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I have not posted an honest review in years. Trouble on home front, SB, etc.
Knightdale was great with attempts at HB, HM, HE. OMG no care the ages. McKnight no good, too direct. No trafficking observed.
What to do? PM me please, aim for safe fun Saturday. Love back walkers and fun.
[QUOTE=Purple45;3639230]In the past we all talked about an ATF at Studio in Cary, Westgate in Raleigh, ATSU in Cary, Holiday in Morrisville and Eden in Cary. A review would go up on a particular girl and then that AMP was slammed with business while everyone enjoyed the eye candy and / or services. Those days are the past and it's unfortunate but its the current reality. The present situation is that members don't want to post about a new younger girl or new attractive girl because the pressure is on the remaining AMPs that are open. Look around and count the number of AMPs that are now closed that were open just two years ago. Almost all the favorite ones are now closed. This current reality is not favorable to the girls, the owners or the customer. Personally I feel that some information in a post helps those who want to close an AMP more than it helps those who are looking for something fresh and new. In today's climate is it worth the risk? Do you want that girl's face on the evening news in 2 months or do you want to safeguard her livelihood and enjoy your massage until she decides to leave on her own? By all counts everyone is correct that this board is about finding girls and services, but the A2 doesn't care about local politics or AMPs closing because that is just collateral damage and life goes on. This website makes money from advertisers based on membership numbers for the owner and nothing else matters. Well, IMO we live here and we have to suffer through the drought of no available talent so we have to be smart or we will lose what little is left. I can't speak for JJ and his incredible list but I believe there is a reason why it hasn't been updated in long time. Yes, there is still one or two FS AMPs who operate outside of Wake County but gone is the one girl at most AMPs who really stood out and made your appointment extra special.
CLOSED = Holiday, Eden, ATSU (Cary & Garner), Westgate, YUCCA Foot, SuperRelax (Capital), Lotus, Eastern Spa, Touch of Asia and several others![/QUOTE]I'll just add this; it comes down to the State and sometimes the City. Example: certain States like Florida, California, NY none of these states have strict policies on AMP's of course there are a few that get popped but it's easy to get a massage license there and operate with no problems and they have many reviews on USASG and RMaps and they never get hassled; and this policy seems to be State wide. NC seems to be different! Like we've covered it's impossible to get a NC license compared to other States. Now where it gets weird is certain parts of NC seem to be hot spots for licenses to be checked to shut the stores down such as This Area and other areas are left alone. If you ride up the road in this State to Charlotte there are many places that the service could compare to VIP and the reports flow on the board about guys experiences. The strange part is they don't get hit with the same regulations as AMP's in this area. There are places in Fayetteville and some other rural area's that don't get the heat that this area gets and guys talk about their visits, Why is this area such a hot spot? P45 makes a very valid point that when we had or we have a certain place or girl we get giddy about we post away. Are these post related to the AMP troubles here? I'm sure they are but like I said the BIGGER question is why? Why this area? Charlotte, Fayetteville and the more rural areas and even a few in this area like Quality Bath house etc. No problems. Maybe it's because the folks that could shut these stores down got together and said Not In My Back Yard (mainly Raleigh / Cary). Its the only reason I can think of because we dont give out anymore info than other members in other cities.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3639321]I'll just add this; it comes down to the State and sometimes the City. Example: certain States like Florida, California, NY none of these states have strict policies on AMP's of course there are a few that get popped but it's easy to get a massage license there and operate with no problems and they have many reviews on USASG and RMaps and they never get hassled; and this policy seems to be State wide. NC seems to be different! Like we've covered it's impossible to get a NC license compared to other States. Now where it gets weird is certain parts of NC seem to be hot spots for licenses to be checked to shut the stores down such as This Area and other areas are left alone. If you ride up the road in this State to Charlotte there are many places that the service could compare to VIP and the reports flow on the board about guys experiences. The strange part is they don't get hit with the same regulations as AMP's in this area. There are places in Fayetteville and some other rural area's that don't get the heat that this area gets and guys talk about their visits, Why is this area such a hot spot? P45 makes a very valid point that when we had or we have a certain place or girl we get giddy about we post away. Are these post related to the AMP troubles here? I'm sure they are but like I said the BIGGER question is why? Why this area? Charlotte, Fayetteville and the more rural areas and even a few in this area like Quality Bath house etc. No problems. Maybe it's because the folks that could shut these stores down got together and said Not In My Back Yard (mainly Raleigh / Cary). Its the only reason I can think of because we dont give out anymore info than other members in other cities.[/QUOTE]The answer is logistics and relationships! The NC Massage Board members and their lawyer can drive across town and have lunch with the mayor of Raleigh and Cary any time they want. Once the NC Massage Board has the political backing of the mayor's then the police chiefs fall in line to the will of the mayor and / or city council. Here in Raleigh the different agency leaderships can wine and dine and make deals because it's convenient since everyone lives and works in close proximity to each other. This is why we see the Massage Parlor scrutiny in Cary, Raleigh, Wake Forest and Knightdale because the cities are under the shadow of both the State and County government agencies in Raleigh. You are right XHippie that little to nothing is being done in Wilmington, Jacksonville or Charlotte because these cities are to far logistically from Raleigh and the personal relationships are not there between the different state and local government agencies. These cities have FS AMPs and members openly post their experiences for all to read. Those cities have different politics than Raleigh and a different culture than Raleigh and honestly the NC Massage Board doesn't have the same influence else where in the State like it does inside of Wake County. Sure suspected human trafficking has to be investigated if the evidence is there but many localities don't really care about a massage parlor as long as there are no complaints from other businesses or neighbors.
Updating the list has become a problem for me. I've seen too many good people get hurt by the discrimination shown to the Asians in this area. Several lives have been ruined for no good reason except politics. They had nothing to do with Human Traffing which of course is evil. I've just stopped helping those who would hurt more innocent people who are just trying to survive.
[QUOTE=Purple45;3639230]In the past we all talked about an ATF at Studio in Cary, Westgate in Raleigh, ATSU in Cary, Holiday in Morrisville and Eden in Cary. A review would go up on a particular girl and then that AMP was slammed with business while everyone enjoyed the eye candy and / or services. Those days are the past and it's unfortunate but its the current reality. The present situation is that members don't want to post about a new younger girl or new attractive girl because the pressure is on the remaining AMPs that are open. Look around and count the number of AMPs that are now closed that were open just two years ago. Almost all the favorite ones are now closed. This current reality is not favorable to the girls, the owners or the customer. Personally I feel that some information in a post helps those who want to close an AMP more than it helps those who are looking for something fresh and new. In today's climate is it worth the risk? Do you want that girl's face on the evening news in 2 months or do you want to safeguard her livelihood and enjoy your massage until she decides to leave on her own? By all counts everyone is correct that this board is about finding girls and services, but the A2 doesn't care about local politics or AMPs closing because that is just collateral damage and life goes on. This website makes money from advertisers based on membership numbers for the owner and nothing else matters. Well, IMO we live here and we have to suffer through the drought of no available talent so we have to be smart or we will lose what little is left. I can't speak for JJ and his incredible list but I believe there is a reason why it hasn't been updated in long time. Yes, there is still one or two FS AMPs who operate outside of Wake County but gone is the one girl at most AMPs who really stood out and made your appointment extra special.
CLOSED = Holiday, Eden, ATSU (Cary & Garner), Westgate, YUCCA Foot, SuperRelax (Capital), Lotus, Eastern Spa, Touch of Asia and several others![/QUOTE]
If this is a real Human Trafficking story how come we have not heard the interviews and stories after they shut down the AMP and free all the women that are being held against their will? All we see is the mug shot for the arrest of giving a message without a license. Shouldn't there be at least one story of a woman being reunited with her family and telling us about her struggles, how mean and evil her captors were, how she was not able to leave and how she had no communication with the outside world? It makes me wonder.
[QUOTE=Jimjim77;3639579]Updating the list has become a problem for me. I've seen too many good people get hurt by the discrimination shown to the Asians in this area. Several lives have been ruined for no good reason except politics. They had nothing to do with Human Traffing which of course is evil. I've just stopped helping those who would hurt more innocent people who are just trying to survive.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XHippie;3639321]I'll just add this; it comes down to the State and sometimes the City. Example: certain States like Florida, California, NY none of these states have strict policies on AMP's of course there are a few that get popped but it's easy to get a massage license there and operate with no problems and they have many reviews on USASG and RMaps and they never get hassled; and this policy seems to be State wide. NC seems to be different! Like we've covered it's impossible to get a NC license compared to other States. Now where it gets weird is certain parts of NC seem to be hot spots for licenses to be checked to shut the stores down such as This Area and other areas are left alone. If you ride up the road in this State to Charlotte there are many places that the service could compare to VIP and the reports flow on the board about guys experiences. The strange part is they don't get hit with the same regulations as AMP's in this area. There are places in Fayetteville and some other rural area's that don't get the heat that this area gets and guys talk about their visits, Why is this area such a hot spot? P45 makes a very valid point that when we had or we have a certain place or girl we get giddy about we post away. Are these post related to the AMP troubles here? I'm sure they are but like I said the BIGGER question is why? Why this area? Charlotte, Fayetteville and the more rural areas and even a few in this area like Quality Bath house etc. No problems. Maybe it's because the folks that could shut these stores down got together and said Not In My Back Yard (mainly Raleigh / Cary). Its the only reason I can think of because we dont give out anymore info than other members in other cities.[/QUOTE]I sometimes think it is the neighboring stores that complain about these places and eventually get them shut down. One place in Cary had a woman in a nearby pet store sitting outside waiting for customers to go in and taking pics obviously the store had no business and she has no life. Within 3 months of opening the store was shut down. The other thought is that they probably are not paying the right people the right amount to stay open
[QUOTE=Pubb69;3639776]I sometimes think it is the neighboring stores that complain about these places and eventually get them shut down. One place in Cary had a woman in a nearby pet store sitting outside waiting for customers to go in and taking pics obviously the store had no business and she has no life. Within 3 months of opening the store was shut down. The other thought is that they probably are not paying the right people the right amount to stay open[/QUOTE]Depending how long anyone reading this has lived in this area Raleigh, Cary, Durham and any other small towns within reach like Garner, Clayton, Apex etc. This area started its growth in the 80's and in the last 25 Years has exploded. So we have a mix bag of residents and Government officials as well as LE it ain't Mayberry no more. The State seems to be in constant growth / change which seems to be keeping us changing laws from speed limits to cracking down on massage parlor business. So we have Yankees, Southerners, foreigners, well educated white collar workers, hard working blue collar workers and hillbillies from the Mayberry generation which is the group I come from and can most relate too. So you mix ALL these people in one congested area like Durham and Wake County decisions are made about schools, taxes and what can be built where and what kinds of business are allowed to operate. That's the environment that I perceive that my State has become. It's just the price we are paying for growth and who's running the show. IMO NC has always been a State that kind of watches other states for decades before they say ok it's time for us to change. When we do make a change it's usually either with a heavy hand or behind schedule. Which is the definition of being a Conservitive State I think! So my comment is just a long winded way of saying, listen up you Fuckers there's a new Sheriff in town watching you filthy mongers, not in my back yard. Good Grief I need a massage
My lower backs been bothering me due to leaf blower detail. Needed to see a good masseuse and a friend recommended Jenny at Happy. She's Korean probably late 40's thick build but strong. Not a looker but very sweet good English and man can she massage, My advice is if you go see her don't be grabbing and testing her, relax yourself and let her concentrate and do her thing. Muscles left happy left standard tip, would repeat with her if in the area. Like I said she's not a looker but a all around good visit.
I didn’t want to be harassed or groped so I avoided Massage Envy (sorry couldn’t resist)
[QUOTE=Pubb69;3639776]I sometimes think it is the neighboring stores that complain about these places and eventually get them shut down. One place in Cary had a woman in a nearby pet store sitting outside waiting for customers to go in and taking pics obviously the store had no business and she has no life. Within 3 months of opening the store was shut down. The other thought is that they probably are not paying the right people the right amount to stay open[/QUOTE]Depending how long anyone reading this has lived in this area Raleigh, Cary, Durham and any other small towns within reach like Garner, Clayton, Apex etc. This area started its growth in the 80's and in the last 25 Years has exploded. So we have a mix bag of residents and Government officials as well as LE it ain't Mayberry no more. The State seems to be in constant growth / change which seems to be keeping us changing laws from speed limits to cracking down on massage parlor business. So we have Yankees, Southerners, foreigners, well educated white collar workers, hard working blue collar workers and hillbillies from the Mayberry generation which is the group I come from and can most relate too. So you mix ALL these people in one congested area like Durham and Wake County decisions are made about schools, taxes and what can be built where and what kinds of business are allowed to operate. That's the environment that I perceive that my State has become. It's just the price we are paying for growth and who's running the show. IMO NC has always been a State that kind of watches other states for decades before they say ok it's time for us to change. When we do make a change it's usually either with a heavy hand or behind schedule. Which is the definition of being a Conservitive State I think! Which is a long winded way of saying, there's a new Sheriff in town you filthy mongers, not in my back yard.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3640468]My lower backs been bothering me due to leaf blower detail. Needed to see a good masseuse and a friend recommended Jenny at Happy. She's Korean probably late 40's thick build but strong. Not a looker but very sweet good English and man can she massage, My advice is if you go see her don't be grabbing and testing her, relax yourself and let her concentrate and do her thing. Muscles left happy left standard tip, would repeat with her if in the area. Like I said she's not a looker but a all around good visit.
I didnt want to be harassed or groped so I avoided Massage Envy (sorry couldnt resist)[/QUOTE]Jenny's great, but she's hands only. Gives a really good massage and enjoys fixing my problem areas. Was very excited to have a new go to for a great massage but the owner cycles the girls out every two months so she probably only has a week left there. Hoping to go back before she leaves.
Another place I go to for a great massage is 0019 it's now called Mandrin Massage or Mandrin Spa not sure (beside the Subway) But if you want a STRONG deep tissue massage ask for Lisa. This is 100% legit no exception but it is a ass kicking massage. Lisa is my go to girl for massage when I'm in that area. They do have a new phone number different from the old store not sure what it is but walk in's are fine but Lisa usually stays busy. You will notice the first 30 seconds when she starts damn this girl is strong. And if you ask for hard massage hold on and an hour is only $58 as far as I can remember. Its good to have a place to get a great massage without having to deal with the high priced sexual harassment you get at Massage Envy. Your wives and girlfriends are definitely at risk at Massage Envy, never leave your children unattended there. Really I saw reports about them on the news so its got to be true! thank god for Lisa :)
[URL]http://abc11.com/news/3-charged-after-raid-at-apex-massage-parlor/1566522/[/URL]
Perhaps it was something like this, real; trafficking.
[QUOTE=John252;3641714][URL]http://abc11.com/news/3-charged-after-raid-at-apex-massage-parlor/1566522/[/URL]
Perhaps it was something like this, real; trafficking.[/QUOTE]The trafficking verbiage is good for hyping up the story. But in reality there are tens of thousands of ladies here. And the ones that are trying to get their visa's to come here know the ladies that are here already. And the ladies in China have this thing called a phone and this new thing called the internet. They all know what it will cost to get here how much they will pay a store owner to survive what States and cities that have jobs. These ladies are not helpless and stupid that's why they are getting the hell out of China and coming here. Forced here? Forced to work in certain places? Forced to pay fees or taxes? Bull shit! This is an old business model that the owners and workers are very familiar with so there are no secrets of what they are getting into. They network to get here they net work once here. The headlines that they are controlled physically, mentally and financially are great news bites which is what our media has become. If you or I got fired today we would be looking for a job for weeks or more with our polished resumes. One of these girls can leave a job Monday morning and be at her new job later that day.. the norm now is hype it till they believe it.. The ones that are writing the articles about this forced labor are setting at a keyboard typing away while the clothes on their back was probably made with forced labor.. dumb shits!
So AMP scene is fucked up in Raleigh. Great hoes my Christmas visit. I'll check back and see if things any better.
Peace.
IC.
I'm assuming Gina is gone by now. Could someone please PM me information about the new talent at this spot? Was thinking of heading over there in a few if it's worth it right now.