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[QUOTE=Chris21; 1596095]Hello all,
Great forum. Wish I read some of these posts before hitting a place that turned out poor. LOL.
What would you recommend for the Quincy area?
Thank you[/QUOTE]Not alot for non-asain in quincy I don't think. I'd be curious to hear of some though too.
[QUOTE=BaconBits; 1595806]I have seen her many times. She gives a good massage. Clean place. Stopped going recently because of the boyfriend lurking about. She will say he is just a friend. But is her BF. She may or may not let you leave happy. She is easily spooked and it sometimes is unsettling. She is trying to stay legit she says. There is a shower available. It's located in a home on a fairly busy street. FYI, I know uncle Leo was poking around there as well so I discretion is advised.
I have to say she is a really nice woman though. Treat her nicely.
BB[/QUOTE]Spot on the BF note. I saw her a bit ago and she dropped the lotion and she had uttered a nice common swear word. The door opens and in pops a head to make sure things were ok. Left in a hurry.
[QUOTE=Hags Joe;1596179]687 Hancock St[/QUOTE]Did a search, lots on 1515 not much on 687
[ATTACH=CONFIG]212886[/ATTACH][QUOTE=HappyDave;1596730]Did a search, lots on 1515 not much on 687[/QUOTE]Just google! It is a bi place. You can find a stick or a hole there. Whatever your pleasure is.
[QUOTE=Stressed Out; 1596769]
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Just google! It is a bi place. You can find a stick or a hole there. Whatever your pleasure is.[/QUOTE]It's a Dunkin Donuts.
Any 411 on:
[url]http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/thp/3404826644.html[/url]
Please pm
[QUOTE=HappyDave;1596730]Did a search, lots on 1515 not much on 687[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=687[/url]+Hancock+St. +Quincy+MA+reviews&l=1
Hot, steamy and black is what I like there.
[QUOTE=Stressed Out; 1596769]
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Just google! It is a bi place. You can find a stick or a hole there. Whatever your pleasure is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MojoRisin76;1596928]It's a Dunkin Donuts.[/QUOTE]Never seen a TS there. Only got good legit massage.
BD
[QUOTE=Stressed Out;1596523]Spot on the BF note. I saw her a bit ago and she dropped the lotion and she had uttered a nice common swear word. The door opens and in pops a head to make sure things were ok. Left in a hurry.[/QUOTE]Ummm. Ya, I'd be SO ALL DONE with that kinda crap o. 0? You got dudes lurking and listening outside all the doors to bust in at a moments notice LOL. Fakkkkkk that!
[QUOTE=Top Floor;1597188]Hot, steamy and black is what I like there.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, very freeekin funny! I expect topfloor or stressedout to ontop on this crap a little' faster next time LOL. WTF man. If stressedout did not PM me as fast as he did I'd have wasted $20 in gas and time dikin' around only to find a cup of iced tea to pour in my lap and put out the fire! Seniors are seniors to protect us from this.
Dammit!
[QUOTE=BigDog001; 1597259]Never seen a TS there. Only got good legit massage.
BD[/QUOTE]I've gotten excellent legit massages and seen some cute girls there-born girls. Not born again girls.
BD
[QUOTE=BigDog001; 1597902]I've gotten excellent legit massages and seen some cute girls there-born girls. Not born again girls.
BD[/QUOTE]587 would be a good spot for me. It's on my way home. I wish that they did extras there.
Anybody have any info about his place
Thanks Rac.
Peachy Massage.
258 Main Street 1st floor left.
West Springfied, MA. 01090.
Call 413-686-9359.
Or book on-line at.
[url]http://www.peachymassage.com[/url]
By appointment only. No walk-ins.
$ 40- $ 70.
This week $ 10. Off 60 minute massage.
A great "go to sleep" massage.
Thanks for looking.
Deb.
LMT
Any contact info for? BP massage therapy section
[quote]Backpage. Com boston services boston therapeutic massage
Best massage you'll ever havePosted: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:59 PM
Reply: Sophanie2010@hotmail.com
I'm a license massage therapist looking to built my clientele outside of work. Looking to open a new business soon. So when I do all my client going to have a place where they can come and let loose. Feel confortable and leave all their stress behind. I'm a very friendly person. I have a very soothing touch and I will take you to paradise. And I'm not some kind of creep. If anybody interested send me an e-mail and I will get back to you. Looking forward to meeting new people
Everett. 02149 google map | yahoo map.
• Location: Boston, Revere, Malden, Everett, Somerville
• Post ID: 21281815 boston[/quote]
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69; 1591836]Any hobbyists try TT in Chelmsford? What is the feedback? I didn't find any 411 on the forum.
JB[/QUOTE]She was reviewed a few months back after she began advertising on CL. I went and things looked promising. Offered the undraped option without prodding. Then things went downhill. When junior showed a pulse on the flip she said,"I don't do happy endings, but you can masturbate." Sometimes taking up the DIY offer gets a helping hand. No go.
You should ask that question in the Springfield forum.
[QUOTE=RacinJunkie; 1599123]Anybody have any info about his place
Thanks Rac.
Peachy Massage.
258 Main Street 1st floor left.
West Springfied, MA. 01090.
Call 413-686-9359.
Or book on-line at.
[url]http://www.peachymassage.com[/url]
By appointment only. No walk-ins.
$ 40- $ 70.
This week $ 10. Off 60 minute massage.
A great "go to sleep" massage.
Thanks for looking.
Deb.
LMT[/QUOTE]
This is so I do not have to send out a million pm's. Sabrina came over yesterday. At this time she is working at a legit mp. Due to that fact she does not want to see anyone as of yet. She is looking to move to a better mp for fitting for her. If I hear more I will update everyone. I did give her all messages sent to me.
Also if you do run into her do not call her Sabrina as she is going by another name.
Hey fellow hobbyists;
Any out there try this:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sensual-massage-incredible-experience-with-or-without-prostate-massage/21125541[/url]
She looks hot and thinking of trying this week so would appreciate some feedback and 411. Please pm to share.
Happy Thanksgiving!
JB, as I'm sure you know, Tantric is code for "300 an hour. 1.5 hour minimum" and "body glide option", well, sounds like fun but "option" sounds like you should bring your Amex.
I have no factual information, just my spidey sense tingling and not in a good way.
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69; 1601232]Hey fellow hobbyists;
Any out there try this:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sensual-massage-incredible-experience-with-or-without-prostate-massage/21125541[/url]
She looks hot and thinking of trying this week so would appreciate some feedback and 411. Please pm to share.
Happy Thanksgiving![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69; 1601232]Hey fellow hobbyists;
Any out there try this:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sensual-massage-incredible-experience-with-or-without-prostate-massage/21125541[/url]
She looks hot and thinking of trying this week so would appreciate some feedback and 411. Please pm to share.
Happy Thanksgiving![/QUOTE]It appears that you are looking for help with prostate problems (since everything else offered in that add is pretty available anywhere). I still find it hard to believe that medical help such as this is "questionable" at best in this day in age, but that not withstanding
I will tell you the best I've ever seen with this concept is Tori (who I've mentioned previously in my posts) , she is in Chinatown several days per week and also on the south shore several days a week, though I will warn you she is a post op (you would never know it unless I told you). I personally can't clear my mind of info that I know (though I wish so much I could because Tori is nothing short of a dream for most men). I hope to someday get the courage and comfort to demonstrate or teach some of the technics Tori allowed me to experience to the real girls I love at my local spa. As Martin Luther once said."I have a Dream!" hope this helps you and GL my friend, I hope your able to find the complete relief you seek.
[QUOTE=Diogenesbarrel; 1601340]JB, as I'm sure you know, Tantric is code for "300 an hour. 1.5 hour minimum" and "body glide option", well, sounds like fun but "option" sounds like you should bring your Amex.
I have no factual information, just my spidey sense tingling and not in a good way.[/QUOTE]Reviewed omn other board I believe but pics are fake to start with and not a true tantric if that is what your looking for
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69; 1601232]Hey fellow hobbyists;
Any out there try this:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sensual-massage-incredible-experience-with-or-without-prostate-massage/21125541[/url]
She looks hot and thinking of trying this week so would appreciate some feedback and 411. Please pm to share.
Happy Thanksgiving![/QUOTE]There is no way she is even close to the pictures. I made the mistake of seeing her. Please be smart and don't make the same mistake. Her definition of Tantra is a finger up your ass.
[QUOTE=Ralphy3456;1601514]There is no way she is even close to the pictures. I made the mistake of seeing her. Please be smart and don't make the same mistake. Her definition of Tantra is a finger up your ass.[/QUOTE]So typical, I contacted her a few weeks ago and was going to TOFTT but her attitude was a huge turnoff so I passed. When I asked if the pics were really her and recent she got angry and asked if I was accusing her of lying (by posting fake pics) then when I started to ask a question about the location (hotel vs. Home or office) she sounded even angrier, said I was asking too many questions, do I want to book now. So I passed. Any I've spoken with in the past who actually have any real Tantra knowledge or skills have just come across so much sweeter even if refusing to answer specific questions. Not surprised at all to hear her pics are fake and service is poor.
[QUOTE=Really69; 1601470]It appears that you are looking for help with prostate problems (since everything else offered in that add is pretty available anywhere). I still find it hard to believe that medical help such as this is "questionable" at best in this day in age, but that not withstanding
I will tell you the best I've ever seen with this concept is Tori (who I've mentioned previously in my posts) , she is in Chinatown several days per week and also on the south shore several days a week, though I will warn you she is a post op (you would never know it unless I told you). I personally can't clear my mind of info that I know (though I wish so much I could because Tori is nothing short of a dream for most men). I hope to someday get the courage and comfort to demonstrate or teach some of the technics Tori allowed me to experience to the real girls I love at my local spa. As Martin Luther once said."I have a Dream!" hope this helps you and GL my friend, I hope your able to find the complete relief you seek.[/QUOTE]Got to agree on the Tori thing. Never suspected her of being a post op. Experience was awesome.
[QUOTE=Ralphy3456;1601514]There is no way she is even close to the pictures. I made the mistake of seeing her. Please be smart and don't make the same mistake. Her definition of Tantra is a finger up your ass.[/QUOTE]I don't think LMT are trained in true tantic practices but when I hear the term used I interpret it as a more full body massage with the LMT using her entire body to connect to you, this would include her being very sensual, very naked and
Caressing all over you with her body. (a finger up the butt I always interpret as prostate massage LOL).
I think it really takes time with the same LMT (or at least the same spa) to build the connection, trust, friendship and understanding of the girls their to seriously expect them to be able to "connect" with you in tantric like way. I personally need to.
Feel a connection to even allow myself to enjoy and relax completely. Its one thing to simply have a massage and a HE, its a whole different think to enjoy completely a girl who also enjoys you completely. Even the spa's and LMT who do this and do it well need
Some degree of time and trust in order to do it! This can't be achieved in one meeting with a stranger on an ad.
[QUOTE=Diogenesbarrel; 1601340]JB, as I'm sure you know, Tantric is code for "300 an hour. 1.5 hour minimum" and "body glide option", well, sounds like fun but "option" sounds like you should bring your Amex.
I have no factual information, just my spidey sense tingling and not in a good way.[/QUOTE]Dgb,
Thanks for the info. Yes, I've seen all the traveling tantric provider ads who seek 200-300 per hour. Crazy shit. I just thought there was a provider out there that ca provide that tingling sensation for 50 minutes.
JB
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69; 1602050]Dgb,
Thanks for the info. Yes, I've seen all the traveling tantric provider ads who seek 200-300 per hour. Crazy shit. I just thought there was a provider out there that ca provide that tingling sensation for 50 minutes.
JB[/QUOTE]Plenty of providers will give sensual massage using their whole body against yours, the trick is becoming a "regular" and communicating in a kind way what you like.
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69; 1601232]Hey fellow hobbyists;
Any out there try this:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sensual-massage-incredible-experience-with-or-without-prostate-massage/21125541[/url]
She looks hot and thinking of trying this week so would appreciate some feedback and 411. Please pm to share.
Happy Thanksgiving![/QUOTE]In the West people may go through their whole life viewing sex as a source of recreation rather than as a means of transformation. The goal is to reach orgasm like a dog in heat rather than to pleasure and connect with their lover.
Their boring sexual acts have a distinct beginning and end, a climax somewhere in there (yawn) , and last for about 10 or 15 seconds, ah, no, not seconds, minutes, ahem, minutes. Given that women can take about 20 minutes just to warm up and reach full arousal (longer than they need to put on their makeup!) , this type of sexual experience can be deeply unsatisfying for them, their more sensitive partners, and even for their normal partners who are fast asleep and already dreaming by this time.
In the Tantric model the sexual experience is seen as a dance with no beginning or end[2]. A dance that keeps a divine focus on the present moment of exquisite union. For this reason, it is meditative, expressive, intimate, and more costly if you're paying for it.
Leading teachers of Tantra say that even men who experience premature ejaculation can learn to extend their lovemaking. One of the most well known advocates of Tantra is the musician Sting[3], who blames it for his fulfilling sex life-although he does give shout-outs to vodka and his credit limit. So, bottom-line, the magic of Tantra is available to anyone.
[url]http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Tantra[/url]
[QUOTE=Jimi Foxx; 1603062]In the West people may go through their whole life viewing sex as a source of recreation rather than as a means of transformation. The goal is to reach orgasm like a dog in heat rather than to pleasure and connect with their lover.
Their boring sexual acts have a distinct beginning and end, a climax somewhere in there (yawn) , and last for about 10 or 15 seconds, ah, no, not seconds, minutes, ahem, minutes. Given that women can take about 20 minutes just to warm up and reach full arousal (longer than they need to put on their makeup!) , this type of sexual experience can be deeply unsatisfying for them, their more sensitive partners, and even for their normal partners who are fast asleep and already dreaming by this time.
In the Tantric model the sexual experience is seen as a dance with no beginning or end[2]. A dance that keeps a divine focus on the present moment of exquisite union. For this reason, it is meditative, expressive, intimate, and more costly if you're paying for it.
Leading teachers of Tantra say that even men who experience premature ejaculation can learn to extend their lovemaking. One of the most well known advocates of Tantra is the musician Sting[3], who blames it for his fulfilling sex life-although he does give shout-outs to vodka and his credit limit. So, bottom-line, the magic of Tantra is available to anyone.
[url]http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Tantra[/url][/QUOTE]JF,
Who can help with this? Can you pm me w / suggestions?
JB
[QUOTE=Really69;1602846]Plenty of providers will give sensual massage using their whole body against yours, the trick is becoming a "regular" and communicating in a kind way what you like.[/QUOTE]R69,
Can you pm me and offer suggestions?
JB
I was in the area, so I made an appointment. She never could have been the woman in the pictures. She is older, much older. She also has a serious additude. It was not a good experience.
[QUOTE=SecretSquirell;1601626]So typical, I contacted her a few weeks ago and was going to TOFTT but her attitude was a huge turnoff so I passed. When I asked if the pics were really her and recent she got angry and asked if I was accusing her of lying (by posting fake pics) then when I started to ask a question about the location (hotel vs. Home or office) she sounded even angrier, said I was asking too many questions, do I want to book now. So I passed. Any I've spoken with in the past who actually have any real Tantra knowledge or skills have just come across so much sweeter even if refusing to answer specific questions. Not surprised at all to hear her pics are fake and service is poor.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/slip-away-for-the-perfect-escape-with-me-a-real-cmt-28/21475345[/url]
NOT AN ESCORT SERVICE! Attractive, female, REAL Certified Massage Therapist! I am seeking upscale, reliable and pleasent GENTLEMEN clientle. I am the real deal, and here for the long-haul! So, if you are seeking a full-body sensual / therapeutic (Really, the perfect mix. By a sweet and sexy, friendly, yet professional, exotic girl-next-door, why would you wait? Call now:
(857) 654-2122 9am-5pm
I rtff but couldn't find any reviews. She used to post pics in her ad that showed her a little bit heavier. Has she lost weight or gained it?
This is the infamous "Cat" who used to practice out of Waltham / Watertown. She is also known as the "Rubber Glove Girl" for the dishwashing gloves she used during the HE.
I saw her once and it was a waste of time / money. She constantly upsells and I was shorted on time.
Caveat emptor!
[QUOTE=WalterMitty; 1604539][url]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/slip-away-for-the-perfect-escape-with-me-a-real-cmt-28/21475345[/url]
NOT AN ESCORT SERVICE! Attractive, female, REAL Certified Massage Therapist! I am seeking upscale, reliable and pleasent GENTLEMEN clientle. I am the real deal, and here for the long-haul! So, if you are seeking a full-body sensual / therapeutic (Really, the perfect mix. By a sweet and sexy, friendly, yet professional, exotic girl-next-door, why would you wait? Call now:
(857) 654-2122 9am-5pm
I rtff but couldn't find any reviews. She used to post pics in her ad that showed her a little bit heavier. Has she lost weight or gained it?[/QUOTE]
I had a friend who saw her. He tells me she's a bit heavier than her pics. She no longer uses a rubber glove. She does upsell the whole time. 20 more for topless. 20 more to leave happy.
Good luck
[QUOTE=Moogaar1; 1604572]This is the infamous "Cat" who used to practice out of Waltham / Watertown. She is also known as the "Rubber Glove Girl" for the dishwashing gloves she used during the HE.
I saw her once and it was a waste of time / money. She constantly upsells and I was shorted on time.
Caveat emptor![/QUOTE]
Hey gents,
Seemed to have lost touch with Isabella. Last saw her in malden. Let me know if you any 411 please.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Marcusman24; 1604653]I had a friend who saw her. He tells me she's a bit heavier than her pics. She no longer uses a rubber glove. She does upsell the whole time. 20 more for topless. 20 more to leave happy.
Good luck[/QUOTE]I visited Cat in Watertown at her small office and when she pulled out the gloves and started the upsells I stopped her right there and told her to just go ahead with the massage for the full time and I would just go ahead and enjoy.
The massage as a massage (which she wasn't skilled at, either). She tried to backpedal from $20 for this and $20 for that, and said she could do a "special," $30 for topless with a happy ending, but I told her that even without the.
Gloves that would be a pricey sum (1. 5 for a topless HE?) so I was going to save the $30 and insisted on staying for the full 30 minutes. When she tried to short me by ten minutes I reminded her I had paid good $$$ for a full.
Half-hour massage, and if she intended to cut my time by a third I would want a third of what I'd paid over. $120. Returned to me. I let her know that I would contact the local BBB (which wouldn't really affect her online ads, I know) and would also let the building landlord know about the services being offered out of one of his offices. She grumbled and continued the "massage" (it was so awful I would hardly even call it that) , and at exactly 29 minutes into the appointment she tossed me a small hand-towel to remove the oil she'd slathered on. Back then (this was several years ago) Cat was pretty cute, so when I first saw her I was happy to fork over the $120 for the promise of a sensual rub by a hot lady. But her attitude was like a bucket of ice cold water, and between the gloves and the limited view (and no reciprocal touching allowed at all, of course) I was glad I didn't hand over another pair of Jacksons.
I lost out on what would have surely have been a 15-minute quick-rub and HE for $120 (and I would have left happily at the 15 minute mark) , but she lost out on a repeat client (yes, she was pretty cute) and she also had to spend the full time occupied with a "massage" that we both knew wasn't the real reason for my visit.
I can never figure out why these gals with awful attitudes don't realize that it's better for them to have a reliable, repeat clientele than to annoy every visitor by getting too greedy. And don't they bother to check out the charges asked by their competition, either? . Even at the time, I was soooo glad I walked out of there instead of handing over any more do-re-mi to that lady.
Finally! Someone that knows how to say NO. I commend you Adobe on having the testicular fortitude to put an upselling poor provider in her place.
Cheers to you Sir. You are my new hero.
I'm all verklempt, someone get me a tissue.
RS1
[QUOTE=Adobe; 1605744]I visited Cat in Watertown at her small office and when she pulled out the gloves and started the upsells I stopped her right there and told her to just go ahead with the massage for the full time and I would just go ahead and enjoy.
The massage as a massage (which she wasn't skilled at, either). She tried to backpedal from $20 for this and $20 for that, and said she could do a "special," $30 for topless with a happy ending, but I told her that even without the.
Gloves that would be a pricey sum (1. 5 for a topless HE?) so I was going to save the $30 and insisted on staying for the full 30 minutes. When she tried to short me by ten minutes I reminded her I had paid good $$$ for a full.
Half-hour massage, and if she intended to cut my time by a third I would want a third of what I'd paid over. $120. Returned to me. I let her know that I would contact the local BBB (which wouldn't really affect her online ads, I know) and would also let the building landlord know about the services being offered out of one of his offices. She grumbled and continued the "massage" (it was so awful I would hardly even call it that) , and at exactly 29 minutes into the appointment she tossed me a small hand-towel to remove the oil she'd slathered on. Back then (this was several years ago) Cat was pretty cute, so when I first saw her I was happy to fork over the $120 for the promise of a sensual rub by a hot lady. But her attitude was like a bucket of ice cold water, and between the gloves and the limited view (and no reciprocal touching allowed at all, of course) I was glad I didn't hand over another pair of Jacksons.
I lost out on what would have surely have been a 15-minute quick-rub and HE for $120 (and I would have left happily at the 15 minute mark) , but she lost out on a repeat client (yes, she was pretty cute) and she also had to spend the full time occupied with a "massage" that we both knew wasn't the real reason for my visit.
I can never figure out why these gals with awful attitudes don't realize that it's better for them to have a reliable, repeat clientele than to annoy every visitor by getting too greedy. And don't they bother to check out the charges asked by their competition, either? . Even at the time, I was soooo glad I walked out of there instead of handing over any more do-re-mi to that lady.[/QUOTE]
Elena have her ad on CL and decided to call her again. I tryied to reach her 3-4 times before but it didn't worked out. She was or busy or in a college. Real sexy voice on the phone! This time she made things so easy. Met her at her incall in the Back Bay. Upon visiting her apartment, I was greeting by a stunning woman with an incredible body and fantastic eyes. She is even better looking than the picture on her ad and she slim. I couldn't take my eyes off her amazing body especially her nice ass in her sexy tight dress. Went down to her massage room where the atmosphere was perfect. Candles burning, music playing on her laptop and very clean. I really could not take my eyes off of her incredible body! She provided an awesome massage and I could just feel those perfect touch of my body. She understood my apprehensiveness, thus this being my first time and she was joyful, caring and simply wonderful. Her sensual touch, soft hand and awesome upbeat attitude made this hour so very special. Elena is truly a special woman. She has a great attitude and is very easy going and loves what she does. I cannot wait to schedule another visit! For those in the Boston area, you should not even hesitate contacting her. She is such a beautiful, sweet, kind young lady. I am so happy that I met her tryed many times before but couldn't. I bet Elena has a lot of regulars.
Mark
[QUOTE=Mark Keller; 1608688]Elena have her ad on CL and decided to call her again. I tryied to reach her 3-4 times before but it didn't worked out. She was or busy or in a college. Real sexy voice on the phone! This time she made things so easy. Met her at her incall in the Back Bay. Upon visiting her apartment, I was greeting by a stunning woman with an incredible body and fantastic eyes. She is even better looking than the picture on her ad and she slim. I couldn't take my eyes off her amazing body especially her nice ass in her sexy tight dress. Went down to her massage room where the atmosphere was perfect. Candles burning, music playing on her laptop and very clean. I really could not take my eyes off of her incredible body! She provided an awesome massage and I could just feel those perfect touch of my body. She understood my apprehensiveness, thus this being my first time and she was joyful, caring and simply wonderful. Her sensual touch, soft hand and awesome upbeat attitude made this hour so very special. Elena is truly a special woman. She has a great attitude and is very easy going and loves what she does. I cannot wait to schedule another visit! For those in the Boston area, you should not even hesitate contacting her. She is such a beautiful, sweet, kind young lady. I am so happy that I met her tryed many times before but couldn't. I bet Elena has a lot of regulars.
Mark[/QUOTE]Elena you are good, infact very good, but no way is it sensual until the end.