"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I saw a great line a guy pur in his SA profile:

")_( this is curvy, (_) this is not. ".

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4924541]I totally agree! Curvy almost always translates to Fat when you meet them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4924702]I saw a great line a guy pur in his SA profile:

")_( this is curvy, (_) this is not. ".[/QUOTE]Why and how are you looking at a guy's profile? :p

An SB posted about it on another forum. It's really not that nefarious. LOL.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4924853]Why and how are you looking at a guy's profile? :p[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4924947]An SB posted about it on another forum. It's really not that nefarious. LOL.[/QUOTE]You said and I quote - "I saw a great line a guy pur in his SA profile: So thought that perhaps you have another account as a SB. :p

With the forum being so quiet, thank you for providing some much needed chuckles

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4925131]You said and I quote - "I saw a great line a guy pur in his SA profile: So thought that perhaps you have another account as a SB. :p

With the forum being so quiet, thank you for providing some much needed chuckles[/QUOTE]I have a second account (not funded) just so I can see if someone has blocked me or deleted. (Yes you can tell other ways too.).

In the past I've made a dummy, unfunded SB account just to read men's profiles to see what the competition puts out there. Very enlightening; I recommend it.

[QUOTE=Bran001;4925157]I have a second account (not funded) just so I can see if someone has blocked me or deleted. (Yes you can tell other ways too.).

In the past I've made a dummy, unfunded SB account just to read men's profiles to see what the competition puts out there. Very enlightening; I recommend it.[/QUOTE]Was the competition stiff?

The below is not working. Are there any work around to read messages on seeking?

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3939986]I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shyzai;4925197]Was the competition stiff?[/QUOTE]I've had SB's log in and show me what things look like on there end. As you'd expect there are more profiles than they could ever hope to search through, and most of them are real bad. But a few are seemingly actual millionaires use the site (Diamond status is actually used). A lot of the "stiff competition" are married guys who make low 6 figures. Then there was a surprising number of scam accounts. Trying to collect personal information for identity theft etc. And a shit ton of accounts of men who clearly have no social skills or money or anything to offer at all. But there they are.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;4925257]The below is not working. Are there any work around to read messages on seeking?[/QUOTE]This is long gone, and that was posted on the thread when it happened. No, there is no workaround other than to pay for membership.

I'm a long-time member and have only made a few comments, but thought I'd chime in on a few I have input on.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/33d57ca5-da62-4447-8d82-ac44d6ad4d3d[/URL]

She is real and her pictures are legit. Met for coffee and had some car action on date one--two BBBJ, which were fantastic! Date two met at a local hotel. Damage was $$. She's definitely freaky and will try anything. She loves to give oral, was open to greek and rimming. Downside is she's really annoying and very clingy. I didn't text for a couple days and she freaked out on me. So that was the end of that.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1d1c6b08-682f-4a47-8223-958fd302baae[/URL]

Got to texting this one and she is down to earth and easy to talk to. Downside is she has major GPS. Said she was asking $1,000 per. Continued to talk just because and finally said it's too much and she said she'd do $500. That's still high, but she may come down further. Absolutely gorgeous though IMO.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/60be9092-563d-4ff4-b592-31ee61b195b2[/URL]

Used to have an arrangement with this one. She has a place in the fan and can host. She's a teacher and is off for the summer so plenty of availability. Damage was $. 5 Everything was on the table, including a threesome, which was interesting although I didn't take advantage. Ended it because the experience was just eh. Not terrible, but not really that great either.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f14e8091-7d90-47b4-b45f-a5a4c977d23a[/URL]

Met her for coffee and the conversation was great and easy flowing. Scheduled a second date at her place and we hung out in the living room. She is petite--like super petite! She has a townhouse in Glen Allen, which is nice, although I think she's moving. Ended up going FS for $. 5. Didn't discuss before hand, that's just what I left. She's decent, likes it rough and loves being slapped. Third date was again at her place over lunch, but up in her room, this was DISGUSTING. Just a complete mess with junk everywhere, dead flowers, half eaten food, dirty kitty litter boxes. I finished and got the hell out of there and haven't been back.

I've been doing this for about 8 years now and haven't really participated on this board much after SM I gave input to on someone went to that person and told them about what was said--needless to say she wasn't happy. Since I'm taking a break from SA, I figure I'll go ahead and post some of my experiences for others since I don't care if anything gets back to them. I'll update as I see others I've had experiences with pop up on recently active.

[QUOTE=Shyzai;4925197]Was the competition stiff?[/QUOTE]The competition is weak. The problems are the sheer number of men on there, that dozens of men message each women, and that a very high percentage of the men are creeps or scammers or bots. It's hard for the women to filter for the good guys there. So for every good connection a guy makes, there were very likely other women who just lost you in the shuffle of creepy messages and outright scammer messages.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;4925257]The below is not working. Are there any work around to read messages on seeking?[/QUOTE]No, the SA developers finally wised up and stopped sending that extra info a few months ago. I haven't seen anything similar since then.

[QUOTE=Bran001;4927129]The competition is weak. The problems are the sheer number of men on there, that dozens of men message each women, and that a very high percentage of the men are creeps or scammers or bots. It's hard for the women to filter for the good guys there. So for every good connection a guy makes, there were very likely other women who just lost you in the shuffle of creepy messages and outright scammer messages.[/QUOTE]Wow. Thank you. Very good insight. That also means that the website is making lots of money from men since only premium and diamond daddies can chat with the ladies. They are probably making millions per month!

Hey all! I don't know if this girl is just trying to do online only or is underage.

SugarrrPrincesssRVA - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/29cd36dd-5ce6-4477-b3d6-c4f695c8c16a[/URL].

Messaged her the other day and she almost immediately sent her # so we could text.

Her profile says she can host so the impression is she is down to meet but her 1st text she asked if I wanted to Facetime. I was busy at the time and told her that I wasn't looking for online but would be happy to Facetime when I was free if that made her comfortable. She said she'd be around and we texted a bit in the meantime. What I was expecting was that she would ask for $ to Facetime and that would be the end of it.

So when I was free I texted but told her that since her profile says she is 19 and she looks pretty young that before we went any further I wanted her to send a pic of her I'd. I told her she could black everything out except the picture and DOB. I wasn't trying to find out who she was or where she lives, just verifying that she is over 18.

Silence. Haven't heard anything from her since.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;4927184]No, the SA developers finally wised up and stopped sending that extra info a few months ago. I haven't seen anything similar since then.[/QUOTE]They have to pay you for your penetration testing efforts.

[QUOTE=Bran001;4925157]I have a second account (not funded) just so I can see if someone has blocked me or deleted. (Yes you can tell other ways too.).

In the past I've made a dummy, unfunded SB account just to read men's profiles to see what the competition puts out there. Very enlightening; I recommend it.[/QUOTE]With respect to having a second, unfunded account to see if someone blocked or deleted you, you can actually sign up for SA with a completely made up email and then skip through all the profile set up steps and then see all the SBs. You don't need to verify an email to just check SBs one off. It's basically a burner profile that you use once and are done. Just a thought. But having one you can sign into repeatedly works too. Just thought I'd throw that out there if anyone didn't want to go through the process of setting up an entirely new account. The same is true from the SB side if you want to see the competition.

[QUOTE=JdMannric;4928237]With respect to having a second, unfunded account to see if someone blocked or deleted you, you can actually sign up for SA with a completely made up email and then skip through all the profile set up steps and then see all the SBs. You don't need to verify an email to just check SBs one off. It's basically a burner profile that you use once and are done. Just a thought. But having one you can sign into repeatedly works too. Just thought I'd throw that out there if anyone didn't want to go through the process of setting up an entirely new account. The same is true from the SB side if you want to see the competition.[/QUOTE]I have got discounted offers from SA while using fake accounts. It was many months later but saved me 30 bucks a few times and a fresh go at the ladies.

I'd be killing it if I lived in Venezuela or The Philippines. Lol

[QUOTE=VetSD;4870137]I can think of a lot more fun things to do than mess with girls who are obviously desperate for money during a pandemic. My time is precious. I'll talk to them briefly, and if we can't make it happen, I make other plans. Some men make this site their whole life and only form of entertainment. There's a big beautiful world out there, and it's summertime, what's better than that? It's just a pastime, not an obsession.[/QUOTE]Those aren't girls, they're dudes in a boiler room in India running a version of the same scam. That's why the script is so consistent, and the English usually so bad.

If someone wants to waste a little of their time and slow them down in finding the suckers who are gullible enough to believe they are talking to a real girl, in their town, who has any intent of meeting them, then more power to them. They are doing a public service.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ec2e72-a3ae-40e2-baae-b753184c5836[/URL] - not her first rodeo. Well versed in ppm. Wanting $450 to drive to Cville. I get the extra $100 for the travel time, but have other options that don't expect the surcharge. Main pic thighs look a little too slim for an "average" build, especially compared to photo she texted.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/330c8a90-33ee-4647-b88e-1e17577098e8[/URL] -- killer rack and great legs. 9-5 worker, so that doesn't work for my sked, but seems DTF.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4933367][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ec2e72-a3ae-40e2-baae-b753184c5836[/URL] - not her first rodeo. Well versed in ppm. Wanting $450 to drive to Cville. I get the extra $100 for the travel time, but have other options that don't expect the surcharge. Main pic thighs look a little too slim for an "average" build, especially compared to photo she texted.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/330c8a90-33ee-4647-b88e-1e17577098e8[/URL] -- killer rack and great legs. 9-5 worker, so that doesn't work for my sked, but seems DTF.[/QUOTE]The pictures are deceptive. It's unfortunate. She has a very pretty face, is very cool, and does have tig ol bitties. But she's sneaky fat. Hey legs and face don't hint at the tremendous midsection. I would guess she's pushing 225 lbs. $200 ppm was what allowed me to go through with the deal. Won't see her again though.

Not that I don't believe you, I'm just shocked by looking at the photos and curious where in the world could she could be hiding 225 lbs at?

[QUOTE=HarveyB347;4933625]The pictures are deceptive. It's unfortunate. She has a very pretty face, is very cool, and does have tig ol bitties. But she's sneaky fat. Hey legs and face don't hint at the tremendous midsection. I would guess she's pushing 225 lbs. $200 ppm was what allowed me to go through with the deal. Won't see her again though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VAGuy13;4933961]Not that I don't believe you, I'm just shocked by looking at the photos and curious where in the world could she could be hiding 225 lbs at?[/QUOTE]She may have gained weight since that picture. She's definitely sucking it in in that picture and I may be bad estimator of actual weight. Imagine Gru in despicable me.

[QUOTE=HarveyB347;4933625]The pictures are deceptive. It's unfortunate. She has a very pretty face, is very cool, and does have tig ol bitties. But she's sneaky fat. Hey legs and face don't hint at the tremendous midsection. I would guess she's pushing 225 lbs. $200 ppm was what allowed me to go through with the deal. Won't see her again though.[/QUOTE]Angles are everything. Average is always dicey and with nice legs, it means it needs to be somewhere.

Anything outstanding about the per; formance / menu?

I tried to rtff but didn't see anything on her. Anyone got anything on her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/46d5443f-4654-4851-9d54-e47e3e18c0b9[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/70458c1e-71e7-48bb-8bbb-86f5672fcedc[/URL] Says this is not her first rodeo. Nice combo of GND face and edgy wild thing body and look. Hoping appetites match the latter.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4936719][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/70458c1e-71e7-48bb-8bbb-86f5672fcedc[/URL] Says this is not her first rodeo. Nice combo of GND face and edgy wild thing body and look. Hoping appetites match the latter.[/QUOTE]I was texting back and forth and she quoted me 1 k. I politely passed. There may have been some room for negotiation.

[QUOTE=Rosine;4936526]I tried to rtff but didn't see anything on her. Anyone got anything on her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/46d5443f-4654-4851-9d54-e47e3e18c0b9[/URL][/QUOTE]Look familiar?

[URL]http://richmond.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/outcalls-onlyblonde-petite-tig/451966720951[/URL]

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4936719][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/70458c1e-71e7-48bb-8bbb-86f5672fcedc[/URL] Says this is not her first rodeo. Nice combo of GND face and edgy wild thing body and look. Hoping appetites match the latter.[/QUOTE]She told me she typically gets between 700-1000 per date. From my communication with her it seems she may go as low as 500, maybe. I declined and kept on moving. I don't know who's shelling out that kinda money, but god bless them.

[QUOTE=Tidad;4936920]Look familiar?

[URL]http://richmond.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/outcalls-onlyblonde-petite-tig/451966720951[/URL][/QUOTE]Pictures are off by 10 years and 30 pounds.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4936978]She told me she typically gets between 700-1000 per date. From my communication with her it seems she may go as low as 500, maybe. I declined and kept on moving. I don't know who's shelling out that kinda money, but god bless them.[/QUOTE]She told me $1 k per week allowance. And that she isn't like the others on this site -- she is educated and can have intelligent conversations in addition to having a hot ass.

Like my last RVA SB didn't have a masters nor was she incredibly delightful on every level, nor did she let me do whatever I wanted to that ridiculous body of hers for $300 a visit, no commitments.

Guess I'm missing out.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4938412]She told me $1 k per week allowance. And that she isn't like the others on this site -- she is educated and can have intelligent conversations in addition to having a hot ass.

Like my last RVA SB didn't have a masters nor was she incredibly delightful on every level, nor did she let me do whatever I wanted to that ridiculous body of hers for $300 a visit, no commitments.

Guess I'm missing out.[/QUOTE]This is actually what she told me: " My average allowance is 700-1000/ week for one intimate date a week. " I just got out of a 1-1/2 year arrangement with a SB that was just as hot and let me do almost everything I wanted to her. That arrangement was for 300 ppm. I still see a MILF that I met on SA and she will let me do everything for 200 ppm, and she's very attractive.

She's hot, but no one is that hot.

Why is it that the women with the highest GPS are the least deserving? I wouldn't date this one for free, let alone pay 700-1000 per week!

I sugar date to date women I can't vanilla date. I wouldn't even vanilla date this one.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4938512]This is actually what she told me: " My average allowance is 700-1000/ week for one intimate date a week. " I just got out of a 1-1/2 year arrangement with a SB that was just as hot and let me do almost everything I wanted to her. That arrangement was for 300 ppm. I still see a MILF that I met on SA and she will let me do everything for 200 ppm, and she's very attractive.

She's hot, but no one is that hot.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ebac0c25-da16-40e2-ae09-f61980611e94[/URL]

Not her first rodeo. WFH. Can't get too many specifics off her so far.

Love her look, though.

Just texted her, see what happens. Says marriage minded though.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4939756][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ebac0c25-da16-40e2-ae09-f61980611e94[/URL]

Not her first rodeo. WFH. Can't get too many specifics off her so far.

Love her look, though.[/QUOTE].

Another scammer. Says she can host downtown, but will only do google pay since she pays all bills online. Offered cash and said she can deposit in account to pay online.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7c69f25b-f30e-4665-9f19-c2190e1ac0da[/URL]

General question for you. I always see you guys reviewing gals on SA, but never see anything about SB. Is that site no good? Inquiring minds.

[QUOTE=LightUUp;4943986]General question for you. I always see you guys reviewing gals on SA, but never see anything about SB. Is that site no good? Inquiring minds.[/QUOTE]People have talked about it. Seems to be mostly bots. Also SA is the only one that gets any mainstream media coverage that pulls in the new curious girls.

[QUOTE=LightUUp;4943986]General question for you. I always see you guys reviewing gals on SA, but never see anything about SB. Is that site no good? Inquiring minds.[/QUOTE]Personally, I have not had much luck on SB. You pay for credits and have to spend credits to unlock convos with girls. I had plenty of girls message me, but strangely enough, they went silent after I spent the credits to unlock the conversation (even after the message supposedly being read). Feels rather scammy.

[QUOTE=Kurrozava;4944009]Personally, I have not had much luck on SB. You pay for credits and have to spend credits to unlock convos with girls. I had plenty of girls message me, but strangely enough, they went silent after I spent the credits to unlock the conversation (even after the message supposedly being read). Feels rather scammy.[/QUOTE]Exactly!! Two different types of business model for those sites! SA has a high per month fee and is selling access to its large pool of girls. SB charges you 'credits' to start or respond to a message. So in essence all SB has to sell is "credits. " No indication of how large its pool is. There is another site that operates like that and by the default settings they send you emails highlighting who is new, who viewed you and who might be interested. Their whole goal is to get you to spend your credits so you'll buy more!

So there is nothing stopping a "pay for credits" site operator from creating fake profiles and emailing you. Again, to get you to spend credits so they can sell more. It is a flawed system as dudes become suspicious and stingy on who they reply to. Fewer replies, fewer opportunities for the girls and this leads to less girls. Any girl signing up on SA gets a deluge of email replies so she knows the site 'works', she just has to sort through the idiots. An SB girl likely gets fewer replies so is more inclined to spend her time elsewhere.

Yes, one can have success on SB, just have different expectations.