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I'm new to reading these post. Not new to game, but some of these post are really out there, can't believe how long some go, like short stories. LOL. I had a nice little 23 black sb, but she recently told me she is out of the game. She was good-fair, going to miss her, but ill find another no doubt. Well untill the next short story.
Hi guys,
I'm working with another baby who reached out wanting help. She said something that seemed odd to me so I wanted to run it by you all. She's apparently asking any Pot SD to have an STD testing (hers was done recently). While I think this is something that anyone who has multiple partners should do on their own, my opinion is that its a bit offputing for someone to require it of you.
Have any of you run across this before? What are you thoughts on it?
Thanks!
Mandy
Mandy,
Anyone who is having sex has to be aware of STD's. Are we always, absolutely positively certain what our sexual partners are doing when we are not looking? Maybe it has been my relationship history and what I have seen through my life. I assume all of my partners are having sex with others. The majority of the time I have been right!
My ECSB (East Coast Sugar Baby) requested STD testing before meeting with me. I agreed. When I could not get tested and the test results before our next meeting, I told her I was going to cancel the meeting. She, did not want me to cancel and we had a mini argument (over cancelling the meeting, not about the STD testing). Well we met. When time came to be intimate she requested that we use a condom. The issue has not been spoken about since.
The request did not bother me. But I've have gotten into arguments with SB's over safer sex issues that have resulted in us going our separate ways. My last argument went like this:
SB: I don't want to get a STD. Have you been tested recently?
Me: No, testing does not protect you.
SB: Well bring protection.
Me: Fine, condoms protect you, but not from all dangers. Did you want to go bare? If that is the case then I'll get tested.
SB: No, I don't put myself out there like that. You know you can get a STD from oral sex.
Me: Yes, you can get a STD from oral sex but the risk is reduced. You want use condoms for oral sex? If that is the case better have something to protect me if you want me to go down on you.
End of conversation. LOL!
What people do and what people should do are two different things. How many people text and drive? It comes down to absolute vs. Relative risk.
SubCmdr Out.
[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1505180]Hi guys,
I'm working with another baby who reached out wanting help. She said something that seemed odd to me so I wanted to run it by you all. She's apparently asking any Pot SD to have an STD testing (hers was done recently). While I think this is something that anyone who has multiple partners should do on their own, my opinion is that its a bit offputing for someone to require it of you.
Have any of you run across this before? What are you thoughts on it?
Thanks!
Mandy[/QUOTE]
If one of the partners is truley concerned about getting tested, I do not see the harm in it. From a guys standpoint, especially if it looks like it has a chance to be a really special and potentially long term relationship, there really aren't many downsides to getting tested. You can find a place to do it anonymously in virtually any city in the US. And you can even pick up an anonymous kit at a drug store and get your results online (for HIV anyway).
If that truley makes the baby more comfortable.
Don't forget that a baby who is more comfortable and more open with you = better sex!
[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1505180]Hi guys,
I'm working with another baby who reached out wanting help. She said something that seemed odd to me so I wanted to run it by you all. She's apparently asking any Pot SD to have an STD testing (hers was done recently). While I think this is something that anyone who has multiple partners should do on their own, my opinion is that its a bit offputing for someone to require it of you.
Have any of you run across this before? What are you thoughts on it?
Thanks!
Mandy[/QUOTE]I agree with the Commander; we all have our relative risk tolerances. That said, I would not be offended if a pot asked me to get tested. On the other hand, I would not necessarily ask (or require) a pot to do the same for me.
In the end, though, what proof does it provide? Unless the person tested is willing to give up personal info to the pot in order to verify the results, we still have to take each others' word for it, don't we? What value is a clean bill of health if I've blacked out my name, address, and other identifying information?
As always, play safe, whatever form that takes for you.
Regards,
Joe
My thoughts echo SubCmdr and Joe's.
It just depends on your relative risk tolerance. Though I never try to push my risk tolerance on an SB. Either she's comfortable with it or not. I may make a request, but I don't force the issue.
Personally I have my own little "secret sauce" of determining factors I use to dictate what form of protection to use (or not use). It's nothing really scientific but it's adequate for determining the acceptable risk I'm willing to take.
After all, nothing is risk free. STD tests have a 3-6 month lag time for common STDs like herpes. So a STD test is like a historical document that tells you what someone's health status was 6 months ago. Who knows what they've done since then and what they'll do next week. Also as Joe pointed out, it's not that hard to fake a STD test if someone is determined. Most people use fake names anyway in SD / SB relationships, so it's hard to know 100% if you're seeing the legit test unless both accompany each other to the clinic and give up very specific personal information.
So Mandy, your friend should obviously do what makes her feel safe. But at the same time, you should probably warn her not to get a false sense of security from getting pot SDs tested. Even assuming the test is legit, the pot SD may have been with 5-6 SBs (or 12-18+ SBs judging by some of the SDs on this board, LOL) in the last 6 months, which the test won't fully cover. Condoms also don't fully protect from skin contact STDs, which are the most common.
The fact is, sex with another human being is risky. There's no getting around it completely. It's why something like 30% of the population are carrying some kind of STD and don't even know it. But driving a car is also risky, especially on a rainy day, yet we keep on driving.
I think that if you're going to enter this lifestyle (SD or SB) , there's just some risks you're going to have to accept as the cost of doing business. If those risks are unacceptable to you, then you should stick to a monogamous "take it slow" relationship. Not open relationships and arrangements where people are having sex after the first or second date. Even a "monogamous" SD is having (infrequent) sex with his wife who could be having sex with the pool boy who is also having sex with a slutty college girl who had a three-way with 2 frat boys on a dare. You just don't know.
Having said that, the most severe STDs are treatable. Even HIV is no longer considered a death sentence and we're probably not too far away from an official cure. I think the most important thing isn't necessarily getting your SD or SB tested, but to get [b]yourself[/b] Tested. As long as you stay on top of it and manage your own health, you may have to take a few "timeouts" occasionally but you'll be fine in the long run. I think that's probably the best way to mediate against the inherent risks.
So I just renewed my SA membership after taking about a month off.
I hadn't met my Yogo SB in over 3 weeks due to schedule conflicts and it doesn't seem like our scheduling problems will be sorted out soon. And SB5 is becoming just too one-dimensional for my tastes. We had one really good conversation a few weeks ago, but now it's back to just weekly car hookups with very little conversation. There's only so much you can do in a small car (or maybe we just lack creativity) and we're not really developing any kind of connection, so I think I'm going to cut her loose. To her credit, she consistently txts me for the weekly meetup. However she doesn't seem to be 100% into it when we're fooling around. I like the SB to at least fake interest (that's part of the job of being a SB).
So yes, so I thought it was time few a new SB harvest. I noticed that SA now has a new background check that they're heavily promoting. Have you guys done this? Anyway this round of SA has already been more promising than the last. I actually got a couple of good Asian SB prospects this time around. I have a thing for Asian girls but they can be pretty elusive. Either they have unreasonable expectations or they get snatched up by high-rollers. But the two Asian SBs already want to meet, so we'll see how it goes.
I also posted a CL ad and got a couple of interesting prospects. What I like about CL is that it's a lot easier to cross-check them with Facebook. SA girls on the other hand tend to know how to keep the FB email addresses and such separate. From my experience at least.
If things manage to go well with one of the Asian SBs, then I'll probably just wipe the slate clean of other SBs, since a nice Asian SB is what I want right now and I'm willing to focus all my resources on her.
But so far it's been a nice late summer harvest. Now is a good time to get them before school starts up in about a month.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1507348]So I just renewed my SA membership after taking about a month off.
So yes, so I thought it was time few a new SB harvest. I noticed that SA now has a new background check that they're heavily promoting. Have you guys done this? Anyway this round of SA has already been more promising than the last.[/QUOTE]Yes SA has found another 'el-dorado' another $50 / person charge.
Only one mentioned it, my reply that she had not done it stopped her objections.
But only recreationally so, I promise.
I know that I announced my self-imposed timeout just a few weeks ago, but my e-mail inbox was filling up with SA message notifications from a long-dormant account. Of course, it was necessary to pay the membership fee to read them, and SA was running a monthly membership rate special. How fortuitous! [It is occasions like these where I really wish someone would invent a sarcasm font.]
Because a couple of the messages piqued my interest, I sucked it up and decided to dip my toe into the waters. With my timeout in mind, I decided to respond to just two. Both are 18, which I normally throw back, as I gravitate to the more mature fish. Both also live at home, and as I later discovered, neither drives. OK, I can handle a couple of complications, as long as we are willing to be discrete. Both agreed.
I met candidate #1 at a sushi place not far from her upper class suburban home. She is a total party girl, already having done time (10 days) and on probation for alcohol-related infractions. Hence, the lack of a driver's license. 90% of her stories about herself--and she does love to talk about herself--revolve around drinking, casual drug use, partying, or some combination of the three. She attends a private East-coast university and is just looking for someone to support her so she can quit her summertime fast food job. Mommy and Daddy are both lawyers but divorced, and daddy has essentially thrown her out of his house because of her criminal infractions.
The evening went ok, but in all honesty, all I really did was listen to blah-blah-probation-blah-blah-cocaine-blah-blah-drinking etc. while trying not to be too obvious about staring at her tits. She was appreciative that I sprang for dinner and gave her a ride home (saving her cab fare), though I haven't heard more from her, despite the obligatory post-date "I had a good time, let's do this again" text exchange. It may be due in part to the fact that I don't give sugar on a first date, and maybe she's found someone who does. I doubt I'll make too much of an effort to see her again, but if she wants to meet, I'm game. I'd love to look at those tits again, especially if it's while I'm pounding her into a mattress.
Candidate #2 is a bit of a wildcard. Tall, awesome body, with pink hair, two lower lip piercings, and "really into anime," whatever the Hell that means. But she is shy. I mean almost painfully shy. She barely looked me in the eye when I first met her. I finally got her to open up a bit when I suggested sushi for lunch, because apparently a love of all things Japanese goes hand in hand with the anime fetish. She has a quiet, almost "little girl" type of voice, and it took quite a bit of coaxing to even get a smile. But then we were off to the races. I think she had a good time, and I wished we could have talked longer, but I had to get to the office.
Here's the thing: She said she has another SD. I don't mind, and frankly, if there's some other dude who can keep her occupied when I can't (so that I don't get messages asking for "help" all the time), more power to her. But I wonder if she's like this with everyone . . .
So I decide to see her again today for a movie. It's funny; we've had some interesting conversations via text this week, but she barely looked me in the eye again. We had fun at the movie, and this time I gave her a little box of chocolates with $50 tucked inside because she mentioned last time that she needed new toner for her printer at home. She was very appreciative and said she wanted to get together again soon. I suggested private time, which she was ok with. Turns out all her other SD does is take her to a hotel, so she was surprised that I wanted to even go out. I said I was happy to do so, while at the same time I was silently thanking my lucky stars that she's ok with hotel dates, because that means she knows why we're both in this game. At least I hope it means she knows. We'll see, I guess. Part of me wonders if it's all just an act.
I guess you could say I'm cautiously intrigued by the anime chick with the pink hair. Opposites attract, I suppose. Other than that, it's been pretty quiet around here. I hope everyone else is enjoying the summer.
Regards,
Joe
[QUOTE=EuroInCincy;1507385]Yes SA has found another 'el-dorado' another $50 / person charge.[/QUOTE]Those were my thoughts exactly, Cincy! The way they're pushing it is creative, however. Warning you when you send an email that the person you're emailing isn't verified, and may not be who she says. I'm assuming the Babies get a similar warning.
On a related note, I just had the most interesting exchange with a pot SB. She's a stunning. 19 year old green-eyed redhead with a body to die for, if her pictures are accurate. I'd emailed her once through SA, over a month ago, and never heard back from her. She finally replies to say she's been out of the country with horrible internet access, but wants to know if I'm still interested. I reply that I am, and add some of the witty banter that women find so charming (as has been noted here before, I am slightly long-winded).
This, in part, is what I get in reply:
"Here is my phone number, xxx-xxx-xxxx.
If you'd like to, feel free to text me with your full name and maybe a picture so I can put a face to you.
(And you know, I have to do my fair share of google stalking to make sure you're not a. Well. Stalker. Haha! I'm sure you're not, but you can never be too careful)."
I wrote back to tell her I didn't share my real name, but she could have a picture once we had committed to meeting in person. I then got curious, since she was so concerned about google-stalking, and searched her number on Facebook.
Up pops her entire profile, with several of the photos she had used on SA, and her real name. Not only that, but she had no privacy settings on her account at all as far as I could tell. That is how I got her real email address. And found photos of her entire family. A google search gave me enough information to practically write her biography back to 5th grade (as well as her profile on a couple modeling websites; yes, she apparently is that hot).
I emailed her real address, using her real name, to tell her what I had found. I advised her to get a burner phone for "sugar" purposes, and suggested she strengthen her privacy settings on FB. I assumed this would freak her out and she'd never contact me again, which was fine with me because she obviously doesn't know the meaning of "discrete." Instead I got a reply email saying "thanks for letting me know all that. I didn't know you could find out so much about someone with just a phone number. Your honesty makes me feel as if I can trust you. I hope we get to meet soon."
I'm inclined to let this one go, as I have serious questions about her judgement and ability to be discrete. What about it, brother (and sister) sugar bowlers? Is she coocoo for Cocoa Puffs? What would you do?
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1508647]I met candidate #1 at a sushi place not far from her upper class suburban home. She is a total party girl, already having done time (10 days) and on probation for alcohol-related infractions. Hence, the lack of a driver's license. 90% of her stories about herself-and she does love to talk about herself-revolve around drinking, casual drug use, partying, or some combination of the three. She attends a private East-coast university and is just looking for someone to support her so she can quit her summertime fast food job. Mommy and Daddy are both lawyers but divorced, and daddy has essentially thrown her out of his house because of her criminal infractions.
The evening went ok, but in all honesty, all I really did was listen to blah-blah-probation-blah-blah-cocaine-blah-blah-drinking etc. While trying not to be too obvious about staring at her tits. She was appreciative that I sprang for dinner and gave her a ride home (saving her cab fare) , though I haven't heard more from her, despite the obligatory post-date "I had a good time, let's do this again" text exchange.
Candidate #2 is a bit of a wildcard. Tall, awesome body, with pink hair, two lower lip piercings, and "really into anime," whatever the Hell that means. But she is shy. I mean almost painfully shy. She barely looked me in the eye when I first met her. I finally got her to open up a bit when I suggested sushi for lunch, because apparently a love of all things Japanese goes hand in hand with the anime fetish. She has a quiet, almost "little girl" type of voice, and it took quite a bit of coaxing to even get a smile. But then we were off to the races. I think she had a good time, and I wished we could have talked longer, but I had to get to the office.
Here's the thing: She said she has another SD. Turns out all her other SD does is take her to a hotel, so she was surprised that I wanted to even go out. I said I was happy to do so, while at the same time I was silently thanking my lucky stars that she's ok with hotel dates, because that means she knows why we're both in this game. At least I hope it means she knows. We'll see, I guess. Part of me wonders if it's all just an act.
I guess you could say I'm cautiously intrigued by the anime chick with the pink hair. Opposites attract, I suppose.
Regards,
Joe[/QUOTE]My brother,
I think you have a classic Nando 1 on your hands with baby #1, despite the fact that you say she is from upper middle class stock. Ask yourself, how many people that you associate with on a regular basis have [I]done time[/I] for dui? That is some serious shit, and I for one would be paranoid about the devious and clever abilities of such a baby to suss out my true identity. Run, don't walk, my friend, and just keep the memory of her tits exactly where it is now. All is see is trouble, in all caps!
As for baby #2, my advice would be full speed ahead. I personally love the shy artistic types, because I feel they are completely the authentic deal. Be careful about pushing too hard on this one, but definitely do not second guess her shyness for anything more than that, shyness. You could potentially have a great thing on your hands, and the fact that she might already be comfortable with the Bowl can only work in your favor. I have been busy on my end stretching out my Sugar Muscles and reaquainting myself with the ups and downs of the pursuit, and one of the many things I am re-learning is that there are a ton of douche bags out there, and if we can be respectful, polite, gentle, somewhat humorous and not try to push on a string, unlimited rewards can be ours.
On another note, I am forcing myself to abide by my 48 hour gag rule, but believe me, my friends, I have tales to tell! If I may offer another acronym, there are no POTF (panites on the floor) just yet, but I am more than optimistic that my score will rise in the next few weeks.
As always, keep in touch,
Scott
[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd; 1508677]Those were my thoughts exactly, Cincy! The way they're pushing it is creative, however. Warning you when you send an email that the person you're emailing isn't verified, and may not be who she says. I'm assuming the Babies get a similar warning.
On a related note, I just had the most interesting exchange with a pot SB. She's a stunning. 19 year old green-eyed redhead with a body to die for, if her pictures are accurate. I'd emailed her once through SA, over a month ago, and never heard back from her. She finally replies to say she's been out of the country with horrible internet access, but wants to know if I'm still interested. I reply that I am, and add some of the witty banter that women find so charming (as has been noted here before, I am slightly long-winded).
This, in part, is what I get in reply:
"Here is my phone number, xxx-xxx-xxxx.
If you'd like to, feel free to text me with your full name and maybe a picture so I can put a face to you.
(And you know, I have to do my fair share of google stalking to make sure you're not a. Well. Stalker. Haha! I'm sure you're not, but you can never be too careful)."
I wrote back to tell her I didn't share my real name, but she could have a picture once we had committed to meeting in person. I then got curious, since she was so concerned about google-stalking, and searched her number on Facebook.
Up pops her entire profile, with several of the photos she had used on SA, and her real name. Not only that, but she had no privacy settings on her account at all as far as I could tell. That is how I got her real email address. And found photos of her entire family. A google search gave me enough information to practically write her biography back to 5th grade (as well as her profile on a couple modeling websites; yes, she apparently is that hot).
I emailed her real address, using her real name, to tell her what I had found. I advised her to get a burner phone for "sugar" purposes, and suggested she strengthen her privacy settings on FB. I assumed this would freak her out and she'd never contact me again, which was fine with me because she obviously doesn't know the meaning of "discrete." Instead I got a reply email saying "thanks for letting me know all that. I didn't know you could find out so much about someone with just a phone number. Your honesty makes me feel as if I can trust you. I hope we get to meet soon."
I'm inclined to let this one go, as I have serious questions about her judgement and ability to be discrete. What about it, brother (and sister) sugar bowlers? Is she coocoo for Cocoa Puffs? What would you do?[/QUOTE]I don't agree that her making her life an open book for all to find online means she can't be discreet. My first SB, still my ATF, was the same way. And she managed to be plenty discreet about our relationship. She just never gave a damn that everyone knew the other details of her life. To her everlasting credit, though, nobody ever saw anything about me on her FB, and trust me, I was watching like a hawk.
What does concern me about your pot is her asking outright for your personal info. Playing in the sugar bowl requires a certain amount of trust on both sides, something she apparently lacks.
I say: If you proceed, proceed cautiously.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1508709]My brother,
I think you have a classic Nando 1 on your hands with baby #1, despite the fact that you say she is from upper middle class stock. Ask yourself, how many people that you associate with on a regular basis have [I]done time[/I] For dui? That is some serious shit, and I for one would be paranoid about the devious and clever abilities of such a baby to suss out my true identity. Run, don't walk, my friend, and just keep the memory of her tits exactly where it is now. All is see is trouble, in all caps![/QUOTE]I guess this is another situation where the sarcasm font would have been handy. Well, it wasn't sarcasm per se, but the hope of seeing her again, or more specifically, her tits, was tongue in cheek. I've learned my lesson about Nando1s after my unemployed SB. And who ever heard of a Nando1 with money (or at least family money)!
Speaking of Nando, anyone heard from him lately?
For sugar babies under the age of 22 or so, I usually request to see their Facebook profile if I don't know it already. Most are willing to share it without issue since for most kids in their generation it's like exchanging a phone number.
I usually explain to them for someone in my position / situation, I just want to make sure they're not a psycho or anything. Indeed this is true and it helps me determine if I'm dealing with a "normal" person and I can keep tabs on their behavior.
It may sound hypocritical to request their full name and info without divulging ours. But the truth is, on the average us SDs have much more to lose from exposure than SBs. SDs don't have much to gain by blackmailing a SB without really exposing themselves in the process. SBs do have to worry about stalkers, but stalking is criminal behavior so if it gets serious a SB can always call the police and just say,"some guy I chatted with on the Internet started stalking me" and keep the SD / SB aspects hidden. Whereas for a SD if a SB starts to be "loose" with discretion, it's not really illegal yet it can be extremely problematic / catastrophic for the SD. And even if a SB does criminal behavior like blackmail, it's not always easy for a SD to go to the police without exposing his SD / SB activities.
Obviously trust is needed on both sides, but SDs do have more to lose on the average. So I try to have at least a little info on the SBs real identity. Besides, usually if you see a SB enough anyway she's going to find out some of your real info as well (stray credit card, hotel / dinner bill, car registration / insurance, and etc). Sometimes it can be as simple as cashier saying,"Thank you Mr. Smith for your purchase today".
So at the beginning, I think it's fair for us SDs to have more info on the SB. But be aware over time she will very likely find out your real identity. But by then hopefully you've established some trust or at least mutually assured destruction to keep things in check.
My West Coast ATF has requested more sugar. She is a hard working Nando1 in a financial bind. It's the first time she has done this to me. And it pisses me off! The request was for half of the amount she gets each session. I said no. That is one of my pet peeves. I don't ask her to put out for nothing. In addition, I'm back home. I prefer our mutual exchanges to occur in person and in cash. But I would like to know how you all handle the unscheduled sugar request?
SubCmdr out
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1509904]My West Coast ATF has requested more sugar. She is a hard working Nando1 in a financial bind. It's the first time she has done this to me. And it pisses me off! The request was for half of the amount she gets each session. I said no. That is one of my pet peeves. I don't ask her to put out for nothing. In addition, I'm back home. I prefer our mutual exchanges to occur in person and in cash. But I would like to know how you all handle the unscheduled sugar request?
SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]With ATF, I was totally pussy whipped, so I occasionally advanced funds. She was good about repaying in kind until recently. I have been assured of repayment on her most recent advance, though it remains to be seen whether she will come through.
Having learned my lesson the hard way, I am reluctant to do it again for her or anyone else. My mantra is don't loan it unless you can afford to lose it. Consider it a gift (but don't tell her that!) from the outset. Repayment is then a pleasant surprise.
More recently, I have grown a pair and told other girls,"Sorry. Can't help out that way, but I'm happy to meet for some private fun time if you want." That separates the players from the mere pretenders.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1509876]So at the beginning, I think it's fair for us SDs to have more info on the SB.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but if you want my full name and information then I want yours. While yes, an SD has a lot to loose, my safety is of the utmost importance and I will NOT jeopardize it. To prove someone is stalking you is not an easy thing. And that says a fake SD with very bad intentions is going to be placated at just stalking a girl and that she'll actually have a chance to contact the police instead of being raped, or worse...
While yes, there needs to be trust between an SD and SB I think it's perfectly fine for it to be gained simultaneously. As you build trust between each other, you can reveal more. Sorry, but I think requiring information you're not willing to divulge yourself just makes you a bit of a hypocrite. The fact is that we both are at extreme risk and neither is greater than the other.
BTW, This is a sensitive issue because a while back I learned that I had significant conversations with a Pot SD who turned out to be one of those fake guys with very bad intentions. For me, after a while something in my gut just wasn't right (part of that was because I couldn't verify anything he told me). He later popped up on a watch list with some significantly bad stories. I was lucky, others weren't.
And Dr, I don't think a girls inability to be smart and lock down her profile on FB means she can't be discrete. I'd question her intelligence level, but not her discretion.
Mandy
From the title, you might think I was talking about if SBs are escorts, but I am not. This is the reverse in fact.
Kimikoamore. Escortfiles com is a new Asian girl who just advertised on the Av. She is moving to C'ville, and is looking for clients in C'ville and Richmond. Claims to have a profession. Her in-call $ is more than her out-call $ (due to the additional cost of a high class hotel). Her rates are VERY high.
I almost look at her as more of an SB, and wonder if she should be told she is should revise her marketing plan.
Take a look at her site and see if you agree. Anybody seen her fishing on any of the SB sites already?
GW
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1510048]With ATF, I was totally pussy whipped, so I occasionally advanced funds. She was good about repaying in kind until recently. I have been assured of repayment on her most recent advance, though it remains to be seen whether she will come through.
Having learned my lesson the hard way, I am reluctant to do it again for her or anyone else. My mantra is don't loan it unless you can afford to lose it. Consider it a gift (but don't tell her that!) from the outset. Repayment is then a pleasant surprise.
More recently, I have grown a pair and told other girls,"Sorry. Can't help out that way, but I'm happy to meet for some private fun time if you want." That separates the players from the mere pretenders.[/QUOTE]I actually just recently gave a pot SB some funds to move back to my area from her parents. We've been corresponding for a couple of months and got along pretty well, but we never met. Then she recently went to move back with her parents and found herself in an abusive situation. She txt'ed me and she explained the situation somewhat. She didn't come out and directly ask for financial help, but clearly I could tell that was the goal of her contacting me. However, after hearing the situation I still offered to help her move out.
Some people might say I'm a sucker. A couple of things though: Since I had access to her Facebook page, I was able to verify certain elements of her story. For example, she clearly was getting depressed based off what she was posting and her friend's were also wondering what was going on. Also, since I had access to her FB page, I'd know if she really moved back or not.
But the main thing like Joe said, I basically considered the financial help a "gift". She promised to meet up with me when she got back in town, but my main concern was just her moving out. As long as she moved out, it was money well spent. And even if she didn't move out, I could afford to lose that money. If she ends up "repaying" me at some point that's great, but that wasn't the motivation for me this situation.
Clearly I'm not going to make it a habit to give money to women I've never met. But let's be honest, we've wasted a lot of money on this lifestyle. Hotels and gas on no-shows. Multiple M&Gs that end up never going anywhere and etc. Money completely down the toilet. So on the rare occasion depending on the situation, I may be willing to gamble a loss if it means truly helping out another human being. But obviously I have to be able to verify certain details and it's just a one-off help. If they keep hitting me up without any "repayment" toward their debt, then I'll cut-off communication.
As for unscheduled sugar request with my actual SB, yeah I'd be very careful with those. It's very easy to end up setting a routine by making it acceptable for the SB to make unscheduled sugar requests even for non-emergencies. But if it truly is an emergency and you make it clear this is the exception and not the rule, then it's really up to you.
A part of me feels a true SD should be able to help out his SB in emergencies without immediate sugar. But it's also true, some SBs can easily start harassing and taking advantage of their SD if they feel they can regularly get something for nothing.
[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1510154]Sorry, but if you want my full name and information then I want yours. While yes, an SD has a lot to loose, my safety is of the utmost importance and I will NOT jeopardize it. To prove someone is stalking you is not an easy thing. And that says a fake SD with very bad intentions is going to be placated at just stalking a girl and that she'll actually have a chance to contact the police instead of being raped, or worse.
While yes, there needs to be trust between an SD and SB I think it's perfectly fine for it to be gained simultaneously. As you build trust between each other, you can reveal more. Sorry, but I think requiring information you're not willing to divulge yourself just makes you a bit of a hypocrite. The fact is that we both are at extreme risk and neither is greater than the other.
Mandy[/QUOTE]You raise some fair points.
Both parties have to worry about those 2-5% who are psychos. I guess my point is that beyond the respective "psycho" demographics, a SD is more at risk even with a "normal" SB. In a moment of anger or desperation even a "normal" SB could cause major havoc to a SD by calling or showing up at his place or business. One phone call to a SD's house and a SB could destroy them. Whereas I couldn't cause that amount of personal destruction to my SB even if I knew all her personal information. Could I cause her some embarrassment? Sure, but nothing on the level of a divorce, losing half the assets, losing custody of kids, and being shunned by family and friends.
So I agree during the initial vetting phase, a SB has to be very careful for safety reasons and make sure the pot isn't a psycho. But once it's clear both parties aren't in the psycho demographic, the risk swings heavily back onto the SD, IMO. It's why it's imperative for the SD to always try to end the arrangement on good terms. Even a "normal" SB who leaves the arrangement angry or desperate is a major liability. So by knowing some of her personal information, it might allow us to head off a bad situation before it gets worse.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1511788]You raise some fair points.
Both parties have to worry about those 2-5% who are psychos. I guess my point is that beyond the respective "psycho" demographics, a SD is more at risk even with a "normal" SB. In a moment of anger or desperation even a "normal" SB could cause major havoc to a SD by calling or showing up at his place or business. One phone call to a SD's house and a SB could destroy them. Whereas I couldn't cause that amount of personal destruction to my SB even if I knew all her personal information. Could I cause her some embarrassment? Sure, but nothing on the level of a divorce, losing half the assets, losing custody of kids, and being shunned by family and friends.
So I agree during the initial vetting phase, a SB has to be very careful for safety reasons and make sure the pot isn't a psycho. But once it's clear both parties aren't in the psycho demographic, the risk swings heavily back onto the SD, IMO. It's why it's imperative for the SD to always try to end the arrangement on good terms. Even a "normal" SB who leaves the arrangement angry or desperate is a major liability. So by knowing some of her personal information, it might allow us to head off a bad situation before it gets worse.[/QUOTE]John, I agree with you about how things ought to be. The world turns according to how things are. The more times you meet the more opportunity there is for you to become a made man. I think the risk is a geometric progression. That second time doubles the risk, the third time triples the risk, however the math works out with a multiplier, you get the point. It takes one piece of paper from a transaction at dinner or whatever. One license plate. Something dropped on the floor. Maybe just a pretty face appearing to the hotel desk clerk asking for a favor. If she wants to put it together, if she is curious and smart, if she has a plan or if she gets mad she will. With the internet and a little information this isn't rocket surgery.
Hi Friends.old and new!
Well, I have been on a seriously depressing ride since I was outed 2 months ago. To recap, W found my secret phone and in order to avoid an atomic meltdown I had to "fess up".well as much as I had to to get her to back down from the uber investigation that was looming. I was (am) seriously in love with my 24 yr old HCB and continued to see her against all odds of success for the long haul. I am on the 15 th month of our biweekly affair and alas it came to an end last night. My W has been amazingly willing to try to work things out and in spite of my reluctance to work on the marriage she has so far been a serious pain (understandable) to live with. Last night I had an overnight with my Baby and halfway through festivities got a call and texts with the dreaded "where are you ", etc. I had "THE TALK" with my Baby about her intentions hoping that she has changed her mind and now can't see life without me, but guess what? She cried buckets but said that I am just too old for her (40 yrs) and she just can't see us going the distance. I get it although she provides me with such an amazing real life love interaction that I truly believe.as she says.that she does love me but is a lot more practical than I re: the future. I am heart broken. But.life goes on and I will slowly feel less pain as the months pass. I can only imagine what my W is feeling so turn about is fair play I guess.
SO.The take home message that I have for you guys (and girl) is nothing that many of you haven't already espoused and followed, but sensitive emotional types like me and several others (Scotty, Golf) want to have a love relationship and watch out what you wish for. My emotional ties to my Baby led to my discovery since 2ce / weekly overnights are hard to hide for ever. A couple of hours here and there are so much easier to explain away.
1) don't become E-Involved
2) limit exposure to easily explainable hours
3) If you are looking for E- Involvement, especially for you unmarried guys date girls in an age range that is reasonable for a long term girlfriend. Actually, most of you don't want that anyway.
I don't know what the future holds for the survival of my marriage but I hope I can rejuvenate that feeling of caring and love for my W, for if I can't I will divorce and move on. The problem is.I no longer find 40 plus yr old women attractive so in order to get 20 somethings to date you have to start through the SD sites. I got very lucky with my Baby in getting an amazingly beautiful, smart, educated, , non greedy girl. We had a wonderful loving relationship that was real for over 15 months, and I consider myself lucky to have experienced what many never do. She wasn't the best in bed compared to many in my multifucking days but it showed me that love conquers all and that it is the caring for that person that makes the difference.
Good luck all and guard that secret phone Nando
[QUOTE=Hernando;1512252]Edit Delete The take home message that I have for you guys (and girl) is nothing that many of you haven't already espoused and followed, but sensitive emotional types like me and several others (Scotty, Golf) want to have a love relationship and watch out what you wish for. Edit Delete[/QUOTE]Scott and I see eye to eye on a lot of things but not on this one. Scott is certainly in Nando's camp, or the camp Nando was in before being disappointed recently, and Scott may still be there, although that is not totally clear at this point, we may hear more from Scott about this, but I've written extensively from the start that emotional attachment in the context of pay for play is ill advised. I've also written extensively that a pay for play relationship is doomed and has no chance where there is a father / daughter or father / grandaughter age difference. I used the illustration that when she has to look forward 30 or 40 years to see us she sees what we would see were we to look at a woman 30 or 40 years our senior. I don't think I have posted this but we also need to stay on the same side of the railroad tracks when it comes to cultural differences. There are bounaries money cannot cross. It's all about Mother Nature.
Hi Hernando, I feel you for and your situation. I'm a bit younger than some of you guys, so it's making me think if I should push for a divorce sooner than later as painful as it might be. Right now, I'm just 7-12 years older than most of the SBs I meet. So if I got E-involved, it would be possible to have a real long-term serious relationship with a PYT because the age and cultural gap isn't insurmountable. In certain other countries, women actually seek out much older men for their financial stability and wisdom. But here in America, a 10-15 year age gap is basically the absolute max many women will accept for a legit long-term relationship. Again the more money you have, the more lavish your lifestyle, the more you'll be able to push the age gap, but it ends up becoming socially awkward in our society.
Anyway I hope you pull through Hernando. But I got a question for you, how did you manage two overnights per week with your SB without immediately raising flags with your SO? Were you sneaking out and coming back before your SO knew you were gone? The reason I ask is that I sometimes go out at night as well but I'm usually never gone for more than a couple of hours. Also I already established a routine of taking night-time drives to clear my mind (I enjoy driving on southern California freeways when they are completely empty).
But since I work at home, it's really hard for me to be gone for more than a couple of hours without it being noticed. So I'm always looking for ways to extend my "free-time", though I like to always have an alibi, so if I do get the dreaded "where are you?" I can explain it easily and get back to the house within a reasonable time.
Also ditch the secret phone and get Google Voice. You can forward your GV calls / txt to your regular phone, but the calls don't show up as regular numbers on your bill. You can also easily stop forwarding calls / txt to your phone, so you can control when you're available for contact. But my favorite feature is being able to txt through the GV website. I can literally txt with my SB for hours, but it just looks like I'm making a forum post or something. Way better than having my SO see me txting on the phone or having to sneak into the bathroom all the time. And finally, you can easily block numbers / contacts. If you have a Nando1 harassing you, you can just block them without having to get a totally new number. GV is heaven sent for SDs. That said, it does take a little time to get a full handle of the GV phone app and settings. You do need to be careful because if you're careless you could accidentally call your SO with your GV number. That's pretty much the only way you'll get caught because there isn't a physical GV phone for your SO to find. And at the first hint of trouble, you can just erase your entire GV info with their webtool.
Nando,
We are all just a phone call or misplaced receipt away from being in your shoes right now, so it's easy to sympthasize with your situation. My W of almost 40 years would already have me out of the house and be looking for the lawyer, so I try to be extra careful with my current roster of SBs. But it only takes one slip to screw it all up.
For others out there trying to stay under the W's radar, I agree with John that Google Voice is by far the best option. I was just out of the country with the W over the past few weeks and had to disable my cell due to no international plan. I was still able to stay in touch with my SBs through the hotel wireless connections and Google Voice. The txts were enough to keep me sane on what could have been a long week without SB contact.
I was even able to get a number assigned that was real close to my real cell number. It's so easy to use, my W has no idea what I am doing when I'm txting back and forth with the SB. Sometimes even in the car right beside her.
Stay safe and keep up the good posts all.
I am CONSIDERING doing something, and can think of no better place to air it than this forum. I'm considering hiring a legitimate assistant with "Benefits for bonuses." Have any of you gentlemen tried this, and with what result?
Dear John
Thanks for your thoughts. Age is a funny thing. I am lucky to appear a lot younger than my age.probably 45 to 52 as I am told vs my real age 63. Never the less, for an early 20 something even 40 is old. We were out all the time in public but when she had to consider bringing gramps into her circle of friends / family she was clear that it wasn't happening.
Divorce If you are unhappy in your relationship with W I would recommend divorcing sooner than later and moving on John. You are young and depending on your finances you will have many years to recoup your loss. At my age my earning power is limited by time and demand. A divorce would decimate me, but what price happiness? Most of us here who are married are not happily married (no secret there) We are all trying to have our cake and eat it too.right? That mouthful will turn into a bitter pill eventually.
Overnights I have a job that requires me to travel for a day or two at a time, so it was easy to continue my schedule without raising suspicion. In the end she was suspicious and did not want to find out the truth that she suspected. She would have eventually done the private eye thing anyway. As was said earlier all it takes is a little slip here, a receipt there, to raise the bar.
GV is a good suggestion but I am tech challenged and just relied on the old tried and true phone. If it wasn't that it would be something else.
Short visits Are probably the hardest to detect because most of us have reasons to be off the radar for a few hours here and there. What made my affair so real were the nights together. We would go out for dinner, eat in, make love, then read together or watch TV like real people. It wasn't all about the hooker thing of racing into the notel, fucking our brains out, then going home to momma. That is a clear cut hooker / john scenario and is great if sex is all you are looking for. But in the end call it what it is anyway These relationships are call girl / john affairs. The blog at Seeking Arrangements is interesting if you have never gone on there. The girls protesteth too much about how they are not hookers even though they are accepting money in return for sex. I certainly don't like to think of my Baby as a hooker but she is still taking care of my needs in return for a generous allowance. So what is she? A wife? Haha.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1513031]Dear John
Thanks for your thoughts. Age is a funny thing. I am lucky to appear a lot younger than my age. Probably 45 to 52 as I am told vs my real age 63. Never the less, for an early 20 something even 40 is old. We were out all the time in public but when she had to consider bringing gramps into her circle of friends / family she was clear that it wasn't happening.
Divorce If you are unhappy in your relationship with W I would recommend divorcing sooner than later and moving on John. You are young and depending on your finances you will have many years to recoup your loss. At my age my earning power is limited by time and demand. A divorce would decimate me, but what price happiness? Most of us here who are married are not happily married (no secret there) We are all trying to have our cake and eat it too. Right? That mouthful will turn into a bitter pill eventually.
Overnights I have a job that requires me to travel for a day or two at a time, so it was easy to continue my schedule without raising suspicion. In the end she was suspicious and did not want to find out the truth that she suspected. She would have eventually done the private eye thing anyway. As was said earlier all it takes is a little slip here, a receipt there, to raise the bar.
GV is a good suggestion but I am tech challenged and just relied on the old tried and true phone. If it wasn't that it would be something else.
Short visits Are probably the hardest to detect because most of us have reasons to be off the radar for a few hours here and there. What made my affair so real were the nights together. We would go out for dinner, eat in, make love, then read together or watch TV like real people. It wasn't all about the hooker thing of racing into the notel, fucking our brains out, then going home to momma. That is a clear cut hooker / john scenario and is great if sex is all you are looking for. But in the end call it what it is anyway These relationships are call girl / john affairs. The blog at Seeking Arrangements is interesting if you have never gone on there. The girls protesteth too much about how they are not hookers even though they are accepting money in return for sex. I certainly don't like to think of my Baby as a hooker but she is still taking care of my needs in return for a generous allowance. So what is she? A wife? Haha.[/QUOTE]Welcome back, Nando. I was starting to wonder if we'd ever hear from you again. Your post a couple months ago was a wake-up call for me, as I'm sure it was for many others. My wife, too, was having nagging suspicions. She never really articulated it, but I could tell she sensed something was amiss. So I decided to significantly curtail my activity. And just in time, too: She suddenly has taken a very active interest in the family finances. Had I not put a stop to my more obvious expenditures, I would have had some serious explaining to do. At this point, I can make do with a little bookkeeping slight of hand (nothing nefarious, just reclassifying my meager expenses).
I don't think I would have been as lucky as you, though. She would have exploded, and the resulting boom would have taken me out, I'm sure. I don't think our marriage would survive her finding out what I've been up to. And even though I am young (mid-30s) , we are so financially intertwined, and frankly, she makes more money, that I would be devastated financially. So it is best that I keep things simple and low-key from now on.
This is not to say that I stay with her only for the security or the money. When I seriously considered leaving last summer, I made a mental list-you know, the old pros and cons. And I was a bit surprised that the pros significantly outweighed the cons. I didn't think I was happy. But going through the exercise made me think about how luck I really am. What are the odds I'd find all of this in someone else? What if I *couldn't* find all of this in someone else? So I stayed, and I don't regret it.
Still, our relationship obviously is missing something I crave, so I'm out there playing in the sugar bowl. I struggle with this constantly. Is there a way to fix things at home? I guess the answer is "maybe," but neither of us seems interested in investing the effort to find out. Perhaps someday.
I hope things work out for you, one way or another, soon.
[QUOTE=NiceGuy804;1513018]I am CONSIDERING doing something, and can think of no better place to air it than this forum. I'm considering hiring a legitimate assistant with "Benefits for bonuses." Have any of you gentlemen tried this, and with what result?[/QUOTE]To be honest, the *only* way I see this working at all is if you are talking about a *personal* assistant, unconnected with any company or corporation, *and* you offer the "job" to an existing SB as an additional benefit for *her, *and* you trust her a whole bunch. Even then, given the laws concerning sexual harassment in employment, you're opening yourself up for a criminal prosecution *and* a civil lawsuit later on if things go sour.
If you're working for a company and thinking about hiring a secretary or assistant there, forget it. If HR finds out, you're in the same sexual harassment boat, even *if* you and her are OK with it. The "beauty" of the harassment laws is that they can also be used by other, ostensibly unaffected employees, against you if they can make the case that others are being slighted in favor of your "assistant with benefits."
You could lose your job, and even make it harder to find another one if the details become public. Your current company might not reveal the circumstances of your termination, but they would be within their rights to do so if the case becomes criminal.
That completely ignores the possibility that if you are going to hire this person, you have to provide your real name on the paychecks, plus be responsible for all the taxes, FICA, etc.
[noparse]/[/noparse]z
As I've stated on this forum once before, I'm not a big-time player in the SD game. I have made small forays into it over the years with mixed results. I think I realized that I was too much of a soft-hearted sucker to profit from the SD-SB arrangement. In time, I also realized that I didn't have the sexual stamina and availability to get my money's worth out of the arrangement even where the SB was fully willing. But then, those may be my unique shortcomings.
Nevertheless, I did learn a few things. The main thing I learned is that this is supposed to be a hobby, right? It's supposed to be something that we pursue peripherally to our main focuses in life like family, work, love, enlightenment, etc. We're not supposed to become enraptured in the hobby to the detriment of other, more important life pursuits. We're not supposed to fall in love with women who we pay to spend time with us. We're not supposed to want to love someone that we have to pay to be with us. You know, we do "pay" them to tell us how ageless we look and act, how beautifully we make love, how great listeners we are, how thoughtful we are, how much of an aswer to their prayers we are. And we "pay" them to dress like a princess and fuck like a freak. We "pay" them to remember our birthdays when the SO doesn't. We "pay" them to kiss us long and passionately like we are the only men they could ever love. We "pay" them to thoughtfully surprise us with a wine and cheese picnic getaway after a tough week at work. In short, we pay them to be good / great actresses.
For the most part, they don't forget that they are in the "business" of acting out a particular man's romantic fantasy. We shouldn't forget that we are in the "business" of paying these women to be "lovable." But those of us who can't play and pay without actually falling in love are in for miserably disappointing and unfulfilled lives for as long as we stay in the SD game.
[QUOTE=Max999; 1513505]As I've stated on this forum once before, I'm not a big-time player in the SD game. I have made small forays into it over the years with mixed results. I think I realized that I was too much of a soft-hearted sucker to profit from the SD-SB arrangement. In time, I also realized that I didn't have the sexual stamina and availability to get my money's worth out of the arrangement even where the SB was fully willing. But then, those may be my unique shortcomings.
Nevertheless, I did learn a few things. The main thing I learned is that this is supposed to be a hobby, right? It's supposed to be something that we pursue peripherally to our main focuses in life like family, work, love, enlightenment, etc. We're not supposed to become enraptured in the hobby to the detriment of other, more important life pursuits. We're not supposed to fall in love with women who we pay to spend time with us. We're not supposed to want to love someone that we have to pay to be with us. You know, we do "pay" them to tell us how ageless we look and act, how beautifully we make love, how great listeners we are, how thoughtful we are, how much of an aswer to their prayers we are. And we "pay" them to dress like a princess and fuck like a freak. We "pay" them to remember our birthdays when the SO doesn't. We "pay" them to kiss us long and passionately like we are the only men they could ever love. We "pay" them to thoughtfully surprise us with a wine and cheese picnic getaway after a tough week at work. In short, we pay them to be good / great actresses.
For the most part, they don't forget that they are in the "business" of acting out a particular man's romantic fantasy. We shouldn't forget that we are in the "business" of paying these women to be "lovable." But those of us who can't play and pay without actually falling in love are in for miserably disappointing and unfulfilled lives for as long as we stay in the SD game.[/QUOTE]Well said. I am one of the guys who gets sucked in emotionally, though I am trying to change my stripes. I think some of the guys who are lucky enough to be with girls to whom they give little (or even no) allowance may quibble with this a bit, but even then, I think the basic message is important to take to heart: Whatever your situation, make sure nobody is taking advantage of you.
[QUOTE=Zomby; 1513383]To be honest, the *only* way I see this working at all is if you are talking about a *personal* assistant, unconnected with any company or corporation, *and* you offer the "job" to an existing SB as an additional benefit for *her, *and* you trust her a whole bunch. Even then, given the laws concerning sexual harassment in employment, you're opening yourself up for a criminal prosecution *and* a civil lawsuit later on if things go sour.
If you're working for a company and thinking about hiring a secretary or assistant there, forget it. If HR finds out, you're in the same sexual harassment boat, even *if* you and her are OK with it. The "beauty" of the harassment laws is that they can also be used by other, ostensibly unaffected employees, against you if they can make the case that others are being slighted in favor of your "assistant with benefits."
You could lose your job, and even make it harder to find another one if the details become public. Your current company might not reveal the circumstances of your termination, but they would be within their rights to do so if the case becomes criminal.
That completely ignores the possibility that if you are going to hire this person, you have to provide your real name on the paychecks, plus be responsible for all the taxes, FICA, etc.
[noparse]/[/noparse]z[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NiceGuy804;1513018]I am CONSIDERING doing something, and can think of no better place to air it than this forum. I'm considering hiring a legitimate assistant with "Benefits for bonuses." Have any of you gentlemen tried this, and with what result?[/QUOTE]I'm with Zomby on this one. Even if you are self-employed, have no other employees, and both you and the girl are in on the "job description," YOU are shouldering all the personal risk here. What if the relationship goes south? What if she convinces some authority figure (and God help you if she hires a lawyer) that her "mean, disgusting boss demands sex all the time"? It's your word against hers, because you definitely don't want to put your arrangement in writing.
Add to this the other obstacles that Z points out, plus workers comp, insurance, and the like.
You are better off, as he notes, in throwing a few extra bucks to an existing SB to work as an occasional independent contractor, maybe providing cleaning services, filing services, etc. Nothing substantial, and nothing on a regular basis. WAY too many risks here.
[QUOTE=NiceGuy804;1513018]I am CONSIDERING doing something, and can think of no better place to air it than this forum. I'm considering hiring a legitimate assistant with "Benefits for bonuses." Have any of you gentlemen tried this, and with what result?[/QUOTE]She said,"I don't go fishing off the same dock I work at." Sage advice.
[QUOTE=Hernando;1513031]The girls protesteth too much about how they are not hookers even though they are accepting money in return for sex. I certainly don't like to think of my Baby as a hooker but she is still taking care of my needs in return for a generous allowance. So what is she? A wife? Haha.[/QUOTE]Does it matter? Why not simply enjoy a woman within reasonable limits and not worry about it? There's something somewhere about moderation being a virtue and somewhere else about pigs getting slaughtered. It's when the thing gets out of hand that it gets out of hand.
The board has been on a swing for a long time supporting one bad idea after another. It reminded me of no limits poker. Now, all of a sudden a few of us have had it blow up in our face. And this comes as a surprise.
Things are okay in moderation with eyes wide open.
Great to hear from you again Nando. So sorry things are over with your ATF. As sucky as the whole situation is at least this gives you the opportunity to start working on patching things up at home, from my limited knowledge of your situation it sounds like mending the home relationship is probably the better long term solution for you than divorce. But in any case, thanks for coming back here. Your perspective is certainly valuable to us.
As I said before, you could (and should) write a book someday.
As for me, I've been busy! Busy busy busy!
I am holding off on making a post until panties are confirmed grounded. However that doesn't mean panties have not been hitting the floor in my world. Legally Blonde is consistently blowing my mind (among other things) on a weekly basis now, and is just getting dirtier & dirtier with me each time. Hopefully I'll have an update with new conquests soon.
Be safe & have fun all.
The target, as noted in an earlier post, is an 18 year old student with a bit of an anime / cosplay fetish. If you're anything like me, you'll have to look up those terms. We've had two M&Gs to date; one over sushi and one at a movie. I provided nominal sugar at the second, because she had previously mentioned a need for replacement printer ink in order to finish a project. She very much appreciated the gesture and was eager to meet again.
She has another SD, whom she has been seeing for a couple months. He is OK with her seeing other guys, as am I, because neither of us has the time to give her the support or attention she wants. If I ever meet the guy, I owe him a beer, because he has done a great job of showing her the sugar bowl ropes.
I figured I would try to close the deal last night with dinner and a relaxing evening at a local hotel. Dinner was nice. Although she is very shy, she is starting to open up to me. In fact, I learned quite a bit about her life and her time with "Bizarro George" (as I'll call the other guy). We both had a good time.
We retired to the hotel, where she showed me a few websites that helped explain her hobby. It was interesting, but to be honest, I was concerned about time, as I couldn't stay out too late. I finally just asked if I could kiss her, and after a bit, we made our way to the bed.
Long story short: Fabulous 18-year-old body. A bit inexperienced, but she has the basics down and seems willing to take direction. I'm usually one and done, but she asked-no, insisted-we go for three rounds. In the end, it was clear we both enjoyed ourselves.
Finally, she was grateful for my sugar, which was less than half of what I was providing to the last SB, and if you take into account the CPO formula, then it's approaching ridiculously low levels. This one's a keeper.
Enjoy the weekend, friends. I know I will.
Regards,
Joe
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1515541]Finally, she was grateful for my sugar, which was less than half of what I was providing to the last SB, and if you take into account the CPO formula, then it's approaching ridiculously low levels. This one's a keeper.
Regards,
Joe[/QUOTE]Joe,
It is great to hear that you are keeping your CPO low. With all this talk about E involvement it is nice to know there are others who recognize we are just in another trading pit; working hard; watching the bid / ask price and closing closing the deal when the price is right.
Panties on the floor; legs in the air; face down & ass up. Just keep pounding that nasty thing into the mattress. Get in; Get off; and get home. No need to make things complicated.
Update: I rolled over like a cheap SUV and sent West Coast SB some sugar. The pussy is just too good! And even with the little extra sugar I am still keeping my CPO low. I consider it portfoilo (I. E. Pussy) insurance or like a (pussy) futures contract. It will either pay off or I'll lose my entire investment.
SubCmdr out
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1517034]Joe,
It is great to hear that you are keeping your CPO low. With all this talk about E involvement it is nice to know there are others who recognize we are just in another trading pit; working hard; watching the bid / ask price and closing closing the deal when the price is right.
Panties on the floor; legs in the air; face down & ass up. Just keep pounding that nasty thing into the mattress. Get in; Get off; and get home. No need to make things complicated.
Update: I rolled over like a cheap SUV and sent West Coast SB some sugar. The pussy is just too good! And even with the little extra sugar I am still keeping my CPO low. I consider it portfoilo (I. E. Pussy) insurance or like a (pussy) futures contract. It will either pay off or I'll lose my entire investment.
SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]The futures contract analogy is apt. As I've noted, I've dabbled in the futures market from time to time. As I'm sure you know, pussy is a fickle commodity. And I mean "commodity" literally; although we like to think one is different from another, in the end, they're almost indistinguishable. Sorry to be so blunt, and I mean no disrespect to anyone, but most of us aren't looking for a LTR relationship here (or we've learned our lesson about doing so).
You may recall that I made an investment in ATF, and I have yet to see any possibility of repayment on that contract. In fact, my broker appears to be ignoring my calls. I am *this close* to declaring it a complete loss and moving on. Here's to hoping you have better luck. But keep in mind that it rarely pays to "double down" on your investment, especially in a sinking market.
I've been running silent, running deep and running hard. Operating outside of my usual patrol area I have found these new waters to be a target rich environment and have exceptional success deploying my WPAD.
My new orders sent me under the polar cap into the waters off the coast of southern California. My assignment: perform a recon of Southern California to determine suitable targets for WPAD deployment. This is one of my reports.
I come ashore at the port of San Diego and I'm met by Pot SDSB1. AA, light skin. 23, 5'5', smoking hot body, gorgeous eyes, a very exotic look. Jump in her car and we head off to dinner. Have a wonderful dinner together during dinner I learn that she has some Asian in her explaining her most unique looks. After dinner I ask her to give me a ride and she agrees to drop me off at my center for west coast operations. During the drive I learn that she has never had a SD but is very interested in the sugar world. She said that her circle of friends all have them. She said that is a very accepted lifestyle choice in the southern California area. And everyone she knows is very open about it. In fact she has been around her friends SD's before and they are mostly pretty cool guys. She also informed me that some of them make their entire living in the sugar world. She indicated that would not work for her because she doesn't want to be controlled and is much more interested in the chemistry that she shares with someone and wants to consider the sugar a bonus. Well that is just what I want to hear. I'm thinking we share some chemistry so mentally I've already got her ankles up on my shoulders. When we arrive at my base of operations, I invite her in for a debriefing. But, she declines my request to add her panties to my collection. I slip her some sugar to thank her for the ride and she heads off into the night. We exchange many positive texts. It is most unfortunate that our schedules failed to line up. We never meet again.
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LOL You always crack me up man."WPAD"? I think I may have missed that one, can you translate?
Fabulous news on your new hunting grounds! I lived in southern Orange County for a while years ago, I only wish I knew of this lifestyle when I was located out there.
I hope to have a better update soon, but Midwest babies remain fickle and extraordinarily hard to get the deal closed! That is not to say panties have not been dropping in my world, (and in some cases I've had dates in which there have been no panties to drop). I've just not yet been able to have an opportunity to extend my generosity to more than my regular at this point in time.
GL with your Pacific campaign!
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1517730]I've been running silent, running deep and running hard. Operating outside of my usual patrol area I have found these new waters to be a target rich environment and have exceptional success deploying my WPAD.[/QUOTE]