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Simply keep your mouth shut! Cops will try to scare you by using all kinds of tactics; namely lies and deceit. Like someone mentioned earlier, merely being in an "eatablishment", licensed by the city/county, is hardly a crime. Sure, LE may know what goes on there, but there main focus when raiding a place is to get Johns to cop to a violation of the law.

Solicitation and/or any related offense is certainly something that one does not want on his record. By pressuring a John into "cooperating", LE's only concern is getting him to admit to a crime so that it can be used against him in court. LE has no interest in letting anyone off the hook if they can get a confession. They use this BS tactic, when they have nothing, so that you will think they are trying to help you! What a load of crap! It's like when you're doing 80 mph on the freeway and the cop who pulls you over says he's doing you a favor by writing the ticket for 75 mph. I still have to pay the ticket. If he really wanted to help me, he'd have acknowledged that I was polite and cooperative and let me off with a warning.

I'd like to say that they have bigger fish to fry, and indeed they do, but it's much easier to make money off otherwise law-obiding citizens, than hardened criminals. All though grossly corrupt and unfair, most of us will or need to throw money at the problem to make it go away.

[QUOTE=Doe25]I would hate for misleading legal advice to be posted on this board so I am going to add my 2 cents in the hope that someone with crim law experience can set the board straight. In my opinion, under no circumstances should a John say anything to LE. It's my understanding solicitation/prostitution is a misdemeanor, and as such, needs to be committed in front of the LE officer for an arrest to be made. Further, the statements from the John are hearsay, and unless the John is going to be subpoenaed to testify in court, the statements are likely only admissible against the John. I don't even think they are sufficient to get a warrant. If the John does admit to an offense, he stands the chance of (1) being arrested and charged; and/or (2) being subpoenaed to testify as a witness in the trial of the provider. If the John keeps his mouth shut, he will likely be released, after LE puts the fear of god into him. Of course, this is just my theory and may not reflect reality. Can someone who practices crim defense, or a prosecutor please set us straight?[/QUOTE]If you read my post carefully, I gave no legal advice, and nore would I give legal advice to a client without knowing the specific circumstance. Every lawyer, and half way intelligent non-lawyer, knows you should shut up when detained for questioning in this type of situation. As I said plainly, I would advise my own client to shut up. And this is whether you think you technically violated some city ordinance, or state statute, forbiding visits to places of ill repute, or the like. And yes, I have taken on criminal matters, including white collar crime where my client was up for 5-10 in the Fed Pen. Just not of this nature.

The point of my story is that, based on testimonials, and reports on this very web site, the cops will at least sometimes give you this choice, and it is a hard choice, legally correct or not. Yes, if you want to beat the wrap, and go through processing and bail, if that is what you decide to do, you will most likely, eventually, beat it, or at least have it pled down to a misdermeaner, after mortgaging your house for a good attorney.

The cops realize that you just want to go home and avoid all this, so they take advantage of your situation to get what they want.

No legal advice, and anybody who looks for legal advice applied to their specific situation on the internet is basically trying to act as his own attorney, and we know what they say about that, they have a fool for a client.

-Shark-

Ok, I know a lot of you guys said that you'd never admit to anything, ask for your lawyer when questioned, wouldn't give up any information, etc etc. But please don't take this the wrong way, but until you have been in the same situation as I was, you just don't know what you will do. Having actually been in that situation and KNOWING that I shouldn't admit to anything I still did. Why? BECAUSE I WAS SCARED. Yes thats right, I'm man enough to say. I was rattled plain and simple and I didnt want to be arrested. I've been arrested before and its not something I look forward to repeating. Anyone who says that they wouldn't be scared in my place is either a liar or doesn't get shaken up easily. If its the latter, then kudos to you. I'm pretty sure the guys that were literally caught with their pants down and their dicks in some chick one min and found themselves being pulled off them by the cops the next didn't have a clear head and were scared shitless.

Just being in an AMP is enough for suspicion. It's like a white kid driving around in a BMW in Compton looking for drugs. Gee, that's not strange at all right? Sure they might not be able to get you convicted on something major, but the whole process of being arrested, processed, and dealing with court is a pain in the ass. Not to mention the embarrassment of it all. They use that knowledge in the back of your head as a weapon against you. In all honesty though, they know (and we know) that the girls there and the Johns are replaced every minute by someone new. They want the bigger fish. That's what gets promotions.

[QUOTE=Nother Monger]Ok, I know a lot of you guys said that you'd never admit to anything, ask for your lawyer when questioned, wouldn't give up any information, etc etc. But please don't take this the wrong way, but until you have been in the same situation as I was, you just don't know what you will do. Having actually been in that situation and KNOWING that I shouldn't admit to anything I still did. Why? BECAUSE I WAS SCARED. Yes thats right, I'm man enough to say. I was rattled plain and simple and I didn't want to be arrested. I've been arrested before and its not something I look forward to repeating. Anyone who says that they wouldn't be scared in my place is either a liar or doesn't get shaken up easily. If its the latter, then kudos to you. I'm pretty sure the guys that were literally caught with their pants down and their dicks in some chick one min and found themselves being pulled off them by the cops the next didn't have a clear head and were scared shitless.

Just being in an AMP is enough for suspicion. It's like a white kid driving around in a BMW in Compton looking for drugs. Gee, that's not strange at all right? Sure they might not be able to get you convicted on something major, but the whole process of being arrested, processed, and dealing with court is a pain in the ass. Not to mention the embarrassment of it all. They use that knowledge in the back of your head as a weapon against you. In all honesty though, they know (and we know) that the girls there and the Johns are replaced every minute by someone new. They want the bigger fish. That's what gets promotions.[/QUOTE]Need I say more? He may not have exercised his American-given right to avoid self-incrimination, and some of you may not be able to sit well with it, but guess what, he went home that night.

-Shark-

[QUOTE=Nother Monger]Ok, I know a lot of you guys said that you'd never admit to anything, ask for your lawyer when questioned, wouldn't give up any information, etc etc. But please don't take this the wrong way, but until you have been in the same situation as I was, you just don't know what you will do. Having actually been in that situation and KNOWING that I shouldn't admit to anything I still did. Why? BECAUSE I WAS SCARED. Yes thats right, I'm man enough to say. I was rattled plain and simple and I didn't want to be arrested. I've been arrested before and its not something I look forward to repeating. Anyone who says that they wouldn't be scared in my place is either a liar or doesn't get shaken up easily. If its the latter, then kudos to you. I'm pretty sure the guys that were literally caught with their pants down and their dicks in some chick one min and found themselves being pulled off them by the cops the next didn't have a clear head and were scared shitless.

Just being in an AMP is enough for suspicion. It's like a white kid driving around in a BMW in Compton looking for drugs. Gee, that's not strange at all right? Sure they might not be able to get you convicted on something major, but the whole process of being arrested, processed, and dealing with court is a pain in the ass. Not to mention the embarrassment of it all. They use that knowledge in the back of your head as a weapon against you. In all honesty though, they know (and we know) that the girls there and the Johns are replaced every minute by someone new. They want the bigger fish. That's what gets promotions. [/QUOTE]Not to turn this forum into a legal advice column. But, I've heard from many others who did this same thing and while I understand your points. I am just curious if anyone has experience or knows first hand of someone else who did not say anything in this type of situation and what happened to him. No guesses please.- but if you know for a fact what happened to someone in this instance (ie: they just walked into an AMP during a bust or was in the lobby when the cops came in, etc. And they refused to admit criminal intent and/or kept quiet. I (and others probably) are interested in what has actually happened in these cases (not if you get caught banging a ho. Just if you happen to be in the joint when shit goes down and there is no chance anything illegal you did or were going to do can be proven). Anyone have stories?

Back to the p**** please.

Its official. The pigs are reducing mongering with their tactics. Our discisions are now legal since we are understandably all worried. I get caught I'm screwed. Next time I go I'm going to ask "when you are closed can we meet privately, and only when you're closed" Hope it works.

With busts happening at an alarming rate, I believe this topic is relevant. I think there was some useful discussion and information passed along. Thanks to all that expressed an opinion especially Nother Monger.

[QUOTE=Allover]With busts happening at an alarming rate, I believe this topic is relevant. I think there was some useful discussion and information passed along. Thanks to all that expressed an opinion especially Nother Monger.[/QUOTE]

i'm still waiting for someone to point to an actual instance where a monger who kept his mouth shut was actually arrested/processed ... especially if there is no provable commitment of intent or an actual crime (ie: you just walked in). under that scenario i can be ticketed for standing on a street corner for the intent of jaywalking. who can chime in with a real life story?

[QUOTE=Monster Cock]i'm still waiting for someone to point to an actual instance where a monger who kept his mouth shut was actually arrested/processed ... especially if there is no provable commitment of intent or an actual crime (ie: you just walked in). under that scenario i can be ticketed for standing on a street corner for the intent of jaywalking. who can chime in with a real life story?[/QUOTE]

I was busted in a motel sting long time ago (5 years ago), I just kept my mouth shut. They kept asking me question after question like "how much were you going to pay" etc, etc. I did not say anything just stayed there like a Zombie, anyway they gave me a ticket and let me go after half an hour. Later I lost the fight in the court, stupid lawyer lesson learned get a private lawyer. I had to do 3 weeks of community service.

Went by LAX today all the signs were gone and gate was locked up. Did they move or did they get busted. Does anyone know if Luna is working any where else.

Thanks

Just the opposite, Several years ago I was in an AMP and heard banging on the doors. I had just finished banging her and she ran out of the room and out the back door. I just stayed there on my stomach and played dumb. They asked me a lot of questions, took my CDL# and let me go. I think the place was busted for not having a business license. This was in the City of Los Angeles.

[QUOTE=banzai1]Went by LAX today all the signs were gone and gate was locked up. Did they move or did they get busted. Does anyone know if Luna is working any where else.

Thanks[/QUOTE]NO, that was my only consistent spot where I could find cute Latinas.

[QUOTE=Allover]I'll ask another question or two also.

1) Is it against the law for us to receive a massage while we or the girl is undressed?

2) Is there a law against visiting a "known place of prostitution" or a place otherwise known to be a criminal nuisance?

I think we all need to know what to do in case of a bust. I would fully expect the cops to be assholes. My experience with various inspectors and people empowered by the government is that they are usually assholes and will try to show off their power by pushing you around.[/QUOTE]Not Legal Advice but if your eyes are closed and you are on your stomach how would you know? Known Place of Prostitution? Is that what the sing said or did it say massage? Admit Nothing, Get a good lawyer Never take a plea. If everyone fought there charges the world would be a better place to be, the only people that consistently fight the system are those who are 100% guilty, they have nothing to lose, Innocent people are berated into pleading guilty into something they have not done.

[quote=monster cock]i'm still waiting for someone to point to an actual instance where a monger who kept his mouth shut was actually arrested/processed ... especially if there is no provable commitment of intent or an actual crime (ie: you just walked in). under that scenario i can be ticketed for standing on a street corner for the intent of jaywalking. who can chime in with a real life story?[/quote]maybe it will make sense maybe it won't.

last year i was driving down figueroa, i saw a cute girl who may have been a s/w, wasn't sure so i pulled over and watched for a bit to she was just standing there, she was wearing a skirt, not to short, she wasn't waving at the cars she could have been anyone's sister friend mother whatever, she wasn't an obvious s/w.

i see a b&w pull up so i sit there and watch from a distance, the solo male cop rubs her up in an alleged search, the s/w was detained maybe 10 minutes, the cop was writing her a ticket, so i hang out till he is done once clear, i head up pick her up and we drive away she says she needs a ride to broadway where she is staying, so i ask her about the cop, she says she got a ticket for loitering with the intent to solicit, i asked her how she could get a ticket for just standing there she said she didn't know.

never forget cops can say anything they want, never admit to anything, some cops are crooked and will lie always be careful. when they say you have a right to remain silent or anything you say can and will be used against you they ain't joking. just imagine your own words used against you, let's say she was 17, you two get caught, and you said you went out there looking for pussy, the cop could testify to how you cruised the area looking for **** girls you area predator because you admit going out there often etc it's a slippery slope when you give them ammo, it will be very hard to keep quiet, but try and remember, you will only be hurting yourself by speaking with le.