[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7182628]LE will never allow a decoy to get into your vehicle due to safety reasons.[/QUOTE]If they are willing to be a decoy for some stupid sting op they shouldn't pussy out when comes to getting into a monger's vehicle.
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[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7182628]LE will never allow a decoy to get into your vehicle due to safety reasons.[/QUOTE]If they are willing to be a decoy for some stupid sting op they shouldn't pussy out when comes to getting into a monger's vehicle.
[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7182628]Thanks for the report, but giving specifics and negotiating BEFORE they get into the car is a BIG mistake. This is THE main way that Hobbyists get busted. LE will never allow a decoy to get into your vehicle due to safety reasons.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me LE still has plausible cause to ruin your day if you ask her to get in the car regardless if services or money were discussed.
[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7182628]Thanks for the report, but giving specifics and negotiating BEFORE they get into the car is a BIG mistake. This is THE main way that Hobbyists get busted. LE will never allow a decoy to get into your vehicle due to safety reasons.[/QUOTE]I thought that it was better to have an agreement before they got in the car. You can gauge their temperament. If they get in the car before coming to an agreement, what if she quotes a ridiculous rate, refuses service and won't leave until you pay her?
How would you handle the situation? Definitely open to reducing risk.
I have cruised consistently this past week and haven't met anyone worthwhile. What I find weird lately is the number of girls who are persistent about having a date in their room. They say it's for safety reasons, but who knows? I've also picked up on an increase in LE activity. A lot more LE vehicles are cruising the streets even during the late hours. I also saw a white gov van doing laps, so I don't know if it's a monger cruising in a work van or if it's some sort of undercover van.
[QUOTE=DriveBy414;7183056]Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me LE still has plausible cause to ruin your day if you ask her to get in the car regardless if services or money were discussed.[/QUOTE]To quote a very knowledgeable and longtime Hobbyist.
"It's so incredibly easy to avoid getting busted in a sting like that. First off, once you make the eye contact and give and receive the barely perceptible nod, you drive to the very next corner and pull about 50 feet off Aurora. The streetwalker will approach your vehicle fast and hop right it so as hopefully not to be seen by LE. Night times out of ten they ask if you are a cop and then make you prove it by letting them touch your privates or vice versa. This of course doesn't accomplish anything, just go along with whatever makes her female safer. Then and only then do the negotiations begin.
The decoy on the other hand doesn't follow this script at all. They will never get in your car, never have and never will. They consider putting a woman in a small confined space with someone who could be violent, a sex offender far too dangerous. They never do it. Ever.
Rather, they will walk over to the drivers side, lean over and ask, "so what are you looking for?" Oh nothing. Come on dude you know what you want. Most guys will say 3 BJ. How much $50. Ok. I've got a room right there at the Days Inn, follow me. She pulls her hoody up or does something else to notify her friends that it's ok to swoop in and surround your cars with theirs. They rip you out of your car and within a minute they all disappear. They don't want the next John getting spooked off.
So if she doesn't get right in you drive off, ask directions to I-5. Burger master, wherever. They will pout and embarrass you into saying something don't fall for it".
They won't get in the car because the potential dangers are too great. Police lose control of the situation if a female undercover gets in an alleged john's car and he hits the gas and runs. That also creates a scenario where they have to chase him and police have been reluctant to get into car chases. It's much easier if she gets him to talk at the window and judging by the arrests during monthly sting operations along Aurora there is no shortage of guys who will do exactly that. If they miss a guy or two who won't talk no big deal, there will be another sucker along any minute. They rack-up the arrests during every sting, without fail. Right now the best way to get nabbed in a sting in Seattle is along Aurora Ave, after examining SPD arrest records over the past year that's just fact.
That being said, I consulted a lawyer who told me that SPD female undercover officers don't wear recording devices during stings. Also, they generally want to get through stings as quickly as possible so they nab just about anyone who even talks to an undercover, illegal verbiage or not. They know that YOU have to fight your way out of it and it can be hard to contest an officer's word in court. Seattle prosecutors typically offer a deal for dismissal which involves paying fines and attending john school, most take it because it's guaranteed. One person fought it two years ago and won because prosecutors had no recording to prove their allegations, but most don't want to take the risk. The climate among jurors right now is that Seattle is over-run with crime, so challenging an officer's word in court right now is a risk. Doesn't seem right, but that's the reality right now and has been for the last few years. But the other thing to know that most stings occur in the large parking lot of Lowe's about once every month, mostly during weeknights. That's how SPD has been operating, but that could change at any time and I believe will at some point. Still, even though they know that we talk about this right here on this forum, they still nab alleged johns every damn time they conduct an expected sting operation in that lot. So if it ain't broken, why fix it.
[QUOTE=Captainpussymo;7183032]If they are willing to be a decoy for some stupid sting op they shouldn't pussy out when comes to getting into a monger's vehicle.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7182628]Thanks for the report, but giving specifics and negotiating BEFORE they get into the car is a BIG mistake. This is THE main way that Hobbyists get busted. LE will never allow a decoy to get into your vehicle due to safety reasons.[/QUOTE]I challenge you to negotiate in the car with 20 woman on AA. Don't do a deal with any of them. Report back to us when you run into trouble! LOL! Let's see how far you get. This should be good.
[QUOTE=Corsair1;7183472]I challenge you to negotiate in the car with 20 woman on AA. Don't do a deal with any of them. Report back to us when you run into trouble! LOL! Let's see how far you get. This should be good.[/QUOTE]Apparently you know more than others who have a vast amount of experience. I haven't picked up a SW'er in many years so maybe things have changed. All I know is that if you don't discuss services or rates UNTIL they are in the car, then you have pretty much ZERO chance of being busted. 9 guys were just busted by not following this advice. It's not rocket surgery, this is how I did it back when I frequented the blade, I see a SW that I am interested in, I pull over, they approach my vehicle and I ask if they want a ride, they either get in or they don't, that's safe.
Here is a quote from a TNA provider who is equally clueless.
"While there are probably a small amount of street walkers doing it for the thrill, it's largely an activity for:
• Minors (You don't need an I'd to street walk).
• homeless / carless SW.
• drug addicted SW.
• PIMPED SW (If a girl has been banned from sites, can't get calls, is underage, Or maybe just for his personal entertainment while he sells dope on the corner a pimp will have his woman street walk).
So while there has been a market for this a lot longer than decades.
Since it tends to be associated with minors and drugs and violence It is a completely irresponsible way to hobby. It is foul, disgusting and anyone that takes part in It deserves to go to jail.
Contact a grown adult able to prove their identity / age online, sober enough to post ads."
The below is how it's been for almost all of my time in the hobby however around 2020 things changed. Most cities on the West Coast will no longer prosecute sex workers so newer SWs are trained not to get in the car. It's saves time and if they can negotiate while still on the corner they can just move on to the next guy and maintain visibility. I had to adjust to this myself and the times when I did ask them to get in the vehicle first they all asked for money. In other words, once they get in they expect to be paid. This is just how they're doing it now. Seattle and some of the other bigger cities are focusing on buyers, they believe that going after johns will stop the demand. Of course we know that isn't working and I think most police officers know this too, but it's what city councils, mayors and prosecutors want right now. This does put all of the risk on us, but as I posted in my prior post below, right now SPD are [I]only[/I] doing stings in the large parking lot of Lowe's. At some point this will change, Seattle has a new police chief and hiring of new officers has increased (apparently they've had a lot of applicants), so once staffing levels are back to normal then I really do think they'll start conducing stings in other locations, maybe also enforcing the loitering laws. That's just my opinion, though, so we'll see about that. But either way, things have changed out there as to how SWs conduct their business. Simply put, you aren't getting a date out there if you won't talk at the window.
[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7184291]Apparently you know more than others who have a vast amount of experience. I haven't picked up a SW'er in many years so maybe things have changed. All I know is that if you don't discuss services or rates UNTIL they are in the car, then you have pretty much ZERO chance of being busted. 9 guys were just busted by not following this advice. It's not rocket surgery, this is how I did it back when I frequented the blade, I see a SW that I am interested in, I pull over, they approach my vehicle and I ask if they want a ride, they either get in or they don't, that's safe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hoballer;7184741]The below is how it's been for almost all of my time in the hobby however around 2020 things changed. Most cities on the West Coast will no longer prosecute sex workers so newer SWs are trained not to get in the car. It's saves time and if they can negotiate while still on the corner they can just move on to the next guy and maintain visibility. I had to adjust to this myself and the times when I did ask them to get in the vehicle first they all asked for money. In other words, once they get in they expect to be paid. This is just how they're doing it now. Seattle and some of the other bigger cities are focusing on buyers, they believe that going after johns will stop the demand. Of course we know that isn't working and I think most police officers know this too, but it's what city councils, mayors and prosecutors want right now. This does put all of the risk on us, but as I posted in my prior post below, right now SPD are [I]only[/I] doing stings in the large parking lot of Lowe's. At some point this will change, Seattle has a new police chief and hiring of new officers has increased (apparently they've had a lot of applicants), so once staffing levels are back to normal then I really do think they'll start conducing stings in other locations, maybe also enforcing the loitering laws. That's just my opinion, though, so we'll see about that. But either way, things have changed out there as to how SWs conduct their business. Simply put, you aren't getting a date out there if you won't talk at the window.[/QUOTE]Aye, so times have changed, as I said I have not been out there for several years, and don't plan to anytime soon, thanks for the update, carry on.
I think you're referring to Jenny Loves. I just went rounds with her on the other board, ***** is out of her mind. She told me that men who spend under a certain amount are cheap exploiters who harm teenagers. However, if they spend [I]over[/I] a certain amount then suddenly they aren't dirty, nasty exploiters. She says she's sober after having had a drinking problem, however she appears to be drinking right now.
Not really on topic for this forum. But I will say that she's an example as to why I've stayed on the street in addition to other online venues for hobbying, TNA folks are out of their god damn minds.
[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7184291]Here is a quote from a TNA provider who is equally clueless.
"While there are probably a small amount of street walkers doing it for the thrill, it's largely an activity for:
Minors (You don't need an I'd to street walk).
homeless / carless SW.
drug addicted SW.
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[QUOTE=Hoballer;7187876]I think you're referring to Jenny Loves. I just went rounds with her on the other board, ***** is out of her mind. She told me that men who spend under a certain amount are cheap exploiters who harm teenagers. However, if they spend [I]over[/I] a certain amount then suddenly they aren't dirty, nasty exploiters. She says she's sober after having had a drinking problem, however she appears to be drinking right now.
Not really on topic for this forum. But I will say that she's an example as to why I've stayed on the street in addition to other online venues for hobbying, TNA folks are out of their god damn minds.[/QUOTE]These are old ladies who suck dicks for a living.
Yes, that's her, old, fat and jealous of the young ladies working the stroll. Street Walkers will always exist, despite the internet and other options. Simple supply and demand.
[QUOTE=GoaThillBilly;7187926]Yes, that's her, old, fat and jealous of the young ladies working the stroll. Street Walkers will always exist, despite the internet and other options. Simple supply and demand.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Morohei;7187922]These are old ladies who suck dicks for a living.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hoballer;7187876]I think you're referring to Jenny Loves. I just went rounds with her on the other board, ***** is out of her mind. She told me that men who spend under a certain amount are cheap exploiters who harm teenagers. However, if they spend [I]over[/I] a certain amount then suddenly they aren't dirty, nasty exploiters. She says she's sober after having had a drinking problem, however she appears to be drinking right now.
Not really on topic for this forum. But I will say that she's an example as to why I've stayed on the street in addition to other online venues for hobbying, TNA folks are out of their god damn minds.[/QUOTE]The "domme" massage / HJ only provider? GTFOH.
Friday night I saw three SPD cruisers parked at Oaktree motel observing the scene. Coming through again on Saturday I saw another cruiser parked in the lot and watching Aurora. A few blocks away I stopped for a nice spinner WSW brunette in a miniskirt and black-rimmed glasses, always a sucker for a girl with glasses, she was a no on any uncovered services (which I of course expected) and countered with "but I have a room couple blocks away". Yeah, that's a no, I told her there were cops hanging around Oaktree if that's what she meant and she said, "oh they won't bother us". They probably won't, still not doing it. Wasn't interested anyway due to incompatibility of services and that's all I had time for so moved on for the evening. Use your big heads, watch your asses.