BBQ and fight thread

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2860305][BLUE]17 years, 2,000,000 posts and still the number of times a post has been used in court is, and always will be zero. It's hearsay, if I don't know who you perverts are nobody else will either unless you tell them. All this "pass by PM" and "too much detail" shit is guys trying to pretend they are Tony Montana. A2[/BLUE]

True but, there is a case of a Hobbyist in Indy who was in a sting with eight others. It was his first time offense as well as the other seven. All but him received the standard slap on the wrist and a diversion program. He took it upon himself to continue to post both on USA and NR when it had a blog. It pissed the prosecutor off to no end. Instead of a diversion program he was told because of his persistence to stay on the boards and warn others about his LE experience he would face the full charge of soliciting. They used his posts in pre court meetings with his $2,000 lawyer to convince him, that no deals would be cut, thus it earned him a conviction and a record. It didn't help when a completely different provider showed e-mails to the prosecutor identifying his new handles on the boards. So the point is if caught, shut the fuck up because LE can use whatever means, even hearsay, to make life more difficult and not cut deals. Of course they can anyway, it just gives them a reason to not be nice.

And, I once had a provider ask me to bring her a pack of cigarettes thinking that if LE bought her something and brought it to her he couldn't arrest her. On the flip side there was a cop in Indy who would fuck the ladies and then arrest them. Whose word is the court going to believe. He was eventually caught by the FBI and lost his job, but it didn't help the past ladies who got screwed and then really got screwed![/QUOTE][BLUE]If you really want to bump heads with me lets do this thing.

First, I think the story is bullshit. Posts here are hearsay, there is a LEGAL STANDARD to get internet content admitted as evidence if you haven't given yourself up. That process is called authentication. In it, the prosecuting whatever needs to go to somebody that can POSITIVELY authenticate a user. Generally they use the operator of the site. In our case, and not by accident, we don't require people to prove their identity so I have no idea who any of you guys are.

His two thousand dollar lawyer (2000 an hour, for the case, what does that even mean) couldn't get that kicked simply by saying "Not us, prove that it is" then the douche needed another lawyer.

Hooker emails? Seriously, so the guy was using his fucking comcast account to write hookers? He couldn't use a gmail account?

Hooker: "Yes your honor sir, his email is iluvpussy"
Guy: "No it's not"
Lawyer: "Mr Prosecutor can you prove my client is Iluvpussy?"
Prosecutor: "Not without access to the email server so no."
Judge: "Turn him loose."

Serious FF, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. So before you start running our security down and getting yourself put on moderation for bloviating and trying to be the mongers monger I suggest you knock it off or keep it on a fight thread. The only thing in that post worth reading is don't talk to cops.

Note, this is written in blue.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=MojoGuy;2860351]Would you mind giving us more details about how the dudes were set up in the sting?[/QUOTE]A newer provider on NR, Kandi, was busted in Indy. Uncle convinced her to flip and took her phone and NR profile password. A day after she was busted GRBoiler, a hobbyist from this board and NR was busted in a sting where he contacted her and asked her to come to his hotel in Indy. He was not from Indy but from Lafayette Indiana. When he was busted, he flipped and they now had the perfect sting set up. They had her profile on NR, her phone, his profile on NR and USA. LE posted an ad on NR stating she was seeing people, LE put up a false review by GRBoiler saying how great she was, they even answered PM's from mongers on NR who were just double checking the review. I'm not sure but I think they answered PM's on this board as well from mongers. I still have the PM from him after he was called out. You can go back and look at the posts. They busted eight people, it was called the Southport Eight Sting. I posted the first warning on here as well as NR. One of my good hobby friends was busted. I spent the night waiting at the jail to bail him out. I met one hobbyist at the jail who was being bailed out by a ex-provider friend of his. He and I became good friends. He changed his handle on NR to Oooooops and started posting both there and here about how he was caught, the circumstances, then he started researching stings and busts of prostitution in Indy. He really went out of his way to post a lot of information about stings and police activities. Started posting about the lady who was the LE provider in the sting. All of the other Southport Eight arrestee's were given the standard diversion program. The prosecutors went after him because he kept on posting on the boards. Even though he changed his handle they new it was him, but couldn't prove it. It pissed them off enough so much that when he went in to meet with the prosecutor about the possible diversion program, they had a book of screen prints of all his posts from all the boards. His lawyer called it Hearsay, the prosecutor called it circumstantial evidence. He refused to take the guilty plea at the time. They said we will see you in court.

Now enter a psycho provider and her past relationship with this hobbyist, not the one that bailed him out. She contacted Indy Vice and told them she had e-mails from the hobbyist where he discussed his posts and handles on the boards. She sent the e-mails to the prosecutor and they had another meeting with him and his lawyer. They told them that they were going for the maximum sentence for the crime in court if he didn't take a lesser deal that included a conviction and fine. His lawyer at this point advised him to take the lesser deal. He did and now has a record of soliciting prostitution.

Yes the Psycho providers e-mail pushed it over the edge but they were still using the screen prints of the posts on the boards. Yes the prosecutor could have gone after the maximum penalty anyway, they can anytime they want. My point is his posts pissed off LE, they were hearsay, but they used it along with other hearsay to persuade even a lawyer that it wasn't worth the risk of going to trial. It's called poker and the prosecutor played their hand very well, mainly because he pissed them off.

A2 I really didn't mean any disrespect at all. It's a true story, just check the links below. Yes maybe he needed another lawyer. The monger in question works away from Indy for extensive periods of time and the prosecutor told him he would be back in court once every two-three weeks so be prepared. True it was his choice to take the deal and be over with it. He could have fought it but the lawyer advised against it. The hobbyist was single, imagine what leverage the prosecutor would have had if he was married. So hearsay cannot be used in court, but it sure was used, at least in this case as leverage.

Here is the original warning when I though it was Sexy Raven escort service who was involved in the sting. It later turned out to be Kandi from NR.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4037-Escort-Reports&p=1759339&viewfull=1#post1759339[/URL]

Here is a post where the monger remembers his circumstances.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7746-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2462635&viewfull=1#post2462635[/URL]

To prove he is right he quotes his own warning.

THen another post from USA.

Nothing credible at all in this "April Fool" joke.

This ultimate sting nets 8 arrests. So this very convoluted plot gets less than an average on the street John sting. This will net 20 plus arrests on average.

This angry District Attorney gives one guy jail time. Not based on the facts of the case or Prior criminal history. Just a few blurbs on gossip sex sites.

Don't buy it.

He would go to court the judge would give a much more lenient sentence. The Trial would one time for a couple hours maybe lasting as long as a few days but that would be an extreme case.

This is all BULLSHIT from the dumbest Monger to show up on this board.

I get it though the timing makes sense. April FOOL.

The amazing part about the mongers on this board is they can think for themselves. For those that can't, if you click on the first link about the warning and go forward in time you will find additional posts from others about the incident. If you read the post from the monger, who was one of the eight, then you can also track his posts. You can also use the search tool. I hope this helps the not so fortunate on the board.

By the way several senior members from this board were arrested in the sting. I guess because all the SW's were busy that day, LOL. Hmmm bagging some high profile members of society isn't nearly as much fun as 20 guys soliciting SW's. I guess the district attorney, oh wait I said prosecutor, not all prosecutors are district attorney's, cut a plea bargain that didn't include jail time thus he didn't serve any time because the conviction for soliciting was good enough along with the fine. This is especially true since the other seven now have no conviction or even an arrest record after the terms of the diversion which included a probationary period became final. I guess the monger in question didn't want to put up with all the court hearings, expenses, time off work, travel back and forth to Indy and a myriad of other reasons only he can explain.

Proof is in the pudding but you have mud in your eye! Happy Fourth Of July! Rhymes doesn't it.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2861768]The amazing part about the mongers on this board is they can think for themselves. For those that can't, if you click on the first link about the warning and go forward in time you will find additional posts from others about the incident. If you read the post from the monger, who was one of the eight, then you can also track his posts. You can also use the search tool. I hope this helps the not so fortunate on the board.

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Proof is in the pudding but you have mud in your eye! Happy Fourth Of July! Rhymes doesn't it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MillitaryMan69;2861694]To prove he is right he quotes his own warning.

THen another post from USA.

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I get it though the timing makes sense. April FOOL.[/QUOTE]FF & MM,

Respectfully, I am not stepping into the line of fire here, but would like to ask a question of 2 super Seniors that I am learning a lot from, if I may?

What if LEO, and a big what if, were to take up userid's on Forums, and over time build credibility to said userid. Then, as known entities, garner PMs with various mongers who shared more than generic personal info or through real life contact get a concrete identity on a user?

Would that then be enough to make a bust or do you think it would possibly be judged as entrapment?

Anyone else can jump in, too (A2).

Respectfully,

AL.

[QUOTE=OaklonaAl;2862343]FF & MM,

Respectfully, I am not stepping into the line of fire here, but would like to ask a question of 2 super Seniors that I am learning a lot from, if I may?

What if LEO, and a big what if, were to take up userid's on Forums, and over time build credibility to said userid. Then, as known entities, garner PMs with various mongers who shared more than generic personal info or through real life contact get a concrete identity on a user?

Would that then be enough to make a bust or do you think it would possibly be judged as entrapment?

Anyone else can jump in, too (A2).

Respectfully,

AL.[/QUOTE]I don't think anything you say through the forum or any kind of social media would be anymore than hearsay. As long as there are no trafficking, drugs or weapons charges involved a first offense solicitation charge by itself is just a misdemeanor. That seems like a helluva lot of time, trouble and expense for the cops to go through when most likely all they would do is detain you for a short time, write you a citation then send you on your way. If you ever get caught don't admit or agree to anything. Say only these things, "I do not consent to a search", "I am going to remain silent" and after every question you ask "Am I free to go now?" The cops get pissed off when they get done that way but you are exercising your constitutional rights when you do that and there's nothing they can do about it.

[QUOTE=OaklonaAl;2862343]FF & MM,

Respectfully, I am not stepping into the line of fire here, but would like to ask a question of 2 super Seniors that I am learning a lot from, if I may? What if LEO, and a big what if, were to take up userid's on Forums, and over time build credibility to said userid. Then, as known entities, garner PMs with various mongers who shared more than generic personal info or through real life contact get a concrete identity on a user?

Would that then be enough to make a bust or do you think it would possibly be judged as entrapment? Anyone else can jump in, too (A2).

Respectfully, AL.[/QUOTE]Individual Mongers are not necessarily safe because of their own actions.

First off A2 laid it out in his admonishment of my earlier post and he is absolutely correct. The server for this site is off shore and unless the US Government takes over the country it's in and closes it down then the server and all the information on it are safe. Many sites based in the United States have been shut down because of promoting prostitution or tax evasion or other reasons as seen with [URL]E.com[/URL] and Redbook. We all know about the CL changes years ago. BP is a huge target but once again the server is outside federal law enforcement's hands.

Now her lies the problem. A board similar to this one called TheReviewBoard (TRB), whose server was based in Seattle was infiltrated by federal agents and shut down. Uncle joined the site, became members, posted reviews and actually infiltrated a group of mongers who called themselves the "League". The group met at local pubs to discuss their experiences, mostly at local AMPs and uncle was invited to join them. Uncle recorded conversations and video taped the group during the meetings and the members were arrested. So this was their choice to do this. I have posted links to some news articles below. I don't know if they used PM's and social media sites as evidence in the case. I do know that FB has been used in the past in courts of law regarding bullying, assault and even terrorism. Most FB profiles identify the person beyond a reasonable doubt unless you set up a dummy FB account like many of us have. This is totally different than a handle on this board associated with a fictitious person. Uncle would have to obtain a warrant specifying your computer and e-mails and other potential evidence proving you are the person on this site.

So what does this mean? Uncle is on here and that is why establishing credibility is so important. That is why seniors get so frustrated with newbies who only ask questions and don't contribute. That is why seniors are very cautious about handing out info on UTR's and other good provider information. There is a group of mongers and some providers in Indy that hang out together, have parties together and go to clubs together. We are extremely careful with who comes into this inner circle. You have to prove yourself first. What is funny is we had a Federal Agent as a member of our group several years ago, but he proved himself by seeing several providers before we let him join our group.

The biggest problem and the biggest reason to be cautious about the hobby is, Uncle can do whatever they want. If you are at the wrong place and they don't like you there, then you can be detained for questioning or even arrested on minor charges only to be released later. It's called the hassle factor, which won't stand up in a court of law, but they delayed you and now you have to explain to someone where you were for the last 3-7 hours. A monger in Indy made an appointment at a BP advertised Asian incall and arrived right after it was busted, bad timing. He walked in the door, was confronted by LE, they detained him for 2 hours and kept his phone. He was never charged because he didn't do anything. No explicit text messages were on his phone in regards to the visit, because the Asian incall was using a screener, so no direct correlation of an appointment and service. LE finally returned his phone after 3 weeks. The positive thing was he "got the word out" to others about his phone being compromised. All the major providers were warned.

This site is safe, but be cautious and use common sense when dealing with others on this board. Uncle is hiding in the background.

[URL]http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/online-site-where-men-rated-prostitutes-is-shut-down-charges-to-be-filed/[/URL]

[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/11/the-review-board-raid-additional-moneys[/URL]

[URL]http://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-area-police-free-12-women-seize-national-prostitution-website[/URL]

[URL]http://excellenterotica.com/how-ted-killed-the-review-board/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2862866][blue](Deleted by Admin)

There's a thread for this.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]You have a dedicated thread just for "no shit Sherlock" style morality plays?

No wonder USASG is the best!

I thought about replying to the myriad of posts touching on this subject but decided against it. First, A2, below in reply to FF, has given you the 411 on this site. What do you think, he's bullshitting you. That this entire site has been in operation for how many years with millions of posts just to set you up? If you think that you're nuts. This site is as secure as any site can be. Which is to say nothing is unhackable but what are you going to do. I'll tell you what you're going to do. First, you're never going to give out any truly identifying personal info on either an open post or a PM. Telling people you have a family or are middle aged doesn't really count. Second, you're going to decide if you want to post on this site or not. Seriously, I am not the baddest motherfucker on the block but anybody, and I mean anybody, that knows me, will tell you I either have the stones to do something and not stress it or I don't do it. There's been plenty of shit I haven't done but if your vagina is leaking piss out of fear everytime you get on this site then just don't get on this site for fucks sake. I feel as secure using this site as I do using a burn phone or picking up a girl in a hotel lobby bar. Nothing is ever 100%.

[QUOTE=OaklonaAl;2871861]A very current pic of former BP gal extraordinaire, CBE. Haven't heard from her in awhile, but I know where she can be found at the moment. She's looking better than the last time and that makes me happy!

Stay safe, it's Derby.

AL.[/QUOTE]I saw her a number of times back in 2011-12. She seemed pretty normal and level-headed back then. It's really sad to see what she has done to herself. Hope she can turn it around before it's too late.

After reading back over a few posts in this thread it's obvious we need another thread where thoes of us off our medication can post long-ass drivel and drama.

I'd call it the "I'm off my medication, locked in a a room and I'm very paroinoid" board.

[QUOTE=Golf9979;2873603]After reading back over a few posts in this thread it's obvious we need another thread where thoes of us off our medication can post long-ass drivel and drama.

I'd call it the "I'm off my medication, locked in a a room and I'm very paroinoid" board.[/QUOTE]Talking about that troll that occasionally leaves his bridge in Indy to post his rantings over here?

[QUOTE=MillitaryMan69;2873952]Talking about that troll that occasionally leaves his bridge in Indy to post his rantings over here?[/QUOTE]You got it! But there seems to be a new one every year or so.

[QUOTE=Golf9979;2875141]You got it! But there seems to be a new one every year or so.[/QUOTE]The guy that would always have the quote " killing box". He was funny paranoid.

[QUOTE=MillitaryMan69;2875368]The guy that would always have the quote " killing box". He was funny paranoid.[/QUOTE]I remember him LOL. Was it Kyowa? Old crazy fuck. His post would have tons of quotation marks and bold print and shit underlined. He is also the guy that recommended renting a car just to go to the AMP as to not have your personal vehicle spotted. He was a tinfoil hat guy for sure.