStark;5442768]Just thought I'd add some emphasis to previous posts. I'm not here to rage against porn. I find it counter-productive, but it's an individual choice.

But every single ofans subscription is that much less money a chick has to get from sex with an actual guy. So to sub to an escort's only-fans is massively counter-productive for all of us.

It's like deposits. JUST SAY NO.

I won't say I've never done it. Just that I hadn't thought it out, and I *won't* be doing it anymore. God knows there's enough *other* porn out there, we don't have to f* up our chances with these girls.

Hopefully the stimulus money will soon dissipate and things will be more normal. God help us if *this* is the new normal.[/QUOTE]I feel only fans is very similar to deposits as well. I've also noticed an illogical standpoint a lot of these women have. You would be surprised at the amount of women on snapchat, Instagram and only fans that you can contact to "fly them out" to you or you can go visit them. I would not trust it. Years ago (like 2013) I talked with a woman I met online and she wanted me to fly her to me. But I didn't trust sending her the money or buying a ticket to send her. Even if she actually used the ticket to come here there was no guarantee she would come back to my place, spend all the time with me or even get intimate. Plus there's plenty of women here in this big city that I shouldn't have to do that anyway especially at that price point.

I'm on a dating site and I was in conversation with 2 women (who we're promoting their only fans) were telling guys they could fly either one of them out to see them or even both if desired. I told the girls I was interested in meeting them, they are here in Chicago. Two south side ghetto attractive petite women. I explained I didn't need to fly them out as I was in the same area but I told them my intentions and what they could get in return. They declined and also claimed they weren't interested in anything intimate. Well who is going to fly these women out just to hangout? Some women honestly think if you fly them out they aren't obligated to do anything with you. That's fine but I'm not that guy.

[QUOTE=LongDStyle;5444979]The main girl I've been seeing only works in the south suburbs and downtown for outcalls, she completely skips the south side even though she travels thru it for her coverage area.[/QUOTE]Willing to share? Having a hard time finding someone reliable in the area.

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[QUOTE=LongDStyle;5444998]You would be surprised at the amount of women on snapchat, Instagram and only fans that you can contact to "fly them out" to you or you can go visit them. [/QUOTE]A girl I banged at an Asian apartment was staying at some dude's apartment here in town, all well documented on Instagram. She went back to doing her weeklies in various cities after that.