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A provider recently told me of an old client in Melbourne with a rekindled interest (RV) who contacted her on WYP and agreed to pay $$. She arrived at his home & he began chiseling. She agreed to take less even though his BO was horrendous & he had become hideously overweight. She serviced him as she agreed and then he scammed her out of her reduced fee. She got nothing. It's low life pigs like this animal that give we hobbyists who treat providers as humans a bad name and cause providers to demand cash up front as well as other demands.

[QUOTE=Richbal;6639495]A provider recently told me of an old client in Melbourne with a rekindled interest (RV) who contacted her on WYP and agreed to pay $$. She arrived at his home & he began chiseling. She agreed to take less even though his BO was horrendous & he had become hideously overweight. She serviced him as she agreed and then he scammed her out of her reduced fee. She got nothing. It's low life pigs like this animal that give we hobbyists who treat providers as humans a bad name and cause providers to demand cash up front as well as other demands.[/QUOTE]Who's the pig who's the provider??

Monger BF must be really desperate to get back in good with a certain provider to I haven't spoken her name in about a month, here I get a text begging I stop. , so much more I want to say but this forum has really gone to shit with mongers spreading lies about other mongers. So I will stick to the few I fuck with. Fuck off get a lift the few I don't fuck with anymore!

Bs out.

So lets break this down a bit to make it easier for anyone just getting to the thread. I was replying to one particular gentleman regarding his comments:

[QUOTE=Chico3;6652706]Went to Serenity today on Babcock for a 30 min massage. (details of topless hand job removed) 60 for the massage 1 benji for tip.[/QUOTE]I politely replied:

[QUOTE=DougStamper;6652929]While you're certainly able to tip as you wish, I was shocked you left a hundred for a top less handjob. You're moving the bar higher for those of us that can get FS for 1. 5 at similar locations.[/QUOTE]Then some ill-mannered jackass jumped in here:

[QUOTE=MickeyMstr3;6654507]I always treat them well and don't care who it drives away. If you are a cheap piece of garbage stay away, they don't need you, and you are just wasting time for the rest of us. If you can't afford it, then as mentioned you are in the wrong hobby that requires respect![/QUOTE]So look Mr. BigSpender, I wasn't talking to you, but let me retort. I do treat these women well. So nice that they don't feel the need to charge me 100 bucks to feel up their titties and get a hand job. If you choose (or are required to) overpay, that's your business. As I mentioned to start, you're certainly free to do so. But maybe the OP didn't realize it wasn't necessary. Maybe he also didn't realize that you can get FS at most of these places for another 50 on top of what he was already laying out. At the very least, maybe the other people reading might appreciate the heads up. Whatever the situation; it definitely doesn't mean I'm a cheap piece of garbage. Nor do you have any inkling of what income bracket I might be in. I think you should take a good long look at yourself before you start deciding who doesn't show respect.

Lastly, you're such a White Knight for the ladies at this establishment. Are you someone involved with the business? (Anyone that reads your rave reviews of these ladies is probably thinking the same thing.).

[QUOTE=DougStamper;6654814]So lets break this down a bit to make it easier for anyone just getting to the thread. I was replying to one particular gentleman regarding his comments:

I politely replied:

Then some ill-mannered jackass jumped in here:

So look Mr. BigSpender, I wasn't talking to you, but let me retort. I do treat these women well. So nice that they don't feel the need to charge me 100 bucks to feel up their titties and get a hand job. If you choose (or are required to) overpay, that's your business. As I mentioned to start, you're certainly free to do so. But maybe the OP didn't realize it wasn't necessary. Maybe he also didn't realize that you can get FS at most of these places for another 50 on top of what he was already laying out. At the very least, maybe the other people reading might appreciate the heads up. Whatever the situation; it definitely doesn't mean I'm a cheap piece of garbage. Nor do you have any inkling of what income bracket I might be in. I think you should take a good long look at yourself before you start deciding who doesn't show respect.

Lastly, you're such a White Knight for the ladies at this establishment. Are you someone involved with the business? (Anyone that reads your rave reviews of these ladies is probably thinking the same thing.).[/QUOTE]Doug. Your suspicions are correct. MickeyMstr3 IS the owner of Serenity & Mila on here posing as a monger. Her name is Serena. She goes by various aliases but its always the same shill posts for her shops. Your point was completely correct. That 1 bil for a topless HJ is ridiculous. She attacked you and is insinuating that you're cheap (though you're not) precisely because her entire business model is built on convincing mongers to pay FS-level tips for topless HJ level services. She & her girls get all of the benefits of a FS operation (without the risks. I've called her out repeatedly and told her that she'd be better off just being an advertiser on here (and being honest about who she is), but she insists on this stupid masquerade of pretending to be a monger. If you read some of her posts. What she writes is just laughable and so obviously a woman.

[QUOTE=DougStamper;6654814]So lets break this down a bit to make it easier for anyone just getting to the thread. I was replying to one particular gentleman regarding his comments:

I politely replied:

Then some ill-mannered jackass jumped in here:

So look Mr. BigSpender, I wasn't talking to you, but let me retort. I do treat these women well. So nice that they don't feel the need to charge me 100 bucks to feel up their titties and get a hand job. If you choose (or are required to) overpay, that's your business. As I mentioned to start, you're certainly free to do so. But maybe the OP didn't realize it wasn't necessary. Maybe he also didn't realize that you can get FS at most of these places for another 50 on top of what he was already laying out. At the very least, maybe the other people reading might appreciate the heads up. Whatever the situation; it definitely doesn't mean I'm a cheap piece of garbage. Nor do you have any inkling of what income bracket I might be in. I think you should take a good long look at yourself before you start deciding who doesn't show respect.

Lastly, you're such a White Knight for the ladies at this establishment. Are you someone involved with the business? (Anyone that reads your rave reviews of these ladies is probably thinking the same thing.).[/QUOTE]MickeyMstr3 you just don't seem to understand economics, business or markets. Therefore, I won't bother to respond to you in any detail. Pay what you wish.

Hey Willie here your type of women she's giving discounts today.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/melbourne-fl/female-escorts/caucasian_w/10off-all-donations-fun-fun-32/529657000465[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6659456]Hey Willie here your type of women she's giving discounts today.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/melbourne-fl/female-escorts/caucasian_w/10off-all-donations-fun-fun-32/529657000465[/URL][/QUOTE]Damn, that's cold!

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6659456]Hey Willie here your type of women she's giving discounts today.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/melbourne-fl/female-escorts/caucasian_w/10off-all-donations-fun-fun-32/529657000465[/URL][/QUOTE]Sorry, BS. Not interested even with a discount based on the reviews I've read about "Grandma" ! My playing the field days are over because I no longer have the stamina nor the inclination to "test the waters"! After all considering thirty five years in the hobby, I think I have done more than enough than my share and research for all concerned on this Forum. My record speaks for itself. I'll leave all the new and younger girls to you and your ilk. Besides, it's all I can do to visit my favorites once in awhile at my age and I'm certainly grateful to be able to even "get it up " considering! But these women still are tops in my book! And in all likelihood, I probably die in the throes of passion with one of these absolutely incredible women and I'm sure you'll be happy not to have old Willie to kick around anymore! Cheers! As Joshua Falken used to say!

You forgot to put Julia's picture in there. LOL.

[QUOTE=Willie24;6659847]Sorry, BS. Not interested even with a discount based on the reviews I've read about "Grandma" ! My playing the field days are over because I no longer have the stamina nor the inclination to "test the waters"! After all considering thirty five years in the hobby, I think I have done more than enough than my share and research for all concerned on this Forum. My record speaks for itself. I'll leave all the new and younger girls to you and your ilk. Besides, it's all I can do to visit my favorites once in awhile at my age and I'm certainly grateful to be able to even "get it up " considering! But these women still are tops in my book! And in all likelihood, I probably die in the throes of passion with one of these absolutely incredible women and I'm sure you'll be happy not to have old Willie to kick around anymore! Cheers! As Joshua Falken used to say![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TGB150;6659845]Damn, that's cold![/QUOTE]Attention K Mart shoppers, we now have a special going on.

Well it's been brought to my attention from a forum member that a certain member wants to mention then forum info to a provider. I've got the name and it was who I suspected when this info was brought to my attention. Don't worry all members I fuck with off this forum will know who you are.

Bs.

[URL]https://*********************/Arrests/[/URL]

Anyone remember this girl she was a backpage gal from the space coast with a massive attitude.

She was a hotbody that's for sure if you can get past the bitchatude.

Date: 10/31/2023.

Time: 3:13 PM.

Arresting Agency: Brevard County Sheriff's Office.

Dancer at IR and Lidos. Went by "Miami". Excellent sex in IR if ya filled her with Tequilla.

Too bad, she has a killer good body.

[QUOTE=StymieChula;6664465][URL]https://*********************/Arrests/[/URL]

Anyone remember this girl she was a backpage gal from the space coast with a massive attitude.

She was a hotbody that's for sure if you can get past the bitchatude.

Date: 10/31/2023.

Time: 3:13 PM.

Arresting Agency: Brevard County Sheriff's Office.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StymieChula;6664465][URL]https://*********************/Arrests/[/URL]

Anyone remember this girl she was a backpage gal from the space coast with a massive attitude.

She was a hotbody that's for sure if you can get past the bitchatude.

Date: 10/31/2023.

Time: 3:13 PM.

Arresting Agency: Brevard County Sheriff's Office.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FloridaRecruit;6665017]Dancer at IR and Lidos. Went by "Miami". Excellent sex in IR if ya filled her with Tequilla.

Too bad, she has a killer good body.[/QUOTE]On the plus side, looks like she'll be done with the uncle in 30 days!

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;6666778]On the plus side, looks like she'll be done with the uncle in 30 days![/QUOTE]Bwahahhahhahhahhahha. JJ, you're KILLIN me! Look at this girl's 'resume'. BCSO has issued this one a Frequent Flier card and she's attained PLATINUM status with them, and going for Titanium. She's been screwing up since (at least) 12 years ago. Going on 40 now and still has NO CLUE. A Felony-waiting-to-happen is not the sort I want to be alone in a room with. ,. ,. ,. , now, if it were the private dance area at IR / DR. ,. ,. ,. ,. ,. ,. ,.

F1.

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;6666778]On the plus side, looks like she'll be done with the uncle in 30 days![/QUOTE]I believe she has Federal Charges pending. We would all be better off if she simply got a job at a 7-11, went home every night, and went to bed.

[QUOTE=Feckless;6667347]Bwahahhahhahhahhahha. JJ, you're KILLIN me! Look at this girl's 'resume'. BCSO has issued this one a Frequent Flier card and she's attained PLATINUM status with them, and going for Titanium. She's been screwing up since (at least) 12 years ago. Going on 40 now and still has NO CLUE. A Felony-waiting-to-happen is not the sort I want to be alone in a room with. ,. ,. ,. , now, if it were the private dance area at IR / DR. ,. ,. ,. ,. ,. ,. ,.

F1.[/QUOTE]Come on, what's a bunch of misdemeanors and a few felony offenses mixed in amongst friends? And, like you said, if you can get her in the private dance area, she could be a lot of fun!

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;6667450] what's a bunch of misdemeanors and a few felony offenses mixed in ![/QUOTE]Offhand, I'd say, Not less than 12 months and not more than 36 months in county.

And then, can you hear yourself saying, "No your honor, I ddint know she was carrying around drugs, guns and a serious hatred of policemen when I gave her that $50. I thought it was for her Widows and Orphans Foundation. ,. ,. ,. ".

F1.

[QUOTE=StymieChula;6664465][URL]https://*********************/Arrests/[/URL]

Anyone remember this girl she was a backpage gal from the space coast with a massive attitude.

She was a hotbody that's for sure if you can get past the bitchatude.

Date: 10/31/2023.

Time: 3:13 PM.

Arresting Agency: Brevard County Sheriff's Office.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Feckless;6667690]Offhand, I'd say, Not less than 12 months and not more than 36 months in county.

And then, can you hear yourself saying, "No your honor, I ddint know she was carrying around drugs, guns and a serious hatred of policemen when I gave her that $50. I thought it was for her Widows and Orphans Foundation. ,. ,. ,. ".

F1.[/QUOTE]She does indeed have a fairly distinguished record, though it may not be as bad as it might appear at first glance. While not an exhaustive search, I located two misdemeanor drug cases, four misdemeanor cases related to other offenses, three of those apparently involving not vaccinating her dogs, about a half dozen traffic cases, two injunctions related to repeat violence or domestic violence and five felony cases involving drugs, though three were dropped outright. As to her current vacation with the uncle, that stems from a violation of her probation on a felony drug charge. On October 31st, she entered a plea to the violation and her probation was modified to include 30 days in jail with no credit for any time previously served. She should be released on or about November 30th and, at that time, her probation will be automatically terminated. I only located one other pending case, that involves a third degree felony of fleeing and eluding and, despite the relatively innocuous nature of the charge, that case has been around for right at three years, though it is probably worthwhile to add that several motions have been filed and she has changed counsel a few times, certainly actions that could cause a case to drag on a bit longer than the norm. In sum, she certainly has a record, much of it related to drug offenses, but it is not an egregious record and, so far as my research went, no hobby related charges, no robbery charges, nothing that comes across as extremely noteworthy, you know, considering the nature of her employment!

Well if you are looking for a drug free girl and / or one with no arrest record that's going to be a very short list!

[QUOTE=HardHat69;6669749]Well if you are looking for a drug free girl and / or one with no arrest record that's going to be a very short list![/QUOTE]Hard to find any providers with zero arrest record and zero drug use. I'm personally aware that some of our more highly praised ladies here have at least some record. Even my UUTR friend has at least one arrest in her past and she's a regular 420 girl. I've been seeing her for 6 or 7 years, been with her over 100 times, could not care less about the arrest or the drug use.

[QUOTE=JayJayTwo;6669763]Hard to find any providers with zero arrest record and zero drug use. I'm personally aware that some of our more highly praised ladies here have at least some record. Even my UUTR friend has at least one arrest in her past and she's a regular 420 girl. I've been seeing her for 6 or 7 years, been with her over 100 times, could not care less about the arrest or the drug use.[/QUOTE]So I can say only one provider I know is drug free, Michelle is certainly drug and drama free. As for arrest I only found 3 dating back to 2000 and they were vop / dwls.

Dwls and a battery that's all I found.

Solid choice to visit.

Bs.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6670283]So I can say only one provider I know is drug free, Michelle is certainly drug and drama free. As for arrest I only found 3 dating back to 2000 and they were vop / dwls.

Dwls and a battery that's all I found.

Solid choice to visit.

Bs.[/QUOTE]Battery? Michelle can beat my bishop anytime, my friend!

Looking for a plug if anyone knows thanks DM.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6670283]So I can say only one provider I know is drug free, Michelle is certainly drug and drama free. As for arrest I only found 3 dating back to 2000 and they were vop / dwls.

Dwls and a battery that's all I found.

Solid choice to visit.

Bs.[/QUOTE]I offer the ladys a gummy or to split a spliff. Michelle is one of the few who politely refused. She's a pro and a lovely woman.

Wow a second mole as number two was just confirmed tonight. I won't go into detail to reveal my source but if inquiring minds want to know. Well you know what to do. But again we are supposed to stick behind each other well it appears someone likes to stab you in the back!

LOL bs.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6677821]Wow a second mole as number two was just confirmed tonight. I won't go into detail to reveal my source but if inquiring minds want to know. Well you know what to do. But again we are supposed to stick behind each other well it appears someone likes to stab you in the back!

LOL bs.[/QUOTE]Just know the latest provider to tell me isn't the only one to confirm I was told by 3 others from SA to confirm giving me his real name which I knew already.

Bs.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6677821]Wow a second mole as number two was just confirmed tonight. I won't go into detail to reveal my source but if inquiring minds want to know. Well you know what to do. But again we are supposed to stick behind each other well it appears someone likes to stab you in the back!

LOL bs.[/QUOTE]I'm really confused, don't we share forum names with all sorts of providers? What info is being gleemed that a free account can't scrounge up?

Looking for some good Black Friday Specials! Love stuffing!

Here you go I bet she's saying she doesn't do drugs!

Bs.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6704715]Here you go I bet she's saying she doesn't do drugs!Bs.[/QUOTE]Use the restroom before visiting BS's place.

Wait didn't I hear a rumor that high old dollar Vivian wants to see your drivers license? Oh hell no. Willie please stop white knighting.

Bs.

And you don't? That's okay, you work your side of the street and I will work mine! Cheers.

Willie no where and I mean NO WHERE near as like you do, almost every post you put up you write the same damn shit. Lots of guys are tired of reading the same shit over and over. I mean when we see your name we don't even waste our time. And also the fact that some post about Michelle and what you know you have to jump.

In about your old hag girlfriends!! Get back with Julie she needs you really bad!

Cheers to old Willie and hags.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6704715]Here you go I bet she's saying she doesn't do drugs!

Bs.[/QUOTE]Well she maybe dry now as her dealer was busted last week unless she found another fentanyl dealer to offer her self to for product.

Bs.

[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6711585]It's really easy. Just don't do anything illegal. We are all upstanding law abiding characters on this board. Prostitution is the selling of services for a specific price which is illegal, escorting is totally legal which is the selling of time not services. Don't talk about specific services for specific prices. You can handle any business discussion like that after you both have gotten naked / exposed, if you were so inclined.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VincentGambini;6713038]AI is mostly correct, though not entirely so. As he correctly pointed out, prostitution is illegal in Florida, prostitution being defined as the giving or receiving of the body for sexual activity for hire, stated more succinctly, an exchange of money for sexual favors. However, stating "don't do anything illegal" is a bit too simplistic. I say this as I am personally aware of situations where both a monger and a provider were arrested after having done nothing illegal. As has been stated on the forum before, if you merely show up at the site of a sting, you will almost certainly be arrested, from the perspective of LE, they've got too much invested to simply let you walk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6713442]My point being that if there was a sting trying to get people to demonstrate Intent to commit a crime. Then the provider will be sending you incriminating messages to gather that proof. Just as it's our responsibility to be vague our speech / words then the correlation is if the other person isn't being vague as well which would be in her best interest, that's a red flag. The very evidence that a crime is intended to be committed is what that would be trying to gained from that hypothetical message exchange. Setting up stings that lead to lots of false arrests which are legally actionable against the department instead of convictions for the the office are bad for all parties involved.[/QUOTE]In theory, you are correct. The reality though is often quite different. First, as I stated previously, if you merely follow through and show up at the location of the sting, there is a high probability you will be arrested. A big part of the reason for that as the investment in setting up the sting, by that time, LE has put together an ad, posted it on a website, set up the location, placed multiple officers there, located a UC for the job, got her up to speed on the operation and put it all in motion. There's a ton of time and effort put into that. Then, if they let someone walk away, it would be very easy for that person to then post on whatever websites and otherwise alert other possible targets to the sting. LE isn't going to let that happen. Another problem is that, when faced with any type of prostitution charge, most defendants will gladly accept some reasonable plea bargain over going to trial. Trials are very public things, Florida courtrooms are wide open, allowing anyone and everyone to come in. News media may be present. Testimony would include how the defendant allegedly engaged in the illegal act of offering money for sexual services. Stated differently, it ain't fun for the accused! Rather than go through that, many will gladly accept a plea offer that includes not much more than probation and fines, and hopefully a reduced charge. Then, once that person has entered a plea, any "action () against the department" has been eliminated, you won't be successful suing LE if you entered a plea to some offense that came from the arrest, even if the charge is reduced or modified. And, of course, the public embarrassment factor comes into play again as well.

Getting back to the original point, yes, certainly prudent to say "don't do anything illegal" in these situations. My point was simply that merely responding to any of the ads in the sites we are all familiar with puts you at risk. Not putting anything incriminating in a text is absolutely a wise thing to do, I'm a big proponent of that myself. So too is being on these forums and educating yourself on the providers out there. That said, much like one puts himself at risk for a DUI arrest by drinking any amount of alcohol and driving a car, so too does one put himself at risk by responding to any ads out there, whether your text messages are innocuous or not. For anyone that wants a totally safe hobby, perhaps consider quilting.

[QUOTE=VincentGambini;6721888]In theory, you are correct. The reality though is often quite different. First, as I stated previously, if you merely follow through and show up at the location of the sting, there is a high probability you will be arrested. A big part of the reason for that as the investment in setting up the sting, by that time, LE has put together an ad, posted it on a website, set up the location, placed multiple officers there, located a UC for the job, got her up to speed on the operation and put it all in motion. There's a ton of time and effort put into that. Then, if they let someone walk away, it would be very easy for that person to then post on whatever websites and otherwise alert other possible targets to the sting. LE isn't going to let that happen. Another problem is that, when faced with any type of prostitution charge, most defendants will gladly accept some reasonable plea bargain over going to trial. Trials are very public things, Florida courtrooms are wide open, allowing anyone and everyone to come in. News media may be present. Testimony would include how the defendant allegedly engaged in the illegal act of offering money for sexual services. Stated differently, it ain't fun for the accused! Rather than go through that, many will gladly accept a plea offer that includes not much more than probation and fines, and hopefully a reduced charge. Then, once that person has entered a plea, any "action () against the department" has been eliminated, you won't be successful suing LE if you entered a plea to some offense that came from the arrest, even if the charge is reduced or modified. And, of course, the public embarrassment factor comes into play again as well..[/QUOTE]Again in your hypothetical. There would be some attempt to gather evidence of Intent instead of just falsely arresting everyone they can in the hope that there are no lawsuits for false imprisonment in response for illegal arrests. I mean I understand that someone like me isn't the majority but I can't be unique in that a settlement for my wrongful arrest & legal fees for my lawyer in the criminal case isn't terrifying.

[QUOTE=BigStud47;6717147]Wait didn't I hear a rumor that high old dollar Vivian wants to see your drivers license? Oh hell no. Willie please stop white knighting.

Bs.

And you don't? That's okay, you work your side of the street and I will work mine! Cheers.

Willie no where and I mean NO WHERE near as like you do, almost every post you put up you write the same damn shit. Lots of guys are tired of reading the same shit over and over. I mean when we see your name we don't even waste our time. And also the fact that some post about Michelle and what you know you have to jump.

In about your old hag girlfriends!! Get back with Julie she needs you really bad!

Cheers to old Willie and hags.[/QUOTE]I am glad someone said what a lot of us are thinking! Last year it was Avalon and Berlin, get to be like a broken record! All just to get your post count up!

Cheers,

DS.

[QUOTE=AveImperator14;6722229]Again in your hypothetical. There would be some attempt to gather evidence of Intent instead of just falsely arresting everyone they can in the hope that there are no lawsuits for false imprisonment in response for illegal arrests. I mean I understand that someone like me isn't the majority but I can't be unique in that a settlement for my wrongful arrest & legal fees for my lawyer in the criminal case isn't terrifying.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course LE wants to "attempt to gather evidence of intent" prior to making an arrest. That would obviously be true for any investigation for any crime, hobby related or otherwise. One must keep in mind though that what constitutes "evidence" will be different in every single case. People routinely believe every DUI will have video recordings and breath test results. That is absolutely not true. While I've never done a thorough review of that issue, I'd guess less than 50% (probably closer to 30%) of cases have both of those. Same goes for hobby related arrests, some will have incriminating text messages, some will not. I am personally aware of a case where an individual replied to an ad on STG, he texted the "provider" to inquire as to where she was located, an address, a time to meet and to let her know he had arrived at the location. He NEVER mentioned money, fees, costs, sex, nothing that would be considered incriminating. He went into the room and, again, mentioned nothing about sex or money. He was arrested and prosecuted. He received a plea to an amended charge, probation and fines. Rather than face the uncertainty of a trial, not to mention costs, possible incarceration and any public embarrassment, he accepted the offer and moved on. Additionally, LE is protected by qualified immunity, meaning that, so long as they reasonably acted within the scope of their official capacity, they cannot be sued. In the real life example I just detailed, had that person decided to sue (entering a plea aside) LE likely would be found to have acted reasonably within the scope of his official capacity and, in turn, been protected from a lawsuit. While my guess is he would have been found not guilty at a criminal trial, at the civil trial for the lawsuit against LE, the facts of posting the ad, the person replying to the ad and then meeting the "provider" at the hotel would almost certainly be sufficient for LE to prevail. With the lower burden of proof for a civil trial versus a criminal trial, the arrested individual likely loses the civil trial despite winning the criminal trial.

As to your comment of not being "unique in that a settlement for (your) wrongful arrest & legal fees" wouldn't prevent you from pursuing all legal remedies, the individual I detailed above was married, had high school age children and a fairly white collar occupation with a nice income. My belief is that those factors played into his decision to accept the plea offer to the lesser charge.

[QUOTE=DocSter;6722645]I am glad someone said what a lot of us are thinking! Last year it was Avalon and Berlin, get to be like a broken record! All just to get your post count up!.[/QUOTE]Too bad others won't speak up! I'm not afraid to. Just like how Tdrag, oldguy222, and Asianflyer well like to tell providers shit about me. Boy the stories I have heard about Tdrag also from providers. Don't worry Tdrag you're blocked now. There my moles are out in open now!

Merry Christmas all.

Bs.

[QUOTE=VincentGambini;6723346]Yes, of course LE wants to "attempt to gather evidence of intent" prior to making an arrest. That would obviously be true for any investigation for any crime, hobby related or otherwise. One must keep in mind though that what constitutes "evidence" will be different in every single case. People routinely believe every DUI will have video recordings and breath test results. That is absolutely not true. While I've never done a thorough review of that issue, I'd guess less than 50% (probably closer to 30%) of cases have both of those. Same goes for hobby related arrests, some will have incriminating text messages, some will not. I am personally aware of a case where an individual replied to an ad on STG, he texted the "provider" to inquire as to where she was located, an address, a time to meet and to let her know he had arrived at the location. He NEVER mentioned money, fees, costs, sex, nothing that would be considered incriminating. He went into the room and, again, mentioned nothing about sex or money. He was arrested and prosecuted. He received a plea to an amended charge, probation and fines. Rather than face the uncertainty of a trial, not to mention costs, possible incarceration and any public embarrassment, he accepted the offer and moved on.[/QUOTE]Qualified Immunity protects the individual officers from being sued personally not the department for wrongful arrest. So again. Your friend did nothing illegal & allowed himself to be bullied into pleading guilty to a crime that he didn't commit. Cops can arrest you illegally for anything in any circumstance since they are doing it illegally, following the law is no protection from an illegal arrest (hence what makes it illegal.) I actually once was arrested for drunk driving after refusing to do the field sobriety test & requesting a breathalyzer. As I was over 5 years sober at the time it was a test that I knew I would pass. The cop trying to be cute refused to do it and instead arrested me to take down to the station for a blood test which of course came back 0. 00%. He left so mad after I had been making fun of him for being dumb and even the other cops were chuckling at arresting a guy with a 5 year sober medallion in his pocket for drunk driving (then one of them gave me a ride back to my car.) So your premise that cops can just arrest you cause they want to like that cop did when he was staked outside the strip club looking to arrest drunk drivers but since I wasn't drunk driving then the charges were dropped and the cop was definitely going to be mocked for quite a while among his cop peers for that one.