[QUOTE=Sarag;3406362]It was Mr. Envious.[/QUOTE]I'm a little surprised there was not a going away party for you. We should have a welcome back party upon your return. Safe travels.
Dave.
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[QUOTE=Sarag;3406362]It was Mr. Envious.[/QUOTE]I'm a little surprised there was not a going away party for you. We should have a welcome back party upon your return. Safe travels.
Dave.
[QUOTE=Sarag;3406423]TA2. Nope, not at my meet and greets. I've hosted two. His postings can be rather unsavory so a consideration of offering an invite was not even on the table.[/QUOTE]Nor would an acceptance of such an invitation be any more considered were one offered, even accidentally.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3406679]Nor would an acceptance of such an invitation be any more considered were one offered, even accidentally.[/QUOTE]Here's a story:
Many years ago, my wife and I spent a lot of time with her friends. One friend in particular, Melanie, was always helping us. Among other things, she designed our wedding rings and her boyfriend, a chef, made our wedding cake. Because of all her help, we would occasionally take her out for dinner or drinks.
Another friend, Keri often wanted to tag along. The trouble was, Keri never had any money. She always expected someone to pay for her. She would promise to pick up the tab next time, but next time she would be broke again.
One night we had dropped in on Melanie and decided to take her to dinner. Before we could leave, Keri came over and started hinting she wanted to join us. Of course she also mentioned she had no money. We ignored the hints until she left. About 5 minutes later Keri called Melanie, complaining about not being invited. Melanie tried to explain the situation. My wife and I invited Melanie, as thanks for the wedding help. Melanie was not in a position to invite Keri when Keri had no means to pay. Keri ended the call with "I don't even like that restaurant and I have better things to do. ".
Declining something that was never offered, never earned, is incredibly childish, no matter how you phrase it.
Sara pointed out the truth, you're abrasive and argumentative in the forums. She didn't want that type of behavior in her home. Except for the people she already knew, the only way to determine our personalities was from our forum posts. There are at least 100 members, probably great guys, who were never invited because they seldom post.
Here's some advice which you will ignore: give it a rest.
Step away from the forum for awhile, take a break. Let it all fade away. In a month or so, come back, post a review or two, offer a suggestion or some advice. If you have a problem with something posted, talk with the person through PM. Try to understand their reasons.
If you must take your grievances public, stick strictly to the issue. Stay away from personal attacks, avoid the tit-for-tat responses. There are several members who you will never win against in the court of public opinion. If you try to do so, the only reputation that suffers is your own.
[QUOTE=DaveRue;3406583]I'm a little surprised there was not a going away party for you. We should have a welcome back party upon your return. Safe travels.
Dave.[/QUOTE]We sort of have a little get together but anything bigger than that wasn't really possible due to being busy selling the house and coordinating everyone's schedules but we're hoping to do something when I'm back over July 4 weekend and a few days after. One of the guys on the board is often let us use his place. Perhaps you would like to coordinate it would be good to see you again.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3406800]Here's a story:
Many years ago, my wife and I spent a lot of time with her friends. One friend in particular, Melanie, was always helping us. Among other things, she designed our wedding rings and her boyfriend, a chef, made our wedding cake. Because of all her help, we would occasionally take her out for dinner or drinks.
Another friend, Keri often wanted to tag along. The trouble was, Keri never had any money. She always expected someone to pay for her. She would promise to pick up the tab next time, but next time she would be broke again.
One night we had dropped in on Melanie and decided to take her to dinner. Before we could leave, Keri came over and started hinting she wanted to join us. Of course she also mentioned she had no money. We ignored the hints until she left. About 5 minutes later Keri called Melanie, complaining about not being invited. Melanie tried to explain the situation. My wife and I invited Melanie, as thanks for the wedding help. Melanie was not in a position to invite Keri when Keri had no means to pay. Keri ended the call with "I don't even like that restaurant and I have better things to do. ".
Declining something that was never offered, never earned, is incredibly childish, no matter how you phrase it.
Sara pointed out the truth, you're abrasive and argumentative in the forums. She didn't want that type of behavior in her home. Except for the people she already knew, the only way to determine our personalities was from our forum posts. There are at least 100 members, probably great guys, who were never invited because they seldom post.
Here's some advice which you will ignore: give it a rest.
Step away from the forum for awhile, take a break. Let it all fade away. In a month or so, come back, post a review or two, offer a suggestion or some advice. If you have a problem with something posted, talk with the person through PM. Try to understand their reasons.
If you must take your grievances public, stick strictly to the issue. Stay away from personal attacks, avoid the tit-for-tat responses. There are several members who you will never win against in the court of public opinion. If you try to do so, the only reputation that suffers is your own.[/QUOTE]She took the time to insult me by stating I was never and wouldn't be invited. It was neither necessary nor had much of any other point than to be insulting. I never asked to be invited, nor would I ever have been interested. That's not being nasty, it is simply the truth. Even when M&G's were discussed on NR a few years ago, I was never interested and stated so. Would scare the hell out of me, and the last interest I have ever had in the hobby is hanging out with other dudes, even in the presence of a few providers. Hers was pompous and unnecessary for her to insert herself into the issue, and whether you agree or not, is not my concern. And your story was completely unrelated. You're comparing someone that wanted something for nothing to me, who never wanted anything from Sarag.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3406931]She took the time to insult me by stating I was never and wouldn't be invited. It was neither necessary nor had much of any other point than to be insulting. I never asked to be invited, nor would I ever have been interested. That's not being nasty, it is simply the truth. Even when M&G's were discussed on NR a few years ago, I was never interested and stated so. Would scare the hell out of me, and the last interest I have ever had in the hobby is hanging out with other dudes, even in the presence of a few providers. Hers was pompous and unnecessary for her to insert herself into the issue, and whether you agree or not, is not my concern. And your story was completely unrelated. You're comparing someone that wanted something for nothing to me, who never wanted anything from Sarag.[/QUOTE]I love this quote:
From Defending your life:
Fear is like a giant fog. It sits on your brain and blocks everything. Real feelings, true happiness, real joy. They can't get through that fog. But you lift it, and buddy, you're in for the ride of your life.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3406931]She took the time to insult me by stating I was never and wouldn't be invited. It was neither necessary nor had much of any other point than to be insulting. I never asked to be invited, nor would I ever have been interested. That's not being nasty, it is simply the truth. Even when M&G's were discussed on NR a few years ago, I was never interested and stated so. Would scare the hell out of me, and the last interest I have ever had in the hobby is hanging out with other dudes, even in the presence of a few providers. Hers was pompous and unnecessary for her to insert herself into the issue, and whether you agree or not, is not my concern. And your story was completely unrelated. You're comparing someone that wanted something for nothing to me, who never wanted anything from Sarag.[/QUOTE]One thing the restaurants down here almost always do, even the cheap places where meals are $3, they give out candy. I don't eat much candy but I save it for when my roommate is grumpy. If I had an address, I'd box up a bunch of lollipops and send them to you to hold you over until mommy can come and kiss your boo boo.
Sara never insulted you. There's no reason. You're already insulting yourself every time you post. She stated her reasons for not inviting you to the meet and greet.
"His postings can be rather unsavory so a consideration of offering an invite was not even on the table. ".
Your postings can be rather unsavory. Someone earlier assumed you were the person, MrEnvious, who had his invitation revoked. Sara corrected that mistake. She then went on to give her opinion of all the people involved in this discussion. All of the people she mentioned, except you, are people she has face to face experience with.
Whether you would have accepted an invitation, if offered, is not the issue. Sara's comment was a simple explanation of why she has never met you. If you're feeling insulted because your behavior on the board has given people a bad impression of you, you should change your behavior, or as I already suggested, step away until at least one of your heads is capable of behaving like an adult.
This is no place for 10 year olds. If you can't act like an adult go back to the playground.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3407129]
Sara never insulted you. There's no reason. You're already insulting yourself every time you post. She stated her reasons for not inviting you to the meet and greet.
"His postings can be rather unsavory so a consideration of offering an invite was not even on the table. ".[/QUOTE]The only reason she said this was to take a cheap jab, there's no other reason.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3407129]This is no place for 10 year olds. If you can't act like an adult go back to the playground.[/QUOTE]This should be said to Sara.
Being fat and ugly would be hard enough, why throw stupid in on top of that.
[QUOTE=Sarag;3406942]I love this quote:
From Defending your life:
Fear is like a giant fog. It sits on your brain and blocks everything. Real feelings, true happiness, real joy. They can't get through that fog. But you lift it, and buddy, you're in for the ride of your life.[/QUOTE]OMG. LOL. What are you going on about? Sheesh.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3407129]One thing the restaurants down here almost always do, even the cheap places where meals are $3, they give out candy. I don't eat much candy but I save it for when my roommate is grumpy. If I had an address, I'd box up a bunch of lollipops and send them to you to hold you over until mommy can come and kiss your boo boo.
Sara never insulted you. There's no reason. You're already insulting yourself every time you post. She stated her reasons for not inviting you to the meet and greet.
"His postings can be rather unsavory so a consideration of offering an invite was not even on the table. ".
Your postings can be rather unsavory. Someone earlier assumed you were the person, MrEnvious, who had his invitation revoked. Sara corrected that mistake. She then went on to give her opinion of all the people involved in this discussion. All of the people she mentioned, except you, are people she has face to face experience with.
Whether you would have accepted an invitation, if offered, is not the issue. Sara's comment was a simple explanation of why she has never met you. If you're feeling insulted because your behavior on the board has given people a bad impression of you, you should change your behavior, or as I already suggested, step away until at least one of your heads is capable of behaving like an adult.
This is no place for 10 year olds. If you can't act like an adult go back to the playground.[/QUOTE]So she gave her reason why we've never met, but if I were to give MY reason why we've never met, I'd be moderated by A2 or chastised for being mean, smh. Whatever man.
As for your suggestions, I'm not here to make friends with guys. Nor even women. If you've lost sight of the intent of the board, which is to get laid, maybe you should take a step back. Or at the very least, STFU because I have no interest in your opinion on me.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3407178]So she gave her reason why we've never met, but if I were to give MY reason why we've never met, I'd be moderated by A2 or chastised for being mean, smh. Whatever man.
As for your suggestions, I'm not here to make friends with guys. Nor even women. If you've lost sight of the intent of the board, which is to get laid, maybe you should take a step back. Or at the very least, STFU because I have no interest in your opinion on me.[/QUOTE]The reason why I make the suggestions is because the purpose of the board is to get laid.
Any idiot can find a cheap junkie off of BP or CL, and they will often get laid for their efforts. Other times they get scammed, stood up or robbed, but that's what happens when you only scrape from the bottom of the barrel.
The farther down the food chain you hunt, the greater the risks. This forum helps to reduce those risks. One of the ways is to get you access to a better class of provider. However, the better class of providers aren't just worried about keeping their needles filled. They are thinking about more than getting to their pharmacist. They're supporting a life, instead of supporting a habit.
That's where my suggestions would benefit you, if you ever mature enough to pay attention. Between Ilapp, FF, IG and Sara, they are at most 2 steps away from almost every quality provider within a 150 mile radius. Every time you try to attack one of them, your bad reputation spreads a little bit further. Each time your ability to get laid goes down.
None of that matters to me. If I want to scrape the bottom of the barrel here, it only costs me $20, that includes 2 - $4 taxi rides. If I want to limit myself to 8-10 women I never have to spend more than $70. My ability to get laid greatly exceeds my ability to lay.
By all means continue. Fortunately for you, Indianapolis is unlikely to run out of junkies anytime soon, so you've got that going for you.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3407233]The reason why I make the suggestions is because the purpose of the board is to get laid.
Any idiot can find a cheap junkie off of BP or CL, and they will often get laid for their efforts. Other times they get scammed, stood up or robbed, but that's what happens when you only scrape from the bottom of the barrel.
The farther down the food chain you hunt, the greater the risks. This forum helps to reduce those risks. One of the ways is to get you access to a better class of provider. However, the better class of providers aren't just worried about keeping their needles filled. They are thinking about more than getting to their pharmacist. They're supporting a life, instead of supporting a habit.
That's where my suggestions would benefit you, if you ever mature enough to pay attention. Between Ilapp, FF, IG and Sara, they are at most 2 steps away from almost every quality provider within a 150 mile radius. Every time you try to attack one of them, your bad reputation spreads a little bit further. Each time your ability to get laid goes down.
None of that matters to me. If I want to scrape the bottom of the barrel here, it only costs me $20, that includes 2 - $4 taxi rides. If I want to limit myself to 8-10 women I never have to spend more than $70. My ability to get laid greatly exceeds my ability to lay.
By all means continue. Fortunately for you, Indianapolis is unlikely to run out of junkies anytime soon, so you've got that going for you.[/QUOTE]You just can't help yourself from keeping it going, can you? I think I've made it clear I don't scrape the bottom, and avoid the junkies. I've been fooled a time or two, yes, and reported that behavior. Your buddy removed the warning from the relevant thread, moron. Who's enabling them? It isn't me.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3407342]You just can't help yourself from keeping it going, can you? I think I've made it clear I don't scrape the bottom, and avoid the junkies. I've been fooled a time or two, yes, and reported that behavior. Your buddy removed the warning from the relevant thread, moron. Who's enabling them? It isn't me.[/QUOTE]Last word.
Na na boo boo, stick your head in doodoo.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3407342]You just can't help yourself from keeping it going, can you? I think I've made it clear I don't scrape the bottom, and avoid the junkies. I've been fooled a time or two, yes, and reported that behavior. Your buddy removed the warning from the relevant thread, moron. Who's enabling them? It isn't me.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I stopped having buddies and calling people "dude" some time during the Reagan administration.
Problem is, it wasn't in the relevant thread. It was in a user blog, started and maintained by FF. Neither you nor I have any posting rights in that blog. Everything is solely at his discretion.
If you feel your post belongs in a user blog, create a user blog. Except for personally identifying info, you can put anything you want there and delete anything you don't want.
As for scraping the bottom of the barrel, if you're here to get laid, that's all that will soon be available to you. With every post you show why nobody would want to see you.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get ready for dinner. There's a gorgeous 22 year old, who has already introduced me to 4 other sweethearts, that wants to spend some time with me.
That's the benefit of not being a dick.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3407362]Sorry, I stopped having buddies and calling people "dude" some time during the Reagan administration.
Problem is, it wasn't in the relevant thread. It was in a user blog, started and maintained by FF. Neither you nor I have any posting rights in that blog. Everything is solely at his discretion.
If you feel your post belongs in a user blog, create a user blog. Except for personally identifying info, you can put anything you want there and delete anything you don't want.
As for scraping the bottom of the barrel, if you're here to get laid, that's all that will soon be available to you. With every post you show why nobody would want to see you.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get ready for dinner. There's a gorgeous 22 year old, who has already introduced me to 4 other sweethearts, that wants to spend some time with me.
That's the benefit of not being a dick.[/QUOTE]LOL. Uh huh. Sure man.
However with these posts it seems you have changed your demeanor. I personally don't care if you take this road, because it's pretty normal in this thread, so have at it.
Point 1.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;3407164]The only reason she said this was to take a cheap jab, there's no other reason.
This should be said to Sara.[/QUOTE]Point 2.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;3407170]Being fat and ugly would be hard enough, why throw stupid in on top of that.[/QUOTE]Point 1: Sara listed and said things about 9 people, TA2 was just one. Even though she named him she explained why "Anyone" who acts like him wouldn't be invited, he was just the example, which follows with the previous posts. Jab or not, it's her explanation for who is and who is not on an invite list.
Point 2: Really!? This one is a ten year old comment! The wonderful thing about the hobby is the variety of providers and mongers that are available. Some like the more mature, clean, BBW type and would jump over your emaciated, gap type, heroin addict ladies that you fancy so much. Hey if that's your choice of a lady so be it, not my place to judge. However don't cut down someone because they aren't your type. I know that if I was given two choices, your type or the mature, clean BBW type, I would pick the BBW type any day of the week. Not because that is the body style that I prefer, but because she is clean.
Maybe I am wrong but what you posted seems like the Drama you like to shy away from.
Sorry for the inconvenient truth that does not support agendas to denigrate a certain member of this board. But I never witnessed nor would be party to intimidating or harassment of a provider for the purposes of getting freebies. And anyone who thinks that I would I take particular offense to the accusation.
Operation Leslie:
What did not happen:
No freebies were negotiated in my presence.
No promises to report that Leslie was clean from drugs.
No promises of any kind in exchange for services were negotiated, implied, inferred, hinted at, expected, etc, ect, ect.
Indyguy was not present at the restaurant.
What did happen:
I along with a couple of others were lured into her apartment, allowed to undress, money was taken to the back of the apartment and her boyfriend chased you off with weapons (heard a report of a shotgun, in my case it was some long object that looked like a portion of a bedframe).
A few guys from the board put up warning ads on BP to inform people not on the boards of the dangers of being robbed. Additionally some of us were booking appointments on burners virtually around the clock to keep her from busy so she couldn't rob people.
She sat down with FF and myself at a restaurant and we discussed our community, how we look out for each other, that we knew who she was and the perils of her behavior. Let her know some mongers pack so what she is doing is down right dangerous. The only thing we asked was for her to stop robbing people. That there would be continued disruption to her activities that included contacting the police if she continued to rob people.
Link to posts directly following the meeting at the restaurant. Only reporting that she says she won't rob people. Again consistent with what I have been saying. In fact FF states there is continued pharmacological issues and to proceed with caution. I flat out did not give my endorsement nor do I still. Don't go near her. All you are doing is enabling an addict.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7746-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2787112&viewfull=1#post2787112[/URL]
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3407770]Sorry for the inconvenient truth that does not support agendas to denigrate a certain member of this board. But I never witnessed nor would be party to intimidating or harassment of a provider for the purposes of getting freebies. And anyone who thinks that I would I take particular offense to the accusation.
Operation Leslie:
What did not happen:
No freebies were negotiated in my presence.
No promises to report that Leslie was clean from drugs.
No promises of any kind in exchange for services were negotiated, implied, inferred, hinted at, expected, etc, ect, ect.
Indyguy was not present at the restaurant.
What did happen:
I along with a couple of others were lured into her apartment, allowed to undress, money was taken to the back of the apartment and her boyfriend chased you off with weapons (heard a report of a shotgun, in my case it was some long object that looked like a portion of a bedframe).
A few guys from the board put up warning ads on BP to inform people not on the boards of the dangers of being robbed. Additionally some of us were booking appointments on burners virtually around the clock to keep her from busy so she couldn't rob people.
She sat down with FF and myself at a restaurant and we discussed our community, how we look out for each other, that we knew who she was and the perils of her behavior. Let her know some mongers pack so what she is doing is down right dangerous. The only thing we asked was for her to stop robbing people. That there would be continued disruption to her activities that included contacting the police if she continued to rob people.
Link to posts directly following the meeting at the restaurant. Only reporting that she says she won't rob people. Again consistent with what I have been saying. In fact FF states there is continued pharmacological issues and to proceed with caution. I flat out did not give my endorsement nor do I still. Don't go near her. All you are doing is enabling an addict.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7746-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2787112&viewfull=1#post2787112[/URL][/QUOTE]Just link the post. After the meeting. FF went back to Leslie's apartment to partake in services and gave a positive review. That's the rest of the story left out. Not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing. I simply don't care but if you're going to tell a story. Tell the whole story.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2787090]Another monger and I met with Daisy / Leslie today to discuss her and her BF's past actions. The meeting went well and she informed us the BF is no longer in the picture because of his actions and other reasons. At this time we believe this young lady has changed her stripes and she is willing to show everyone that she is on the up and up.
I had a short session with her at her apartment. Yes it's dirty and she knows it and is working on cleaning it up for visitors. She prefers to stay in the body rub area of services for customers and endings are happy. Other menu items can be discussed if she feels comfortable. The best number to contact her is on the ad below. Her business was severely hurt by the efforts of the members of this board. I truly believe everyone helped turn the tide on this young lady.
[URL]http://indianapolis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/hi-there-guys-looking-for-an-amazing-time/14663385[/URL]
I think she is worth the experience for the price. Her dangerous habit, the BF is no longer around, however she still is working on getting rid of her other bad habit which requires a pharmacist.
FF.
P.S. She does have some light freckles on her stomach and back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IndyAnon;3407899]Just link the post. After the meeting. FF went back to Leslie's apartment to partake in services and gave a positive review. That's the rest of the story left out. Not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing. I simply don't care but if you're going to tell a story. Tell the whole story.[/QUOTE]I wasn't there for that part. I can't speak for what happened 100%. Just saying that no freebie was negotiated in my presence and was not part of any agreement or discussion about what we posted. Because this topic came up I asked FF and he told me no freebie was not offered.
Edit:
FWIW when FF and I met up after we discussed if we believed her or not. He showed me some fliers he had already printed up that went unused. I still expressed doubt about her sincerity but figured it was worth giving her a chance. He really left it up to me what we were to post next and whether the Operation was over. I really didn't get any feeling he had a competing agenda other than to help me out after getting robbed.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3407363]LOL. Uh huh. Sure man.[/QUOTE]The funny and sad thing is your disbelief is rooted in the fact such a thing could never happen to you.
Almost 4 years ago I was nice to a very sweet 18 yr old online. I talked to her, was respectful and she enjoyed my behavior. Over the following months I continued to be nice and we became friends. After being friends for over a year I decided to spend my vacation visiting her country.
We met, we talked and the whole time I was nice. She bought me lunch, bought me presents and introduced me to a friend. I returned home and we remained friends, in contact almost every day and I continued to be nice. She introduced me (online) to a few of her female friends and I was nice to them too.
Then about 6 months ago, she asked if I would consider moving to Colombia. She offered me a job and promised to put me in touch with the local version of Hugh Hefner (circa 1960) who also had a job for me. She told me she had a nice apartment for me, that I would share with one of her friends (who is almost 25, cute and sweet). I accepted.
I've been here for 8 weeks now. The weather is great, the apartment is great and my roommate is great. I've been introduced to a lot of people including the guy I'll just call Hugh. One of my neighbors is a top model who travels the world. In fact about 20 of my neighbors are models, most working for Hugh. Last week I conducted a training seminar for over 200 models, although all but 12 were watching online. I think they are calling me the new gringo and everyone is nice and friendly.
Last night, as a thank you, I invited my now 22 year old, gorgeous friend and her fiancee to dinner. We ate, talked and discussed plans for the future. Our dinner lasted for 2 hours and I picked up the tab, a whopping $32 at a very good restaurant. Today I'll be spending the holiday with my roommate's family (It's Ascension Day in Colombia).
As Sara said, I'm living the dream. Everywhere I go it's like I wandered into a beauty pageant. In Indy, I'd sit in a restaurant and rate the women, usually there was one or two 8's, sometimes a 9 and rarely a 10. Here, I rarely see a 7 or lower.
All because a long time ago I decided that being nice to people is better than being an asshole.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3407942]I wasn't there for that part. I can't speak for what happened 100%. Just saying that no freebie was negotiated in my presence and was not part of any agreement or discussion about what we posted. Because this topic came up I asked FF and he told me no freebie was not offered.
Edit:
FWIW when FF and I met up after we discussed if we believed her or not. He showed me some fliers he had already printed up that went unused. I still expressed doubt about her sincerity but figured it was worth giving her a chance. He really left it up to me what we were to post next and whether the Operation was over. I really didn't get any feeling he had a competing agenda other than to help me out after getting robbed.[/QUOTE]Thank you for elaborating. That is a very fair post.
[QUOTE=IndyAnon;3407899]Just link the post. After the meeting. FF went back to Leslie's apartment to partake in services and gave a positive review. That's the rest of the story left out. Not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing. I simply don't care but if you're going to tell a story. Tell the whole story.[/QUOTE]When Lance and I met with her, and I believe he will confirm this, she was shaking, sweating and admitted she hadn't had her dope for the day and was in withdrawl. After the meeting (s) I did go back and have a session with her as described in the post you quoted. Here is the rest of the story and Lance wasn't there so he wouldn't have any knowledge. She told me she was dope sick and hadn't been able to earn any money because of Operation Leslie and that she was bad off. She asked me was I going to pay her and I told her I don't do freebies and asked how much she required. She wanted a Franklin for her services so she could get some badly needed dope. I agreed and then I did I did a stupid thing because she said she needed a ride to meet her pharmacist. I drove her up to around Keystone and Minnesota and she got out of my car and met with a AA guy driving a white GMC SUV. While she was with the dope man buying the boy she so desperately needed, I was on the phone with Ilapp, to make sure I was safe. She got back in my car and I took her back to her Greenwood apartment. On the way back I asked her why she didn't have any track marks for a serious addict. She told me she does about 2 grams a day and has one vein that she uses and is able to always shoot in the same spot. This is rare for a mainliner but it explains the lack of track marks. I dropped her off and never saw her again nor have I had any desire to.
Did I enable her, absolutely, but only because I could tell she was very dope sick and in hard withdrawl. There were a lot of other things I learned about her that day that won't be told. It was several months after our meeting before she returned to some of her old habits like cash and dash and the whole thing with Rene. She never got clean as far as I know, even when she was living with the monger from this board who died. From what I have heard through reliable sources is she is still using, still providing BBFS including BB anal. So those of you that love this type of play, have at it.
Now if anyone wants to make an assumption that all of this is a lie, go ahead and have at it. PM, text and e-mail whoever you want because anyone who disputes these first person facts wasn't there! Those making the assumptions are basing their information on lies and a personal vendetta. Nuff said!
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3407406]However with these posts it seems you have changed your demeanor. I personally don't care if you take this road, because it's pretty normal in this thread, so have at it.
Point 1.
Point 2.
Point 1: Sara listed and said things about 9 people, TA2 was just one. Even though she named him she explained why "Anyone" who acts like him wouldn't be invited, he was just the example, which follows with the previous posts. Jab or not, it's her explanation for who is and who is not on an invite list.
Point 2: Really!? This one is a ten year old comment! The wonderful thing about the hobby is the variety of providers and mongers that are available. Some like the more mature, clean, BBW type and would jump over your emaciated, gap type, heroin addict ladies that you fancy so much. Hey if that's your choice of a lady so be it, not my place to judge. However don't cut down someone because they aren't your type. I know that if I was given two choices, your type or the mature, clean BBW type, I would pick the BBW type any day of the week. Not because that is the body style that I prefer, but because she is clean.
Maybe I am wrong but what you posted seems like the Drama you like to shy away from.[/QUOTE]I don't like drama, none of this shit is dramatic to me.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3407952]The funny and sad thing is your disbelief is rooted in the fact such a thing could never happen to you.
Almost 4 years ago I was nice to a very sweet 18 yr old online. I talked to her, was respectful and she enjoyed my behavior. Over the following months I continued to be nice and we became friends. After being friends for over a year I decided to spend my vacation visiting her country.
We met, we talked and the whole time I was nice. She bought me lunch, bought me presents and introduced me to a friend. I returned home and we remained friends, in contact almost every day and I continued to be nice. She introduced me (online) to a few of her female friends and I was nice to them too.
Then about 6 months ago, she asked if I would consider moving to Colombia. She offered me a job and promised to put me in touch with the local version of Hugh Hefner (circa 1960) who also had a job for me. She told me she had a nice apartment for me, that I would share with one of her friends (who is almost 25, cute and sweet). I accepted.
I've been here for 8 weeks now. The weather is great, the apartment is great and my roommate is great. I've been introduced to a lot of people including the guy I'll just call Hugh. One of my neighbors is a top model who travels the world. In fact about 20 of my neighbors are models, most working for Hugh. Last week I conducted a training seminar for over 200 models, although all but 12 were watching online. I think they are calling me the new gringo and everyone is nice and friendly.
Last night, as a thank you, I invited my now 22 year old, gorgeous friend and her fiancee to dinner. We ate, talked and discussed plans for the future. Our dinner lasted for 2 hours and I picked up the tab, a whopping $32 at a very good restaurant. Today I'll be spending the holiday with my roommate's family (It's Ascension Day in Colombia).
As Sara said, I'm living the dream. Everywhere I go it's like I wandered into a beauty pageant. In Indy, I'd sit in a restaurant and rate the women, usually there was one or two 8's, sometimes a 9 and rarely a 10. Here, I rarely see a 7 or lower.
All because a long time ago I decided that being nice to people is better than being an asshole.[/QUOTE]First, that you keep spending as much time writing what is completely irrelevant and off-base for someone getting laid in paradise as much as you are.
Second, that you equate my discussion on this board as who I am, which tells me your identity must be tied up in your online persona. Mine isn't.
I don't believe I've ever had a woman, provider or otherwise, complain about my behavior or level of respect in person. I've had a few tiffs on here over the years with women who either didn't like my review AFTER meeting her, or didn't like my report of flakey, sketchy behavior or standing me up. And, the one FF keeps dishonestly bringing up, the AA provider named Kimmie on NR that fabricated a story of me stalking her (ask him about reports of him and I think Lisa? - I don't know the story but they weren't good, if true). Anyone that was on NR at the time probably remembers Kimmie's story, how she was confusing several user names and making an erroneous assumption that we were one in the same, and that she posted her own text records, that completely supported my own story that we had simply become text friends for awhile, she invited me out (only as friends), and then she turned psycho BEFORE WE EVER EVEN MET. The whole problem was that she wanted to go out and expected me to buy her dinner & drinks while she skeeved the bars for some civie action. She freaked out when I said I wasn't interested in financing her night out only to see her go home with someone else. I wasn't expecting her to go home with me, but wasn't interested in that. We never actually even met, as provider / client or otherwise. And I certainly never stalked her like FF keeps dishonestly trying to state.
In fact, I've sacrificed my "reputation" on here and on the old NR to defend or support providers. Some might remember a young Asian provider who was being trashed dishonestly in retaliation for leaving her handler. After much effort, I got the guy banned and her reputation straightened out.
And this whole dust up between FF and I started when I was told by another, well-trusted monger, that Lance gave a VERY different story about operation Leslie than is being reported now. While I do not have proof of that at all, the other party has zero motivation now or back then that I can see to fabricate anything. And as I read below, their story seems to. keep changing slightly also. The very different story came to me, not to gossip, but because FF was trying to begin "Operation Journey" and she did nothing to deserve what I was told he could be planning to do to her. In fact, he admitted to me via PM that he was contacting her on multiple numbers and "So what?" despite her lack of response and obvious unwillingness to meet him. All evidence I was getting and seeing supported the story I was being told. Now, I could have either done nothing and and let what I was told was going to happen proceed to someone I really liked and found innocent, or I could jump in and cause a stir and distraction to try to prevent it. I wasn't concerned with my "reputation" when considering what to do, and I still don't care. I also didn't expect to get an honest answer to a PM from someone planning what I was told he was planning, so that wasn't a viable option to protect her either.
Was the story I was given wrong? I'm still not convinced either way. I don't give a shit either. She was safe and mission accomplished, despite FF threatening me via PM to trash my reputation on the board and that other senior guys were questioning my integrity. Specifically, according to FF, HFoW, Illap, JohnnyZ and he supposedly had a discussion together about my behavior and how I'm not to be trusted. I've met two of the three years ago, along with another I won't name who is PM'ing me in support of what's going on. Was I a dick in their view back then? Not that I remember, and if they think so now, so be it.
As for being a dick, as you say JJbee, I have providers I've still maintained friendship with even though they're out of the hobby. I've had free overnights (offered, no way I could afford an overnight fee and didn't demand it or trade a review for it) despite only paying an hourly rate. Have I been guilty of asking someone out to drinks or dinner when I thought I clicked with her? Yup. Some turned me down, which was fine. Some didn't though. I wasn't asking for sex for free, just offered some time together out. I don't think that makes me sketchy either. Think what you want (or what FF tells you to think if you want, LOL). 'Don't feel bad about it nor that there was anything wrong with it. Hell, even "Stacy / M", who I've been warning people about, just texted me this morning. I've ignored the text, but she's aware of what I've said about her on here. A non-addict wouldn't be interested in seeing me after what I've reported about her, nor would she if I was such a dick in person, wouldn't you agree?
As for answering anything else on this subject, I've said all I plan to. Reply, respond, advise, haze, criticize, I don't care. I'm sure FF will have something to say and he can have at it. Anyone can think what they want of me and any provider reading these can feel any way they feel appropriate as well.
Peace out.
I'm not quoting, because why quote something that is useless. Keep trying my friend you just can't, won't or are completely unable to see the light through the darkness.
Lisa / Veronica and reports of FF as a stalker. I think this entire question was answered by Ilapp in his response post to you. Stalked victims don't beg for phone numbers they run the other way, FAST! Nuff Said.
Journey as in "Operation Journey". What a joke, because you made that "Operation" up, not me. Why don't you re-read my post below. Not only did I apologize to her, but I have put her on the good list. I still have never met her and I really don't care if I ever do because she is not my type. From what I have heard you are the one she had some past issues with, but again that is just hearsay.
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I really don't care how you play your game, I just care about how you insinuate the way I play mine, especially when you don't have a fucking clue as to what you are saying as substantiated by all the responses to your accusations. The only two people who were at "Operation Leslie" have told the truth, yet both are liars. Makes perfect sense to me and everyone else on this board except for clueless you!
Lastly I don't need to trash your reputation, you have done a good enough job doing it all by yourself. Oh, wait, you said you don't care about your reputation. I guess that's why you started all of this in the first place, huh? I know why you really started it, because you believed that a drug addict fell for you. I get that, been there and done that. But what you haven't told everyone is, you were told from the beginning that she was and addict and didn't want to believe it. I'm sorry, but knowing up front the situation and giving them $ is what I call enabling. Now get over it and move on with your life. Somebody, somewhere deserves you, heaven help you both!
I don't know what else to add. I even provided screen shots of the PMs last year between the unnamed monger and myself to TAZ (editing out text written by the other monger) in which I described the operation to said monger. The details never changed. If that monger and A2 agree I'll publish them here. I'm think it's against the terms of use. The story was the same on 2/6/16 as it was on 7/10/16 as it is today. Please stop saying that I ever said anything else!
Update: I even copied said Monger on the reply. TAZ is emailing me saying someone is lying to him. And saying either myself or the other monger is lying. I'm trying to calm him down telling him what I've told him is true. If the other monger has a different story, I don't think he is intentionally lying to you. That I lived the events, monger 2 is only recalling what was told to him. So monger #2 can you PM me if that's not an active email anymore? Can you review the PM and confirm that was a real communication between us? Then tell TAZ? Sorry to ask this but this guy wouldn't know proof if it bit him in the testicles.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3408170]From what I have heard you are the one she had some past issues with, but again that is just hearsay.[/QUOTE]Not to my knowledge, nor that I've heard. I think it's more that you made it up than hearsay.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3408170]The only two people who were at "Operation Leslie" have told the truth, yet both are liars. [/QUOTE]That's not what I said below, I stated your stories have changed a bit, as is evidenced by other posts below. The monger that gave me the info has not changed one single detail of what he related to me in several months time. Consistency is his, not yours or Lance's.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3408170] ... because you believed that a drug addict fell for you. I get that, been there and done that. But what you haven't told everyone is, you were told from the beginning that she was and addict and didn't want to believe it. I'm sorry, but knowing up front the situation and giving them $ is what I call enabling. [/QUOTE]Again, you are mistaken or lying. I didn't believe anything from her. I didn't appreciate the games. And I was not told up front that Stacy was a current drug addict, and in fact Bob was convinced himself that she was not, so he wouldn't have told you that either. Past and current are different words, you should look them up.
As for my rep, I DON'T care! Especially not for your opinion. But I did want to clear the air. I have done so, and will keep doing so if you continue with your spinning and lying. I am done otherwise. Can you move on?
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408222]Not to my knowledge, nor that I've heard. I think it's more that you made it up than hearsay.
That's not what I said below, I stated your stories have changed a bit, as is evidenced by other posts below. The monger that gave me the info has not changed one single detail of what he related to me in several months time. Consistency is his, not yours or Lance's.
Again, you are mistaken or lying. I didn't believe anything from her. I didn't appreciate the games. And I was not told up front that Stacy was a current drug addict, and in fact Bob was convinced himself that she was not, so he wouldn't have told you that either. Past and current are different words, you should look them up.
As for my rep, I DON'T care! Especially not for your opinion. But I did want to clear the air. I have done so, and will keep doing so if you continue with your spinning and lying. I am done otherwise. Can you move on?[/QUOTE]What in my story has changed and what would you consider proof? Did you get the screen shots?
I'll challenge you to make something other than a vague baseless statement. And then go ghost because you can't back up what you say. Months?!? My story has been the same for over a year!
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408112]
And this whole dust up between FF and I started when I was told by another, well-trusted monger, that Lance gave a VERY different story about operation Leslie than is being reported now. While I do not have proof of that at all, the other party has zero motivation now or back then that I can see to fabricate anything. And as I read below, their story seems to. keep changing slightly also.[/QUOTE]You don't have proof because proof to support your baseless statement doesn't exist. Please explain how the story changes.
TAZ has no proof but I do. Want to see the communication between me and the well-trusted monger on July 10th 2016? Inbox me with an email address. Then it will be, who is lying TAZ? You or the well trusted monger?
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3408232]What in my story has changed and what would you consider proof? Did you get the screen shots?
I'll challenge you to make something other than a vague baseless statement. And then go ghost because you can't back up what you say. Months?!? My story has been the same for over a year![/QUOTE]I haven't lied about anything, and I also have screenshots telling the story I was told. I don't need to share them with anyone. I'm done with this, not going ghost. Just tiring of all of it.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408391]I haven't lied about anything, and I also have screenshots telling the story I was told. I don't need to share them with anyone. I'm done with this, not going ghost. Just tiring of all of it.[/QUOTE]Was anyone who was actually there writing in your screen shots? How convenient, you won't show them to anyone. It's ok, I wouldn't want you to tire over it.
You came to me and I patiently explained myself, searched my email for the conversation to Monger #2. You threatened to be a dick (your words) and publicly out me for lying. I say bring it on because my story never changed. And you won't show your suddenly acquired proof because you are tired. Let me know if I got anything wrong. And if anyone is interested, I will show all of these screenshots. Monger #2 and FF have seen them as well. But end of the day no one gives a shit. So I'll drop it and let you save face if you do.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408391]I haven't lied about anything, and I also have screenshots telling the story I was told. I don't need to share them with anyone. I'm done with this, not going ghost. Just tiring of all of it.[/QUOTE]Just a little side note. You've behaved atrociously. I've been accommodating and patient with you given our long history corresponding. You repaid me with accusations of dishonestly, threats of publiclay outing for what ever you think I've done and complete disrespect. You are a hateful little man and I don't care for you anymore. Everyone to you is something to use and you get nasty when you don't get your way. Just a little warning for those unlucky enough to mistake you for a potential friend.
Update: exactly zero people have asked for screen shots. No one cares!
Just curious, has anyone Googled their username for this site? I did and my reviews from this site popped up. Not what I expected. Not as private as I naively thought.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3408442]Just a little side note. You've behaved atrociously. I've been accommodating and patient with you given our long history corresponding. You repaid me with accusations of dishonestly, threats of publiclay outing for what ever you think I've done and complete disrespect. You are a hateful little man and I don't care for you anymore. Everyone to you is something to use and you get nasty when you don't get your way. Just a little warning for those unlucky enough to mistake you for a potential friend.
Update: exactly zero people have asked for screen shots. No one cares![/QUOTE]I wasn't trying to disrespect you, and for that I apologize. It's been frustrating, yes and I could've handled it differently with you. I said I won't share the screen texts because as you said, no one else really does care. And more importantly, I meant on the board. If YOU want them, I can email, but at this point it's probably not worth either of our time. I won't return your disdain for me in your post above with anything further.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408112]First, that you keep spending as much time writing what is completely irrelevant and off-base for someone getting laid in paradise as much as you are.
Second, that you equate my discussion on this board as who I am, which tells me your identity must be tied up in your online persona. Mine isn't.
[/QUOTE]We'll deal with the second paragraph first. My identity isn't tied up in my online persona. My online persona is a reflection of who I am. It's been that way for over 25 years. I'm no different online than I am in person. The people who have met me can vouch for that.
Perhaps that's your problem. Online you're trying to be someone different. It's common enough. It usually causes issues when you meet online people in person.
Now to the first paragraph. Your reading comprehension is lacking. Never have I claimed to be getting laid. In fact, I just recently explained one of the reasons why I haven't been getting laid. But I won't dispute that I think Medellin is paradise. Several weeks ago I explained another reason.
I'm just starting a completely new direction in life. It's expensive to change direction at my age, especially when you head to a new country. While my boss probably doesn't care, I'd still not want to fuck this up just for another lay. Besides, everyone here seems intent on finding a woman for me. I can wait.
Nothing I've written has been irrelevant. Every post has directly addressed the post quoted. You expressed disbelief that I was having dinner with a gorgeous 22 year old and I provided a detailed explanation. Your disbelief doesn't affect my reality, but I do like to set the record straight.
As for spending so much time responding, I have plenty of free time. I work less than 20 hours per week, I rarely sleep more than 7 hours and I don't watch tv. I spend an hour or more each day walking and an hour studying Spanish. That leaves plenty of time to keep up to date on the various forums.
The rest of your post, which I edited out, is irrelevant. None of it pertains to the discussion between us. I have no opinion on the dispute and mutual accusations between you and FF, because I have no facts to support either side.
My posts to you have been to criticize how you expressed yourself, except for one sarcastic warning that you are unlikely to win a dispute against FF. I have offered advice and tried to be reasonable, but you seem to be lost in a world of narcissism. People must agree with you completely, or they are the enemy and must be attacked.
To illustrate an earlier point, I'm working while I write this. At this time my work consists of correcting my roommate's English as she writes stuff. I may put in some overtime and walk to the store for some beer.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408550]I wasn't trying to disrespect you, and for that I apologize. It's been frustrating, yes and I could've handled it differently with you. I said I won't share the screen texts because as you said, no one else really does care. And more importantly, I meant on the board. If YOU want them, I can email, but at this point it's probably not worth either of our time. I won't return your disdain for me in your post above with anything further.[/QUOTE]No need to make it into anything bigger than it is. Just a gentle realization of previous suspicions. You're a creep.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3408640]No need to make it into anything bigger than it is. Just a gentle realization of previous suspicions. You're a creep.[/QUOTE]'Appreciate your honest response to my apology.
[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408222]The monger that gave me the info has not changed one single detail of what he related to me in several months time. Consistency is his, not yours or Lance's.
Again, you are mistaken or lying. I didn't believe anything from her. I didn't appreciate the games. And I was not told up front that Stacy was a current drug addict, and in fact Bob was convinced himself that she was not, so he wouldn't have told you that either. Past and current are different words, you should look them up.[/QUOTE]I WAS wrong, see I can admit it when I realize it, you didn't know from the beginning that she was an active addict. However you were told later that she was and you continued to see her because you didn't believe the monger who told you. I find it interesting that the monger that you think demonstrates consistency in the Leslie story is the same monger that warned you about Stacy. I find it interesting that you use "consistency" when you want to back up your hearsay but that same monger is inconsistent with my hearsay. Well I also have screenshot proof of the consistent inconsistency of hearsay from mongers that were not present. You pick and choose what is consistent or not, depending on whether or not, it supports your position. Some of us don't have that luxury.
The Leslie story hasn't changed because it's the truth. The only difference is I posted additional information about it today that wasn't told before because back then if she stopped robbing people I didn't care what her habits were. She also told me she was going into rehab the following week and needed the money to get in. Well like most active addicts she lied.
At this point I am like Lance, JJbee, Untouchable, Ilapp tired of someone who if hit over the head with the truth will still openly deny it. So it's now time for the [B][red]IGNORE BUTTON[/red][/B].
According to A2, it's ok to publish content from a PM as long as the sender / recipient involved (that's not me) is not identified.
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm]
July 10, 2016 in PM to the unnamed Monger 2 when asked what I knew about Leslie
Her name is Leslie {edited, last name removed}. The boyfriend is {edited, complete name removed}. Easy to find on Facebook. Also you can google: {edited, removed search string to identify boyfriend in Google search} and you'll get all the pictures you never wanted of her loser boyfriend. He went to a dental surgeon and he pulled all of {edited, name} teeth because they were all rotten. He cried to the media no doubt trying to drum up sympathy for a lawsuit. Question: how many 21 yo's have all of their teeth rotten in their heads who aren't users?
What I said about being robbed happened. There are multiple reports from other members of the like as well. She doesn't rob everyone. So if you like your odds then go for it.
There also was operation Leslie. After I got robbed, myself, Indyguy and FF (possibly others) all started making appointments all over town. She had to blow a taxi driver to get home from one of them because she was broke. Put up ripoff ads all over BP. Brought her little scam to a screeching halt. Just as FF and I were about to put up fliers with their pictures and report them to Greenwood PD, she gave in and asked to negotiate. We sat down at a restaurant (myself, FF and Leslie) and we discussed what happened, the hobby community and how we lookout for one another. She promised that she was done with the boyfriend and robbing guys. We agreed to stop harassing her and mention her intentions to go straight in the forum. Along with a stern warning that if we hear of her ripping guys off we were going to forward with operation Leslie 2 and reporting her to the police. There have been more reports of ripoffs but FF says the reporters won't respond to PM's to confirm. So we haven't really been as motivated to make good on the warning.
That day we talked to her FF took her back to her nasty apartment and {edited, activity that I never actually had first hand knowledge of to begin with and no mention of payment or lack there of} her. I never got anything but chased out of her place naked. She offered me a freebee the day at the restaurant but I declined. I just wanted to see her do better with her life. And not put anyone in harms way, thinking what might happen when she tries to rob a guy packing heat.
Hope this helps. It's a little long. My interests are for general safety and the good of the community. Not vengeance for a meager $80 lost. Not saying don't go see her. Just don't go in blind like {edited, member that was an open apologist for Leslie in the forum, not Monger 2} suggests. Take care.
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