Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Reliable;2084956]Since their focus is on good massages with a small amount of "tease" is kinda nice in itself. The establishment massage places tend to mummify their clients and though I do like a good massage, I'll keep scouting these out.[/QUOTE]I've never been "mummified" in any AMP in this area.

Lately I've been checking out a place that advertises in the "body rubs" section, they have a reputation that some extras may be available.

First time there, I opted for a table shower first as the way to break the ice. The attendant was very thorough about washing and drying everything. During the massage, she teased the hell out of me, far more than at any place in this area. Keeping things covered was not high on her agenda.

Went back later and got a different attendant who OK but not as good. No teasing but after the massage helped me get dressed including even the underwear.

So next time I called ahead and made an appointment specifically with the first one. Got there 20 minutes later, and she was not there, in fact has gone to Los Angeles. Asking why they'd book an appointment for her if she is not there got the "no speaky english" routine.

Ended up with the second attendant again. She did not remember me from before but, at the end while lying on my back, started doing very light strokes around my chest and nipples and just slightly under the towel. This seemed like a tease or a hint that I should do something if I wanted extras.

Couple of data points and questions:

Seems like getting a table shower is a good way to break the ice and get them more comfortable with you.

Letting them know you have been there before (asking for a specific therapist) seems to let them know you are a repeat customer and looking for a certain level of experience.

When is a good time to try touching them to let you know you are looking for something? For example sometimes sometimes while on my back they are pressing their legs against my arms, hell, even straddling and squeezing my arms. Although I've read elsewhere don't bother trying to touch them until after the flip.

Is the extended light feather touching of my chest and nipples (and just slightly under the towel) a hint of anything? And if so, how to respond in the affirmative?

Maybe it does take a couple of visits before they are comfortable with you, but I wonder in some cases if the teasing is just to keep you coming back on the "hope" of extras which never materialize.

Now one time at a different place which sucked, that place had thin walls and I could hear what was going on in the next room. The attendant went into the room but for some reason was busy? He said "but I wanted you! I will just come back later then!" So of course she said don't go, stay here and she will do it. Then later she was asking why he wasn't wearing a towel, he said it was "too hot". Then he directed her to massage his "lower body area".

So I don't know if I'd go THAT far to push them. There has to be some kind of balance. To let them know what you are looking for without practically abusing them.

[QUOTE=VanWGo;2076873]Anybody? Not putting name just incase its for real...what's the deal with that place...looks too legit...pm me if you have info...thanks.[/QUOTE]Never had any luck there, but I never had any luck anywhere but the now closed "can't miss" places.

I think it's way too legit, they have invested too much money to risk anything.

[QUOTE=Reliable;2084956]Sure wish the dummy that set up in residential areas had gotten his head out of his butt. Those were pretty much get whatever you're willing to pay for. Seems like my latest ventures have found a pretty tame environment. Even the ones where more adventurous women worked have pulled back As a dedicated massage fanatic I'll keep looking. Since their focus is on good massages with a small amount of "tease" is kinda nice in itself. The establishment massage places tend to mummify their clients and though I do like a good massage, I'll keep scouting these out. If I find one that is into expanding my horizon I'll be sure to pass the info on.[/QUOTE]Setting up in residential areas wasn't the cause of his demise. There was no cause. He got out when the gittin' was good. To set up this kind of operation in a "commercial location" would have been stupid. He was no "dummy."

I almost could have recommended the 105 xx place. Incredible massage by Yuyu, lots of teasing.

Went back later and had someone else. Completely mediocre massage, no teasing at all. Even left the room so I could dry myself after table shower. Ultra lame.

Really hit or miss in that location.

Hello all,

So I'm kinda new to this whole thing, just really started visiting MP's within the last 3 months or so. I have so far tallied 4 different massages at 3 different places.

So here goes, please correct me if I screw up on anything.

First 2 massages at the location 68* on 4th.

My first experience ever in a MP was here and I was unsure of what to expect or what I would actually end up receiving.

First girl was nice a little flirty and all, wasn't in for any extra's and the walls there where paper thin, so I could hear just about everything that was going on in the room next to us, so I for one didn't press anything, especially since this was my first time. Was disappointed though as the girl didn't even ask me about the table shower as I would later find out about my second time there.

My second time was here as well, I decided to maybe try a different girl and I went more towards the middle of the day when maybe they wouldn't be so busy. The message wasn't good, the girl barely talked but did offer me the table shower, but when I tried to hint towards anything extra there was a no-go immediately. I had tried talkin about it before hand but she avoided and didn't want to discuss anything with me. In the shower I tried to gently suggest again by starting myself but she just covered me up with a towel. So I knew, what I got was all I was going to get.

1 at 9* on 99.

Everything here was just meh, as I walked in girl got out of her car and walked in with me, she was the g. O. the. At the time. I was the only person there besides her. Opened with the Table shower, as I think it was AMP Guide who suggested that as an ice breaker, unfortunately the lady I had probably late 38-45 range in age was very much business like. The message was decent enough with no extras offered or hinted at. No teasing or playfulness at all.

1 at 84* on 99.

Had a great experience with a lovely girl here. Susan was the name she gave me, about 25-30 ish, nice body, took me by the hand and led me directly to the room so I could change into a robe for the shower. Was very friendly and touchy from the get go. Uncovered shower, felt very comfortable with her and I could see she was a bit apprehensive to start but we finished and then went to the room for the message. She gave a great message for one that was fully explorative. I started with subtle touches and she did not shy away. She was ok with me feeling my way around throughout the entire message. During the message she gave a few shutters to some of my touching and she got much more into it after that. Light kissing throughout the message and when time was ending up she was more than willing to help out during the last 10-15 minutes. While she didn't completely take over she did assist which was nice. Afterwards helping to wipe the oil off she gave a few kisses, helped me dress with lots of touching and cupping. I tipped her an extra 40, and she made sure to give me her number, name and schedule and told me when I come back to make sure and ask for her, and that she would do a better job next time. I reassured her she was great, and she gave me a kiss and cupped and she simply stated better and she rubbed a bit. I got the hint. I will be sure to visit back here as this has quickly moved to the top of my list. I know I don't have a lot of experience with this but hell, I walked away happy.

Sorry for the longer post but wanted to share my experiences with the MP's around here. If anyone has got suggestions of different places to visit let me know in a pm it would be greatly appreciated. Also thanks to all those who have posted already as picking up hints here or there has really helped alot.

Thanks for the post, Sgt.

68* on 4th is absolutely the worst experience I've had around here, fat ugly girl etc.

I'd suggest also exploring the two furthest north on 99,99* was good when lucey was there, also 105* if yuyu is still there.

So being on here and looking around I see that the Portland area pages are a little lacking in current updates and news. So I'm hoping there might be some suggestions for other sites to look into. I know about RM and TER and there is also EMP but I'm looking for something more like this as this seems more reliable than RM and the others.

Has anybody had success here!?

I went to the place at 5 k NE 4th pl Rd, behind the Carls Jr. I'm not really sure what to think.

The place has every possible window covered up, like most of the good AMPs, but when I walked in I was greeted by a girl in jeans & a t-shirt. I knew instantly it wasn't going to be a gimme. She took me back to the room, had me take my clothes off while she put away the .6 for the hr, and then came back. She then told me that she was going to do the TS after the rub, and all I could think was "fuck".

So the rub went down. She got close to the goods, but never touched. I flipped, clearly hard, and she covered me up. I pulled it off and she giggled, so I thought I was getting somewhere. I asked if I could touch her and she put my hand on her ass. She looked at my D and asked "you want?" I said "yes, please. " and then she put my own hand on my hard D. WTF? I asked "you want me to do it myself?" and she said "no," so I thought she was going to get me in a minute. Nothing. So I started stroking myself to see if I could get her attention. She giggled more, but nothing. I tried to slide my hand that was on her ass up her shirt, and nothing. I tried to gently push her hand down towards my D, and she grabbed my hand and put it back on her ass.

She finished the rub, took me to the generic TS, and then asked if she could help get me dressed. I said no, gave her .4 more (because her hands felt fucking unbelievable), and peaced out. No luck.

Please tell me somebody has had better luck here. I feel like I was almost there. I scrolled through a couple pages worth and didn't see anything. Feel free to PM if you'd like.

At any AMP. You have to make sure the girl feels comfortable with you and you are definately not LE. The pressure is sort of on and the girls are nervous. A few repeat trips help. I like the first place you come to on 99 after you exit I 5. Its not much visible and you have to go around the corner, but I like the place. Its also a good indicator what the girl is wearing. Tight clothes that are hard to get out of are an indication you will not get much. Not all the time. But if she is in a sun dress or something easily slip on and off able. Your chances are better. Being nice and clean is also a plus. Good looking helps also.

Has anyone heard of any places where they have some Caucasian girls working. I miss the good days of spokane. Not that I do not like the Asian girls, its just time for a change up.

Stay safe out there.

Happy summer.

[QUOTE=********;2118039]At any AMP. You have to make sure the girl feels comfortable with you and you are definately not LE. The pressure is sort of on and the girls are nervous. A few repeat trips help. I like the first place you come to on 99 after you exit I 5. Its not much visible and you have to go around the corner, but I like the place. Its also a good indicator what the girl is wearing. Tight clothes that are hard to get out of are an indication you will not get much. Not all the time. But if she is in a sun dress or something easily slip on and off able. Your chances are better. Being nice and clean is also a plus. Good looking helps also.

Has anyone heard of any places where they have some Caucasian girls working. I miss the good days of spokane. Not that I do not like the Asian girls, its just time for a change up.

Stay safe out there.

Happy summer.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this was directed at me, or just a general post. I definitely understand comfort, LE checks, etc. I'm very kind, in great shape, very clean, and I like to think decent looking haha.

I think it was pretty clear that I was not LE also. I was very openly naked, I was grabbing her butt (she even put my hand there), tried to slide my hand up her shirt, stroked myself, etc.

Anyway, I'm going to try again and report back. Thanks for the 99 tip. I'll check it out!

After the 500 exit going north on I5. I think 99 is the next exit. After the first light. And just before the next light. Turn left as you approach the rental buildings and the office rentals on your left loop back up and around and there is a hidden massage place. It's a great place.

Thank you AMP Guide, as it's been a crappy week so I'm going to head in tomorrow or Thursday. I will post my results. AG is there anyone you suggest or are they all preferred?

Are there any other races represented in the PDX / Vancouver area? Don't get me wrong, I love asians. But, choices are fun.

So last night I went to hunt down the spot AG talked about. I pulled into a shopping center and went to a place called Red * lets just say not what I was expecting, no allowing for roaming feels or anything. I placed the tip on the table before everything started, also no TS not to start or finish Mediocre massage at best, although the lady had a odd fascination with my rear, nothing hinting towards extras at all. Massage was only $50 as well so that was a bit of a welcome surprise as I TOFTT and it was 10 cheaper than normal LOL.

After leaving I decided to go hunt around in the immediate area, as I was pretty sure this wasn't the place AG was referring to. I went to another little parking lot and noticed a sign for a Vista place that was even open after 10 pm but didn't have the time to try it out last night. I was planning on going today but some work stuff came up so I plan I hitting it up tomorrow afternoon. AG if ya see this it would be appreciative if you could confirm or deny wither Red * was the right / wrong place, or if maybe I just got the one lady who didn't provide anything extra. Her name was Liddie (sp).

But the other one I like.

Much appreciated AG.

[QUOTE=AmpSgt;2120697]So last night I went to hunt down the spot AG talked about. I pulled into a shopping center and went to a place called Red * lets just say not what I was expecting, no allowing for roaming feels or anything... I went to another little parking lot and noticed a sign for a Vista place that was even open after 10 pm [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE==********;2120868]But the other one I like.[/QUOTE]I saw the Red place last night, but just assumed it wouldn't be good with how crowded the parking lot was.

I did try the other place last night, and it was. Interesting. Some older (probably 50 yr old) woman that didn't speak a word of English answered the door. She got Anna on the phone who said she'd be there shortly but this lady would start. Eh, sure. Why not.

Unfortunately, Anna didn't show up until 55 minutes later. This lady (sorry I forget her name) was really nice & gave an ok, full 50 min massage, finished off by a HJ (after copious amounts of hinting / asking). She was def not up for FS, not that I would have anyway. Too old for my taste. Anna showed up as I was getting dressed. She is actually pretty damn cute. I think I'll go back for her.

So today I went in and actually got Anna. She started the massage and I went to test the waters with slight roaming and immediately I was told no. She did ask me if it was my first time there and I told her yes, but that it had been recommended. She laughed a bit then just said again no. So while the massage was rather nice, nothing extra. When the massage was over she did leave me with some glimmer of hope, as she told me they would be moving locations here within the next week or so and told me to keep her number for a future visit. So I dunno was very mixed at the end.

J & AG maybe ya could give me some pointers on what might help my success rate LOL. I've read through the MP forums here and have picked up some pointers and such but, is there any verbage you guys use that is understood by the AMP's?

I went to this AMP very disappointing, girl very hot looking likes to rub your butt A hint of tease but at the end wants you to do yourself, Not going to happen. Try to talk to her and no speak English. May try again with other girl. Is the same play as the yuyu at 105*.

A lot depends on your demeanor. When I was younger (been mongering since I was in my 20's) the ladies thought I was a cop. At that time in my life I was skinny, dressed conservatively in a suit and tie, and had a short haircut. Several of them asked why I did this sort of thing as they thought I was too young and attractive to be a pay-to-play fellow. Perhaps they were looking for a larger tip? Now being a chub in my fifties I don't ever get those type of questions. Probably the best recommendation is to find out the name of an employee prior to your visit and ask for her by name. If it's the same gal that greets you, just apologize and say the lighting is bad which is usually the case. Most Americans look alike to Asian folks. This lets them know you've been there in the past and what to expect. Think a lot of guys when they're indulging in the parlor scene for the first time are really nervous. I just like to talk to the gals when their doing the massage. Makes them more comfortable. If you learn a couple words in Cantonese, Vietnamese, or Korean this helps a lot too and puts them at ease with you. Try to be on your best behavior with hygiene and show a lot of respect and courtesy which I think is sadly lacking for many of their clients. Sometimes the gal has just had a bad day and for whatever reason doesn't want to cater to your whims. If this happens, always apologize and schedule another visit.

Gus.

[QUOTE=AmpSgt;2121613]So today I went in and actually got Anna. She started the massage and I went to test the waters with slight roaming and immediately I was told no. She did ask me if it was my first time there and I told her yes, but that it had been recommended. She laughed a bit then just said again no. So while the massage was rather nice, nothing extra. When the massage was over she did leave me with some glimmer of hope, as she told me they would be moving locations here within the next week or so and told me to keep her number for a future visit. So I dunno was very mixed at the end.

J & AG maybe ya could give me some pointers on what might help my success rate LOL. I've read through the MP forums here and have picked up some pointers and such but, is there any verbage you guys use that is understood by the AMP's?[/QUOTE]

I was thinking that might be my problem as well Gus, I'm just passing 30, short military style haircut, and still in pretty good shape as I work out pretty often. I know we all have our own reasons for going to AMP's mines simple, I married a woman who has no desire for sexual well anything. It wasn't like that when we first married but shortly after our second kid arrived almost 6 years ago. But anyways. I do know some Korean from my time over there and yes it's helped make a couple of them comfortable but ya. I haven't yet found a place to offer FS or even a BJ but here's to hoping that I will find a place soon. I think I might go visit Susan again as she at least did help with the finish and she may be more comfortable with me since it will be the second time with her. I also know it's not a thing where it always happens the first go around, and that I don't mind investing in some time and money. I might try to go track down those other recommendations that AMP Guide offered up.

To quad, are you referring to the place I recommended? The 84** place? Did you ask for the girl I recommended or which girl did you have?

As always any suggestions and advice is always welcome, also if anyone knows of anything closer to the SE Portland side it would be much appreciated. Driving out to 99 can be troublesome at times.

[QUOTE=JGreat;2121088]I saw the Red place last night, but just assumed it wouldn't be good with how crowded the parking lot was.

I did try the other place last night, and it was. Interesting. Some older (probably 50 yr old) woman that didn't speak a word of English answered the door. She got Anna on the phone who said she'd be there shortly but this lady would start. Eh, sure. Why not.


Unfortunately, Anna didn't show up until 55 minutes later. This lady (sorry I forget her name) was really nice & gave an ok, full 50 min massage, finished off by a HJ (after copious amounts of hinting / asking). She was def not up for FS, not that I would have anyway. Too old for my taste. Anna showed up as I was getting dressed. She is actually pretty damn cute. I think I'll go back for her.[/QUOTE]Any hints on the place with the older woman? Name I should ask for? Been to 98 xxx, seems to be closed now.

I went by 105** today and had an enjoyable time with yuyu. While it was nice and ended with her giving a nice HJ, she is a bit on the older side for me. But heya wasn't bad. If I had to I would come back but I continue to search for one that suits me right. Maybe it's a pipe dream but I can enjoy the process in searching.

On another note.

I noticed 2 others places while driving down 99 today, places I've never noticed before so I thought I would ask and see if any of you all have had a visit or two at any of them. Like I said both are on 99 one is 67** and the other is around 79* The one on 79** looks to be promising from the outside as they have completely blacked out all the windows and doors and everything.

Anyways all,

Good luck in your endeavors.

Hey all,

Went back to 84** today and had an absolutely wonderful experience. Susan apparently no longer works there or at least that's what the lady on the phone said, but I decided to venture in anyways. I had Helen receive me as soon as I walked through the door, from the TS at the beginning I was pretty sure was going to end well. Throughout the message which was rather nice there was a ton of building up and mutual playfulness both of us where having a nice time. Towards the end when she asked me to flip she climbed up on the end of the table and much to my surprise finished me off with a BBBJ, and for the first time in my life which I was def. Caught off guard also did a FUTB. Both surprising, would pass on the latter if asked again but was very nice indeed. Hoping to see more of her again as she def. Hinted at more being available.

Good luck to all ya'll and be safe as always.

[QUOTE=AmpSgt;2126320]Hey all,

Went back to 84** today and had an absolutely wonderful experience. Susan apparently no longer works there or at least that's what the lady on the phone said, but I decided to venture in anyways. I had Helen receive me as soon as I walked through the door, from the TS at the beginning I was pretty sure was going to end well. Throughout the message which was rather nice there was a ton of building up and mutual playfulness both of us where having a nice time. Towards the end when she asked me to flip she climbed up on the end of the table and much to my surprise finished me off with a BBBJ, and for the first time in my life which I was def. Caught off guard also did a FUTB. Both surprising, would pass on the latter if asked again but was very nice indeed. Hoping to see more of her again as she def. Hinted at more being available.

Good luck to all ya'll and be safe as always.[/QUOTE]I've been there a few times myself. My favorite was Mae, no longer there. I'll be sure to try Helen. For some reason I get the heebies when the front is staffed by a guy / whatever. Usually they are pretty cool but only after he's seen you visiting a while. Can't go wrong with Ki Mi at 50* Loads of fun.

Just wondering if anyone has checked out the massage on 82? Looking to see if we have anything good on this side of the river.

I am new to this sight, but have been to few AMPs in my time (both here and in Seattle. Unfortunately, most are closed (10100, Garison, 94* to name a few. Had a great time at 98/ MP, but it seems they are closed also. Reading some of the reports, which you guys recommend for "services". I don't mind older (sometimes I prefer it). Been reading about 84 and 105 here, and some hidden place. Please help. Thank you for input and time.

No extras at the 82nd and Powell AMP. Or the hundred 81st and start painting P. Both are nice places. Both seem to be pretty legit. Other than a private amts or apartment AMP in the Portland area. Nothing like the one in Vancouver. I am old also always looking for pretty young girls that just need a little extra money on the side. I've had a couple consistent ones lately. Unbelievably beautiful they are. Now that the weather's nicer with a lot more fun out. Have a great day.

Hey I'm new here, went to one of the parlors that got shut down in VA earlier this year and I'm trying to find new places to go to. Where is a good place that I can go to find these locations, you guys redact the addresses here, which is fine, probably best for everyone, but doesn't help me on my quest LOL. I registered for rub maps but everywhere that gave erotic attention is closed on that site. I did find one location recently listed on BP so I might check that one out, but I can't find any reviews so I'm unsure if it'd be worth the time / money.

I checked out the one at 94** all older women. The one I had let me roam around and take her breasts out and play but no return play but sounds like 2nd time good time so I will try again. Thanks for the info on the Portland spots. It would be nice to find something closer and more open like the ones that shut the doors like 25th 1001 94th.

[QUOTE=AmpSgt;2124378]I went by 105** today and had an enjoyable time with yuyu. While it was nice and ended with her giving a nice HJ, she is a bit on the older side for me. But heya wasn't bad. If I had to I would come back but I continue to search for one that suits me right. Maybe it's a pipe dream but I can enjoy the process in searching.
[/QUOTE]So what's your secret? All I got from yuyu was a tremendous amount of teasing but nothing else. Next time I went back I got a different girl (the one working the desk) which was horrible.

Do you just start flirting and touching right away? With yuyu teasing, I did all I could to lose the towel but she kept covering me back up. She was all smiles outside when I went to leave and tip her. I guess these girls have seen it all and it doesn't hurt to push the envelope a bit.

While we are at it, here are some places to avoid:

68 xx at 4th.

False advertising, constantly having "grand opening" but have been around for years. Creepy papasan tells you to go in the room, get completely naked, like you're about to be in for a good time. But, lame average massage with no HE, by the oldest, fattest, ugliest girls you'll ever find around here.

105 xx Mxxx Pxxx.

False advertising, constantly having "grand opening". Had one younger girl working there (early 20's). Asked for her my 2nd time there. But halfway through the massage, she left and was replaced with an old ugly one. Did not appreciate the switcheroo and will not go back.

19 xx 42nd Portland.

This is actually a pretty nice place, but they advertise in the "Body Rubs" section which is misleading and false advertising since they are 100% legit. Will try my luck at other places.

So today went back to 84** and Helen is no longer there. It's unfortunate as she was very much my type, younger, asian, really nice body. Although I was disappointed to learn Helen is gone, I was well taken care of by a slightly older lady. Not quite what I got from Helen but a start, maybe this one will last a bit longer. It seems there is a revolving door at many of these establishments with the girls working.

To add to PDXGuys list.

99** on 99 is an absolute no go.

13** on 99th same thing.

64** on 4th is also a no go.

Vista is in the process of moving as I saw their new location as well as one of the lady's working there. They were moving stuff into their new location.

The AMP's at 98** Mill Plain and 50** are now both closed.

[QUOTE=AmpSgt;2133231]So today went back to 84** and Helen is no longer there. It's unfortunate as she was very much my type, younger, asian, really nice body. Although I was disappointed to learn Helen is gone, I was well taken care of by a slightly older lady. Not quite what I got from Helen but a start, maybe this one will last a bit longer. It seems there is a revolving door at many of these establishments with the girls working.
[/QUOTE]I had a nice time at 84** with Lisa, her first day up here from LA. Early 30's and really cute.

What's wrong with 99* It seemed promising depending on who worked there. Lucey seemed like a good bet, but moved to LA.

That's a problem with these places, a constant revolving door, you're lucky if the same girl is around more than a couple of weeks.

Also there is no point in calling ahead for an appointment with a specific girl, they will say "sure, come on in" and when you get there, find out she's actually gone.

New location for Vista?

[QUOTE=AmpSgt;2133231]So today went back to 84** and Helen is no longer there. It's unfortunate as she was very much my type, younger, asian, really nice body. Although I was disappointed to learn Helen is gone, I was well taken care of by a slightly older lady. Not quite what I got from Helen but a start, maybe this one will last a bit longer. It seems there is a revolving door at many of these establishments with the girls working.

To add to PDXGuys list.

99** on 99 is an absolute no go.

13** on 99th same thing.

64** on 4th is also a no go.

Vista is in the process of moving as I saw their new location as well as one of the lady's working there. They were moving stuff into their new location.[/QUOTE].

I'm traveling to Portland so I've been reading the reviews here. What's with the numbers with ** or xx after them? Local secret code?

[QUOTE=MrNoodly;2134746]I'm traveling to Portland so I've been reading the reviews here. What's with the numbers with ** or xx after them? Local secret code?[/QUOTE]Nah, we're just trying to be a little extra careful. ** and xx just take the place of numbers. Easy to crack if you check the local rub section of backpage.

It's not going to trick a detective, but it might trick a computer. Sort of like seeing phone numbers on Backpage & Craigslist listed as 5 Five5 1 O3 45 six7.

[QUOTE=VcrGuy;2133886]The AMP's at 98** Mill Plain and 50** are now both closed.[/QUOTE]The'you mean 5 k 4th plain? I was just there. It was a confusing experience (review below). Was there action to be had?

[QUOTE=VcrGuy;2134390]New location for Vista?

Check a few reviews below, and you'll see somebody who noted they were getting ready to move. I don't know where yet - we'll have to wait for somebody to report.

.[/QUOTE]

Search around the Minehaha car wash.