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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20161003/news/161009731/[/URL]
If the link doesn't work again (tried to fix it), there's a Lake County Daily Herald article about her getting busted.
) :[/QUOTE]Could be the reason Cozy is closed up. If the heat is on, sometimes the spa owners think it is better to close up and wait for things to cool down. Can't raid a spa that is not open.
Anyone been to Gem Spa in Mundelein.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;3098794][URL]
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20161003/news/161009731/[/URL]
If the link doesn't work again (tried to fix it), there's a Lake County Daily Herald article about her getting busted.
) :[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20161003/news/161009731/[/URL]
I've been going to a place in Northbrook that's a emp. 2 girls work out of the same place. Both are ok in looks and both are so so with their massage skills. The blonde one is older but doesn't drive a hard bargain for a he, her looks are about a solid 7 imo. The brunette is a bit of a hustler, I over paid by a 20 for a typical he, her looks are also a 7 imo. Wasn't thinking with the right head. They both advertise on BP under different numbers. I have kept going to see the blonde as she gives more of a better finish.
[QUOTE=CruisingY;3099463]Anyone been to Gem Spa in Mundelein.[/QUOTE]You can pm me for details.
[QUOTE=Deezer1;3101456]I've been going to a place in Northbrook that's a emp. 2 girls work out of the same place. Both are ok in looks and both are so so with their massage skills. The blonde one is older but doesn't drive a hard bargain for a he, her looks are about a solid 7 imo. The brunette is a bit of a hustler, I over paid by a 20 for a typical he, her looks are also a 7 imo. Wasn't thinking with the right head. They both advertise on BP under different numbers. I have kept going to see the blonde as she gives more of a better finish.[/QUOTE]Or a link to one of the ads please?
So you guys know I have been around for awhile. Been mongering AMP scene for over 20 years.
Today I decided to take a trip to check out Lilly Spa out west by Round Lake. When I got there, I immediately recognized the mms but she didn't recognize me. But I'm sure I have seen her, maybe back in old Pine or Cozy days? Could even be from Ok back 10 years ago. Idk, but my mind definitely has seen her before. She leads me to my room, typical set up. In walks the lady who is going to give me a massage and again, my mind tells me that I've been with this lady before. I tell her that I know her and she says no and acts like she's never been here before, from NY, yadda yadda yadda.
Massage starts and my mind is racing going thru memory trying to figure out where I know her from. We talk a bit, I'm trying to get a tell out of her to help my mind conquer it's mission. On the flip, she leans over and stares at me and I see her eyes and now I'm certain I've seen her before! So I tell her again. She gets kinda freaked out and leaves to get the mms. They both walk in grilling me and I'm like oh shit! After a couple minutes all is good, mms leaves, and massage is finished in typical yet slightly advanced fashion. I leave happy other than the fact that I'm still stuck on that I know these ladies.
So help a brother out guys and tell me I'm not losing it! Tell me where they are from!
Pm if you feel that is safer.
P.S. Stopped by Pine the other day, things are more in the line of what Mitch's used to be, but heard from Honey during my visit that they might be gone soon. Not sure f "she" or the "AMP" might be gone. Was hard to understand.
Be safe.
Joe.
[QUOTE=Joe6009;3102405]So you guys know I have been around for awhile. Been mongering AMP scene for over 20 years.
Today I decided to take a trip to check out Lilly Spa out west by Round Lake. When I got there, I immediately recognized the mms but she didn't recognize me. But I'm sure I have seen her, maybe back in old Pine or Cozy days? Could even be from Ok back 10 years ago. Idk, but my mind definitely has seen her before. She leads me to my room, typical set up. In walks the lady who is going to give me a massage and again, my mind tells me that I've been with this lady before. I tell her that I know her and she says no and acts like she's never been here before, from NY, yadda yadda yadda.
Massage starts and my mind is racing going thru memory trying to figure out where I know her from. We talk a bit, I'm trying to get a tell out of her to help my mind conquer it's mission. On the flip, she leans over and stares at me and I see her eyes and now I'm certain I've seen her before! So I tell her again. She gets kinda freaked out and leaves to get the mms. They both walk in grilling me and I'm like oh shit! After a couple minutes all is good, mms leaves, and massage is finished in typical yet slightly advanced fashion. I leave happy other than the fact that I'm still stuck on that I know these ladies.
So help a brother out guys and tell me I'm not losing it! Tell me where they are from!
Pm if you feel that is safer.
P.S. Stopped by Pine the other day, things are more in the line of what Mitch's used to be, but heard from Honey during my visit that they might be gone soon. Not sure f "she" or the "AMP" might be gone. Was hard to understand.
Be safe.
Joe.[/QUOTE]Swore that place off after a few tries - 50 something mamason was awful massage, soso happy, and then cracked by neck and said "I was a doctor in China". Will never go back.
I've heard this before, Chinese doctors. What kind of mickey mouse stuff is this?
[QUOTE=Yeouch;3104215]Swore that place off after a few tries - 50 something mamason was awful massage, soso happy, and then cracked by neck and said "I was a doctor in China". Will never go back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3104236]I've heard this before, Chinese doctors. What kind of mickey mouse stuff is this?[/QUOTE]Yeah, they were all doctors and jet propulsion scientists and engineers and lawyers and physicists and astronauts back in China. Must be their professional skills translate about as well to the US as their language skills.
I tried to stop at the place on greenbay south of grand but they had a wait so I went to sunset. Only one lady there. Press sure she was the mms. I asked if she was the only one there. She said another girl coming later. MMS was older but thin. I wanted to walk but I am a pu at at why and was crunched on time so I took one for the team. She begged me to stay. It ended up being a pretty good massage with standard finish. While she was massaging she popped probably the only 2 zits on my back. She didn't ask just did. There's a bonus for the hard to reach places LOL.
I never bring wallet into places. Just cash. I had an extra. 6 in back pocket for tip or whatever else came up. I never show masseuse how much I have so I dig in and pull two bills out to leave. 4 for tip. I leave and notice all the money in back pocket was gone. I must of dropped. 2 when getting the tip. All in all it was a decent time worth a total of 1. 0. The extra. 2 I dropped pisses me off so much. LOL now I feel like I over paid when I could of gone somewhere else and got more for 1. 2 I guess it just principal but I feel like I didn't get a deal. Any of you mongers drop money by accident while trying to be ninja?
[QUOTE=BigWillie1111;3109285]
I never bring wallet into places. Just cash. I had an extra. 6 in back pocket for tip or whatever else came up. I never show masseuse how much I have so I dig in and pull two bills out to leave. 4 for tip. I leave and notice all the money in back pocket was gone. I must of dropped. 2 when getting the tip. All in all it was a decent time worth a total of 1. 0. The extra. 2 I dropped pisses me off so much. LOL now I feel like I over paid when I could of gone somewhere else and got more for 1. 2 I guess it just principal but I feel like I didn't get a deal. Any of you mongers drop money by accident while trying to be ninja?[/QUOTE]A couple of years back I was seeing Charlene at her home / side business in Lake Villa. It was a good legit massage and I tipped her $20. Five minutes after I left my phone rings and it's her. She's calling to tell me she found a 20 on the carpet below where I had laid my clothes and that I could come back and get it. I told her to just keep till next appt which she returned to me right up front. I was blown away. Because of that one honest gesture I became a regular.
[QUOTE=BigWillie1111;3109285] Any of you mongers drop money by accident while trying to be ninja?[/QUOTE]Are you sure it dropped out or did she steal it? I keep money in different pockets. The standard. 4 (2 x20) in one pocket and then I'll split another 40 into other pockets, usually 4 tens for flexibility. Never lost it though. But keeping it split up will prevent losing it all. I figure if they snoop they'll take the first piece of cash they find and not look for any more.
[QUOTE=BigWillie1111;3109285]I tried to stop at the place on greenbay south of grand but they had a wait so I went to sunset. Only one lady there. Press sure she was the mms. I asked if she was the only one there. She said another girl coming later. MMS was older but thin. I wanted to walk but I am a pu at at why and was crunched on time so I took one for the team. She begged me to stay. It ended up being a pretty good massage with standard finish. While she was massaging she popped probably the only 2 zits on my back. She didn't ask just did. There's a bonus for the hard to reach places LOL.
I never bring wallet into places. Just cash. I had an extra. 6 in back pocket for tip or whatever else came up. I never show masseuse how much I have so I dig in and pull two bills out to leave. 4 for tip. I leave and notice all the money in back pocket was gone. I must of dropped. 2 when getting the tip. All in all it was a decent time worth a total of 1. 0. The extra. 2 I dropped pisses me off so much. LOL now I feel like I over paid when I could of gone somewhere else and got more for 1. 2 I guess it just principal but I feel like I didn't get a deal. Any of you mongers drop money by accident while trying to be ninja?[/QUOTE]Hasn't been to heaven in a while, bored of sunset, and Anna's UTR is gone. Made an appt (ad says By Appt Only). Only one MT working, got interupted probably ten times by the telephone, and you guys banging on the door without an appointment. Because of how busy they were, she intentionally shorted me 20 minutes (not counting multiple trips to the door and the phone) and apologized over and over. Highly annoying.
Girl was Linda, kinda cute in my estimation. Nice standard finish. Massage so-so. Tipped standard, but felt like leaving less due to the time shorting but couldn't bring myself to do it..
If you guys go there, suggest not doing an hour there, received roughly 30. Shorted my other visit too come to think of it.
And don't do a walk-in..call ahead.
Sucks for the poor monger inside when the MT leaves and is having an awkward 5 minute conversation with you at the door. This place would b much better if they would have 2-3 girls there. Experienced pretty much ruined and I also had that unpleasant experience of feeling like you overpaid, got a bad deal. Especially annoying because I wasted my last mongerbux on that experience.
Sounds like a sh! T show. Yes its great when these dopes insist on asking dumb ass questions to someone who is clearly busy and may not speak or understand English that well. When she says she is busy take your ass and go somewhere else or go sit in your car.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;3110627]Hasn't been to heaven in a while, bored of sunset, and Anna's UTR is gone. Made an appt (ad says By Appt Only). Only one MT working, got interupted probably ten times by the telephone, and you guys banging on the door without an appointment. Because of how busy they were, she intentionally shorted me 20 minutes (not counting multiple trips to the door and the phone) and apologized over and over. Highly annoying.
Girl was Linda, kinda cute in my estimation. Nice standard finish. Massage so-so. Tipped standard, but felt like leaving less due to the time shorting but couldn't bring myself to do it..
If you guys go there, suggest not doing an hour there, received roughly 30. Shorted my other visit too come to think of it.
And don't do a walk-in..call ahead.
Sucks for the poor monger inside when the MT leaves and is having an awkward 5 minute conversation with you at the door. This place would b much better if they would have 2-3 girls there. Experienced pretty much ruined and I also had that unpleasant experience of feeling like you overpaid, got a bad deal. Especially annoying because I wasted my last mongerbux on that experience.[/QUOTE]
You know its a challenge. And "L"s place, it seems like people either don't come at all or they decide to all come at the same time when she is working. I'd prefer an appointment system and even made an appointment chart. Here's a question: Would you be willing to wait in a sauna while the prior massage is finished? We have a sauna but don't use it much. Happy to offer it free for customers who are waiting.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3110804]Sounds like a sh! T show. Yes its great when these dopes insist on asking dumb ass questions to someone who is clearly busy and may not speak or understand English that well. When she says she is busy take your ass and go somewhere else or go sit in your car.[/QUOTE]
Your massage place is legit but if a place is not and its busy I go somewhere else or skip it all together. The issue I was bringing up is mongers standing there having a conversation when they know she is busy with another customer.
[QUOTE=Bob521;3111317]You know its a challenge. And "L"s place, it seems like people either don't come at all or they decide to all come at the same time when she is working. I'd prefer an appointment system and even made an appointment chart. Here's a question: Would you be willing to wait in a sauna while the prior massage is finished? We have a sauna but don't use it much. Happy to offer it free for customers who are waiting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;3111317]You know its a challenge. And "L"s place, it seems like people either don't come at all or they decide to all come at the same time when she is working. I'd prefer an appointment system and even made an appointment chart. Here's a question: Would you be willing to wait in a sauna while the prior massage is finished? We have a sauna but don't use it much. Happy to offer it free for customers who are waiting.[/QUOTE]I personally wouldn't want to sit in a sauna and get all sweaty before the massage but I do recognize the need to try to do something to keep the customer from leaving. Once they have gone you never know if they will return.
Now where to go with Anna's no so UTR closed? There were some nice young gals with reliable service.
Yeah I don't see the appeal of a sauna either. The thing does not get used. Today we disassembled the thing, moved it to one of the big rooms and then put it back together. "L" and I were laughing our heads off at how crazy we were for moving this contraption. Maybe when the weather gets cold it will have some appeal.
[QUOTE=Zoomy99;3111586]I personally wouldn't want to sit in a sauna and get all sweaty before the massage but I do recognize the need to try to do something to keep the customer from leaving. Once they have gone you never know if they will return.[/QUOTE]
Concerning the recent discussion about the ringing phone and the idiot who comes to the door to ask pointless questions and take up the MTs time. This comes back to what I was reporting (or just complaining) about last year. Not only do the AMPs no longer keep a MMS, they sometimes only have one girl working! Yes, I understand cost accounting and not keeping a large staff on hand that aren't bringing in money. But one girl? Not only do I find it dangerous, but as recently reported it makes the experience frustrating for the customer.
I would hate to make a blanket statement, but MMS more common in Korean vs Chinese. Sometimes I work the desk to help "L". But I am considered to be a customer "repellant". So I stay in back as much as possible. LOL.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3113453]Concerning the recent discussion about the ringing phone and the idiot who comes to the door to ask pointless questions and take up the MTs time. This comes back to what I was reporting (or just complaining) about last year. Not only do the AMPs no longer keep a MMS, they sometimes only have one girl working! Yes, I understand cost accounting and not keeping a large staff on hand that aren't bringing in money. But one girl? Not only do I find it dangerous, but as recently reported it makes the experience frustrating for the customer.[/QUOTE]
This is stupidity by the owner. If its a busy spa they need a traffic control person so my girl does not have to stop what she is doing to answer the door.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3113453]Concerning the recent discussion about the ringing phone and the idiot who comes to the door to ask pointless questions and take up the MTs time. This comes back to what I was reporting (or just complaining) about last year. Not only do the AMPs no longer keep a MMS, they sometimes only have one girl working! Yes, I understand cost accounting and not keeping a large staff on hand that aren't bringing in money. But one girl? Not only do I find it dangerous, but as recently reported it makes the experience frustrating for the customer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SmileySam;3111861]Now where to go with Anna's no so UTR closed? There were some nice young gals with reliable service.[/QUOTE]Going through "post Anna's UTR can't relieve stress" syndrome. Her places always had the best combination of massage skills and extras with great attitudes. Never suspected any foul play, in fact my only complaint was the turnover. Many of the girls would tell me their stories and none included being held against their will. My fav was the irish mongolian. She was smart, independent and very cool to talk to.
That aside, what now? Per discussions here, thought Heaven was best thing going, however have had same challenges with shorting time, long interruptions, and someone else taking my "appointment".
Sunset is ehhh, China on GB still needs dental work, Lilly's is painful, and place just north of 132 on 83 (Green?) provides intermittent HE.
Anna's was best combination of services with never a regret. Now I'm left debating heading to wheeling / northbrook to find new goto place. Ugh. Anyone with answers please PM me and I'll share my new discoveries back.
[QUOTE=Bob521;3112512]Yeah I don't see the appeal of a sauna either. The thing does not get used. Today we disassembled the thing, moved it to one of the big rooms and then put it back together. "L" and I were laughing our heads off at how crazy we were for moving this contraption. Maybe when the weather gets cold it will have some appeal.[/QUOTE]I could see using it during the winter months. One of my personal pet peeves by the way, is getting a massage in a cold (or even cold-ish) room. Am one of those people who's feet and hands get cold very quickly. Unless it's a heated table, I almost can't stand getting a massage in the winter (or fall, or early spring) even though I need them. Usually I stick to a couple of "legit" places with heated tables all winter, mixed in with a few uncomfortably cold happy massages elsewhere.
Hint Hint. Get a heated table if you don't already have one.
[QUOTE=Yeouch;3114018]Going through "post Anna's UTR can't relieve stress" syndrome. Her places always had the best combination of massage skills and extras with great attitudes. Never suspected any foul play, in fact my only complaint was the turnover. Many of the girls would tell me their stories and none included being held against their will. My fav was the irish mongolian. She was smart, independent and very cool to talk to.
That aside, what now? Per discussions here, thought Heaven was best thing going, however have had same challenges with shorting time, long interruptions, and someone else taking my "appointment".
Sunset is ehhh, China on GB still needs dental work, Lilly's is painful, and place just north of 132 on 83 (Green?) provides intermittent HE.
Anna's was best combination of services with never a regret. Now I'm left debating heading to wheeling / northbrook to find new goto place. Ugh. Anyone with answers please PM me and I'll share my new discoveries back.[/QUOTE]Yes I know what you mean. There's no place nearby that is particularly good or reliable and at a decent price point. (I'm excluding the $80 joints like Cozy, Pine, (Gem, aren't they $80?). Doesn't seem a very good value when you're only looking for standard finishes.
Sunset and GB both need all new staff, Heaven needs to stop being too cheap to HAVE some staff. Being shorted half your time, every time is not acceptable.
Fantastic in LV was usually a terrible massage (Mee-Shell), Lake Villa hit or miss. Haven't tried Lilly's House of Pain yet. Only been to Dragon once and it seemed fully legit even though it doesn't look that way on the outside. (PM me if you know differently).
Kenosha's not been too great lately either. Lot of new places with racy ads, but they're all self serve.
[QUOTE=Yeouch;3114018]Going through "post Anna's UTR can't relieve stress" syndrome. Her places always had the best combination of massage skills and extras with great attitudes.
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Anna's was best combination of services with never a regret. Now I'm left debating heading to wheeling / northbrook to find new goto place. Ugh. Anyone with answers please PM me and I'll share my new discoveries back.[/QUOTE]+1.
Wheeling is fine but doesn't have any promising providers. Anna's Deerfield location was very convenient. Looking at Schaumburg but the AMP scene doesn't look good. Hopefully someone will fill the void soon!
[QUOTE=Yeouch;3114018]Going through "post Anna's UTR can't relieve stress" syndrome. Her places always had the best combination of massage skills and extras with great attitudes. Never suspected any foul play, in fact my only complaint was the turnover. Many of the girls would tell me their stories and none included being held against their will. My fav was the irish mongolian. She was smart, independent and very cool to talk to.
That aside, what now? Per discussions here, thought Heaven was best thing going, however have had same challenges with shorting time, long interruptions, and someone else taking my "appointment".
Sunset is ehhh, China on GB still needs dental work, Lilly's is painful, and place just north of 132 on 83 (Green?) provides intermittent HE.
Anna's was best combination of services with never a regret. Now I'm left debating heading to wheeling / northbrook to find new goto place. Ugh. Anyone with answers please PM me and I'll share my new discoveries back.[/QUOTE]I agree on quality at Anna's was unmatched. I suppose all good things have to come to an end. How's Yedam these days?
[QUOTE=HeadFirst80;3115052]I agree on quality at Anna's was unmatched. I suppose all good things have to come to an end. How's Yedam these days?[/QUOTE]Will keep looking north and south to find that great combination of solid massage, cute MT's with great attitude, and no stress HE!
Someone mentioned some of the gals may have gone north? There's a new add for Kenosha on 60th? South I've only done M2 and one of the obscure places off milwaukee. Hoping capitalism comes through and fills the void!
[QUOTE=Yeouch;3115122]Will keep looking north and south to find that great combination of solid massage, cute MT's with great attitude, and no stress HE!
Someone mentioned some of the gals may have gone north? There's a new add for Kenosha on 60th? South I've only done M2 and one of the obscure places off milwaukee. Hoping capitalism comes through and fills the void![/QUOTE]According to several reports on the Kenosha boards, the new Kenosha /60th location is strictly self-serve and a big tease.
[URL]http://racine.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/new-new-sweet-asian-massage-2623747301/16254497[/URL]
That's good advice. We actually discussed getting heated table or a heating pad of some sort. L literally caught pneumonia last winter at some bullshit place in Butt-Fuck Illinois. Owner would not turn on the heat. I drove 200 miles (each way) to get her out of that godforsaken place after a week of freezing every night. Bob.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;3114185]I could see using it during the winter months. One of my personal pet peeves by the way, is getting a massage in a cold (or even cold-ish) room. Am one of those people who's feet and hands get cold very quickly. Unless it's a heated table, I almost can't stand getting a massage in the winter (or fall, or early spring) even though I need them. Usually I stick to a couple of "legit" places with heated tables all winter, mixed in with a few uncomfortably cold happy massages elsewhere.
Hint Hint. Get a heated table if you don't already have one.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;3115712]That's good advice. We actually discussed getting heated table or a heating pad of some sort. L literally caught pneumonia last winter at some bullshit place in Butt-Fuck Illinois. Owner would not turn on the heat. I drove 200 miles (each way) to get her out of that godforsaken place after a week of freezing every night. Bob.[/QUOTE]Are cheap and customers love them.
You will pick up up extra biz per month just because of the warm beds.
Good luck, and no need to buy an expensive table when a cheap plug in sheet / blanket will do the trick.
Truth, last time I was in there she was jocking me pretty hard for. 4 tip and asking a lot of looking for a husband questions.
[QUOTE=MrSmartyPants;3115684]According to several reports on the Kenosha boards, the new Kenosha /60th location is strictly self-serve and a big tease.
[URL]http://racine.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/new-new-sweet-asian-massage-2623747301/16254497[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OKSure;3116295]Truth, last time I was in there she was jocking me pretty hard for. 4 tip and asking a lot of looking for a husband questions.[/QUOTE]An endorsement! Will check it out.
Bob can afford the heated table. LOL.
[QUOTE=Confucius;3115960]Are cheap and customers love them.
You will pick up up extra biz per month just because of the warm beds.
Good luck, and no need to buy an expensive table when a cheap plug in sheet / blanket will do the trick.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OKSure;3116295]Truth, last time I was in there she was jocking me pretty hard for. 4 tip and asking a lot of looking for a husband questions.[/QUOTE]If you look back quite a while I reported this place. Girl really liked me. We made out alot. She wanted a husband bad. She said she never gives He only ss. But I felt her up and we kissed alot. Wouldn't repeat. To much pressure to marry LOL.
I was up in LV around Noon yesterday, feeling the need and thought I'd spin the wheel at Mystic and see if it landed on He that day. Nobody home. Was not so hard up to hit the Lilly House of pain. Did Mystic close up, or did I just pick a bad time?
Ordered a pad. So one room has a sauna and a table. The other will have the pad. Next week.
I'm also trying to find an app or something that tells people when we have availability and when we are busy. Its amazingly frustrating how she has no customers all morning and then three people all arrive between 2 and 2:30.
Today, I have to vent. Guy shows up. I'm in back. He says to "L", Are you the only woman? Nobody else? Ok, never mind. And he leaves. So, okay, he has a type. Looking for a twenty year old, perhaps. But L is slim and beautiful, and an incredible human being. His loss. But what a classless way to handle the situation. For gosh sakes, just ask something like how late are you open? Why hurt her feelings? Bob.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3117492]Bob can afford the heated table. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;3120214]Ordered a pad. So one room has a sauna and a table. The other will have the pad. Next week.
I'm also trying to find an app or something that tells people when we have availability and when we are busy. Its amazingly frustrating how she has no customers all morning and then three people all arrive between 2 and 2:30.
Today, I have to vent. Guy shows up. I'm in back. He says to "L", Are you the only woman? Nobody else? Ok, never mind. And he leaves. So, okay, he has a type. Looking for a twenty year old, perhaps. But L is slim and beautiful, and an incredible human being. His loss. But what a classless way to handle the situation. For gosh sakes, just ask something like how late are you open? Why hurt her feelings? Bob.[/QUOTE]What makes the difference? He wasn't going to get what he was looking for anyway. You probably came out ahead on this exchange.
[QUOTE=WhiteRookDown;3120236]What makes the difference? He wasn't going to get what he was looking for anyway. You probably came out ahead on this exchange.[/QUOTE]What makes the difference is hurt feelings. That's huge. No reason to make the MT feel bad. Lots of different ways to turn away, lots of things one can say so she doesn't feel bad. This jerk chose to be unkind. No reason for that. That is what makes the difference.