Seeking Arrangements (SA)

[QUOTE=KnoxTNman;2329642]Same exact thing happened with Jen as I mentioned here, a few posts below. Not sure why guys are facebook stalking women on a site where discretion is premium.[/QUOTE]I can totally understand searching for someone on facebook. Given the gray nature of "arrangements" it's hardly surprising that SDs would like to know to what extent a prospective SB is who she says she is, and I fully expect that SBs are also researching prospective SDs for similar reasons. What I can't understand is letting someone know (explicitly or implicitly) that you're stalking her on facebook. It's always been awkward to (appear to) know more a lot more about someone than that person knows about you.

A lot of the guys seem to be treating "real" SBs as UTRs. This will bring lots of problems to the arrangement. The problem (opportunity) for SD's is weeding out the profiles on SA's between SBs, UTRs and Escorts. This weeding process is done partially through verifying a SB via internet searches. Anyway you look at it, telling a POT that you are looking is just creepy and leads no where good. Telling a POT that there is a site where guys are chatting about them leads to nothing good unless she is UTR and asking you for help getting her name out.

All of you creepy guys, just makes it that much easier for us low key nice guys.

[QUOTE=MilfMan865;2329622]I've checked with few SA ladies who no longer have active profiles on SA. I had exchanged texts or emails with them before, so I had to reach out to them that way. I was wondering if they had found out an arrangement which necessitated the removal, but that's not the case. It turns out that quite a few guys (not saying that they are Board members, but could be) are allegedly using their post-doc in douchebaggery to harass, degrade, or otherwise creep out the ladies. Facebook stalking is running rampant, low-balling is the norm, the ladies fear being outed as a result of being on the site, and no one is talking real arrangements. This is totally unscientific and based on talking to less than ten ladies. I'm just relaying what I found.

Stay safe,

Milfman.[/QUOTE]I would also guess that there are those who read these sites info and look around on places like SA, and intentionally harass the women to get them to stop looking. Those are the same "Holier than though" assholes that push LEO to harass the girls and guys out there instead of go after actual criminals. They just have no other life.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2330246]A lot of the guys seem to be treating "real" SBs as UTRs. This will bring lots of problems to the arrangement. The problem (opportunity) for SD's is weeding out the profiles on SA's between SBs, UTRs and Escorts. This weeding process is done partially through verifying a SB via internet searches. Anyway you look at it, telling a POT that you are looking is just creepy and leads no where good. Telling a POT that there is a site where guys are chatting about them leads to nothing good unless she is UTR and asking you for help getting her name out.

All of you creepy guys, just makes it that much easier for us low key nice guys.[/QUOTE]The SA game is so much easier because I get to tell the women on there how creepy some of the girls are that I've met and how much I just want to meet a normal person. I have tons of lines that if I said to a girl in a bar would get me laughed at, but there are so many creepers on SA that it gets me a great selection of SBs wanting a cool, chill, low profile dude who just wants a mutually beneficial mutually respectful relationship. I never though being the nice guy would work in my favor, but here it does!

LTM.

I met her via SA, but she lives in another city where I travel. Like some of the girls around here, she claimed to be a virgin, but promised she gave great BJs and was willing to try anal. 23 years old. Yeah, sure. Whatever.

Anyway, two weeks ago I see her in her city. We spend the night together. Trust me, she is a virgin. And she still is. She felt so bad about no yet being ready for vaginal sex that she hooked me up with her sister, who is 27--and NOT a virgin. The sister and I texted some.

Speed the story along.

What is today? Friday? Wednesday night I spent the night in NYC with the sister. I bought her a ticket and arranged it so that I arrived almost an hour before she did, so we cabbed in together. We went to dinner, where she wore an incredibly skimpy dress, sans any undergarments. We made out like teenagers at dinner, went back to the hotel and fucked. Over and over.

Oh yeah: both sisters were there. At dinner. Making out at dinner. Walking down 6th Avenue. In the one king bed. In the shower. They didn't make out with each other, but they got tipsy and played with each other's tits. Several times the younger sister would position and insert my dick into her sister's honey pot. I could go, on and on and on. It was unfucking believable.

I took them to Canal Street and told them to get everything they wanted. They spent about $600. Neither asked for a nickel. I gave the younger sister (from the SB site) $500 and told her to give her older sis whatever she felt like, if anything.

I am still shocked. Still waiting for Alan Funt.

We all know there are ones we must be cautious of. This should be one you approach with caution. Seniors and trusteds can PM me for details if you wish.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee432f09/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

LTM.

So, this girl asked me for $7500/ month in allowance to meet 1-2 times / week.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/edc71d4c/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

A lot of profiles have disappeared in recent days, not sure why.

[QUOTE=KnoxTNman;2343865]So, this girl asked me for $7500/ month in allowance to meet 1-2 times / week.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/edc71d4c/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

A lot of profiles have disappeared in recent days, not sure why.[/QUOTE]It's hard not to laugh at some of them in reply after they say something like that. Being polite sometimes pays off in the long run though, after a month or so she might become more realistic in her expectations. She might then get back to you about your "the most I can do" offer, even if it's much lower than what she was initially asking.

Her profile seems a bit odd though, something just doesn't add up. Nobody her age writes like that.

Beware of this one, she seems like a scam artist.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e647a52c/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

She contacted me with a different user name and I turned her down based on things she messaged me as they sounded like a total hoax. So, she contacted me again using the account above. I know it's the same girl as she left the description on her profile the same.

Also. She constantly changes her location on profile. Secondly, she initially asked for $4 K a month. I replied saying I am looking for someone who can do for $1600/ month and she immediately agreed. It's hard to believe someone would accept an offer that's less than 50% of initial demand so immediately. She however wants the $1600 upfront in the first meeting. That's a huge red flag, atleast in my opinion.

[QUOTE=KnoxTNman;2345343]Beware of this one, she seems like a scam artist.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e647a52c/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

She contacted me with a different user name and I turned her down based on things she messaged me as they sounded like a total hoax. So, she contacted me again using the account above. I know it's the same girl as she left the description on her profile the same.

Also. She constantly changes her location on profile. Secondly, she initially asked for $4 K a month. I replied saying I am looking for someone who can do for $1600/ month and she immediately agreed. It's hard to believe someone would accept an offer that's less than 50% of initial demand so immediately. She however wants the $1600 upfront in the first meeting. That's a huge red flag, atleast in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I am on SD4 M, but part of the problem with SA is that they force the girls to select a desired allowance amount. Just disregard that completely when selecting pots.

I'm spending tonight with a 5'11", 20 year old Georgia Tech student. Costs me an iPhone 6.

[QUOTE=GaltGuy;2348749]I'm spending tonight with a 5'11", 20 year old Georgia Tech student. Costs me an iPhone 6.[/QUOTE]Hey brother, tell her to use that new phone to take some NICE selfies to send us!

I wish I didn't have to remind you not to talk about this site to the girls and non-trusted members for that matter. In saying that, let me remind you that if you find information out FROM this site, don't tell the girl that you found out that information regardless of who / what you claim that source was. Discretion is the only way this information train can continue.

All I know is that the only people I told this particular piece of information to are seniors, so one of you blabbed and I need to remind all of you not to talk about this site or WHAT you find out on here to anyone. If I tell you on PM, that means it stays on PM. Otherwise, I will stop giving out information to anyone. If that even matter to any of you.

Again, if I tell you something that makes you not want to see the girl, then don't see the girl. Don't tell her why you don't want to see her especially if *I* told you privately what you need to look out for. For all you know, *I* may have been the only dude she has ever seen in her entire life and she may have no problem finding out who the talker is. Remember, you don't have to tell the girl why you want to cancel or why you don't want to see her in the first place. "something came up" is fine and genuine.

LTM.

[QUOTE=LoveTheMerch;2349540]I wish I didn't have to remind you not to talk about this site to the girls and non-trusted members for that matter. In saying that, let me remind you that if you find information out FROM this site, don't tell the girl that you found out that information regardless of who / what you claim that source was. Discretion is the only way this information train can continue.

All I know is that the only people I told this particular piece of information to are seniors, so one of you blabbed and I need to remind all of you not to talk about this site or WHAT you find out on here to anyone. If I tell you on PM, that means it stays on PM. Otherwise, I will stop giving out information to anyone. If that even matter to any of you.

Again, if I tell you something that makes you not want to see the girl, then don't see the girl. Don't tell her why you don't want to see her especially if *I* told you privately what you need to look out for. For all you know, *I* may have been the only dude she has ever seen in her entire life and she may have no problem finding out who the talker is. Remember, you don't have to tell the girl why you want to cancel or why you don't want to see her in the first place. "something came up" is fine and genuine.

LTM.[/QUOTE]I've been asked now by two different SA ladies within the first few messages if I know of this board. Be safe. Have fun.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/edc71d4c/view?search-recently-active&[/URL]

Anyone seen her yet? Her monthly number keeps dropping.

"Originally Posted by KnoxTNman.

So, this girl asked me for $7500/ month in allowance to meet 1-2 times / week. ".

She deleted account but she looks familiar!?

I'm but an observer in your neck of the woods (I'm up in BNA).

Each time I come down here, I see an angry post of this type. Information is power gents! If you can establish who and what outside you can make an informed decision. Telling the world in a public forum is not the place.

Think on posting a link. If all of a sudden the girl gets numerous views to her profile, what is she going to think? The pros will think great. The newbies and real SB's will think twice about it, and typically will shy away.

Thankfully the same threat up in Nashville does not get many posts. Hell in less than 10 days since re-upping my SA account.

1 spinner fucked! $150 per week arrangement!

21 & 22 girls DTF next week for the same or less.

Still working on two others.

All with just 6 M&G's.

He'll if you all have a need, I'll set up a Google group so you can keep this shit out of the public eye! Someone step up and get this stuff behind a locked door! Those that want a SB v a hooker will be better off!

(end rant).

[QUOTE=LoveTheMerch;2349540]I wish I didn't have to remind you not to talk about this site to the girls and non-trusted members for that matter. In saying that, let me remind you that if you find information out FROM this site, don't tell the girl that you found out that information regardless of who / what you claim that source was. Discretion is the only way this information train can continue.

All I know is that the only people I told this particular piece of information to are seniors, so one of you blabbed and I need to remind all of you not to talk about this site or WHAT you find out on here to anyone. If I tell you on PM, that means it stays on PM. Otherwise, I will stop giving out information to anyone. If that even matter to any of you.

Again, if I tell you something that makes you not want to see the girl, then don't see the girl. Don't tell her why you don't want to see her especially if *I* told you privately what you need to look out for. For all you know, *I* may have been the only dude she has ever seen in her entire life and she may have no problem finding out who the talker is. Remember, you don't have to tell the girl why you want to cancel or why you don't want to see her in the first place. "something came up" is fine and genuine.

LTM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jem411;2349895]I've been asked now by two different SA ladies within the first few messages if I know of this board. Be safe. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's because some of the SBs are actually providers that advertise ON THIS BOARD. Yep, the SB Ashley tried to play me until I called her by her provider name. Bitches be trifling.

SouthernJohn.

Didn't this discussion begin because someone blabbed about information passed via PM? (you really can't get any more private than a PM). Or did I just completely misunderstand part of the post by LoveTheMerch:

[QUOTE] "...If I tell you on PM, that means it stays on PM..." [/QUOTE] Absolutely, that's THE rule. The problem might not be the board, but with mongers [I]who talk about[/I] the board.

[QUOTE=BackWoods;2354980][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e7613d8c/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

Beware of this one guys. She is a triathlon runner. No need for the gory embarrassing details. If you have contacted her watch out. If I know you I would share some details through PM. Other than that Beware is enough![/QUOTE]Not to cast any aspersions, but what was it about those tramp tats all over her that attracted you to her? She looked like a gang banger just from her photos.

[QUOTE=RJHunter;2356124]Not to cast any aspersions, but what was it about those tramp tats all over her that attracted you to her? She looked like a gang banger just from her photos.[/QUOTE]I think she's hot. To bad she did what she did. I like women with tattoos. Like forbidden fruit. Apparently this is bad apple though. Sorry for your trouble BW. Be smart guys and thanks for sharing info.

[QUOTE=EchoEcho;2355166]Didn't this discussion begin because someone blabbed about information passed via PM? (you really can't get any more private than a PM). Or did I just completely misunderstand part of the post by LoveTheMerch:

Absolutely, that's THE rule. The problem might not be the board, but with mongers [I]who talk about[/I] the board.[/QUOTE]EchoEcho,

You got it right. That was my point. I did not see the benefit of a Google group either, when this forum works the same way and is already well established. At least here I have some idea who I talk with and their history and reputation. A new group would eliminate that and would just mean reinventing the wheel. If I am going to continue to post, then it will be here.

LTM.

I've seen much written on the approach to use with non-pros and ladies on SA (and similar sites) across various media sources, in addition to private discussions. What I have come to understand is that your approach needs to be consistent with what you want. If you are looking for a brand new SB to break-in, there are approaches that are better aligned to success in that arena. If you are looking for an experienced SB, there are certain approaches that are in your favor.

I got into this world without knowing it over 3 years ago. I had a fabulous relationship with a lady in another state. My move to TN has torn us apart and thus started my quest for a new SB. I turned to SA because I didn't have the time to put in the legwork to cultivate a SB from the general population.

I don't have a lot of time, even given the SA supermarket of shelves stocked with all manner of potential SBs. So, I have developed a style that works for me. Many SDs like to be congenial in online communications with potential (POT) SBs. They want to schedule a meet soon to assess compatibility and see if intimacy is in the cards. They often slow-play the situation so as to not frighten off POT SBs.

I made the decision that I don't have time to work on creating meets that may only reveal incompatibilities. On addition, my business and personal travels take me through other larger cities, so my range for POT SBs covers local options plus those in other cities I frequent.

I use a process to learn as much about the POT SB as quickly as possible. Most have vague statements on the profile concerning what they are looking for. Unless she is very specific and I can rule her out based upon that, I have no problem contacting them. I cast a wide net on SA ignoring the amount they request. I am honest and accurate on my profile (don't put average if you are overweight). I don't post a public pic, but can share a private one if requested on SA.

If I get any interest back on SA, I engage quickly. Be advised, many of the younger girls get on the site infrequently and will shoot out responses to their 50 messages and then be gone for 3 or 4 days. I have no patience for that and move on.

For those that I start a dialogue with, I'm looking to establish compatibility quickly. I usually describe my current arrangement (time, frequency, general activities, etc) and ask if they are interested in something like that since I need a replacement SB. I then reveal more about my intimacy approach and ask about theirs. I ask them what they need (economics), but do not reveal what I have provided my SB. I let them know that every arrangement is between me and that SB (builds trust that you won't be discussing their business). I let them offer a number, but never treat them negatively for it. If it is crazy, I restate it like, " So you want $2000 to meet for about an hour in public once a month?" Followed by, "If you find that guy, tell him that I'll meet him for $1500. " Her reaction will tell you if she is reaching for as much as she can get, or has GPS.

During our discussions (SA, text, phone, e-mail) either of us may determine it won't work for compatibility issues (personalities, activities, availability, intimacy, economics). The sooner you can establish a problem and move on, the less time you waste.

A few weeks ago, I had meets lined up for 6 of 7 days (5 ladies, 1 repeat). 100% success rate on intimacy for 3+ hours with each. They were from as far away as 3 hours and all meets happened from Knox to Cookeville. Total outlay was less than 1300 including food and hotels, where needed. A good week, but had to rest to let skin on Mr Happy regenerate. Serious condom burn from ones that are to increase HIS pleasure. Nope.

I've had a few ladies flake on a meet, but I check ahead of time and have back up plans. I've had 1 meet that resulted in a planned session a few days later and she flaked before intimacy.

I know what I want, I go after it. I don't tolerate BS, irresponsibility, or lying. My experience is that the young girls may look great, but they are more trouble than they are worth to someone that is busy. Also, most can't hang in there during intimacy. I've found great success with insatiable, stable women.

Figure out what you want and what you are willing to invest. Take the plunge and develop your style. If you have any game, you will be successful.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2356874]I've seen much written on the approach to use with non-pros and ladies on SA (and similar sites) across various media sources, in addition to private discussions. What I have come to understand is that your approach needs to be consistent with what you want. If you are looking for a brand new SB to break-in, there are approaches that are better aligned to success in that arena. If you are looking for an experienced SB, there are certain approaches that are in your favor.

I got into this world without knowing it over 3 years ago. I had a fabulous relationship with a lady in another state. My move to TN has torn us apart and thus started my quest for a new SB. I turned to SA because I didn't have the time to put in the legwork to cultivate a SB from the general population.

I don't have a lot of time, even given the SA supermarket of shelves stocked with all manner of potential SBs. So, I have developed a style that works for me. Many SDs like to be congenial in online communications with potential (POT) SBs. They want to schedule a meet soon to assess compatibility and see if intimacy is in the cards. They often slow-play the situation so as to not frighten off POT SBs.

I made the decision that I don't have time to work on creating meets that may only reveal incompatibilities. On addition, my business and personal travels take me through other larger cities, so my range for POT SBs covers local options plus those in other cities I frequent.

I use a process to learn as much about the POT SB as quickly as possible. Most have vague statements on the profile concerning what they are looking for. Unless she is very specific and I can rule her out based upon that, I have no problem contacting them. I cast a wide net on SA ignoring the amount they request. I am honest and accurate on my profile (don't put average if you are overweight). I don't post a public pic, but can share a private one if requested on SA.

If I get any interest back on SA, I engage quickly. Be advised, many of the younger girls get on the site infrequently and will shoot out responses to their 50 messages and then be gone for 3 or 4 days. I have no patience for that and move on.

For those that I start a dialogue with, I'm looking to establish compatibility quickly. I usually describe my current arrangement (time, frequency, general activities, etc) and ask if they are interested in something like that since I need a replacement SB. I then reveal more about my intimacy approach and ask about theirs. I ask them what they need (economics), but do not reveal what I have provided my SB. I let them know that every arrangement is between me and that SB (builds trust that you won't be discussing their business). I let them offer a number, but never treat them negatively for it. If it is crazy, I restate it like, " So you want $2000 to meet for about an hour in public once a month?" Followed by, "If you find that guy, tell him that I'll meet him for $1500. " Her reaction will tell you if she is reaching for as much as she can get, or has GPS.

During our discussions (SA, text, phone, e-mail) either of us may determine it won't work for compatibility issues (personalities, activities, availability, intimacy, economics). The sooner you can establish a problem and move on, the less time you waste.

A few weeks ago, I had meets lined up for 6 of 7 days (5 ladies, 1 repeat). 100% success rate on intimacy for 3+ hours with each. They were from as far away as 3 hours and all meets happened from Knox to Cookeville. Total outlay was less than 1300 including food and hotels, where needed. A good week, but had to rest to let skin on Mr Happy regenerate. Serious condom burn from ones that are to increase HIS pleasure. Nope.

I've had a few ladies flake on a meet, but I check ahead of time and have back up plans. I've had 1 meet that resulted in a planned session a few days later and she flaked before intimacy.

I know what I want, I go after it. I don't tolerate BS, irresponsibility, or lying. My experience is that the young girls may look great, but they are more trouble than they are worth to someone that is busy. Also, most can't hang in there during intimacy. I've found great success with insatiable, stable women.

Figure out what you want and what you are willing to invest. Take the plunge and develop your style. If you have any game, you will be successful.[/QUOTE]Very well stated.

[QUOTE=Jem411;2356362]I think she's hot. To bad she did what she did. I like women with tattoos. Like forbidden fruit. Apparently this is bad apple though. Sorry for your trouble BW. Be smart guys and thanks for sharing info.[/QUOTE]I don't have any problems with tats, but when they have a cheap looking amateur tat that looks like they got it while in prison right across the top of their chest, I try to stay away.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2356874]Figure out what you want and what you are willing to invest. Take the plunge and develop your style. If you have any game, you will be successful.[/QUOTE]Your SA formula is superbly articulated sir. Spoken from a gentleman with a plethora of SA experience and successful notches on his belt. Quite a few gems of information in your depiction, so it is much appreciated. Off for strip club takeout for me ...

Stay Safe,

Milfman.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2356874]I've seen much written on the approach to use with non-pros and ladies on SA (and similar sites) across various media sources, in addition to private discussions. What I have come to understand is that your approach needs to be consistent with what you want. If you are looking for a brand new SB to break-in, there are approaches that are better aligned to success in that arena. If you are looking for an experienced SB, there are certain approaches that are in your favor.[/QUOTE]You should post this in the richmond virgina sugar daddy thread, we have contributors from all over the country there. Check it out. Liked your post.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2356874]I've seen much written on the approach to use with non-pros and ladies on SA (and similar sites) across various media sources, in addition to private discussions. What I have come to understand is that your approach needs to be consistent with what you want. If you are looking for a brand new SB to break-in, there are approaches that are better aligned to success in that arena. If you are looking for an experienced SB, there are certain approaches that are in your favor.
[/QUOTE]Breaking through the newer ones' initial jitters is probably the biggest barrier. Once you show that you can offer consistency, they are incredibly happy. Probably the one thing I have trouble with is not taking a straight enough approach. One of mine kept asking why I could never see her on a weekend. I make it a point not to talk about any other relationships, and I like building up the fantasy that it could turn into something else, but in the end, come on. Be real.

Just keeping it real.

Earlier I posted that a certain provider from this board tried to play me. She went by Ashley on SA, but we know her as Mandee (doubles with Blount Honey). While Mandee's performance may be stellar (and doubles with BH could be legendary), I don't take kindly to the dishonesty and deceit she displayed in dealing with me. I'm fine if pros want to pose as SBs, but don't try to BS me when I know your game.

So, while I haven't had any contact with either of these ladies on SA, they are both well known on this board.

Jenna1018 from Powell is SexiLexi.

Tonya N from Knoxville is LoveToPlease.

If you want to get in touch with them, feel free to use their contact info on the board or you can contact them on SA. The price structure is quite different though. You've been informed.

SouthernJohn.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2373061]Just keeping it real.

...
.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up SouthernJohn.

In the same spirit, I'm pretty sure "Brooke L. " is Blount Honey.

[QUOTE=ThermoNuclear;2373408]Thanks for the heads up SouthernJohn.

In the same spirit, I'm pretty sure "Brooke L. " is Blount Honey.[/QUOTE]T.

Now you two will probably bash me since I don't have your "senior" title but it doesn't matter to me if you do. To be begin be honest what are you truly looking for on that site, most likely a lady that you don't have to book an appointment with that say but one you can set up on a weekly basis same time every week. Don't fool yourself thinking since they are not a "pro-vider" they are not seeing other SD's also that is naive thinking. If when of those girls mentioned would find a guy that fullfils all they need they might just might stop being a provider. (Doubtful though) All I am saying is yes they shouldn't try denying being a provider if you KNOW 100% they are but even so it is how they chose to get be and who are we to begrudge them what they want if "we" are willing to supply them with the means. That is just my opinion take it or leave it, but I personally would post their names on here publicly but in a PM to members that are curious. I know a few more providers on that site and others that are on here and some well respected but I choose not to air their business publicly.

Bezee.

[QUOTE=ThermoNuclear;2373408]Thanks for the heads up SouthernJohn.

In the same spirit, I'm pretty sure "Brooke L. " is Blount Honey.[/QUOTE]The "Brooke L. " account was the same one that was titled "Ashley" and Mandee was working me from. BH may be using the same SeekingArrangement account (they use the same phone number on here so it's not a stretch). Regardless of who is behind the SA account, we know it's one of the doubles partners.

Play safe. Play smart.

SouthernJohn.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2373061]Just keeping it real.

Earlier I posted that a certain provider from this board tried to play me. She went by Ashley on SA, but we know her as Mandee (doubles with Blount Honey). While Mandee's performance may be stellar (and doubles with BH could be legendary), I don't take kindly to the dishonesty and deceit she displayed in dealing with me. I'm fine if pros want to pose as SBs, but don't try to BS me when I know your game.

So, while I haven't had any contact with either of these ladies on SA, they are both well known on this board.

Jenna1018 from Powell is SexiLexi.

Tonya N from Knoxville is LoveToPlease.

If you want to get in touch with them, feel free to use their contact info on the board or you can contact them on SA. The price structure is quite different though. You've been informed.

SouthernJohn.[/QUOTE]I do post here and on SA. I have never tried to hide that from anyone. I use the same pictures so that lets you know I'm not posing as someone else on SA. The board is slow for me for the last few weeks so I've had to branch out. I've never told anyone that they are the only one I see. Several providers that post here also post on SA. Why did you choose to call me out?

[QUOTE=LoveToPlease;2373967]I do post here and on SA. I have never tried to hide that from anyone. I use the same pictures so that lets you know I'm not posing as someone else on SA. The board is slow for me for the last few weeks so I've had to branch out. I've never told anyone that they are the only one I see. Several providers that post here also post on SA. Why did you choose to call me out?[/QUOTE]1). I didn't call just you out. I provided information to the members of this board on THREE different providers that I knew were also on SA. There may be more, but these are the only ones I have knowledge of.

2). I admitted that I had no contact with two of you through SA. I made no reference or implied that you were being deceitful (Mandee is another issue). I DID point out the difference in the economics. Anyone can look at your requested monthly amount on SA and also look at your posted rates here and see for themselves.

3). If you went to SA to make up for slow times here on the board, how would this revelation be harmful. At worst, someone that found you on SA would ask for your board rates. Therefore your board business picks up (good for you). If you would like to propose that this information would be costing you the difference between the SA monthly amount and a few board rate visits, then your "I'm not deceiving anyone" argument falls apart.

4). If someone was looking for a SB and ended up with a pro, that was not what they were looking for. You stating that you never tell them that they are the only one you are seeing isn't a false statement, but it is withholding truth (both are deceit). So, I provided information and they can make the decision based upon what they want.

5). I have nothing at all against you. In fact, I constantly see GREAT reviews about your performance. You have a fan following and it appears repeat business. I'm sorry that it is a bit slow for you lately.

So, if SA is just another advertising venue and a rate generating mechanism, then it shouldn't matter if those that read this board know. You use the same pic so it should be obvious to them. But we are guys. Sometimes a bit slow.

I answered your public question with public answers. If you would like to discuss this any further, I suggest PM.

SouthernJohn.

[QUOTE=Bezee2012;2373461]T.

Now you two will probably bash me since I don't have your "senior" title but it doesn't matter to me if you do. To be begin be honest what are you truly looking for on that site, most likely a lady that you don't have to book an appointment with that say but one you can set up on a weekly basis same time every week. Don't fool yourself thinking since they are not a "pro-vider" they are not seeing other SD's also that is naive thinking. If when of those girls mentioned would find a guy that fullfils all they need they might just might stop being a provider. (Doubtful though) All I am saying is yes they shouldn't try denying being a provider if you KNOW 100% they are but even so it is how they chose to get be and who are we to begrudge them what they want if "we" are willing to supply them with the means. That is just my opinion take it or leave it, but I personally would post their names on here publicly but in a PM to members that are curious. I know a few more providers on that site and others that are on here and some well respected but I choose not to air their business publicly.

Bezee.[/QUOTE]You make a few decent points, but none addressed the thrust of my original post. If an inexperienced SD didn't know how to figure out that they are dealing with a pro (many partners), they aren't getting what they want / expected. Note: even if a true SB is seeing multiple SDs, that generally low mileage in comparison.

I also pointed out the stark discrepancy in the economics. If you want to pay $3 k / month for 3-4 two hour dates, have at it. It's way less at their board rates. We all know negotiation happens and the SA rates are over-inflated. Still, there's no need to deal with that BS when the rate is on the board.

Now, here is the situation as I see it. I provided information for the benefit of the guys. If the girls don't like it, that's fine. I just stated facts. I didn't make generalizations or make irresponsible statements. None of the guys will ever doubt that I stand in their corner first and foremost.

SouthernJohn.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2373625]The "Brooke L. " account was the same one that was titled "Ashley" and Mandee was working me from. BH may be using the same SeekingArrangement account (they use the same phone number on here so it's not a stretch). Regardless of who is behind the SA account, we know it's one of the doubles partners.

Play safe. Play smart.

SouthernJohn.[/QUOTE]Brrrrr its chilly and snowy outside. I think I will go outside play in the snow and make beautiful snow angels.

I have to agree most with number 4 below. That to me is the most troubling. If I go on SA I want one thing if I go on escort ads to get a date, I am wanting another. I have pretty much gone exclusively SA now and find it very troubling when a girl I have met previously as an escort or seen advertising as one is advertising on both sites. Worse is when I don't know until I meet her. I am not saying I know a provider's motives in those cases and I am not pretending to know them. It does seem deceitful to me to be advertising as a SB when in reality you are just finding new revenue streams as an escort. Every SB relationship is different, indeed. Just as any guy who goes onto SA to search out an escort or an escort type relationship would fall into the same category. I see guys post all the time here as if that is all they are looking for in a SB from SA. So, there is a lot of hypocrisy when a guy here criticizes a provider for essentially using SA for doing the same thing. The relationship I am looking for on SA is fundamentally different than the relationships I am looking for on escort sites.

Disclaimer: I am not calling anyone in particular out and I am not saying anything is wrong, just pointing out my opinion on a matter which seems to be up for discussion. Perhaps SA is a totally appropriate place to get and find escorts. I just think it is important to be honest and not call a spade a heart.

[QUOTE=SouthernJohn;2374273]1). I didn't call just you out. I provided information to the members of this board on THREE different providers that I knew were also on SA. There may be more, but these are the only ones I have knowledge of.

2). I admitted that I had no contact with two of you through SA. I made no reference or implied that you were being deceitful (Mandee is another issue). I DID point out the difference in the economics. Anyone can look at your requested monthly amount on SA and also look at your posted rates here and see for themselves.

3). If you went to SA to make up for slow times here on the board, how would this revelation be harmful. At worst, someone that found you on SA would ask for your board rates. Therefore your board business picks up (good for you). If you would like to propose that this information would be costing you the difference between the SA monthly amount and a few board rate visits, then your "I'm not deceiving anyone" argument falls apart.

4). If someone was looking for a SB and ended up with a pro, that was not what they were looking for. You stating that you never tell them that they are the only one you are seeing isn't a false statement, but it is withholding truth (both are deceit). So, I provided information and they can make the decision based upon what they want.

5). I have nothing at all against you. In fact, I constantly see GREAT reviews about your performance. You have a fan following and it appears repeat business. I'm sorry that it is a bit slow for you lately.

So, if SA is just another advertising venue and a rate generating mechanism, then it shouldn't matter if those that read this board know. You use the same pic so it should be obvious to them. But we are guys. Sometimes a bit slow.

I answered your public question with public answers. If you would like to discuss this any further, I suggest PM.

SouthernJohn.[/QUOTE]