Non Pro's

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6545202]My question when I get that is if she has a "few" that pay her $1500 PPM why is she still trolling for people?[/QUOTE]Because simps gone simp!

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;6544686]Keep in mind that most of the sugar girls are pretty easily impressed. And the ones that aren't are probably pretty greedy and jaded and you don't want or need to bother with them.

So I make a point of taking them on a first meetup to a pretty nice restaurant. Nice enough that they've probably never been there or anyplace comparable. My own experience is that if you play that right they will basically throw themselves at you to get more of that alone.

Honestly I find it shocking how many girls in their 20's never seem to have been on a halfway decent date with any guy. So if you take them someplace nice, are reasonably clean, and are kind and courteous they will be out of their clothes and on their backs for you in short order.[/QUOTE]I seriously doubt that. When they (20's) want to fuck, they get Chad. Not some old dude off seeking. Show me a 304 that's impressed by food?? LOL.

[QUOTE=Kinkaid69;6544983]It's not that 100 is a lot, it's a filter. The girl who wants money for a first meet is either a scam, or she is here primarily for the money. She's more likely to be fake, business like, semi-pro, or jaded.

The ideal SB is looking for a gentlman with the means and class to treat her well and give her experiences she can't get from guys her age, or she fetishizes older guys. These sort of real SBs don't need an added inentive to be treated to an expensive meal, she is happy to enjoy the experience. The alowance or PPM is just a way to make up for the time she spends with you, instead of working or hustling, so she has the freedom to enjoy your time together.[/QUOTE]Yea I told her as much that 100 is neither here nor there if you become my sugar baby 100 bucks is nothing. A smart girl will see I am the real deal and will treat her right!

I am seeing a lot of scammers / fakes say they are in Capitol Hill. Out of state numbers etc. I am simply not messaging girls that joined recently, cause it appears those are just scammers. Too much wasted time talking to them.

"Heavy user, but hot body. Managed. If you can put up with her being out of it a lot, will let you do anything. ".

Mmmhmmm those girls can be the best The ones who are fucked up. Half drunk. Stoned etc. There is no fuss or attitude. They are just totally submissive to anything you want to do. It's great.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6543182]Watch out for a girl by the name of "LatinaK" She is a scammer. I admit I got scammed. Was the second girl I met off this site. I should have just listened to my gut.[/QUOTE]New scheme we should all be aware of? In my old and experienced sugar dating mind. I like to think I've seen it all and won't fall for it anymore. Worst that happens now days is plans are made and I get stood up last minute (or last minute they ask for money in advance).

To name one that got me within the last year. Meeting a woman I had seen 7-8 times to give an advance to when neither of us had time to meet that day (she was desperate) and her avoiding the 'no allowance' session afterwards until she ghosted. Figured after dating that many times she was reliable. Lesson learnt! Never advance and personally I have a strong preference for women who are not desperate as it's a sign of being a flake / liar / manipulator / etc. I mean. How many other guys on the site can an attractive woman give that sob story to?

Be careful out there!

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6545753]I seriously doubt that. When they (20's) want to fuck, they get Chad. Not some old dude off seeking. Show me a 304 that's impressed by food?? LOL.[/QUOTE]All I can say is that it works for me. 100 percent of the time. Not a lot of things I've found work that well, honestly.

Most of these girls have never been inside a restaurant much nicer than Olive Garden or Red Lobster.

[QUOTE=Paradigum;6545887]New scheme we should all be aware of? In my old and experienced sugar dating mind. I like to think I've seen it all and won't fall for it anymore. Worst that happens now days is plans are made and I get stood up last minute (or last minute they ask for money in advance).

To name one that got me within the last year. Meeting a woman I had seen 7-8 times to give an advance to when neither of us had time to meet that day (she was desperate) and her avoiding the 'no allowance' session afterwards until she ghosted. Figured after dating that many times she was reliable. Lesson learnt! Never advance and personally I have a strong preference for women who are not desperate as it's a sign of being a flake / liar / manipulator / etc. I mean. How many other guys on the site can an attractive woman give that sob story to?

Be careful out there![/QUOTE]Similar line, I was on business trip for 3-weeks so decide to try local scenery through SA. Set on tri-weekly meet with allowance. 1 week before the D-day, she says she is seeing someone cause she is desperate for money for her father who suffers mild stroke.

I was mad, cause she seems to elude advancement, so when I say I am not happy she blocks me.

The other things be careful also, any girls saying she is into SM, Greek etc. that'll get your motor running.

Next.

[QUOTE=AlanHeckle;6543521]You're not wrong but at least for me I'm not really digging the older women (unless they are total smokeshows) because honestly I feel that I could get a 37 year old divorcee with kids normally. Why pay for it? Part of the appeal is getting that college woman who I couldn't get otherwise.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents (I'm late 40's). The 18-25 crowd is flakey. I don't have time to mess around. The 28-35 crowd is no nonsense, better in bed, doesn't get contacted as much, better communicators, and know the drill. Not just anyone, still 8's and 9's, girls who are in the gym a lot and spending money to look good. YMMV of course. Part of what I'm paying for is no BS, those women are better at that part.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ae7f5805-8790-41e4-b39a-a3a366dbf1aa[/URL] - CatsPajamas.

I'm apparently running terrible, with two straight 'GPS' women. The exact quote on this one was "my last two successful arrangements started with a ppm of 1000 and I'm looking to meet (or exceed) that this time around."

I kind of hate calling out the idea of "GPS" but I am surprised to hear these amounts. Been doing this 3 years with success and I typically go a bit higher than what most who post on here say they're comfortable with. Bananas to see almost 100-200% inflation in allowances all of a sudden.

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6545753]I seriously doubt that. When they (20's) want to fuck, they get Chad. Not some old dude off seeking. Show me a 304 that's impressed by food?? LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm going to disagree. A majority of the younger ones have never had someone take them to a nice place for dinner. They also haven't had a guy open the door for them, pull their chair out so they can sit and a bunch of other shit that we were taught to do that no one seems to do any more. They aren't fucking us because they're horny; they're fucking us because they want money. But treating them better than someone their age would, gets them to actually like us. I'm back in the regular dating pool, but I still have a SB carryover from last year, that goes to dinner with me and hangs out occasionally. I don't give her money any more and I haven't been screwing her (though it almost happened Monday), but I'm also no longer paying her, she's going out with me because she likes me. She's 27.

I have a friend that is 60+ and ugly as fuck. He has (or had. IRS got him) money and a horde of SBs that were 19-23. He was married He is actually the one that got me started looking into the SB scene many years ago. Anyway, I knew most of the girls he was seeing because we hung out together a lot. I probably asked 4-5 of them what they were doing with an old, ugly, hairy guy that was 3 times their age. Their responses were all the same. Basically, "He treats me better than any I guy I've ever been with. I was grossed out at first, but he's really a sweet man. I'd rather be with him than a guy my age that treats me like shit. ".

Yes, money has something to with it, but when I civi date, I still occasionally get people 20-25 years younger than me because I treat them how I was taught to treat women by my mother and how I expect men to treat my daughters. Younger men don't do that.

[QUOTE=NYTransplant1;6546045][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ae7f5805-8790-41e4-b39a-a3a366dbf1aa[/URL] - CatsPajamas.

I'm apparently running terrible, with two straight 'GPS' women. The exact quote on this one was "my last two successful arrangements started with a ppm of 1000 and I'm looking to meet (or exceed) that this time around."

I kind of hate calling out the idea of "GPS" but I am surprised to hear these amounts. Been doing this 3 years with success and I typically go a bit higher than what most who post on here say they're comfortable with. Bananas to see almost 100-200% inflation in allowances all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the quote "for every beautiful woman out there, there is a guy bored of fucking her".

I am sure there are wealthy men out there who don't blink at $1 k but my suspicion is that it's more like a guy who fixates on a particular girl and justifies paying for a ludicrously high arrangement. It certainly shortens the negotiation. But they lose interest in a month or two and probably won't repeat.

[QUOTE=VanDawg;6546030]My 2 cents (I'm late 40's). The 18-25 crowd is flakey. I don't have time to mess around. The 28-35 crowd is no nonsense, better in bed, doesn't get contacted as much, better communicators, and know the drill. Not just anyone, still 8's and 9's, girls who are in the gym a lot and spending money to look good. YMMV of course. Part of what I'm paying for is no BS, those women are better at that part.[/QUOTE]One thing you also have to consider is that the 18-25 crowd and on the younger of that age range is at the point in there life that bad decisions don't really show up on there body as much so you can't really use there body a lot of times as an good indication of how well they take care of themselves or there lifestyle. If they are 28-30+ and they are still smoking hot. You know they have taken really really good care of themselves and eat right. If they are already looking rough at 18-21 they clearly are living a bad lifestyle.

I have had nothing but GPS girls except this one girl who is offering me 250 ppm for 3 hours. She is really hot too. Not from America. Says all is included. I didn't ask what that includes. Should I?

I got a message back from a girl who wants 800-1 k per week for a girl who is slightly above average in terms of looks. Nothing that special. It seems like I just won't be able to afford any of these girls. I had seen what looked like reasonable ppm's on here and thought I could find a girl for 300-500 PPM and have some choices. It doesn't appear from anything I've ever seen that any of these girls are going to fall into that.

I got catfished. I don't want too post the members details on here in case she watches this thread. I tried to make the best of the situation though. Her photographs made her look really skinny, great use of angles. What a joke LOL.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6546666] If they are 28-30+ and they are still smoking hot. You know they have taken really really good care of themselves and eat right. If they are already looking rough at 18-21 they clearly are living a bad lifestyle.[/QUOTE]That's true but I'm not in it for the longer term. But fitness and taking care of themselves helps. Nothing like banging a tight fitness girl.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6546666]I have had nothing but GPS girls except this one girl who is offering me 250 ppm for 3 hours. She is really hot too. Not from America. Says all is included. I didn't ask what that includes. Should I?[/QUOTE]Nope don't ask. Just assume CIP and go from there. Be aware of the usual scams.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6546666]
I got a message back from a girl who wants 800-1 k per week for a girl who is slightly above average in terms of looks. Nothing that special. It seems like I just won't be able to afford any of these girls. I had seen what looked like reasonable ppm's on here and thought I could find a girl for 300-500 PPM and have some choices. It doesn't appear from anything I've ever seen that any of these girls are going to fall into that.[/QUOTE]Lots of girls have GPS syndrome. Offer the 300, if they aren't interested, say thanks and go on your way. I've had more than one girl message me back after some time and go for my original offer they weren't interested in. They have to figure this out for themselves. Just be a normal guy.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6546632]I am sure there are wealthy men out there who don't blink at $1 k but my suspicion is that it's more like a guy who fixates on a particular girl and justifies paying for a ludicrously high arrangement. It certainly shortens the negotiation. But they lose interest in a month or two and probably won't repeat.[/QUOTE]Why would you drop 1 k on her though? Browsing on seeking it's not uncommon to see perfect 10's for whatever your preference is. If they have a decent personality, sure some wealthy guy will pay $1 k for them, and I bet they are earning it. Not regular looking girls like her.

KindCutie.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/aa3bf7fc-0a24-4c81-a172-5c0c9dae411c[/URL]

She is late 30's, cute but really nothing extraordinary.

First thing she asked when switching to text.

"What is your ballpark budget. I run higher than some".

I offer 400, she replied that would only cover oral.