Rants, Raves, and Stupid Tinfoil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Bullshit

[QUOTE=Sobe69;7111159]So what's the plan? Outcall only? Dinner / lunch date first?[/QUOTE]Sure as long as you have basically nothing to lose. 4 month minimum setence, no alternative, that's the best case. And girls will literally be paid to say they were trafficked, so you better trust the girls A LOT. There is no downside for the girls at all. They can take your money for a year, get pissed at you one day, and then get another major pay day from homelad security. Have you met many girls you can trust like that in this hobby?

[QUOTE=Sobe69;7111159]So what's the plan? Outcall only? Dinner / lunch date first?[/QUOTE]My plan is to retire. I can't fully trust the providers, not even my regular. May be if I travel to other states I might participate.

I'm going to throw in the towel as well. Reading these threads makes me scared for some of you though. Because you're obviously going away for at least a short while. Maybe I'll find the articles and news vignettes interesting.

Let us know your arrest, court, and jail experiences in this thread. And on the brightside, maybe you'll get a little action on the inside.

I think I'm right there with you my hopes of 1 k post on here are doomed LOL. Well unless there is a new state in my future!

[QUOTE=ThickCock99;7112396]My plan is to retire. I can't fully trust the providers, not even my regular. May be if I travel to other states I might participate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThickCock99;7112396]My plan is to retire. I can't fully trust the providers, not even my regular. May be if I travel to other states I might participate.[/QUOTE]I've been doing research and for the most part, without a ton of additional support services like socialized healthcare and a broader support net like in Europe, the "Swedish Model" of criminalizing sex work and purchasing solves nothing and can make many things worse. The bottom line issue is that humans will always want or need sex. So this work will not stop. My question is, Texas has had this on its books since 2001. But the data on how this has affected sex work is not easy to find. Has it truly gone even more 'underground'? Has some other model like dating sites taken over? Anyone from Texas know how this has changed things there?

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7115751]I've been doing research and for the most part, without a ton of additional support services like socialized healthcare and a broader support net like in Europe, the "Swedish Model" of criminalizing sex work and purchasing solves nothing and can make many things worse. The bottom line issue is that humans will always want or need sex. So this work will not stop. My question is, Texas has had this on its books since 2001. But the data on how this has affected sex work is not easy to find. Has it truly gone even more 'underground'? Has some other model like dating sites taken over? Anyone from Texas know how this has changed things there?[/QUOTE]2021. Yes things in Texas got way worse. But there are a lot of key differences between the Texas version and what's happening in NC that's going to make enforcemet in nc far stronger and getting caught far worse.

Should the new law impact non-agency escorts, agencies (whether it be low level one that bring us Asian aunties or higher end like TOS) and AMPs all at equal levels or will they be going after guys who frequent some types more than others? Would something like cuddle comfort still be a safe option or is that at risk as well? I haven't looked into the law other than what I've seen on this site.

[QUOTE=OldManJ;7115974]Should the new law impact non-agency escorts, agencies (whether it be low level one that bring us Asian aunties or higher end like TOS) and AMPs all at equal levels or will they be going after guys who frequent some types more than others? Would something like cuddle comfort still be a safe option or is that at risk as well? I haven't looked into the law other than what I've seen on this site.[/QUOTE]My take, which is worth exactly what you paid for it, is that we're likely to see more arrests. Even if they decide to not file charges and let you go, your arrest will still be on your record and your mugshot will be online and that alone can wreck your life pretty good.

I'm not going to risk it in NC anymore. Too risky.

I would say Non-Citizen providers may be the most risky, because being a victim of crime can help legalize your presence in the US. So they can have a strong motivator to testify against you. Same with providers involved in other illegal activity such as drug use. Since they could use testimony to get other charges dismissed. I would say the lowest risk would be citizen providers who are not involved in any illegal activity other than being a provider. But I'm 100% out of the game in NC until I know how things will be handled. But it will likely be taken up with gusto to start.

[QUOTE=OldManJ;7115974]Should the new law impact non-agency escorts, agencies (whether it be low level one that bring us Asian aunties or higher end like TOS) and AMPs all at equal levels or will they be going after guys who frequent some types more than others? Would something like cuddle comfort still be a safe option or is that at risk as well? I haven't looked into the law other than what I've seen on this site.[/QUOTE]

Just take a drive fellas. Can any of us say the providers here are worth that risk? I know I can't personally. I'm also willing to bet that the ones that are, typically travel a lot anyway. Nothing wrong with catching up with a friend while your on vacation a few hours away.

Oh I'm definitely out of the NC game for now too. That's why I asked about CC as a possibility for some fun still. I'll maybe make a drive to SOB a couple times a year but it's hard to find the excuses to be gone that long. Wondering if there's anything just over the border in southern VA.

I'm sure the majority of guys in this hobby still won't have knowledge of the new law so there should be plenty of fish for them to catch so we can see the outcome.

[QUOTE=OldManJ;7116167]Oh I'm definitely out of the NC game for now too. That's why I asked about CC as a possibility for some fun still. I'll maybe make a drive to SOB a couple times a year but it's hard to find the excuses to be gone that long. Wondering if there's anything just over the border in southern VA.

I'm sure the majority of guys in this hobby still won't have knowledge of the new law so there should be plenty of fish for them to catch so we can see the outcome.[/QUOTE]Richmond VA was fun last week. Some options we already know. Most of the southern towns below that are dry except Petersburg and that's hit and miss.

Does anyone think the Sugar sites will be affected by the new law? Are there any reports of this occurring in Texas?

[QUOTE=GregG73;7116731]Does anyone think the Sugar sites will be affected by the new law? Are there any reports of this occurring in Texas?[/QUOTE]I'm still thinking sugar sites and CC will be safe. In particular, with CC you have to set up your account as a pro with a credit card on file etc. There is too much gray area there I would imagine. Even with that, I would still avoid any sort of paper trail. Only discuss extras in person face to face and don't ask for anything over text or email. Any provider that comes right out with money for sex I would stay away from. Just set up a meet and greet date (or regular cuddle session) and chat from there.

Even with the additional resources and stricter laws, I have to think the focus is still going to be on trafficking and underage stuff and less so on independents, especially ones that are not as obvious like pro cuddlers and SAs.

I'm just guessing though. I have a couple of regulars I'm sticking to for a while.

[QUOTE=WaterLynn;7115832]2021. Yes things in Texas got way worse. But there are a lot of key differences between the Texas version and what's happening in NC that's going to make enforcemet in nc far stronger and getting caught far worse.[/QUOTE]Are there? How so? The oldest profession in history always finds a way, so I'm wondering if anyone from that state or who knows about it has seen how things shook out since it's been the law for 4 years there.

For example, freedom of speech is a whole different ballgame, which is how the porn industry works, basically. If you're consenting adults, creating a 'work of art', it's entirely different than prostitution. If me and a friend agree to film us getting together, as the main purpose to create art, is that punishable? I mean, how can a law punish anything two adults do together? This is just an example. Same with a social club where sex is permissible, but not in exchange for money but the club has dues, etc. How can that be punishable under these laws? Just tossing out hypotheticals here.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7116752]Are there? How so? The oldest profession in history always finds a way, so I'm wondering if anyone from that state or who knows about it has seen how things shook out since it's been the law for 4 years there.

For example, freedom of speech is a whole different ballgame, which is how the porn industry works, basically. If you're consenting adults, creating a 'work of art', it's entirely different than prostitution. If me and a friend agree to film us getting together, as the main purpose to create art, is that punishable? I mean, how can a law punish anything two adults do together? This is just an example. Same with a social club where sex is permissible, but not in exchange for money but the club has dues, etc. How can that be punishable under these laws? Just tossing out hypotheticals here.[/QUOTE]Details are way different between TX and NC situation. NC situation is FAR worse. For example, in TX, judges could offer prayers for judgment requests, knock the charge down to a misdemeanor, make it a fine only, etc. In NC the judges have NO discretion now. It will be a felony and 4 months MINIMUM. That is the least judges can do by law. This means two things, number 1, far worse for mongers. Number 2, enforcement will be far greater in NC because felonies are good for law enforcement. They are less motivated to go after misdemeanors. Guaranteed felonies are going to make this super easy pickings for them.

Another difference, TX got 1 homeland security task force after the new law passed. NC now has 3. Texas has far greater population. For comparison, the entire state of California only has 1. Texas and California have far greater populations and sizes. That should tell you something about the scale of the operation NC is going to have.

Additionally check MmceStep's post about the funding and grants being made available to law enforcement in NC. Nothing near this scale has ever been in done in any other state.

Even with how much better the 2021 texas law was than what's happening in NC, the monger scene is a shell of what it used to be, which says a lot considering it was a fairly thriving place for mongers before.

Texas law also requires an offer to be made. NC is only intent, a much lower barrier.

It seems like providers need to go back to the original meanings of "companion" and "escort", when they advertise "only for their time" and "what happens during that time is between two consenting adults. " Obviously that will mean less clarity on exactly what services are being offered, and much will have to be based on reviews, trying girls out, and bailing at any mention of compensation for services, but I do not see an alternative (other than giving up completely of course).

[QUOTE=WaterLynn;7117023]Details are way different between TX and NC situation. NC situation is FAR worse. For example, in TX, judges could offer prayers for judgment requests, knock the charge down to a misdemeanor, make it a fine only, etc. In NC the judges have NO discretion now. It will be a felony and 4 months MINIMUM. That is the least judges can do by law. This means two things, number 1, far worse for mongers. Number 2, enforcement will be far greater in NC because felonies are good for law enforcement. They are less motivated to go after misdemeanors. Guaranteed felonies are going to make this super easy pickings for them.

Another difference, TX got 1 homeland security task force after the new law passed. NC now has 3. Texas has far greater population. For comparison, the entire state of California only has 1. Texas and California have far greater populations and sizes. That should tell you something about the scale of the operation NC is going to have.

Additionally check MmceStep's post about the funding and grants being made available to law enforcement in NC. Nothing near this scale has ever been in done in any other state.

Even with how much better the 2021 texas law was than what's happening in NC, the monger scene is a shell of what it used to be, which says a lot considering it was a fairly thriving place for mongers before.[/QUOTE]HB 971 needs to be repealed.

So I met up with a friend with benefits the other day. Just a pretty female friend. Private rsidence, so I was far less worried, but still worried nevertheless. While eating her out, I stopped to ask her if she knew about the new law and she had no idea. Had never heard about it. I wasn't a bit surprised, and what followed also was what I expected her to say, "No fucking way I'm ever working with the police!

I bet that's the attitude of a lot of girls in the game. But we shall see.

[QUOTE=TheBadGuy;7117745]HB 971 needs to be repealed.[/QUOTE]It absolutely does. Possibly the worst law ever passed. Makes no sense for someone to become a felon for consensual sex between two adults.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7118079]So I met up with a friend with benefits the other day. Just a pretty female friend. Private rsidence, so I was far less worried, but still worried nevertheless. While eating her out, I stopped to ask her if she knew about the new law and she had no idea. Had never heard about it. I wasn't a bit surprised, and what followed also was what I expected her to say, "No fucking way I'm ever working with the police!

I bet that's the attitude of a lot of girls in the game. But we shall see.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that one the way I see it based off what you said A lot of these girls is too into the street life. Being known as the girl that has helped in putting away a lot of guys for buying Sex, Alot of guys who would prob go see the next girl that she knows but no longer can because they is locked up, Might not sit well with these other girls. And out here These girls care more about being able to live to see another day or trying not to get beat up, Rather then helping the police and then the police still treat them like shit and won't protect them against the streets.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7118079]So I met up with a friend with benefits the other day. Just a pretty female friend. Private rsidence, so I was far less worried, but still worried nevertheless. While eating her out, I stopped to ask her if she knew about the new law and she had no idea. Had never heard about it. I wasn't a bit surprised, and what followed also was what I expected her to say, "No fucking way I'm ever working with the police!

I bet that's the attitude of a lot of girls in the game. But we shall see.[/QUOTE]Of course they won't with no incentive. However, I highly doubt most of these providers would either turn down compensation or having charges against them reduced / dropped. I hope I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7118079]So I met up with a friend with benefits the other day. Just a pretty female friend. Private rsidence, so I was far less worried, but still worried nevertheless. While eating her out, I stopped to ask her if she knew about the new law and she had no idea. Had never heard about it. I wasn't a bit surprised, and what followed also was what I expected her to say, "No fucking way I'm ever working with the police!

I bet that's the attitude of a lot of girls in the game. But we shall see.[/QUOTE]1. What else would you expect her to say to you?

2. They're going to offer her $, that's ultimately going to come from you. That's an entirely different calculus.

3. They're going to use a psychologist to make the offer to her. This is to convince her that mongers have been responsible for keeping her down. And that we've been benefitting from using her, an otherwise good girl who might have had a family, a house, and a career if MONGERS weren't keeping her in this cycle. They'll be telling her that the monger will be slapped with a permanent No-Contact Order, so she literally never has to see you or hear from you again. Except in court. They may also make other deals with her to entice her. Dismissing charges, amnesty against future charges, etc. No, she can't be charged with solicitation, but these providers are usually into a lot of other shit.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7118316]1. What else would you expect her to say to you?

2. They're going to offer her $, that's ultimately going to come from you. That's an entirely different calculus.

3. They're going to use a psychologist to make the offer to her. This is to convince her that mongers have been responsible for keeping her down. And that we've been benefitting from using her, an otherwise good girl who might have had a family, a house, and a career if MONGERS weren't keeping her in this cycle. They'll be telling her that the monger will be slapped with a permanent No-Contact Order, so she literally never has to see you or hear from you again. Except in court. They may also make other deals with her to entice her. Dismissing charges, amnesty against future charges, etc. No, she can't be charged with solicitation, but these providers are usually into a lot of other shit.[/QUOTE]Think of the choices. The authorities are banking these women will sell you out rather than going to prison. If a get out of jail free card is presented, you can bet they'll sell you out before they can rot. These women don't know you.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7118079]So I met up with a friend with benefits the other day. Just a pretty female friend. Private rsidence, so I was far less worried, but still worried nevertheless. While eating her out, I stopped to ask her if she knew about the new law and she had no idea. Had never heard about it. I wasn't a bit surprised, and what followed also was what I expected her to say, "No fucking way I'm ever working with the police!

I bet that's the attitude of a lot of girls in the game. But we shall see.[/QUOTE]LOL, was she supposed to say "oh yeah, I would totally turn you in for enough money and my own charges dropped!" right in the middle of the deed?

Come on bro, be for fukn real.

Since the implementation of the new law, as anyone ventured out? I'm are returning to the area this weekend and was assessing the climate.

[QUOTE=MisterT69;7118170]It absolutely does. Possibly the worst law ever passed. Makes no sense for someone to become a felon for consensual sex between two adults.[/QUOTE]I think that's going to be a major uphill battle. Whoever goes against this is going to be seen as someone trying to get rid of a law to end human trafficking.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7118316]They may also make other deals with her to entice her. Dismissing charges, amnesty against future charges, etc. No, she can't be charged with solicitation, but these providers are usually into a lot of other shit.[/QUOTE]Absolutely -- the mugshots posted fairly regularly in this thread are hardly ever for solicitation.

[QUOTE=WaterLynn;7118579]I think that's going to be a major uphill battle. Whoever goes against this is going to be seen as someone trying to get rid of a law to end human trafficking.[/QUOTE]I have lots of experience with this kind of thing. First thing. Criminal laws rarely get repealed. The best hope would be that the US Circuit Court of Appeals or Supreme Court would deem something in the law unconstitutional, but there's a couple problems with that. First the same kind of right-wingers currently run SCOTUS and second, there really isn't anything unprecedented in the law. The most plausible theory for how that could happen would be for a Lodger to argue that they had no 'Foreseeability' if action was taken on them for missing that they had a guest providing services staying with them, when that Lodger was also compliant with the training elements of the law. Since that part of the law doesn't go into effect until next summer, we're 3-4 years away from that happening, at best. Knowing my way around Raleigh though, my suspicion is that NC Appeals Courts will simply dismiss these charges before they can be kicked up to a higher court to avoid the law being legally challenged on a Federal basis. Politically this one is also impossible for legislators to mess with. We know who has majority in the state legislature right now, and they have no plans to change the law. Even if that changed, the blue guys would risk future rival campaign ads calling them out for 'enabling Human Trafficking'. None of them want that. The damage is done, and now we have to deal with that reality.

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[QUOTE=JJCale;7118406]LOL, was she supposed to say "oh yeah, I would totally turn you in for enough money and my own charges dropped!" right in the middle of the deed?

Come on bro, be for fukn real.[/QUOTE]I am being real, "bro". That's why I shared the post. This is a real reaction from someone out there. I am confident that 90% of the working women out there feel the same way and don't want anything to do with law enforcement. There's no doubt this law is real and the dangers are real, but don't shoot the messenger who tested the waters on day one. Plus, I know this girl. She's a regular and only see's a few guys. She has a life to live and is happy having things just the way they are on the side.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7119307]I am being real, "bro". That's why I shared the post. This is a real reaction from someone out there. I am confident that 90% of the working women out there feel the same way and don't want anything to do with law enforcement. There's no doubt this law is real and the dangers are real, but don't shoot the messenger who tested the waters on day one. Plus, I know this girl. She's a regular and only see's a few guys. She has a life to live and is happy having things just the way they are on the side.[/QUOTE]To save their own ass (and to make some cash) they would definitely turn on one of us. That one girl doesn't speak for all especially the more desperate ones.

[QUOTE=TheMundane;7119467]To save their own ass (and to make some cash) they would definitely turn on one of us. That one girl doesn't speak for all especially the more desperate ones.[/QUOTE]Bingo. These girls typically aren't in the business because they are financially sound and like blowing old guys. They are usually desperate or have substance abuse problems that keep them from working a regular job.

How anyone thinks this makes the majority of them trustworthy is beyond me.

[QUOTE=JJCale;7119780]Bingo. These girls typically aren't in the business because they are financially sound and like blowing old guys. They are usually desperate or have substance abuse problems that keep them from working a regular job.

How anyone thinks this makes the majority of them trustworthy is beyond me.[/QUOTE]Nobody is saying or implying any such thing. Trustworthy is not the same as talking about their reality and where their main interests lie. People will go down with this new law, but this profession will not stop.

[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;7119842]Nobody is saying or implying any such thing. Trustworthy is not the same as talking about their reality and where their main interests lie. People will go down with this new law, but this profession will not stop.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the World's Oldest Profession will not be stopped. The point is that I don't want my life, or yours to stop, as we know it, as a result of a junkie that LEO wants to pretend is an innocent princess who just needs a $12 k investment to turn her life around. I'm betting that 9. 5 out of 10 are taking that deal after the HSI psychologist begins working on her. Their loyalty is not the thing we should be banking on. New levels of security are really the goal here.

I just thought I would add an additional element that I discovered some guys don't realize.

If you were busted for soliciting before, even 30 years ago and paid the traffic ticket type penalty, you have a first offense already. Most criminal attorneys would just have urged you to pay the small fine in the past and move on, as it was a light misdemeanor.

This means if you're caught under the new law, you are facing 39 months in prison for a second offense. A guy who DM'd me thought there was some kind of statute of limitations on prior convictions. There is not. If you've been busted before, DO NOT take the risk in NC. There are other places better suited to your situation. Save up and travel.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7119934]I just thought I would add an additional element that I discovered some guys don't realize.

If you were busted for soliciting before, even 30 years ago and paid the traffic ticket type penalty, you have a first offense already. Most criminal attorneys would just have urged you to pay the small fine in the past and move on, as it was a light misdemeanor.

This means if you're caught under the new law, you are facing 39 months in prison for a second offense. A guy who DM'd me thought there was some kind of statute of limitations on prior convictions. There is not. If you've been busted before, DO NOT take the risk in NC. There are other places better suited to your situation. Save up and travel.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen a single provider worth the time or money in this state. Not one.

[QUOTE=JJCale;7120135]I haven't seen a single provider worth the time or money in this state. Not one.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, what state would you say is worth it?

[QUOTE=MmceStep;7119925]I agree with you that the World's Oldest Profession will not be stopped. The point is that I don't want my life, or yours to stop, as we know it, as a result of a junkie that LEO wants to pretend is an innocent princess who just needs a $12 k investment to turn her life around. I'm betting that 9. 5 out of 10 are taking that deal after the HSI psychologist begins working on her. Their loyalty is not the thing we should be banking on. New levels of security are really the goal here.[/QUOTE]Curious where you're getting the 12 K number. Just a guess? Or do you know something about that specifically?