AMP Tips and Guidelines

About eight miles from where I work, there are about 4 AMPs less than a mile apart from each other. I've always been curious about AMPs so one day after work, I visited one of the AMPs located in a house with blocked out windows. The first visit I only got a massage and an HJ. I believe I only got an HJ and nothing more since I was not a regular and they were "feeling me out" (no pun intended).

The second time I decided to be more proactive. The girl who was going to give me the massage opened the door and told me to take my clothes off and that she would be right back. When she came in, I was totally nude and stroking myself. That did the trick! It did two things. First, by stroking myself, it told her I wasn't an LE. Second, it indicated that I was there for more than a massage.

I got on the bed and she quickly asked what I wanted. This was a great girl. Straight to business and no BS. I told her that I wanted a BJ. After I showed her $, she got down to business. I was in her mouth within seconds. I then started feeling her out, and before long, she was topless and I was touching her all over. It takes me a long time to finish with just a BJ, so she started to give me an HJ. I thought this was unfair since I paid for a BJ, so I told her BJ not HJ, so she went back to giving me a BJ. This an important tip to anyone reading this. Make sure you get what you paid for.

I'm trying to think of something new to try for my third visit. If anyone comes up with an idea, let me know.

Hey everyone,

I'm curious about what you all expect to pay for services at an AMP and how it compares to my pricing for standard massage therapy.

I work in a small private office (in a large office building) in Manhattan, and charge $70/hr. for licensed deep tissue/medical massage or Swedish. This is pretty cheap for NYC prices, but I cater to a lot of struggling artists and writers, so I try to keep the frills to a minimum and my prices low for excellent work.

I get Qi Gong Chinese massage in Manhattan sometimes, and it is seriously no-frills, at around $45/hr.

My full-time space is a little larger in Orange County NY, but I don't offer any spa services. Just kick-ass deep tissue/medical massage or Swedish in a modestly decorated office for $65/hr.

The higher end spas in my area are charging $75-100 per hour for massage, depending on the style chosen, and they have all the bells and whistles: huge square footage, steam showers and plush robes, marble surfaces and hardwood floors, expensive products, multiple services offered, doctor on staff, etc.


This isn't an ad, I swear...I'm really just curious if my prices are similar to an AMP in NYC and Upstate NY. If I tell a prospective client (who might be a monger) my rates, is he thinking it's high or low for the "extras" he's looking for? Or do you expect to pay a lower hourly rate and then tip for the extras?

Thanks in advance for your candor!

Real LMT

[QUOTE=Real Lmt]Hey everyone,

I'm curious about what you all expect to pay for services at an AMP and how it compares to my pricing for standard massage therapy.


Thanks in advance for your candor!

Real LMT[/QUOTE]I don't know about NYC as I'm in Atlanta, but here we expect to pay between $40 and $80 for an hour, depending on establishment. That covers massage only. For a complete package, one can expect to pay between $100 and $300, again depending on establishment.

Smaller, less complete packages cost considerably less, as low as $40.

[QUOTE=Real Lmt]Hey everyone,

I'm curious about what you all expect to pay for services at an AMP and how it compares to my pricing for standard massage therapy.

I work in a small private office (in a large office building) in Manhattan, and charge $70/hr. for licensed deep tissue/medical massage or Swedish. This is pretty cheap for NYC prices, but I cater to a lot of struggling artists and writers, so I try to keep the frills to a minimum and my prices low for excellent work.

I get Qi Gong Chinese massage in Manhattan sometimes, and it is seriously no-frills, at around $45/hr.

My full-time space is a little larger in Orange County NY, but I don't offer any spa services. Just kick-ass deep tissue/medical massage or Swedish in a modestly decorated office for $65/hr.

The higher end spas in my area are charging $75-100 per hour for massage, depending on the style chosen, and they have all the bells and whistles: huge square footage, steam showers and plush robes, marble surfaces and hardwood floors, expensive products, multiple services offered, doctor on staff, etc.


This isn't an ad, I swear...I'm really just curious if my prices are similar to an AMP in NYC and Upstate NY. If I tell a prospective client (who might be a monger) my rates, is he thinking it's high or low for the "extras" he's looking for? Or do you expect to pay a lower hourly rate and then tip for the extras?

Thanks in advance for your candor!

Real LMT[/QUOTE]

$65 to $70 an hour is quite a good price Real LMT, especially in NYC where I've often seen apparently legitimate massage advertised for over $100 an hour. And some places have 80 minute, 90 minute or even 2 hour sessions. I've tried the longer sessions and the additional time is all massage, no extras. When the massage is really good even 2 hours can just fly by and you'll walk out like you're flying, even with no extras. The March 2007 Massage magazine asked if massage therapists should accept tips. Do you, real LMT? I'm sure you deserve a tip for a kick ass massage at your price, even with no extras. Imagine how much a legitimate masseuse at a very posh spa will take in for a high end massage, like 2 hours with extras like dermabrasion and maybe a dead sea mud pack or that reducing wrap. I bet it could run $400. A 20% tip would be $80. And my experience is that the posh places do take tips.

On the other end of the scale, Chinese Massage Parlors in New York City seem to run $40 to $50 an hour, although I've paid $80 an hour at one in Philadelphia. Some guys get a handjob for as little as $40 total - and that is on top of a great massage, total time one hour. Usually I expect to tip $20 to $40 though. But that still means that a monger can get a Chinese massage and handjob for the same or even less than you're charging for a massage with no extras. Usually the house is paid first and the tip (if any) later. A tip is often optional, even if a HJ is received.

Korean Massage Parlors in New York City seem to run $200 to $300 for everything, and I do mean everything (FS). Usually you pay $60 to $100 house fee first and the tip later. If you are only getting a HJ, you might pay from $40 to $100 on top of the house fee.

I recently got 2 hours of Russian bodywork with hand release in New York City. I was only asked for $160 for all this (after everything was over) although I voluntarily threw in another $40 tip.

I believe a body rub with hand release can be gotten from an American girl in New York City for $200 total, probably paid at the beginning. I haven't checked this out yet as my research funds are limited.

Don't dress in a Chinese silk dress or speak with a Mandarin accent Real LMT or a monger might think the $65/$70 covers both rub and tug.

Fellow mongers, if she's in street/medical garb, and caucasian without an European or Hispanic accent, just expect a massage (unless the ad explicitly suggests otherwise).

Double Nickle

Most of my clients don't tip me, and I'm fine with that. I accept them from those who do, but I've been considering not accepting tips since I opened my private practice. I would actually prefer to raise my prices slightly and not accept tips, since it would never occur to me to tip my acupuncturist or a physical therapist. I think tipping does a lot to discredit what we do as LMTs.

Unfortunately, the spa industry keeps the massage profession in general in a place where tipping is necessary. I've worked in the high end places, and the services can definitely run up several hundred dollars. The tip percentage usually goes down when a person is receiving multiple services, though. Like they have in their mind a cap on a gratuity, and no matter how many services they're receiving, they're not going to tip over a certain amount. The split in a spa is ridiculously low, many licensed and certified therapists only being paid $20/hr. On a $100 service. $20/hr. Might seem like a lot to some people, but with a physical job like massage where you risk injury working more than 25 hours per week, it's really not very much. Additionally, spas do not offer benefits of any kind. Many still employ "independent contractors", and no one I've ever known has been offered health insurance or sick/holiday pay from a spa.

Some people understand that because I'm in private practice, and I'm responsible for my overhead, I'm getting 100% of the money, so they don't tip. Other people still view it as a service, and are programmed to tip. Like I said, I'd rather not accept tips, but raising my prices would scare off some people who still think they have to tip on top of the hourly rate, or piss off the people who aren't tipping. Plus I feel like I might do a disservice to the industry by educating the public NOT to tip MTs and spa workers would suffer greatly for it.

At this point, I'm splitting the difference. My prices are low enough to encourage regular clients, and enough people tip on top of it, that I can get by.

As for getting $40 for an hour-long massage AND a HJ. I feel really, really sorry for those women. What a desperate place they must be in to agree to such a thing. I imagine street-walkers with obvious drug habits must make more per hour than that. Wow.

Double Nickel, was the recent place you went to a Russian Bath type place? I actually feel better that mongers would expect to pay more like $200/hr. For an American like myself to give them a massage and extras. That makes me feel better for my profession, and for the women providing the services. And I feel like I won't be confusing anyone with my rates.

[QUOTE=Real Lmt]...Unfortunately, the spa industry keeps the massage profession in general in a place where tipping is necessary. I've worked in the high end places, and the services can definitely run up several hundred dollars. The tip percentage usually goes down when a person is receiving multiple services, though. Like they have in their mind a cap on a gratuity, and no matter how many services they're receiving, they're not going to tip over a certain amount. The split in a spa is ridiculously low, many licensed and certified therapists only being paid $20/hr. On a $100 service. $20/hr. Might seem like a lot to some people, but with a physical job like massage where you risk injury working more than 25 hours per week, it's really not very much. Additionally, spas do not offer benefits of any kind. Many still employ "independent contractors", and no one I've ever known has been offered health insurance or sick/holiday pay from a spa....

As for getting $40 for an hour-long massage AND a HJ. I feel really, really sorry for those women. What a desperate place they must be in to agree to such a thing. I imagine street-walkers with obvious drug habits must make more per hour than that. Wow.[/QUOTE]

Well, I usually tip $40 on top of the $40 and I know a lot of mongers tip $20 to $40. But some mongers are incredibly cheap and won't tip and will even grumble that she wasn't worth $40. They'd probably try to haggle you down to $15 or maybe $30.

[QUOTE]Double Nickel, was the recent place you went to a Russian Bath type place? I actually feel better that mongers would expect to pay more like $200/hr. For an American like myself to give them a massage and extras. That makes me feel better for my profession, and for the women providing the services. And I feel like I won't be confusing anyone with my rates.[/QUOTE]

No, I haven't checked out the Russian baths yet though I hope to get around to them. I've heard that at least one used to offer happy endings but doesn't anymore. I actually tried a colonic for the first time. Probably a lot of women would rather administer a handjob than a colonic, although as far as I know a colonic is legal everywhere.

On that note, I believe it is in Germany where they are training prostitutes to be home health care aides. The idea is that often women want to get out of the world's oldest profession when they start getting a bit long in the tooth (if not earlier). Most probably don't have enough money to just retire. But they are perfectly suited to be home health care aides as they are used to getting physical with all parts of a stranger's body already. I doubt home health care aides make big bucks, but it is a valuable service and hopefully they make a living wage.

Chapter XXX in the Life and Hard Times (pun) of Double Nickle, super monger

This is several years old, and may have been read by many, but I think is worth posting again ... quite intriguing.

[url]http://www.asianweek.com/2001_12_07/feature.html[/url]

I have been to AMPs in 5 states in the last month, and it was interesting that I heard several different girls tell me to be quiet. One time it was because I requested clothes off( I spoke to loudly), another to not be noisy when I finished. This is not universal, but I wondered if other hobbyists have noted this event.

I find myself trying to be quiet in the mp's without anyone telling me to just because I know that I wouldn't want to hear the guy next door screaming away. It's kind of like how a good porn ruined by the guy constantly talking or moaning, pisses me off.

[QUOTE=NeedToKnow]I find myself trying to be quiet in the mp's without anyone telling me to just because I know that I wouldn't want to hear the guy next door screaming away. .[/QUOTE]

I was not talking about yelling, twice I was the only customer, and another time there was a loud fan and music.I always talk in a regular or low voice. I also posted a note last year about a guy in the next stall in an AMP who assumed poor english skills required his talking louder. The theme in my comment is that some AMP girls seem to be trying to infer that they usualy don't do this, but for me, they will make an exception. Everyone does the same thing, and all the staff now whats going on, so why the pretense?

[QUOTE=Iamme Iam]I was not talking about yelling, twice I was the only customer, and another time there was a loud fan and music.I always talk in a regular or low voice. I also posted a note last year about a guy in the next stall in an AMP who assumed poor english skills required his talking louder. The theme in my comment is that some AMP girls seem to be trying to infer that they usualy don't do this, but for me, they will make an exception. Everyone does the same thing, and all the staff now whats going on, so why the pretense?[/QUOTE]

Many of the girls like it quiet in the room because they don't want the other girls to hear what's going on. True; they all KNOW what's going on but if the other girls hear you talking with your provider; when she gets back to living quarters; it gives the other girls something to talk about. "Ooooooh, you two had a good time in there, huh?" "Is he your new boyfriend?" That kind of shit.

These babes talk about each other and gossip so much it's not funny. If the girl you get likes to keep her shit private she's going to ask that you keep it down.

You could also look at it this way: how many times have you been with a woman and you wished she would just shut the fuck up? I'm more than certain the reverse is true; especially in the case of a girl who just wants to get you off and go back to sleep.

This is definitely NOT the right way to go about it.

[url]http://www.gagreport.com/funny_videos_borat-massage.htm[/url]

I've been an AMP customer for many years. I've always been very respectful to the girls I've been with. One thing I've never done (in an AMP or otherwise) is to pop on a girls stomach.

Recently I've had the urge to want to do it but I'm not exactly sure how to approach the ladies with that request. I don't want to be disrespectful but at the same time it seems that guys to do it all the time. Or at least in their stories.

So experts, how do you do go about it?

Sharkman67

[QUOTE=Sharkman67]I've been an AMP customer for many years. I've always been very respectful to the girls I've been with. One thing I've never done (in an AMP or otherwise) is to pop on a girls stomach.

Recently I've had the urge to want to do it but I'm not exactly sure how to approach the ladies with that request. I don't want to be disrespectful but at the same time it seems that guys to do it all the time. Or at least in their stories.

So experts, how do you do go about it?

Sharkman67[/QUOTE]

You nailed it talking about respect. You might notice that when dudes put this in their stories, it is often followed by "she gave me a real nasty look" or "she was pretty pissed off at me" or something like that. Don't follow the selfish asses who do this w/o asking.

I personally cannot fathom at all why dudes want to do this, and I think it would also take away from your orgasm, but whatever - to each his own.

If you want to bust your nut this way, and to your credit want to maintain your respectful conduct, then just come out and ask the girl directly. Either she'll be willing or not, so making yourself clearly understood is best. Try it with a girl you've seen before and get along well with or a girl who is fun. Adding a little bit to your tip would probably help.

Check this out....sounds like somone reads this forum, or is a fellow hobbyist.
I was just going to include the tips in an AMP, but found the whole article an excellent reference.

[url]http://www.thenaughtyamerican.com/2007/News/Sex/08/09/How-To-Get-A-Happy-Ending-From-Your-Masseuse-54.html[/url]

or read it here:


How To Get A Happy Ending From Your Masseuse
BY REUBEN TUCKER
AUGUST 9, 2007
NEW ORLEANS (TNA) – Getting a good massage is easy. There are lots of legitimate masseuses of both sexes who can rub, pound and stroke your body into relaxation.

However, finding a masseuse willing to provide that cherry on top of the masseuse cake known as a "happy ending" can be downright hard.

In more ways than one.

Sadly, what is considered part of the normal massage package in other parts of the world – namely, customer ejaculation – is considered indecent in America.


This little tale provides a happy ending.

Of course, that just makes the dedicated men and women who perform "happy endings" that much more valuable – and in demand with discerning customers who want to end their sessions with a little "rub and tug."
Finding a masseuse willing to get touchy with your privates takes a little work, but here are some tips to help you determine whether your massage will end happily or otherwise.

Initial Encounter

1) Don’t go to massage parlors that emphasize sports fitness. The masseuses there are under the misguided impression that they can satisfy a customer by rubbing every muscle except the "love muscle."

Although Swedes have a reputation for sexual openness, folks who practice Swedish massage do not.

2) Do go to a massage parlor with a vaguely Asian name. If the massage place is named after an Asian city that is near a U.S. military base, such as Osaka or Subic Bay, there’s a good chance the masseuse will touch your nads without you even asking.

However, the folks who run Asian massage places (AMP) are constantly in fear of being busted by police who don’t understand the good work they do. That means if you’ve never been to a particular place, the "Mama-san," or masseuse, might give you a test before she decides to touch your testes.

"You been here before?"

Always answer "Yes." Even if you haven’t.

"Who did you see?"

Say you saw Sunny or Lee. Every AMP has an employee named Sunny or Lee. This will convince them that you are a valued customer.

3) Do attempt to visit a masseuse specializing in tantric massage. It is twice as expensive as an AMP, but tantric is a Sanskrit phrase meaning "handjob," so the so-called "release" is practically guaranteed.

Take a look at [url]www.goddesstemple.com[/url], a website devoted to women who practice tantric massage (and a few guys too). Some of the "holistic practitioners" offer "Sacred Spot Massage," which is a fancy word for "stick a finger in your butt"; "Goddess Worship," where you get to fool around with them; or "Cum Worship," which means you’ll definitely ejaculate.

That’s the good news. On the downside, you may have to deal with a lot of New Age mumbo-jumbo about finding the God or Goddess within, and the masseuse may wear a lot of cheesy scarves rather than hot pants and a halter.

4) Do go to masseuses who use ads with pretty girls. If you’re getting a real massage, it doesn’t matter what the masseuse looks like. Also, look for words like "sensual," "light touch" and "fresh off the boat."

Getting Situated

1) If you have the option of getting a hot bath with your massage, do it. Some masseuses are perfectly willing to give "hand releases" if they are sure the customer is clean, and the only way they can ensure that is by doing all the scrubbing. Plus, you have to be naked during the shower, so this helps convince them you’re not a cop.

2) When you undress, the masseuse will place a towel over your heiney. Take it off and tell her, "It’s too hot for this." This will give him or her a clue of what you’re really looking for. If the masseuse is inclined to tug your fishing tackle, he or she might give you a really tiny towel and say something like, "I am not allowed to remove this." If you act clueless, he or she might add, "By law, I -- meaning me -- the masseuse, am not allowed to remove this," and then point to you as if to verbally say, ``but YOU can."

3) Some masseuses might be open and ask, "Do you want a release?" This is someone you should treat very nicely, as they obviously understand the important elements of customer service.

During The Massage

1) Most massages begin with you on your tummy. Some masseuses – even the so-called legitimate ones -- like to tease you by brushing their hand near your crack. If he or she spends extra time there, they may be inclined to rub one out. Signify your interest by lifting your buttocks in the air to allow easy access.

2) Sometimes, the masseuse will try to make conversation. If he or she compliments you on your ass or sex organs, you have a good chance of receiving a happy ending. Another good sign: If they tell you that your muscles are so tight, you need some extra "body work."

3) Sometimes, wiggling your tongue during the massage will give them a hint of what you want, as will making moaning noises. Try and avoid moaning too loud because he or she might interpret that as a sign they’re doing something painful.

4) If the masseuse says they do a better massage if they’re naked or topless, take this as a good sign.

5) Keeping a $20 bill tucked between your toes can also be a subtle hint of what you want. However, some masseuses who only do hand releases if they feel "chemistry" may take offense at this (as well as the idea of holding a $20 bill that smells like toe jam).

During The Happy Ending

1) When the masseuse is pulling, prodding and probing your privates, it is considered polite to say things like, "Yum." Be vocal, but not too loud. Also, give a warning if you’re ticklish, because loud laughter is a turnoff to a masseuse who is trying to do a handjob.

2) It is best not to bring up topics of a personal nature during the "release." This is not the time to ask how she would feel if her daughter did this for a living. Nor should you ask how many times she does this each day. Generally, every masseuse wants each customer to think they are the only person getting a happy ending that day.

3) Let your masseuse tell you how far they want to go with the happy ending. One might only want to rub you out, while another may be happy to ride you out. There’s an old saying among massage maniacs: "Your mileage may vary." Sometimes, a therapist may simply be horny because they are turned on by you (maybe) or by the customer before you (more likely). Other times, they may be mad at their boyfriend and simply want a grudge fuck, and you just happen to be the beneficiary.

If A Happy Ending Looks Doubtful….

Sometimes the best plans of mice, men and massage go awry and even the most open-minded masseuse may balk at bringing the proceedings to a proper conclusion. Here are some things you can say that might change his or her mind.

1) "C’mon, I’m dying here." It only works about on 3 out of 100 times, but at the very least, they might squeeze some oil on you and let you go to town on yourself while they file their nails.

2) "I’m sorry. I don’t know what I was thinking, but you’re just so durn purty." This line works best if your masseuse is extremely unattractive.

3) "The other masseuse does it." This works well. If they ask which one, just say "Sunny" or "Lee" There is always one or the other at any AMP. If you’re at a more holistic place, try the name "Epiphany."

4) Or, you can cut your losses by saying, "Good answer. I’m an off-duty police officer." This might ease your temporary embarrassment, but it will ruin any chances of getting a happy ending on return visits.

Afterwards…..

1) Lie there while the masseuse gets a hot wash rag to clean off your tummy. It is considered bad form to get dressed hurriedly.

2) Smile, smile, smile so the masseuse knows that their actions relaxed you.

3) Discreetly leave a tip on the counter. Don’t shove it in their hand.

4) Always say "Thank you," for a job well done.

Although you might not get a happy ending every time -- even if you go to the skeeviest massage parlor -- these tips can increase your percentage every time.