"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.

As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.

Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5315073]Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.

As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.

Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.[/QUOTE]Hell, I'd even get a rental car for the day if that's her only link to tracking you down afterwards. Can't be too careful! I hope it goes well.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5315073]Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.

As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.

Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.[/QUOTE]No disrespect intended but if she doesn't know who you are ie using a burner phone doesn't know your full name or details about who you are why are you being so cordial? Screw that tell her your done and ghost her. On other hand if you have her any information about who you are then your screwed. Never ever give out that kind of info I've been there done that and sooner or later these arrangements end and sometimes very badly. Just my 2 cents. But don't give these girls that kind of power over the arrangement.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5313906]This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you.[b] Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. [color=red]You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her.[/color] Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.[/b]

As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.

Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".

If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.[/QUOTE]This in spades!

Dudes give up their power WAY too easily to girls. This ain't marriage where in some senses you have to, this is an arrangement.

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]I confess to being a little confused about your situation.

Before you've asked for advice, you indicated you were "old" and not really up to date on these things. Yesterday you posted in the addict thread that you're young and not even 30. That's a strange age to be working the SB angle, but not unheard of.

But which is it? Are you "old" or in your 20's? It improves our understanding of where you're coming (experience-wise) from when asking for advice. Here are the contradictory posts:

[POST=4906902]I'm old[/POST]

[POST=5314390]I'm under 30[/POST]

I met one a few months ago that said she was taking pills for schizophrenia, mind you, she was 19 or 20 and had a few fun sessions but wanted to cut that cold as I saw some ODD mood things go in my car nothing crazy but like extra-long gaze into nowhere, etc. So, I told her due to covid I was driving up to Humbolt County to work on a grow farm for two months! No cell service I told her, but I need to get rent money It worked well and burned that number same time / blocked her.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5315434]No disrespect intended but if she doesn't know who you are ie using a burner phone doesn't know your full name or details about who you are why are you being so cordial? Screw that tell her your done and ghost her. On other hand if you have her any information about who you are then your screwed. Never ever give out that kind of info I've been there done that and sooner or later these arrangements end and sometimes very badly. Just my 2 cents. But don't give these girls that kind of power over the arrangement.[/QUOTE]You didn't read the whole history. He's on Maui. There's a non-zero chance he's going to run into her in public at some point. He doesn't want there to be a scene, just her ignoring him.

Greetings everyone.

Thank you for all your advice and wisdom, If I was ever living in a densely populated area I wouldn't be thinking too hard on this case so I definitely envy you all. I appreciate you all for taking the time for the assist, If you are ever in Hawaii I'll be happy to do some digging and info searching for you (Just PM me).

Also RogerOver I apologize for the way I was wording about myself in earlier posts. I meant old as in old-fashioned. The scenario was that I was a novice in hosting (I rarely did it) and was trying to say that if there have been new more updated ways to host anonymously over the years (technology and whatnot gets updated so fast). I'm actually young in body my friend (late 20's), decently experienced in hobbying, but an amatuer in seeking. I turn to fellow gents in larger forums of different states for advice since I feel like you've see pretty much everything in the Seeking world.

I promise I'll do my own research as well folks (your SB highlight thread is most helpful) and thank you.

Mahalo and stay safe.

I've been reading the strings on terminating SD / SD relationships. As the forum thread say's "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not? No matter what age, you have to make the determination during the initial communication (electronically or by M&G) if they are Amateurs or Not by discussing with the SB your personal guidelines for setting up a mutual beneficial arraignment. If not, it's simple, you will lose control.

If the determination is "not", other than having to deal with negotiating with the GPS syndrome one's or UTR's depending on the set arrangement then most likely there will be no emotional connection and probably you are just one of many Stallions in their income stable. But there are exceptions..

If the determination is amateur; in many cases they don't have the ability manage an income stable of Sd's and are looking for one mutual beneficial arraignment, where ultimately there may be an emotional connection at risk. No matter how good it appears to be, you need to have a planned exit strategy incorporated into your guidelines if the relationship seems to start heading south. Again, there are exceptions..

Remember it takes two in a relationship; it's easy to get in but hard to punch out if it's spiraling out of control. Think with the big head not the little one.

As DreamCatching said..

Mahalo and stay safe.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5316162]You didn't read the whole history. He's on Maui. There's a non-zero chance he's going to run into her in public at some point. He doesn't want there to be a scene, just her ignoring him.[/QUOTE]Yea you right didn't register the island thing but still if you on a island I think you wouldn't do the Sb thing.

I think SA uses trolls to thin the herd. My last 2 accounts have been banned for "soliciting". In both cases the most recent conversation was with a people who openly said they were escorts and did ppm. In both cases they started the conversation and even quoted rates. Also in both cases I used the term incall in a message and next time I went to log in I was banned. I am beginning to wonder if they are plants and if you engage them they ban you.

In any case F at #k SA! Not wasting another penny.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;5318727]I think SA uses trolls to thin the herd. My last 2 accounts have been banned for "soliciting". In both cases the most recent conversation was with a people who openly said they were escorts and did ppm. In both cases they started the conversation and even quoted rates. Also in both cases I used the term incall in a message and next time I went to log in I was banned. I am beginning to wonder if they are plants and if you engage them they ban you.

In any case F at #k SA! Not wasting another penny.

Be safe![/QUOTE]If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.

Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.

Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5318737]If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.

Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.

Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.[/QUOTE]I should have cut off as soon as she said she's an escort and reported it but.

I may email support to see if I can get re-instated just to follow up conversations I had already started and finish out the month but I don't think Ill renew.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5318737]If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.

Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.

Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.[/QUOTE]While I appreciate the gal is the offender, I don't think it is in your interest to be the police. Rather than reporting, I just block those profiles when I get those sorts of messages. Definitely don't engage in any conversation with them. One key, in any conflict, is to be sure to block her first, that way she can't get to your profile to report you and get you in trouble.

So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?

[QUOTE=Banger12;5319203]So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?[/QUOTE]Girls who provide a verified email address from a college (. Edu domain name) get that.

[QUOTE=Banger12;5319203]So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?[/QUOTE]Its just girls that the SA site algorithm flags as active and they message and hopefully meet. They want to flag them so that a) they get more traffic b) mongers (sorry SDs) get responses to messages rather than crickets -- so more likely to stay as members.

SA.

SBs can upgrade to premium for free with a ".edu" email address or for $20 a month.

The Premium SB Membership has more filtering options on searches, can tell when an SD was last active, can see if their messages have been read, can hide their profile from searches or dashboards, can hide their join date or last login date and can see if an SD profile is premium or not.

It useful, but not necessary for most SBs. The free Basic SB Membership works fine for most.

[QUOTE=Banger12;5319203]So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?[/QUOTE]

As a female if you join with a edu (college) email you get the premium for free. So any girl that joins with that is a premium member. For those that join with a non college email they can upgrade for 19.99 a month.

[QUOTE=Banger12;5319203]So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?[/QUOTE]

I have seen a lot of threads about these 2 and have gotten the impression that folks prefer SA so I never set up an account on SB until today. If you saw my earlier post SA banned me.

If I understand it right SA is based in the US and has to be very careful about soliciting but SB is not.

Does that mean I don't have to be quite as careful with what I say on SB and can I be more explicit in my profile description?

Thanks!

Another perk for the chicks is that they can check you out and not show on your viewed me list. I used to get messages from premiums who did not show up on viewed me or favorited me activity. I thought they were bots or scams. So, I wrote one back a snarky message about messaging me without ever looking at my profile. She messaged back, telling me the advantage for her being premium is that she can look at my profile without me knowing. I thought any type of profile could do that but lesson learned. We didn't meet.

[QUOTE=Banger12;5319203]So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?[/QUOTE]

I enjoyed her recently, have a question for anyone else who has had her. You can PM.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/30007669-411e-42df-8bab-f65518272014[/URL]

I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!!

[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5320644]I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!![/QUOTE]Anybody paying for a meet and greet is a sorry SOB.

[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5320644]I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!![/QUOTE]I've only paid for one M&G and that was for a hot college age young lady. Also it was only about $40, and like many of the guys on here I've adopted the practice of never paying for a meet and greet. I can't believe she had the nerve to ask for 300 for that. Who's advising these women?

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5320719]Anybody paying for a meet and greet is a sorry SOB.[/QUOTE]Perhaps a bit strong but I understand the sentiment. Paying for M&G hurts all of us.

Met a girl here in So. Cal said she's used to getting 400-1000 ppm and I said did you read my profile? I mention on my profile, I do not do PPM (twice) and prefer to meet and connect organically, if the chemistry is there I then say I don't mind helping out at all, but need to ensure we're even attracted. She agreed to meet and bring some white claws so we ended up drinking for hour and a half in my car and she was not half as cute as her pics. Made out for a bit and felt her ass etc then called it a night. Definitely would not repeat and give a donation only because she didn't look as good as her pics. I cannot agree until I actually hang out and see them. I agree with the rest here, I don't pay just to greet! Those smell too much like pros, I say good luck if you got others.

Just my experience recently.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5320644]I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!![/QUOTE]

So I have decided not to do Seeking because I have read about all of the flakes, GPS and platonic chicks who are on line. I've done Seeking before with varying results. I am not a member but this one has sent me an email. Has anyone see her. If so send me a PM.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ca094bb5-e7e5-4cd1-bf96-1b41d409a57a[/URL]

Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.

[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5320644]I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChrisHansen92;5321386]Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. Whether it's SBs or escorts it's all the same. Sometimes we forget that we have the power but we continue to hand it to them. We over pay for services or give deposits or send gifts and advances to SB without even meeting them. I'm not judging because I've made those mistakes early in my years but with experience comes wisdom and I don't fall for that game. Little head sometimes speaks pretty loud but keep your head on straight and if it doesn't feel right don't do it. Just my thoughts Be safe.

[QUOTE=ChrisHansen92;5321386]Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.[/QUOTE]Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!!

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5321800]Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!![/QUOTE]
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Oh I agree 1000000%! But......

Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!

I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.

So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.

Hang in there!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5322454].Oh I agree 1000000%! But......

Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!

I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.

So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.

Hang in there![/QUOTE]Yup that's all we can do is keep posting good ones and bad ones and hope they take heed. Some won't as you scroll thru the post been warned by several bad reviews provider is a dasher but yet there they go. Or how many times do we post No Deposits They are Fake yet there's a post about how they sent a 10 $ deposit and got ghosted. Can't fix stupid I guess lmao. Be safe Be safe.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5322454].
Oh I agree 1000000%! But......

Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!

I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.

So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.

Hang in there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5321800]Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!![/QUOTE]While I agree guys need to stop putting up with all this bullshit, I take a step back when we talk about "man cards" and paying for pussy. Go pick up chicks free-range if you want to brag about man-cards. Sugaring is a game where you can't help but get laid if you hold your ground and your money until it's time to make a deal.

When you have a chick that will give you pussy for a transaction, you don't need a lot of game. There are no dark arts here. They're hookers. Don't be stupid; let them pretend they aren't hookers, and you'll manage to get laid.

[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5320644]I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!![/QUOTE]This must be a copy paste message from many of the so call SD rinse tutorials out there; like you, had agreed to meet with a couple of girls to make sure we 'clicked. '.

Day before or couple of days before, they hit me exactly with that-I have offers from other guys, but since you seemed cool, wanted to spend time with you; however, my time is valuable, blah blah blah.

I got these usually from girls in the 22-25 age range.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5322641]While I agree guys need to stop putting up with all this bullshit, I take a step back when we talk about "man cards" and paying for pussy. Go pick up chicks free-range if you want to brag about man-cards. Sugaring is a game where you can't help but get laid if you hold your ground and your money until it's time to make a deal.

When you have a chick that will give you pussy for a transaction, you don't need a lot of game. There are no dark arts here. They're hookers. Don't be stupid; let them pretend they aren't hookers, and you'll manage to get laid.[/QUOTE]This is not thread about who's most alpha but about self-defeating / self-sabotaging behaviors from guys that are easy to fix. Paying for pics, or OFans or for platonic is counter-productive. Same as putting her on a pedestal and telling her she's so hot thinking for a second it will help your cause of getting into her pants. All these things are actually working against you. Why guys keep doing these is mind boggling.

There are a lot of things that are annoying that other SDs do, but it's all part of the game. Just have to deal with it or leave the game. Had a forum member rat me out to an old sugar of my that I posted a review. So now I don't post detail reviews anymore. Just basic review so members know the SB is down to FC. I do not posting prices or if I got BBFS anymore.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5323319]This is not thread about who's most alpha but about self-defeating / self-sabotaging behaviors from guys that are easy to fix. Paying for pics, or OFans or for platonic is counter-productive. Same as putting her on a pedestal and telling her she's so hot thinking for a second it will help your cause of getting into her pants. All these things are actually working against you. Why guys keep doing these is mind boggling.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know if she is Sarah that outed married guys awhile back?

[QUOTE=DoneThatOnce;5323981]Anyone know if she is Sarah that outed married guys awhile back?[/QUOTE]That is her. Run far, run fast.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5323404]There are a lot of things that are annoying that other SDs do, but it's all part of the game. Just have to deal with it or leave the game. Had a forum member rat me out to an old sugar of my that I posted a review. So now I don't post detail reviews anymore. Just basic review so members know the SB is down to FC. I do not posting prices or if I got BBFS anymore.[/QUOTE]That is a real shame! Some numb-nuts who prolly only wants to date a girl once and then move on, ruined things for others. Oh, hey, who cares about you.... Its all about ME! Sigh.

Thanks for sticking around and at least providing basic reports!