Wow-amazing as I could not agree more!
I get regular coitus at home (which is very good and fine) , but no oral. The sentiments expressed here are as important to me as to him, even more as swallowing means much more to me (I am obviously not as evolved as him). Blame it on an old girlfriend who loved the whole act and spoiled me. My difference is that I am early in the game. Paige the short, small brunette that had one post back in Jan / Feb. And I visited once was incredible. I just could not go back to her Reading and insane hotel conditions. I went to the famed slutty pie (formerly of Louisville, now in Indy) and she was very good, but Paige was better. It is terrible, I went to Cinnamon (now gone) , and she had a tongue ring and I enjoyed it, her effort was ok to good but not to Paige level (plus she did not complete the act). I had the redhead Chrystal because she would complete the act, but she wasn't to Paige level. If you have one, please share with me, as it is tough. After a hiatus I am sched. With another provider tomorrow and will write a report.
Wish me luck.
[QUOTE=Anonone; 1392044]Different guys define GFE as differently, but most pretty much agree that a GFE usually involves the illusion of passion, especially during the BJ, and for me that means sans the latex. Keep in mind there are some folks in the hobby that think ANY uncovered activity is insane. I used to be one of them, but I could not lie to myself once I knew the truth that oral sex was not Russian Roulette after all, uncovered blow jobs are frickin' awesome.
Let me whisper a little secret I have learned about humans in general:
[i]Just like there are some guys that love DATY (I mean they like the smell, taste, and texture and get off on the power rush they get from pushing all the right buttons and levers) and some guys can't stand it? Well, there are women out there that love to give blowjobs. Some of them have learned to make money off of the thing they love to do. [/i]
Right about now several providers will chime in and post that they love to give head. If you still believe every post you read, go ahead and just take their word on it. However once you find a gal that genuinely connects with you and actually loves to give oral sex, and you will get a second job to keep those BBBJNQNS coming every few days.
Just like most women can tell the difference when a guy likes to savor their pussy, and others are merely doing what is expected of them, the intuitive male will pick up on whether the passion was an act that was paid for or if it is genuine. Ladies, please do everyone a favor and don't post how much you like giving blow jobs unless it really is true. Some of us consider that a very important part of the GFE.
Yes, there is always the big fat YMMV elephant in the room, but even though it might just be personal energy, or synergy at least, that is shared you can still sense if somebody is having a good time, and sorry but I come down on the side of the GFE aficionados and that is a good GFE involves a great blow job that literally shows a guy you whistle while you work. If you don't care what the woman thinks and believe all blow jobs are the same, you probably quit reading this a paragraph or two ago, so make fun of me and go waste your money on addicts, actresses and grifters.
For those of you that are still reading, here come the apples of gold. I share them with you freely because mongers older and wiser than me took the time and energy to share them with me when I was but a hobby padawan.
There are many reasons a lady might not like oral sex. If it is merely taste and odor, then that is the man's fault. Some wise choices in personal hygiene, grooming, and diet can make your member more inviting and if the lady suggests that your spunk is junk, change your diet and quit smoking, if you even care what they are thinking when they are performing. Cranberry, pineapple, and kiwi have all been medically proven to contain the crucial enzymes and proteins that make for better quality and quantity in the semen factory you think of as your balls.
If the aversion is texture, get over the CIM drive and learn some control or cues from your partner and your will find yourself getting better blowjobs once she relaxes and trusts that you won't splash it anywhere she doesn't want it.
If you are shaking your head, just put yourself in their place for a moment. If you weren't big fan of DATY to begin with, can you imagine your shock if you were with a more orgasmic woman that squirted all in your mouth and all over your face as you did your duty. If that image just caused a gag reflex in your mouth, now you can at least commiserate with the reluctant blowjob.
Some of you just got an erection at the idea of a women squirting while you play with them. First, no the porn you may have come across was not some gag, gimmick, or special effect. All women are anatomically capable of squirting during an orgasm. Not all women choose to do it, or know they can do it. For many the sensation is too much like urination and they tense up and internalize the orgasm out of discomfort or embarrassment—remember since the sensation is similar to a woman, you might be fighting years of potty-training and social norms. No the female ejaculate is not urine. It is actually mostly sucrose and water secreted through the urea hence the reason it feels the same way to a woman. If you want to learn more about how to do this with the lady of your choice you can do a quick search on Google. Don't waste your money though. There are folks out there that will want to sell you a system or video presentation for forty bucks or more. PM me before you click the 'add to cart' button. I can put you in touch with a guy that will sell you the same video for four bucks, for that matter he can get you other porn that isn't so instructional as well, but I digress.
My point here is that just like you get extra horny when a provider has gone to the trouble to be fresh, clean, and as attractive as they can make themselves, they are humans too and the more you give the more you get, and I am not just talking about money.
And for you goofs that are going to itching to post a reply of: 'I pay them to so I don't care what they think, then you have not met a provider that happens to be a woman that loves to give head and likes you enough to be herself as she gobbles your pole. That passion can't be faked.
Sadly, I didn't find this out until I was hobbying-for a long while. Keep in mind I had my first 'dream' right in the middle of the nightmare of AIDS in the early eighties, when people wondered if it was even safe to kiss deeply.
My experiences with civilian BJ's were less than stellar, most likely because they were always covered, even as a teen at the drive-in, you knew you better bring a condom if you wanted to reach third base with the epidemic dominating the headlines. Then later the one uncovered blow job blow job I got from a girlfriend was all teeth and no spit. Then later even my wife at the time, made me cover up for oral sex and admitted after a few months that she HATED the very thought of oral sex.
I sort of figured that all women were really like that-until I splurged one day as a young man and went with professional talent when on a business trip in a city that pretty much winks at everything our city blushes at. I couldn't resist, there were handbills all over the lobby and even in the room that advertised a variety of exotic things I didn't even know about. Because I was born and raised in Porkopolis.
Now, sure I was wet behind the ears and got wrapped up in the illusion of the passion and quickly forgot the price I paid for it, but this was my first experience with a woman that ever approached anything like I saw in porn. I looked down and started doing baseball stats in my head just to make it last longer. I remember looking down as she devoured me and thought: "this woman thinks my dick tastes like chocolate!"
I came a few strokes later and it was a CBJ!
I had an epiphany-forget civilian sex, when you pay for it you ALWAYS get a woman that loves to do this, that's why she is doing it, right? I even got in the habit of even being a nice guy and started buying flavored condoms just for the oral sex. Like I said, wet behind the ears.
Of course, I found myself chasing the dragon. Pretty soon even great blowjobs did little to make me cum. I just chalked it up to me getting older and being a bit more in control, or maybe the talent just wasn't what it used to be. Maybe it was just the novelty of passion, even if it was an illusion I paid for. In reality it was the lack of cover, but I would ran the other direction at the thought of being with somebody you didn't 'love' and being uncovered. I would run twice as fast, if it were a professional back then. Some of you don't remember the covers of Time magazine scaring the hell out of you.
By the way, I would later discover something about those flavored condoms: they are slightly smaller than the regular ones. I don't know if that is intent on the design, or if it is the nature of the flavoring and coloring process, but either way if you are a guy of girth like me, you need a Magnum anyway, putting on one of those flavored condoms could restrict your orgasm. Either way I soon discovered when I didn't have a bright orange tourniquet around my cock, I could actually cum much easier. I can only imagine what orange flavored rubber must taste like anyway.
I didn't learn that little trick until the internet came and some provider shared that info in a post a decade ago. She actually uploaded the photo proof with a ruler and shared her thoughts on flavored vs. Unflavored condoms. Speaking of the internet, you younger folks have no idea how blessed you are. Some of us have been mongering since a Commodore 64 was a fast and expensive personal computer. Some of us can even remember the Radio Shack Trash 80 that came with a cassette tape, and some of us even remember using slotted data punch cards.
Any way, when you used to have to trust a buddy or fellow monger you met at a club for info, or trust the Yellow Pages (If you didn't understand my Commodore 64 metaphor, you probably didn't know hotel rooms used to come standard with this really big book in every room that you had to actually page through to find the location and phone number of a given service or product you wanted, and I am not talking about the one the Gideons put there) or the given city's alternative community paper you could find at most clubs and you literally opened the newsprint up. Turned to the back page (yep, that is where the name of the electronic source many use came from) and read the adult classified section and tried to read between the lines and hope you didn't get cash and dashed, mugged, raped, or had the lovely surprise of a tranny-goat knocking on your hotel door.
The internet changed mongering forever. Pretty soon we were exchanging information and learning about the hobby in a whole new way. When you added instant information and research to the mix, you have a beautiful thing in the pay to play world.
Soon I was reading about this thing they called GFE and there were many heated exchanges over the whole CBJ vs BBBJ and even more initials like CIM or COF or COB, NQNS added to the acronym we used to just know as a plain old BJ.
It took me a while to get the hang of the lingo and how do figure out if a lady was into the same things you were into. My first experience with a BBBJCINQNS was my first professional uncovered blowjob. I think I came in less than a minute. It only happened because the provider I was seeing fairly regularly became comfortable enough with me to ask,"do you mind if we go without the rubber" as I dutifully reached over for the little foil square on the nightstand when things went from frisky to heated,"I'm not really a fan of cherry flavored rubber."
Believe it or not I actually paused and thought about it.
She didn't give me much time to think about it and went right at it. It was incredible. I never felt anything like this wonderful sensation in my life. Then I looked down and the visual of her happily gobbling my cock caused me to surge and I curled my toes and fingers and fought back the urge to cum and worried about the whole CIM thing I had read about.
Should I warn her? Does she know I am ready to cum? Should I just let her go, should I pull out and shoot it someplace other than her mouth. I reached down and lifted her chin. She pulled off and said, 'you've never cum before during a REAL blowjob, have you? '
I grinned sheepishly at her and she returned my look with evil, impish grin.
"Get ready for the ride of your life," she whispered in a husky voice and then she really went to town. I wanted it to last forever, but it was more like forty seconds and I exploded and when I reached down instinctively, she pushed my hands away, deep-throated me and swallowed every drop.
I was hooked.
Little did I know that she was actually the reigning queen of blowjobs in Ohio. If anyone remembers the parties that Always Amy used to throw around Halloween, she was the gal that had the five minute guarantee: "If she could make you cum in five minutes or less, you had to pay her charity $50, which was a pretty good sum back in the day. I think she earned the charity a few thousand dollars during the weekend party; I don't think anyone got a free blowjob from her that weekend.
That was a long time ago. Since then providers have come and gone. Many of them were very talented and it was sad to see them leave, others well to quote a wiser monger here: "well, goodbye and good luck working at Taco Bell."
Keep in mind, there is a great deal of width between the provider that is your ATF and the one that should go back to Taco Bell. My ATFs tend to be oral people, like me. Some people are wired differently. Some actually enjoy oral sex more than regular sex. I have come to respect folks that view this matter from a different vantage than where I am at this moment.
If a lady asks for a cover during oral sex, I will comply without a word of complaint, but it does go into any review I would write, and I won't re-book. BBBJ's are that important to me. I have no problem with tolerating other positions on this issue. In fact, there was great provider that just retired this year that I frequented often. She is from northern Ohio and was known for great blowjobs, so I booked with her. I soon learned why she traveled around the state and always had a full dance card when visiting if you didn't act quick: she gave an awesome blowjob. I booked with her regularly and even drove to the other cities when possible just for that awesome blowjob. The more I saw her, the more I got know her. I started noticing a pattern that she often would excuse herself during oral sex if I came. I finally asked her about it and she confided in me that she loved giving head, but hated the texture of cum. She only did CIM because of the all-important dollar.
Folks, that gave me great pause.
As some of you know it is possible to forge a type of friendship with some of these ladies and when she confided in me, I had a whole new respect for others. This poor girl was often just holding the cum under her tongue until she could sneak away to spit or hide her face as she grimaced and swallowed. To be honest, I would never have noticed her discomfort if I wasn't seeing her several times a month (I had a lot more disposable income back then). I told her that was the last time I would ever cum during oral sex with her. She feared that meant I wasn't booking anymore, but I assured her by paying her in advance (something I never do) for a session the next day and would bring some porn videos with me so we could try to emulate what was done in the videos. That was when we discovered the joys of COF and COB. She was great at giving head. She was so good at it that I went from being a one-shot-on-goal-and-then-I-need-a-nap-and-sandwich kind of guy, to learning the wonderment of multiple shots on goal with her for my first time in my history. As I have noted, I have difficulty cumming, but once I do, I am usually done, but Jenna tutored me in many ways.
She became even better once she started to learn to recognize the cues that a guy was going to cum and could seamlessly let him ejaculate with little or none of it getting past her lips. We had a load of fun (pun intended) practicing our timing. The first few times we missed the beat and told her just to let it fall back out of her mouth. By Jove, I think we discovered something. If you think it is a visual turn-on to watch the moneyshot in porn, just imagine that video being real. Maybe I am weird, but the visual cue of her gobbling me right up until I orgasmed and then pumping my cock with her hands and spraying it everywhere really turned me on. I might like cumming, outside better than inside anyway. She was certainly happier and her blowjobs were already great, once she could relax and feel in control, they became legendary.
Jenna and I started seeing less of each other, as often happens with ATFs just for our own safety and sanity. So I was back out on the market and looking for a new gal that could ring my bell.
Soon I learned to be comfortable with either CIM or COB. If the lady is relaxed it will be better, so if you become a bit more fluid in your hobby boundaries, you might just catch lightning in the bottle for yourself. There were many providers they came and went that had similar stories and skills and learning curves.
Then came Columbus Nicole. If you are still reading this and knew her, there is nothing I need to say. That was the last provider that could pretty much dominate me orally anytime she wanted to, regardless of every tantric breathing trick I tried. I doubt I was the only one that she had that power with. That lady, honest as the day is long, simply loved to suck cock, and she would say it that way. Sadly she moved several states away.
So there is my opus on the GFE and why BBBJ is essential and CIM is a bonus.
Not all agree and that is fine. For me the BBBJ is as important as the money is to most gals. By the way, you do know that some of these ldies are leading second lives just like we are? Some of them got into the hobby by accident. They started as just swingers or maybe looking to connect on an adult side, but then they learn they are pretty damn good at this and they can get paid, and pretty soon you have your Uberwhore. That is a compliment, for those that miss my point. If you are lucky enough your uberwhore, cling to her, she is rare.
This shit of searching for the right gal all over again is worse then dating again, because you. Wait a minute you pay for it one way or another, nevermind.
Maybe I am weird, but I was so desperate I promised a provider I confided in of my current struggle and we arranged a deal that if she could manage to get me to CIM, I would pay her double. She put out a very earnest effort, but still no bang. She worked the way beyond the session, and still no joy in Muddville, I felt so bad, I gave her the bonus anyway. So come early March, when I recharge my hobby funds, I might wait and save up so I can go and see a sure bet.
I've been told that our local porn star, Sydney Thomas, is the woman to call, but I had an allergic reaction to her rates. That would be more than double that bonus I had offered to the lady I was pretty sure could get the job done. So what is a poor guy to do? Pay the premium for the supposed 'sure thing' or keep stumbling around looking for my next ATF. It wouldn't be my first porn star, but I am not sure four videos on Reality Kings makes you a star of enough quality to charge those rates. Now if it were Deidre Holland, I would take out a reverse mortgage. For some of you that is real blast from the past.[/QUOTE]
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Molly's "naughty" pics
OK, Molly, I'll bite, I'll take you up on your offer to comment in rants, raves and opinions.
If I were you or anyone else who posts pics, I would refrain from posting pics like this. I mean, just because we're mongers we aren't all perverts. Granted we're all here for the same p4p action, but most people that post here, providers and hobbyists alike, expect at least a little decorum. We like all kinds of providers, and all kinds of entertainment to be sure, but I would say that most providers and hobbyists prefer "sexy" to "raw." Not 100, but close to it. IMHO. Better porn on porn sites. I swear, my dear, this pic looks more like you're trying to stick a brat up your snatch than a man. Raw but not sexy. And besides, if you really want to be naughty, try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice you so proudly show off.
You are a fine fuck, no question, but you might rachet it down a notch, at least on this site.
Photos decorum class taste etc
Class, People are either born with it or they are not. College or collage does not earn it. Being born into money does not mean you have it an likewise being born without money does not mean you do not have it.
There is a difference between sexy and raw as mentioned. If I'm balls deep into you then seeing some of what you show is proper but right now on a public forum not really what people want to see to get in the mood. Some leg or something sultry works wonders.
Showing your asshole on a public site regardless of the site being a sex site prooves you do not have it. Sorry but molly I have seen you several times an there are various other reason why you leave me feeling like you do not have it, things you have said in private an such. Bash me to make yourself feel better cause I know you will but it will not make you feel better.
I'm with others about this an I try to stay out of dumb shit on here but I am putting my hand up on this one if for no other reason than to get an earful of defence when there is none.
While I am waiting on a reply I will go take a photo of my asshole to post so you get my point.
Been following this conversation
[QUOTE=Caligulaxxx; 1512214]Class, People are either born with it or they are not. College or collage does not earn it. Being born into money does not mean you have it an likewise being born without money does not mean you do not have it.
There is a difference between sexy and raw as mentioned. If I'm balls deep into you then seeing some of what you show is proper but right now on a public forum not really what people want to see to get in the mood. Some leg or something sultry works wonders.
Showing your asshole on a public site regardless of the site being a sex site prooves you do not have it. Sorry but molly I have seen you several times an there are various other reason why you leave me feeling like you do not have it, things you have said in private an such. Bash me to make yourself feel better cause I know you will but it will not make you feel better.
I'm with others about this an I try to stay out of dumb shit on here but I am putting my hand up on this one if for no other reason than to get an earful of defence when there is none.
While I am waiting on a reply I will go take a photo of my asshole to post so you get my point.[/QUOTE]I've been following this conversation wondering is this her dad or boyfriend. But now I get it you really want to post a pic of your asshole shame on you CALI.
Being Discrete, Disease and Drug Free, the Creedo of Hobbying
Discrete.
1. Having or showing discernment or good judgment in conduct and especially in speech : prudent; especially: capable of preserving prudent silence
2. : unpretentious, modest <the warmth and discreet elegance of a civilized home — Joseph Wechsberg
DISCRETION.
1. The quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment : the quality of being discreet : circumspection; especially: cautious reserve in speech
2. Ability to make responsible decisions.
I trust we all understand the other two!
To Sergeant Joe Friday, thanks for reading and collecting yet more asinine information for the files.
Brass
The ass of delicious dawn
[QUOTE=Delicious Dawn; 1513818]Giddyup,
No dear, you won't. LOL. I was just claiming the sexiest ass title as I do believe I have the nicest ass in the area. However; if you want a personal private look at both Molly and I, for your own comparison, we can make that happen.
Until then, no explicit photos of mine. That's just how I prefer to keep it.
All the best,
Dawn[/QUOTE]Well, folks, thats it for this poster on this subject. Don't want to make my identity on this site limited to discussing assholes, or gigging you dawn or even molly for their pics. I seen you both, not together yet, and I'm not makingany kind of comparison. Don't need to you are both fine ladies and have fine asses. As to your ass, dawn, yes indeed it is sweet, it is sassy and it is refreshing. Don't know if its delicious haven't tasted yet LOL the point I was making and am still trying to make has nothing to do with your ass or molly's ass or comparing them. I love them both. The point was and is about the hole in the ass, the asshole, not the ass itself. I've been looking at this site for a while now and have liked it despite the drama because it looked like providers and hobbiests were classier than plain ole' porn site girls and for that reason safer and more reliable. You said that providers are ladies and deserve respect which I completely agree with but sticking a gaping asshole in my face IMHO isn't deserving of the respect a lady with a little bit of class might merit. I'm probably naive or idealistic or whatever but thats how I see assholes on this site. Not that I don't love porn, both naughty and nasty. I can guarantee that my prurient interests are as great as anyone on this site but close ups of assholes staring me in the face on this site just doesn't do it for me. So dawn I'm all for you keeping your asshole off this site.
All the best, gg
Newbie. Don't get me started
I have nothing to do with you and ignored your pm last week where you asked if we could play. I did not reply. I've not spoken to you in a long time and prefer to keep it that way. I am going against my own rules by posting this, but what the hey.
I haven't the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. Why, Dear, would I care if you gave a glowing review of another? I don't. In fact, I am ALL for everyone being safe and I provide references for my gentlemen friends all the time. I want them to be safe. I want the ladies to be safe. I have no reasons to be jealous of anyone nor am I. Never. I am 100% confident in my own being and I am my own person. We are all not the same and if we were, we would be quite boring.
If you are referring to the Snow incident, which I believe you may be. That was SO long ago. Do you enjoy drama? I think that you do. I for one, do not. I am probably feeding you it right now. Shame on me. However: I do not like you bringing my name up and mixing Molly into it. She and I have not ever discussed you. Why? You are not worth our time. We see gentlemen and you my dear are a little boy. So, you are way off base with that reply to Ms. Molly.
What happened with Snow, happened. I was watching out for my friends here and I would do it again. Maybe you should have done your homework beforehand and you would have saved everyone time.
Please, go about your business and leave me out of it. No more pm's asking for an appointment. I have no desire to ever see you. Not ever.
Find something else to do besides sit behind a computer screen and cause / stir drama.
Honestly? I wish you all the best.
Dawn.
[QUOTE=Newbie 101; 1514029]First, if you could actually read? . I gave you a visual compliment.
Second, you may post whatever Fictitious claims you like. All this started months back when I gave a good review, for a provider, that upset Dawn. The drama & flames grew from there. I am not doubting Dawn's word. And, I did some recon to validate some of it. But, the end result? I still see the lady. She is a sweetheart to me. It is an obvious case of YMMV. Even though there have been issues for others (I guess) I have had nothing short of amazing times with her.
Then, you start in on me? I assume it is out of loyalty to Dawn. Not a bad thing. But, give me a break. The only time we have talked, so I assume you have my burn number, was when you wanted to trade a BJ for a bottle of vodka. Not my style. A great body only gets you so far. At least with me.
So, all is good. You have never, and will never, get a donation dollar from me. There are too many sweethearts available on the curcuit to deal with this kind of stuff.
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