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Some thing I find on one of the group

Always good to read and think 1st

[quote]*SA: Street Rules*"

LAST EDITED ON 23-Jul-09 AT 03:43 AM (PST)

These are now anchored, due to popular demand ... otherwise known as "Rules for the Newbies" , originally posted courtesy of Piker:
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

1. NEVER talk thru the window! Period.

2. NEVER pick up a gal on the main drag (motion them or signal them to go down a side street). If they are too dense, or lazy to walk down the side street ... just move on.

3. Let THEM open the passenger door and hop in (you will miss a lot of action this way, but you are guaranteed not to get busted: I hope) The best pickups are when they hop in and immediately grab your crotch (which rarely happens). Asking "Do you need a ride" is better than.."I need to get laid" or " Looking to date"...etc..IF a girl says meet me "over there, around the corner" etc ...just drive away in the opposite direction - say "Sorry there must be a mistake; I thought you were hitching for a ride"

4. Once in your car:

A. Generally from what I understand if they are inside your car it’s a good chance they are not affiliated w / LE.
B. Do a “cop check”. Grab a tit or have her grab your crotch..or anything resembling that. Experienced girls will automatically do this. I still shy away from that unless I have driven a block or two.
C. Don’t tell them what you want nor how much you want to spend (many will ask “how much you got?”.. that’s irrelevant), I usually ask "what’s on the menu"? if they are reluctant to say, I make that I'll drop them back off, and usually they will say what they offer and what they want to charge. I usually negotiate down and then if its been a good session I tip them. It doesn’t pay to be cheap with a few bucks.

5. NEVER pick up a girl on impulse, drive around , check her out, see what is going on. If you miss her (ie: another dude picks her up, then you know shes good to go) - later you may get another chance.

6. RECON the area; I usually cruise a few loops around adjacent blocks to get a feel for the area (I have often spotted LE lurking around the next corner and even actually scoping out the same girl!)

7. Don’t count on them having condoms. Bring some with you.

8. Don’t count on them being freshly showered: I usually bring cleaning supplies with me. Please don’t think your the first guy they have dated that day ... because, frankly, you're probably not.

9. If you go for 1/2 and 1/2 get them totally naked, if you can. If they ask for money first, give it to them after they are stripped. DO NOT pay money up front if possible. If not possible, pay half now half later when done. Remember if it was a good date and you want to see them again ... tip generously. If you pay all money up front be prepared to get burned in some way.

10. Hide your wallet and stuff, have the money separate from the wallet.

11. Have a spare key made! Use a dummy key ring in case they rip it off.

12. Insist they turn off their phone. I tell them if the phone rings and interrupts us and I get soft, we start over again. It doesn’t always work, but they put the damn thing on vibrate and ignore it.

13. I've started to walk their stroll, this gets me closer to them so I can see what they look like. Usually I can strike up a conversation, they do the cop thing at that point, sometimes I walk away, sometimes I negotiate them to go down a side street, often you get a number

14. Its best to pass up a dynamite chick than to break any rules and take the chance. Remember “IF ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT PROBABLY IS”.

15. Run away from the ones that yell "you want a date? you got 80 bucks!?"

16. Recon Recon Recon

17. Have patience, patience, patience

18. Average 1/2 & 1/2 = 60 bucks.
Carry 20's. 10's and 5's. If you get a cheaper deal, how you going to break a 20? or tip a smaller amount?

19. Don’t go to their place (for a car date). Always have a spot picked out of your own. It took me two weeks to find a spot. If they don’t want to go to your spot, drop them back off. Note: If you have dated them before and have a “relationship” then their spot is OK. The point is you don’t want to get mugged by a new girls pimp.

20. Bring a camera?

21. Wet wipes; for cleaning up before or after

22. If you go to a clinic to get a checkup; DESTROY all paperwork before you leave the clinic. If you must keep some document, leave it in a secure place at work.

23. If you get a good deal (like a 1/2 1/2 for .4), and you think you want to repeat later, give them a tip. They will remember you and give better service next time. I even tipped one 20 bucks one month later (because I didn’t have any more $ on me,) she was like, "you got my #, call me soon, I'll do you even better". Yeah baby............

24. Bring along a banana, you may get hungry later....or....

25. Take a piss right afterwards.......so drink some water before the stroll

26. If you keep your napkins in the glove box (this is the first place these girls look for cleaning up jizz), make sure your registration and checkbook and any other ID material or valuables is not in there.

27. When done with your date and BEFORE you go home. Pull over at a Walgreens, clean out your car, look for tissues, crack, empty condom packets, parts (no matter how small) of condom packets, combs, earrings, etc….. look under the seat, in the door, under the mats. Buy a fresh air freshener and stick it in the car. Even look for any condoms that may not have been thrown out like you thought but were tangled up in a towel that inadvertently got washed in the washing machine before the wife finds it!!

28. If you had a good date; share her # with everyone you can vouch for. Get a pic too.

29. Don’t RUSH into anything! They will be out there later. There is always another girl.

30. Be aware of your surroundings. Look for LE , look for LE in unmarked cars, look for guys nearby, other girls? Is there too much action going on? Is the girl glued to one spot and won't move (decoy) or does she walk the streets from spot to spot? Does she talk thru the window?

31. Watch how other guys pick up, or try to pick up, and avoid their mistakes. But also it gives you a clue about the girls they are trying to pick up.

32. DO NOT drop them off where you picked them up or on the main drag. I always drop off at least a block or two away.

33. If you want to extend the time of the date. Be prepared to give them DATY. this always adds a good half hour to the date. Most like it, some don't. YOU must like it though.

34. DO NOT date anyone that goes by the name of Delicious. Trust me ...she is far from it. Nickname: BOOTFACE. do a search!

35. Be respectful to these girls, even if you get ROB'ed.

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Below is another post (original RB post: massageman2020) I tacked onto this one. If you follow the above, less chance you need what is listed below.

Ten Things NOT to do If Arrested:

I have been practicing criminal law for 31 years and have seen a wide variety of reactions by people who are being arrested. Some of these reactions are unwise but understandable. Others are self defeating to the point of being bizarre. No one plans to be arrested, but it might help to think just once about what you will do and not do if you ever hear the phrase "Put your hands behind you." The simplest "to do" rule is to do what you are told. Simple, but somehow it often escapes someone who is either scared or intoxicated. More important to guarding your rights and interests are ten things you SHOULD NOT do:

1. Don't try to convince the officer of your innocence. It's useless. He or she only needs "probable cause" to believe you have committed a crime in order to arrest you. He does not decide your guilt and he actually doesn't care if you are innocent or not. It is the job of the judge or jury to free you if he is wrong. If you feel that urge to convince him he's made a mistake, remember the overwhelming probability that instead you will say at least one thing that will hurt your case, perhaps even fatally. It is smarter to save your defense for your lawyer.

2. Don't run. It's highly unlikely a suspect could outrun ten radio cars converging on a block in mere seconds. I saw a case where a passenger being driven home by a drunk friend bolted and ran. Why? It was the driver they wanted, and she needlessly risked injury in a forceful arrest. Even worse, the police might have suspected she ran because she had a gun, perhaps making them too quick to draw their own firearms. Most police will just arrest a runner, but there are some who will be mad they had to work so hard and injure the suspect unnecessarily.

3. Keep quiet. My hardest cases to defend are those where the suspect got very talkative. Incredibly, many will start babbling without the police having asked a single question. My most vivid memory of this problem was the armed robbery suspect who blurted to police: "How could the guy identify me? The robbers were wearing masks." To which the police smiled and responded, "Oh? Were they?" Judges and juries will discount or ignore what a suspect says that helps him, but give great weight to anything that seems to hurt him. In 24 years of criminal practice, I could count on one hand the number of times a suspect was released because of what he told the police after they arrested him.

4. Don't give permission to search anywhere. If they ask, it probably means they don't believe they have the right to search and need your consent. If you are ordered to hand over your keys, state loudly "You do NOT have my permission to search." If bystanders hear you, whatever the police find may be excluded from evidence later. This is also a good reason not to talk, even if it seems all is lost when they find something incriminating.

5. If the police are searching your car or home, don't look at the places you wish they wouldn't search. Don't react to the search at all, and especially not to questions like "Who does this belong to?"

6. Don't resist arrest. Above all, do not push the police or try to swat their hands away. That would be assaulting an officer and any slight injury to them will turn your minor misdemeanor arrest into a felony. A petty shoplifter can wind up going to state prison that way. Resisting arrest (such as pulling away) is merely a misdemeanor and often the police do not even charge that offense. Obviously, striking an officer can result in serious injury to you as well.

7. Try to resist the temptation to mouth off at the police, even if you have been wrongly arrested. Police have a lot of discretion in what charges are brought. They can change a misdemeanor to a felony, add charges, or even take the trouble to talk directly to the prosecutor and urge him to go hard on you. On the other hand, I have seen a client who was friendly to the police and talked sports and such on the way to the station. They gave him a break. Notice he did not talk about his case, however.

8. Do not believe what the police tell you in order to get you to talk. The law permits them to lie to a suspect in order to get him to make admissions. For example, they will separate two friends who have been arrested and tell the first one that the second one squealed on him. The first one then squeals on the second, though in truth the second one never said anything. An even more common example is telling a suspect that if he talks to the police, "it will go easier." Well, that's sort of true. It will be much easier for the police to prove their case. I can't remember too many cases where the prosecutor gave the defendant an easier deal because he waived his right to silence and confessed.

9. If at home, do not invite the police inside, nor should you "step outside." If the police believe you have committed a felony, they usually need an arrest warrant to go into your home to arrest you. If they ask you to "step outside", you will have solved that problem for them. The correct responses are: "I am comfortable talking right here.", "No, you may not come in.", or "Do you have a warrant to enter or to arrest me in my home?" I am not suggesting that you run. In fact, that is the best way to ensure the harshest punishment later on. But you may not find it so convenient to be arrested Friday night when all the courts and law offices are closed. With an attorney, you can perhaps surrender after bail arrangements are made and spend NO time in custody while your case is pending.

10. If you are arrested outside your home, do not accept any offers to let you go inside to get dressed, change, get a jacket, call your wife, or any other reason. The police will of course escort you inside and then search everywhere they please, again without a warrant. Likewise decline offers to secure your car safely.
That's it: Ten simple rules that will leave as many of your rights intact as possible if you are arrested. How about a short test? You have a fight with your live-in girlfriend and the police come and find you on the sidewalk two houses down from the apartment. The girlfriend points you out and the police arrest you for assault. They tell you they don't intend to question you. They just want your name and address. Do you answer? Well, you shouldn't. Your address is the single most damaging admission you could make. If you admit living with her, you have just converted a misdemeanor assault into a felony punishable by state prison. When you are arrested it is their game, and you don't know the rules. It is best to be silent and let the attorney handle it later. The bottom line is that if the police have enough evidence to arrest, they will. If they don't, you could easily provide that missing evidence by talking.

*LINK*: [url]http://www.dinday.com/info01.htm[/url]

A. Brian Dinday

Attorney at Law[/quote][size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it in the [u]Police Tactics and Legal Issues [/u] thread in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

I am way to chicken to do the SW scene but I'd love to. I am more a n Amp and Escort guy.

I can't take the risks But I appreciate the info,

[QUOTE=Manis Blue]Some thing I find on one of the group

Always good to read and think 1st

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it in the [u]Police Tactics and Legal Issues [/u] thread in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size][/QUOTE]

This made it in the newspapers out in Iowa. Did not see any of you guys posting so figured you may like to know. Looks like they want all these women to collect unemployment.

There is no pretending here. Is it a bad thing or a good thing that prostitution is legal in Rhode Island, indoors?

[quote]The women gathered at this Providence community center are prostitutes. And they are here, early this Sunday morning, because they want to keep their jobs.

"No one here is under any force to be working in this field, " said Sunyo Williams through an interpreter. "We are willing to answer one by one and testify that this is our own choice."

Williams sat in a circle of more than 30 Korean spa workers — most wearing hooded sweatshirts or winter jackets, jeans and designer sneakers — drawn to this plain room with cinderblock walls to learn how and why the General Assembly may outlaw their source of income this week.

A large bowl of white rice sat on a table in the corner of the room. No one was eating. Some scribbled notes as the handful of state lawmakers in attendance outlined the situation.

"Prostitution will be criminalized, " said a sympathetic state Sen. Rhoda E. Perry, D-Providence, who was joined by Providence Democrats Rep. David A. Segal and Rep. Edith H. Ajello at the meeting hosted by the advocacy group Direct Action for Rights and Equality. "And there will be fines for this behavior. And potential prison time. This needs to be known."

Indeed, while the details have yet to be finalized, the legislature this week plans to close a nearly 30-year-old loophole in the state prostitution laws that has made Rhode Island the only place in the country, except for certain counties in Nevada, where prostitution is legal as long as it occurs indoors.

The new law would target the men who pay for sex, landlords who "knowingly" allow prostitution, and women such as Williams, a 53-year-old single mother who uses money from prostitution to help finance her daughter's college education.

"I do not want anything to happen until she finishes school," Williams said of her 20-year-old daughter, a junior at the University of Rhode Island. "If I get arrested, my children get hurt."

Williams, who speaks broken English, moved to Rhode Island from Arkansas seven years ago because she heard "the schools were good here." A mother of two, with little education, she quickly found employment in a Pawtucket spa that offered sex for money.

It was only last year, she says, that she learned indoor prostitution was legal. "Everybody found out last year, " she said. "Before, we don't know. We were very careful."

Williams works in the Pawtucket spa with three other women. She says that each has a separate tax identification number and pays taxes.

"My customers, they all come from Massachusetts, " Williams said. "We're making money and spending it in Rhode Island."

Just a handful of the other women spoke or asked questions of the lawmakers, or representatives of advocacy groups such as the Rhode Island Coalition Against Human Trafficking, who attended Sunday's 8:30 am Meeting.

A woman who later identified herself only as Jasmine was among the most vocal.

Through a translator, she said she fell into prostitution three years ago after answering a newspaper ad.

"I was very hungry. That's why I started, " said Jasmine, a petite woman of "older than 40" who wore a Ralph Lauren winter coat and now works at a Providence spa. "It's better than stealing, or breaking the law. This is a way of life. There are people dependent on this."

As Sunday's meeting progressed, a collective sense of fear and frustration grew as the women realized an unwelcome political reality.

Many had hoped for a compromise that would protect them from jail. Jasmine suggested increased taxes on spas.

"For reasons that are hard for me to understand, the legislation is more harsh than we would like for the women, " Segal responded. "There's still a small chance that the severity could be lessened. But you need to understand that's a small chance."

Ajello chimed in: "This is a huge rock you are looking to push up a very steep hill, " she said, encouraging the women to attend a State House committee hearing Tuesday at 4 pm Where the prostitution bill could be amended. "I think you should try. The most positive thing would be to put a human face on the issue."

The women, however, were worried about being recorded at the televised hearing. Cameras weren't allowed in Sunday's gathering. Some suggested testifying while wearing large hats and sunglasses.

Williams wasn't sure whether she'd attend the hearing. If the law is changed, however, she said she'd have to leave the state.

"I need a little more time to help my daughter, " she said.

Jasmine also said she'd probably leave Rhode Island if the Assembly closed the loophole. And she's frustrated.

"Honestly, after being in this world for three years, I've come to learn that it's all around the United States, " she said through a translator. "Yeah, it's illegal. But it happens everywhere. It's not like you can stop it, even if this law gets passed."[/quote]

What are the indoor providers going to do? Will many of then bolt back to vegas or the big cities?

Also. Will this drive down prices for indoor illegal? I notice in las vegas and RI the rates are much higher than where it is against the law.

Also. Will this affect the SW scene at all?

Thanks in advance

In my view, if the law is passed you will see fewer providers in general and higher prices. As the risks rise, so do prices. AMPs will dwindle and LE will spend more time enforcing proper licensing and human trafficking laws because it's easier to find those violations. Vegas is high because, contrary to what some think, it's still illegal in the city. Further, the high number of tourists with cash in their pockets drives rates even higher. Legalization would drive prices down and quality up. The new law will have little effect on the SW scene.

ARG

[QUOTE=Marxist]What are the indoor providers going to do? Will many of then bolt back to vegas or the big cities?

Also. Will this drive down prices for indoor illegal? I notice in las vegas and RI the rates are much higher than where it is against the law.

Also. Will this affect the SW scene at all?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

My travels will take me down to RI tomorrow and I'm contemplating a visit to one of the many fine spas I've seen reviewed here.

BUT: What are you fellows doing? Is this a good/bad/indifferent week to visit? On the plus side, I'm thinking that this week may be more or less business as usual.... on the down side, spas may be crowded by those of us who want to enjoy what could turn out to be a 'last hurrah' with our favorite, juicy little Spinner.. and finally, as soon as the new legislation is passed, TV trucks may converge on the spas to tape us going in and out for the evening news.

All things considered, I'm inclined to pass... but some of your reviews are pretty enticing.


What say you?

I'm a long time lurker and occasional monger. I've been following the progress of the GA on this bill and feeling a bit discouraged with the ease at which the House committee passed the measure yesterday. I'm am hoping that the Senate will have a more meaningful debate. MY faith in the inefficiency of government is still strong.

It is my understanding that if the bill does pass both House and Senate process, then the governor will sign it into law.

[url]http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/gen_assembly/GenMisc/genbilaw.html[/url] This could take a month, a week or a couple of days. Who knows??

Personally I'm planning another trip in the very near future. Boston Ampfan makes some good points about the potential media circus but I'm not too concerned yet.

If you want more information take a read of this post by a RI House member on the topic. Nice reasonable perspective.

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/rhode-island-inches-close_b_334297.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Marxist]What are the indoor providers going to do? Will many of then bolt back to vegas or the big cities?

Also. Will this drive down prices for indoor illegal? I notice in las vegas and RI the rates are much higher than where it is against the law.

Also. Will this affect the SW scene at all?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

I doubt many will leave, maybe the traveling ones will scratch Prov off their itinerary, but those that live here will just become more cautious.

If anything I expect the price to go up, supply and demand.

I don't think the swer scene will change, a CL'er who got $1 a pop is going to find street prices,,,'hard to swallow'.

[QUOTE=RickyRicardo]I just gave up looking for some recent reviews because this board is flooded with bullshit. Get over your stupid law. There are always going to be places to go.

RR[/QUOTE]
RR - you are right, the MP forum should be used for reports but I think many are just laying very low and I doubt you will see much for a while. Even if folks are active, the reports, if any, will hopefully be brief and discreet to protect the providers - many of whom some of us know on a somewhat personal level as well. And, TBH, this is how it should be now. No sense giving the moral nazis directions to places that try to stay open (or new places) allowing the women to make a living.

I readily admit that I am probably one of the biggest offenders in the ongoing discussion on the MP forum - that is why I moved your comment here but, while I can't speak for all, I think many are angry about the injustice of this law. This is a big issue - its not just about sex. It is a matter of personal freedom between consenting adults, civil rights, hypocrisy, lies, prejudice, bias, political grandstanding, separation of church and state, and even the constitution. Many are angry. I think people are just venting this anger on the MP forum as that is the area that may see the biggest impact in the short term.

Hopefully all further discussion on the impact and fallout of the new law will move here to General Topics (is this the right place, Jackson?) but I don't think the subject should be dropped. We need to stay informed on this issue as things progress (such as the first bust, the first lawsuit??) to see where we go from here.

Oh, and while you say there are always going to be places to go, for some reason spas are being targeted all over. Besides RI going nazi see Springfield, MA forum and MA General topics - another recent bust in Watertown, MA. Could be just coincidence. I'm not sure what the hell is going on but its going to be dodgy all over NE for a while it seems.

Stay safe, cheers!

[QUOTE=Newday53][url]http://topnews.us/content/28161-rhode-island-bans-indoor-prostitution[/url]

See the last sentence of the article.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen that site before. All quotes from local LE mentioned they have more important issues to deal with. Nothing about massive raids. Time will tell. There certainly are a million more issues Rhody has to deal with first.

[QUOTE=Willy O]I've never seen that site before. All quotes from local LE mentioned they have more important issues to deal with. Nothing about massive raids. Time will tell. There certainly are a million more issues Rhody has to deal with first.[/QUOTE]
I looked a little deeper at the website - all of their reporters are from India!!! HTF would they know anything???
Trying to keep folks informed but I jumped the gun on this one - should have completed my research first. Sorry all (but still be damn careful).

Anyone know of any Notels, like those in Johnston that are pay-by-the-hour, in the Pawt area?
TIA
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Looks like the first people have been arrested under the new law. Be careful.

[url]http://newsblog.projo.com/2009/12/state-police-arrest-14-under-s.html[/url]

One of those arrested was Pat the Patriot.

[url]http://wbztv.com/local/patriots.mascot.pat.2.1365513.html[/url]

Just a list to help out some people with the CORRECT people on the bills so they know what value's we're talking about in the posts.

President on $1 bill: George Washington
President on $2 bill: Thomas Jefferson
President on $5 bill: Abraham Lincoln
Face on $10 bill: Alexander Hamilton.
President on $20 bill: Andrew Jackson
President on $50 bill: U.S. Grant.
Face on $100 bill: Benjamin Franklin
President on $500 bill: William McKinley
President on $1,000 bill: Grover Cleveland
President on $5,000 bill: James Madison
Face on $10,000 bill: Salmon P. Chase
President on $100,000 bill: Woodrow Wilson
$1,000,000 dollar bill - does not exist - only promotional copies