"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I've messaged her too, and gotten some pics via texting. Yeah it just takes patience and conversation. She seems smart, and yeah, smart enough not to put up with much. And an absolutely a cutie. Seems like a real prospect if you're willing to play by her rules. We'll see.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;5028179]Interesting as I got the opposite feeling about her in the 2 days of messaging. One of the few teenagers on there that can carry on a conversation about expectations in an arrangement. Like most new ones, she has been swamped with messages and plenty of the expected rude ones. Making plans to meet next week for a m&g that would roll right into hotel room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ArtImperial;5028502]I've messaged her too, and gotten some pics via texting. Yeah it just takes patience and conversation. She seems smart, and yeah, smart enough not to put up with much. And an absolutely a cutie. Seems like a real prospect if you're willing to play by her rules. We'll see.[/QUOTE]Too many other options out there for me to feel like I want to grovel to impress an 18-year old, hope she ends up being worth it!

Has anyone had any success using Secret Benefits?

Cute Asian.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f27aa004-7dff-4c76-8622-bd665564b2c5[/URL]

[QUOTE=CrimsonMan;5027474]No link because she blocked me. Snotty 18-year old with an attitude so not sure what she's really doing on the site. Responded to my initial message and follow ups with terse, disinterested responses. She then asked what I'm looking for other than the predictable stuff all the guys say. I gave my response and asked what she's looking for. She replied that intelligence and good conversation are important. When I replied that we'd have to meet up to really learn that about each other she answered that if you can't show it here (in SA messaging) then you're probably not going to go very far. I let her know that she wasn't exactly blowing me away with her conversational skills and she blocked me.[/QUOTE]We exchanged a ton of messages and I thought I was getting somewhere. I told her I wanted her to feel comfortable meeting bc I noticed she was new so I told her let's meet in a public place like a Starbucks or let me take her out to eat, I even said she could bring a friend if she wanted. I was off work the next day so I said how about tomorrow? She replied that me wanting to meet tomorrow was a huge red flag (LOL, it was my only day off for about a week). I told her asking to meet in public and telling her she was welcome to bring a friend should be the opposite of a red flag, LOL and she blocked me. I was equally impressed with her as I was about to block her. I just don't get what about wanting to meet in public at a restaurant and telling her to bring a witness screams threat to her. To be honest I considered it very insulting.

[QUOTE=Doug22;5030204]Has anyone had any success using Secret Benefits?[/QUOTE]Go to Advanced Search (top, right). Keywords: Secret Benefits. Search on Forum (s): Richmond. And you will find the reports here, including mine. Enjoy.

This question has come up multiple times over the years.

The answer is almost certainly fingerprinting.

That is, even if you change your IP address, delete cookies etc. a website, in this case SA, can still probably identify you!

How? Via "fingerprinting".

That is, your operating system version, plus screen size, plus browser type, and various other settings are all discoverable by every website you visit. On their own, they are commonplace, but taken together, they identify you. Maybe not absolutely uniquely, but good enough that it can be, and is, routinely used to identify website visitors.

Test it yourself at.

[URL]https://privacy.net/analyzer/[/URL]

So, to avoid this, SA users who have been banned should not only change IP address, delete all cookies, not use same photos, etc, but also take one or more of these actions:

- Change operating system or version.

- Change browser.

- Change browser window size and / or screen resolution.

- Other changes to settings.

Good luck out there!

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5030847]This question has come up multiple times over the years.

The answer is almost certainly fingerprinting.

That is, even if you change your IP address, delete cookies etc. a website, in this case SA, can still probably identify you!

How? Via "fingerprinting".

That is, your operating system version, plus screen size, plus browser type, and various other settings are all discoverable by every website you visit. On their own, they are commonplace, but taken together, they identify you. Maybe not absolutely uniquely, but good enough that it can be, and is, routinely used to identify website visitors.

Test it yourself at.

[URL]https://privacy.net/analyzer/[/URL]

So, to avoid this, SA users who have been banned should not only change IP address, delete all cookies, not use same photos, etc, but also take one or more of these actions:

- Change operating system or version.

- Change browser.

- Change browser window size and / or screen resolution.

- Other changes to settings.

Good luck out there![/QUOTE]Can you pay with a pre paid card? I've exhausted all my cards even using a friends. Figured they were flagging me for using my name on the card.

[QUOTE=SanchoMan;5030987]Can you pay with a pre paid card? I've exhausted all my cards even using a friends. Figured they were flagging me for using my name on the card.[/QUOTE]Go to Advanced Search (top, right). Keywords: prepaid. Search on Forum (s): Richmond. And you will find the reports here. Enjoy. This gets discussed over and over here and even just a few days / weeks ago. Learn to use the resources here, there is a wealth of info.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5030847]This question has come up multiple times over the years.

The answer is almost certainly fingerprinting.

That is, even if you change your IP address, delete cookies etc. a website, in this case SA, can still probably identify you!

How? Via "fingerprinting".

That is, your operating system version, plus screen size, plus browser type, and various other settings are all discoverable by every website you visit. On their own, they are commonplace, but taken together, they identify you. Maybe not absolutely uniquely, but good enough that it can be, and is, routinely used to identify website visitors.

Test it yourself at.

[URL]https://privacy.net/analyzer/[/URL]

So, to avoid this, SA users who have been banned should not only change IP address, delete all cookies, not use same photos, etc, but also take one or more of these actions:

- Change operating system or version.

- Change browser.

- Change browser window size and / or screen resolution.

- Other changes to settings.

Good luck out there![/QUOTE]Looks like another good reason to use a VPN or a VPN Browser or Onion. Better yet, only hobby on a hobby phone, to keep IRL compartmentalized away from hobby activities.

Now want to see where any of this "fingerprint" data has been successfully used in a court of law or to obtain warrants, etc. Got links?

Which sites are best to join, especially ones that are either free or you can pay with a pre-paid card.

Usually the hallmark of a scam, but started messaging one over the summer who turned out to be a VT student trying to keep things low profile since she is from a small town and did not think to list B'burg since she was not there when she made her profile.

5'9", slender, perfect C / Ds, great smile, killer ass.

Amazing skills. CG nearly melted my brain. Girl can really move.

So it pays to send a message or two to Va, VA gals to figure out if they are scammers or clueless.

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;5027225]I have seen her MANY times. Starting when she was 18, and relatively new to SA. I progressively paid her more than I did initially, because she will spend tons of time with you (if you want that) and will eventually do overnights without extra charge. Her face is better in person, though she does wear weird (goth-style) makeup. Always clean and smells great. Super-hot (though not petite) 19 yo body. She does BB whatever (hesitant with anal, though I have had it, gently of course) She definitely has an odd personality, and is NOT punctual. She has a pseudo-feminism vibe, and I just steer clear of anything upon which we disagree, because I am interested in the f*ing aspect of the relationship. She does not drive. I trailed of on seeing her because 1) she never is complimentary of thankful (not even in the false way a lot of SB can be) 2) She overestimates her intellect and value (which I find particularly difficult with which to deal 3) I have had her MANY times and a bit bored with it. All in all, IMO, she's a fairly good SB though a bit unusual. If you can tolerate the BS, it might be worth the chance. She will also just go to FC without any other time commitments, if that is your preference. Like all SB relationships (or any other relationship), I try to understand their personality profile and take advantage (manipulate) to get the most for my investment of time and money. I have seen her SA account, and as you would expect, has dozens of mongers / day vying for her charms. 4 $$ price point will usually get her attention, unless you were 'grandfathered' at 250. HAPPY MONGERING to all of you MONGERS![/QUOTE]Has anyone asked to see her I'd? When they are that young I get a little spooked.

Thanks and be safe!

It's been a little while since Covid lockdowns have ended so I've finally decided to pay for a membership and see what kind of results I yield.

I was wondering in general, how much do looks play a part on SA? I'm on the younger side, clean cut, but slightly overweight: (dad bod; some love handles) I don't think many men who post on here are bodybuilders or marathon runners, but I'm curious about it.

I'm mostly likely overthinking things, but it's hard for me to imagine a lot of attractive 20 somethings be so willing to fornicate with gpa who has a gut, or the balding middle aged guy.

[QUOTE=Gyxser70;5034112]It's been a little while since Covid lockdowns have ended so I've finally decided to pay for a membership and see what kind of results I yield.

I was wondering in general, how much do looks play a part on SA? I'm on the younger side, clean cut, but slightly overweight: (dad bod; some love handles) I don't think many men who post on here are bodybuilders or marathon runners, but I'm curious about it.

I'm mostly likely overthinking things, but it's hard for me to imagine a lot of attractive 20 somethings be so willing to fornicate with gpa who has a gut, or the balding middle aged guy.[/QUOTE]I think these two things are true: You're overthinking things and Looks matter more in the Bowl than they do elsewhere (when it comes to the overall sex worker game).

I've had some great times (at a lower cost of entry) because I am more aligned with who the women find attractive, I am fit, etc. But I also know the women are also selling to the highest bidder in times of need. If you're younger (and attractive) then you can probably have huge success in the bowl.

I'm in my 40s, look in my 30s, clean cut, with a dad body too. All the SBs I talk to said that age only plays a small factor to them picking a SD. Just they are more physical romantic in public with me, because they get less odd looks. I'm sure looks play a factor, but I think your money and not being creepy play a bigger role.

[QUOTE=Gyxser70;5034112]It's been a little while since Covid lockdowns have ended so I've finally decided to pay for a membership and see what kind of results I yield.

I was wondering in general, how much do looks play a part on SA? I'm on the younger side, clean cut, but slightly overweight: (dad bod; some love handles) I don't think many men who post on here are bodybuilders or marathon runners, but I'm curious about it.

I'm mostly likely overthinking things, but it's hard for me to imagine a lot of attractive 20 somethings be so willing to fornicate with gpa who has a gut, or the balding middle aged guy.[/QUOTE]

You're going to come across girls who think looks are important, but it hasn't been the norm in my experience. Yeah, maybe not guys who are super out of shape / overweight, but my impression is that more or less average guys are what these girls are expecting. Basically they want some cash and some excitement / experiences, and as long they feel safe and respected, they're willing to overlook the fact that you're not George Clooney.

[QUOTE=Gyxser70;5034112]It's been a little while since Covid lockdowns have ended so I've finally decided to pay for a membership and see what kind of results I yield.

I was wondering in general, how much do looks play a part on SA? I'm on the younger side, clean cut, but slightly overweight: (dad bod; some love handles) I don't think many men who post on here are bodybuilders or marathon runners, but I'm curious about it.

I'm mostly likely overthinking things, but it's hard for me to imagine a lot of attractive 20 somethings be so willing to fornicate with gpa who has a gut, or the balding middle aged guy.[/QUOTE]

Due to overwhelming demand. But not sharing link, so please don't ask.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5034721]Due to overwhelming demand. But not sharing link, so please don't ask.[/QUOTE]Ernest Li, may I ask what was her allowance request?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5034721]Due to overwhelming demand. But not sharing link, so please don't ask.[/QUOTE]That's a nice find. I've found one or two "double location" gems so I've always found them worth reaching out to.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5034773]Ernest Li, may I ask what was her allowance request?[/QUOTE]She was on her way back on Amtrak to B'burg, so I had her get off in Cville for a 24 hour layover.

Saw her at 9 AM, Noon, 2 & 4 before putting her on the evening train.

Most amazing CG I've ever experienced. 3rd input curious for future meetings.

$400 plus hotel (which I used again the morning after she left with soneone else), plus train ($19!

She doesn't have a car, and the train sked from 'noke to Cville is not convenient and she doesn't have a car.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5034721]Due to overwhelming demand. But not sharing link, so please don't ask.[/QUOTE]You realize that people can search for Virginia, Virginia and 5'9' right?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5034721]Due to overwhelming demand. But not sharing link, so please don't ask.[/QUOTE]Wow, she is a gem! And I completely understand your reluctance to share. Thanks for teasing us you ba $tard! LOL.

Been chatting with this girl. If she lived closer to me I'd just meet up with her, but as is I'm not ready to pull the trigger on a 2 plus hour drive.

She is DTF, hosts, but has a boyfriend who waits in the living room. This isn't unheard of. Been there done that. But I'm not going to drive all that way without some confirmation that I'm walking into a dicey situation. If it was 10 min down the road I'd totally roll the dice though.

Any experience?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d8c780ef-24c1-4f80-9829-62f45895f66f[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5034615]I'm in my 40s, look in my 30s, clean cut, with a dad body too. All the SBs I talk to said that age only plays a small factor to them picking a SD. Just they are more physical romantic in public with me, because they get less odd looks. I'm sure looks play a factor, but I think your money and not being creepy play a bigger role.[/QUOTE]I am like some guys you see on the sugar threads, like FyrGuy, I just got Medicare, am bald, and have a little limp. However, I am super nice to these girls and I know how to pick my shots. My best all-time SB I spent 6 months with, Playboy quality single mom w / 3 divorces in the rearview. Most of my successful scores have been w / girls who are definitely submissive (whether they say that right up front or only bloom in the FC). This is common on the site, so they're not that hard to find. The large age difference is a plus to them, it is more of a taboo. I have had several that were & #8531; my age. My allowance is 300-400 + I cover all other expenses, and I get girls little gifts so they don't feel like hoes (and I don't treat them that way either, except some do want to be called dirty little sluts). Gift cards (Sephora, Victorias Secret), bouquets, bottle of champagne for the FC, etc.

It's pretty easy to come up w / little activities (other than just regular fucking) that get girls who want a dominant guy revved up. I have to be careful as I have a SO, so I can't carry nunchucks around in my car.

Just curious what FC means. I've seen it a few times but haven't figured it out yet.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5034721]Due to overwhelming demand. But not sharing link, so please don't ask.[/QUOTE]Very very nice, well done Sir!

[QUOTE=ArtImperial;5034717]You're going to come across girls who think looks are important, but it hasn't been the norm in my experience. Yeah, maybe not guys who are super out of shape / overweight, but my impression is that more or less average guys are what these girls are expecting. Basically they want some cash and some excitement / experiences, and as long they feel safe and respected, they're willing to overlook the fact that you're not George Clooney.[/QUOTE]LOL so right. I'm 5'7 140 nothing. Ok looking at best. I make up for it with confidence and stamina LOL. These girls just want the $ and just good hygiene. Smell good with a Benjamin and your good.

Any info on this one? Fun size like I like 'them. Definitely DTF.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d5f14025-e831-45aa-922b-58fa79977ed3[/URL]

[QUOTE=Doug22;5035440]Just curious what FC means. I've seen it a few times but haven't figured it out yet.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, looks like someone needs a bit of 'education"? LOL.

This thread will teach more than you care to know about the sugar bowl! Post #2 has definitions!

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ/page2[/URL]

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5035607]LOL so right. I'm 5'7 140 nothing. Ok looking at best. I make up for it with confidence and stamina LOL. These girls just want the $ and just good hygiene. Smell good with a Benjamin and your good.[/QUOTE]You're right; I was overthinking it. I'll do just fine. Everything you said applies to me: good hygiene, smell good, I'm around 5'11", manverage LOL.

Thanks to the others who chimed in.

[QUOTE=Zerry;5035155]Been chatting with this girl. If she lived closer to me I'd just meet up with her, but as is I'm not ready to pull the trigger on a 2 plus hour drive.

She is DTF, hosts, but has a boyfriend who waits in the living room. This isn't unheard of. Been there done that. But I'm not going to drive all that way without some confirmation that I'm walking into a dicey situation. If it was 10 min down the road I'd totally roll the dice though.

Any experience?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d8c780ef-24c1-4f80-9829-62f45895f66f[/URL][/QUOTE]-- super cute pics, and privates basically her in a bikini.

Says she is a 1st year at UVA, but also says she is still in L'burg -- parents made her do all virtual so she never moved in to a dorm.

Profile says she has been on SA a couple of weeks, but also says she has slept withy 2 SDs.

Texting with me and never mentioned BF other than she is cheating on him and needs discretion, so why would he be in the room.

Its all possible, just seems rather unlikely.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8d5b1485-b1a6-4a6f-ab33-f5a7660ae11a[/URL]

Any progress?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5036455][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8d5b1485-b1a6-4a6f-ab33-f5a7660ae11a[/URL]

Any progress?[/QUOTE]Opened my messages but no response, maybe I'm not her type. LOL.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5036454]-- super cute pics, and privates basically her in a bikini.

Says she is a 1st year at UVA, but also says she is still in L'burg -- parents made her do all virtual so she never moved in to a dorm.

Profile says she has been on SA a couple of weeks, but also says she has slept withy 2 SDs.

Texting with me and never mentioned BF other than she is cheating on him and needs discretion, so why would he be in the room.

Its all possible, just seems rather unlikely.[/QUOTE]I've been texting her too. She 100% told me her boyfriend knows, and that he just hangs out in a different room. Told me the same thing about doing virtual school and having already fucked a couple sugar daddies.

Just in general, how much success does everyone have when it comes to talk down a price on a girl. I am starting to notice 2 different scenarios:

1) The girls has mild to major GPS and demands an amount that she read about in new articles or from that call her daddy podcast.

2) Girls who really have no idea what they are doing and also with one foot out the door on entire lifestyle.

Since we are all savy business negotiators, what has everyone's experiences been on getting the price down. I ve had mixed success. I am started off fairly tight about money but have slowly loosen up a bit. Mainly bc I noticed that a lot of SBs actually don't know how to say no. I think what's happening is they just will bookmark your off and just settle on the highest bidder with a mixture of other traits they like. Everyone else will end up getting dragged on as a possible backup or straight get ghosts even though an agreement was reached initially. How much success have everyone had with haggling prices? Is the fight even worth fighting for the long term?

I don't ask for a lower price unless it's crazy. To me it's not question about money. Its if she is worth it. If it's too high I just say sorry that's higher then market value. I would give her my price, and tell her if she interested let me know. If it's with in reason, but still a little high, I will negotiate service. I would ask her to host, that way I save on hotel expense. That's what I'm doing with 1 of my current SBs. If she can't host I would ask for to do all the weird sexual fetishes that I would like to try. Normally these SBs are not keepers. 1-3 dates just to do does fetishes. Thanks, to SBs I have done all my sexual fetishes that was on my bucket list. Well almost all, I haven't try a woman who is lactating. Want to try some milk, but just has a M&G with one today. She even brought her baby to the M&G and breast fed infront of me. Date set for next Thursday. Biggest sexual fantasy is to have a harem. I'm living that live now. 2020 blows, but sexual its been awesome for me.

[QUOTE=Gatsby804;5037794]Just in general, how much success does everyone have when it comes to talk down a price on a girl. I am starting to notice 2 different scenarios:

1) The girls has mild to major GPS and demands an amount that she read about in new articles or from that call her daddy podcast.

2) Girls who really have no idea what they are doing and also with one foot out the door on entire lifestyle.

Since we are all savy business negotiators, what has everyone's experiences been on getting the price down. I ve had mixed success. I am started off fairly tight about money but have slowly loosen up a bit. Mainly bc I noticed that a lot of SBs actually don't know how to say no. I think what's happening is they just will bookmark your off and just settle on the highest bidder with a mixture of other traits they like. Everyone else will end up getting dragged on as a possible backup or straight get ghosts even though an agreement was reached initially. How much success have everyone had with haggling prices? Is the fight even worth fighting for the long term?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gatsby804;5037794]Just in general, how much success does everyone have when it comes to talk down a price on a girl. I am starting to notice 2 different scenarios:

1) The girls has mild to major GPS and demands an amount that she read about in new articles or from that call her daddy podcast.

2) Girls who really have no idea what they are doing and also with one foot out the door on entire lifestyle.

Since we are all savy business negotiators, what has everyone's experiences been on getting the price down. I ve had mixed success. I am started off fairly tight about money but have slowly loosen up a bit. Mainly bc I noticed that a lot of SBs actually don't know how to say no. I think what's happening is they just will bookmark your off and just settle on the highest bidder with a mixture of other traits they like. Everyone else will end up getting dragged on as a possible backup or straight get ghosts even though an agreement was reached initially. How much success have everyone had with haggling prices? Is the fight even worth fighting for the long term?[/QUOTE]I lay out what I'm looking for -- I'm married, so its one public meeting for coffee or lunch, followed by (not always immediately) private time meetings going forward, meeting during bankers hours, has to be on in my home city (slim pickins in cville, but I don't travel for work, so theyd have to come here) either she hosts or is willing to book the room in her name, she if she is into anything kinky or not, then I ask what would be the "scholarship / rent subsidy / showcase showdown of cash and prizes" she would expect to join me in such an endeavor on a regular (2 xa month basis).

If they throw out a number, I weigh it against my existing stable of options and costs.

Sometimes they say, "I don't know, what are you offering?" and I usually say "$300" and wait for them to agree or counter. Sometimes Ill go higher (super hot, wants to be tied up and given anal, GND college type who's parents would die if they knew she liked getting railed by someone older than dad. Basic bucket list stuff).

When I travel out of town alone, I look for women up for a multi round slumber party, m but same process.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5038384]I don't ask for a lower price unless it's crazy. To me it's not question about money. Its if she is worth it. If it's too high I just say sorry that's higher then market value. I would give her my price, and tell her if she interested let me know. If it's with in reason, but still a little high, I will negotiate service. I would ask her to host, that way I save on hotel expense. That's what I'm doing with 1 of my current SBs. If she can't host I would ask for to do all the weird sexual fetishes that I would like to try. Normally these SBs are not keepers. 1-3 dates just to do does fetishes. Thanks, to SBs I have done all my sexual fetishes that was on my bucket list. Well almost all, I haven't try a woman who is lactating. Want to try some milk, but just has a M&G with one today. She even brought her baby to the M&G and breast fed infront of me. Date set for next Thursday. Biggest sexual fantasy is to have a harem. I'm living that live now. 2020 blows, but sexual its been awesome for me.[/QUOTE]I agree I don't haggle and I always say qv at first meeting and it's a loss I can handle if it sux however if she exceeds my expectations then I can always bump up. To me if you talk down then you gunna get talked down service with attitude. I'd rather pay more for a girl whose skills are subpar but makes up for it with enthusiasm then the opposite. Just me YMMV.

[QUOTE=Gatsby804;5037794]Just in general, how much success does everyone have when it comes to talk down a price on a girl. I am starting to notice 2 different scenarios:

1) The girls has mild to major GPS and demands an amount that she read about in new articles or from that call her daddy podcast.

2) Girls who really have no idea what they are doing and also with one foot out the door on entire lifestyle.

Since we are all savy business negotiators, what has everyone's experiences been on getting the price down. I ve had mixed success. I am started off fairly tight about money but have slowly loosen up a bit. Mainly bc I noticed that a lot of SBs actually don't know how to say no. I think what's happening is they just will bookmark your off and just settle on the highest bidder with a mixture of other traits they like. Everyone else will end up getting dragged on as a possible backup or straight get ghosts even though an agreement was reached initially. How much success have everyone had with haggling prices? Is the fight even worth fighting for the long term?[/QUOTE]Just don't!

If she's GPS don't counter, just thank her for her time and walk away. If it's close, just tell her your number and forget about her if it's not to her liking. There is nothing to be gained from protracted back and forth on numbers. This is those that like the non-pro, college girls. If you're dealing with a hardened pro then go ahead and treat it like you're haggling a piece of meat, in the end it won't matter.

On a general note, I'm floored by what some of you guys pay for pussy. Either you're desperate AF or something but paying 3-400 for a bland single mommy of 35yo is simply insane. Good god. For that amount she should be nothing less than a 21 yo, 100lbs hottie.