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[QUOTE=AbuSaho;6073153]I saw one provider come out of retirement as a BBW type of provider.

These are two of her ads from 2019. She was in shape back then.
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/slim-thick-good-girl-gone-bad/18154528[/URL]
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/brooklyns-favorite-snow-bunny-is-back-for-48-hours-only/23076842[/URL]

This is her when she came back she gained a lot of weight.
[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/angel-is-back-limited-time-cum-enjoy-me-while-you-can/46622664[/URL]

Will include a before and after pics for anyone that doesn't want to click links. Apparently she got locked up on drug charges. But when I saw her she doubled her rates and offered less. In 2019 she was alright with 60/80/120. BBJ was included now her rates when I saw her that day was 120/160/250 BBJ was extra. In 2019 she wasnt a clock watcher and had no issue switching positions. When I repeated with her a couple months ago she rushed and didnt want to do anything other than missionary.

That encounter turned out to be another example of how the hobby has fallen off in my experiences. I used to think maybe it was me being picky with the options on the sites these days. Back in 2019 I could find a provider I wanted to do a session with within 3 hours of lurking/screening. And 9/10 experiences are great. Nowadays there are days I find no one worth it. After repeating with Angel in her comeback from retirement I realize it isnt me. The options are worse now compared to just 3 years ago. Its like shrinkflation. The providers I come across are charging more for less than they used too. Now it is 1/10 experiences are positive when I do this.[/QUOTE]I think the root of the problem right now is that anyone who's attractive and will give you a good session is on Tryst or Private Delights with rates of $500/ hour and up (and mostly up). But check reviews before pulling the trigger because there are some bad ones there too. STG and Listcrawler has a mix of fake / scam ads, ugly women and junkies who I don't want to see. And the few that are decent everything is extra to the point that you're paying for the high end Tryst girl by the time you get what you want in a less attractive package. Bedpage and the like are 90% AMPs and not much else. At this point I'm taking a break. I'm bored with the AMPs and unwilling to pay the rates that the women I'm interested in are charging. I'll just spend more time picking up women in bars or something.

[QUOTE=FarRockQueens;6073215]Yeah man it's crazy right now & how often you go to cdps? Just wondering cause that's the only thing that's left.[/QUOTE]I been to ones in other boroughs. With the Brooklyn ones I been to they get raided too fast. Maybe what ruins their lifespan is the women werent nobodies. Or that they had lines waiting outside the house. Those Queens/Bronx CDPs tend to have random immigrants from Central / South America. The ones I went to in BK featured Russian/Eastern Europeans. The providers made small talk with me and one provider mentioned she competed for Russia at the Tokyo Olympics last year. And that her career might be over since Russia might be banned from all international sporting events. I went to a different one and provider said she was a Serbia politician's daughter. I tried to come back to see that Olympic athlete again but place was shut down.

My big regret is not taking the athlete number. She asked me to give her my phone so she could type her number into it. And Im so ruined by this hobby I didnt trust giving her my phone. So I just said text me from the number I set up meeting. And that ended up being the last time I saw her.

[QUOTE=BrooklynMatt;6073627]I think the root of the problem right now is that anyone who's attractive and will give you a good session is on Tryst or Private Delights with rates of $500/ hour and up (and mostly up). But check reviews before pulling the trigger because there are some bad ones there too. STG and Listcrawler has a mix of fake / scam ads, ugly women and junkies who I don't want to see. And the few that are decent everything is extra to the point that you're paying for the high end Tryst girl by the time you get what you want in a less attractive package. Bedpage and the like are 90% AMPs and not much else. At this point I'm taking a break. I'm bored with the AMPs and unwilling to pay the rates that the women I'm interested in are charging. I'll just spend more time picking up women in bars or something.[/QUOTE]Its to the point where these hoes are blocking and taking offense for even asking if they provide extras. Theyre out of their damn minds. And what's up with some of them having standard incall rates and tripling those same rates for outcalls? And STILL demanding ubers be paid for. Seems like they are trying to lure mongers to go to their locations. I always stay clear of those kind of providers.

[QUOTE=BrooklynMatt;6073627]I think the root of the problem right now is that anyone who's attractive and will give you a good session is on Tryst or Private Delights with rates of $500/ hour and up (and mostly up). But check reviews before pulling the trigger because there are some bad ones there too. STG and Listcrawler has a mix of fake / scam ads, ugly women and junkies who I don't want to see. And the few that are decent everything is extra to the point that you're paying for the high end Tryst girl by the time you get what you want in a less attractive package. Bedpage and the like are 90% AMPs and not much else. At this point I'm taking a break. I'm bored with the AMPs and unwilling to pay the rates that the women I'm interested in are charging. I'll just spend more time picking up women in bars or something.[/QUOTE]Yea you pretty much summed up my experiences with the sites. I just don't know what happened other than COVID to kill off the supply of providers that charged between $70-200 on STG / listcrawler. It used to be like every week there were dozens of new women. Now when I lurk STG, Listcrawler, and Bedpage it be the same like 25 women over and over in each borough section.

[QUOTE=TrueSilentStar;6073870]Its to the point where these hoes are blocking and taking offense for even asking if they provide extras. Theyre out of their damn minds. And what's up with some of them having standard incall rates and tripling those same rates for outcalls? And STILL demanding ubers be paid for. Seems like they are trying to lure mongers to go to their locations. I always stay clear of those kind of providers.[/QUOTE]My favorite is how many providers don't offer MSOG in the hour. Where they basically tell on themselves if you do a ss/hh they will rush.

Yea it is a different era these days with outcall. The escorts have to choose either the flat rate for outcall is lets say 50-100 higher than their incall. Or the outcall rate is same as incall but the compromise is client pays for their transportation only to them but not back home. I dont know how the escorts of this era got both the higher flat rate for outcall and clients having to pay transportation both ways. It makes no sense to make any form of contact once they leave your apt. Once they have the donation that excuse they have no money to pay for train/cab is gone. If it was the reverse and we are leaving their incall they dont care how we get home.

[QUOTE=TrueSilentStar;6073870]Its to the point where these hoes are blocking and taking offense for even asking if they provide extras. Theyre out of their damn minds. And what's up with some of them having standard incall rates and tripling those same rates for outcalls? And STILL demanding ubers be paid for. Seems like they are trying to lure mongers to go to their locations. I always stay clear of those kind of providers.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's like if you say one thing they'll block you yo these new women got to get off this earth or in a coma fuck these new dumb hoes.

Would I would say is wait until someone TOFTT and see if he writes a review, if its good and than you good, if you see no reviews, don't take that chance, if she is top provider, she will have a social media, website and link to her review page as she knows she is a business and a business will have reviews so she can still get more business herself.

[QUOTE=FarRockQueens;6074357]Yeah it's like if you say one thing they'll block you yo these new women got to get off this earth or in a coma fuck these new dumb hoes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StevenMike;6075911]Would I would say is wait until someone TOFTT and see if he writes a review, if its good and than you good, if you see no reviews, don't take that chance, if she is top provider, she will have a social media, website and link to her review page as she knows she is a business and a business will have reviews so she can still get more business herself.[/QUOTE]The issue with that is less people are posting on these forums let alone TOFTT and putting their money on the line these days. It is a bit of a site wide issue for this forum not picking on Brooklyn section. So lets say an area such as Brooklyn has 400 providers making ads across the various escort sites and social media on a given day. Maybe about 50 have reviews. The reviews on this site are helpful but they often only scratch the surface.

There are times I see providers come out of retirement or just looking for second opinions to stuff and when I search this forum I see the only mention of a providers existence was a review I made a couple years ago.

Another issue we dont discuss is how many old reviews are useless either because the site the ad was on got shutdown (Cityxguide, backpage, craigslist personals, Switter, etc). Or the provider themselves deleted the ad for various reasons. Two of them being they retired from this career or they have bad reviews so they deleted ad and just use a different number.

[QUOTE=TrueSilentStar;6073870]Its to the point where these hoes are blocking and taking offense for even asking if they provide extras. Theyre out of their damn minds. And what's up with some of them having standard incall rates and tripling those same rates for outcalls? And STILL demanding ubers be paid for. Seems like they are trying to lure mongers to go to their locations. I always stay clear of those kind of providers.[/QUOTE]The ones that are blocking people just for asking extras, raw, GFE. It makes no sense from a business standpoint. If you in this to make money, blocking someone is stupid. A simple no will be just fine. A lot of guys will just say, ok cool let me pay for a regular session, in which case you're still making money, as apposed to blocking someone like an idiot where you just lost a client. The ones that block guys for asking are serious, but from years of experience. Most of them that say no to these extras don't really mean no, what they're really saying is "I don't think you can afford my price". If you can prove them wrong, they will do these extras.

I've noticed that a few providers have started to not include a basic BJ with service apparently that's extra now too.

[QUOTE=Slayer47;6078270]The ones that are blocking people just for asking extras, raw, GFE. It makes no sense from a business standpoint. If you in this to make money, blocking someone is stupid. A simple no will be just fine. A lot of guys will just say, ok cool let me pay for a regular session, in which case you're still making money, as apposed to blocking someone like an idiot where you just lost a client. The ones that block guys for asking are serious, but from years of experience. Most of them that say no to these extras don't really mean no, what they're really saying is "I don't think you can afford my price". If you can prove them wrong, they will do these extras.[/QUOTE]Its probably more complicated than that.

Theres some providers that have a no tolerance policy for a reason, whether theyve had a bad experience with people who ask for those extras due to 'don't take no for an answer' attitudes, to bad experiences with poor hygene on the monger's part. If theyve caught something before than theyre probably not going to trust people who want that type or service since theyre asking for risky behavior right off the bat.

Bottom line tho, if its the first time contacting them they don't kknow you, so just come correct. Also, if you're asking for explicit services through txt that's also kind of a red flag because that's what cops be doing as a form of entrapment. Theres really no risk for them in blocking a number because theres always going to be another customer. Mongers are everywhere and its really their call who they want to see or not. Do t act like your 60 or 100 bucks are hard to come by.

[QUOTE=Hedon39;6079124] Mongers are everywhere and its really their call who they want to see or not. Do t act like your 60 or 100 bucks are hard to come by.[/QUOTE]The economy ain't that good right now, plus a common complaint with these chicks is that they have to go through a long list of time wasters, no shows, and "window shoppers" in the business. So yeah, sometimes that money is hard to come by. But I get your point.

[QUOTE=DoitLive990;6078980]I've noticed that a few providers have started to not include a basic BJ with service apparently that's extra now too.[/QUOTE]This has also been one of my last straws. I had a chick not even mention it in the ad and showed up for an outcall at a hotel I was staying at for business. Then after I paid her and put the rubber on she tells me she doesn't suck dick and if I wanted that I had to pay an extra 50. It pissed me off but I already had a resolution in mind. Since I paid her already I pounded the fuck out of her and got my nut then the next morning I disputed the whole payment with my bank (used cashapp) and got the money back LOL. Didn't care if my Cashapp got suspended either but they didn't. The chick was blowing my burner up threatening me LOL.

She took her ad down immediately after and I deleted that burner so I can't track down an ad to post and let everyone know to stay clear but yes that is a new thing they are doing. I'm so fed up with the way these broads are slaughtering the hobby.

[QUOTE=TrueSilentStar;6080491]This has also been one of my last straws. I had a chick not even mention it in the ad and showed up for an outcall at a hotel I was staying at for business. Then after I paid her and put the rubber on she tells me she doesn't suck dick and if I wanted that I had to pay an extra 50. It pissed me off but I already had a resolution in mind. Since I paid her already I pounded the fuck out of her and got my nut then the next morning I disputed the whole payment with my bank (used cashapp) and got the money back LOL. Didn't care if my Cashapp got suspended either but they didn't. The chick was blowing my burner up threatening me LOL.

She took her ad down immediately after and I deleted that burner so I can't track down an ad to post and let everyone know to stay clear but yes that is a new thing they are doing. I'm so fed up with the way these broads are slaughtering the hobby.[/QUOTE]So you robbed the chick by doing a charge back on your donation? WTF. This is why it is the standard for mongers have to pay the cash upfront before anything starts due to stuff like that.

There was a poster in another section that went to an AMP got the service and paid at the end. Their rate was $300 but he gave $80 and walked out pushing the mama-san to the floor as she argued with him on the way out. These bad experiences the providers deal with probably leads to the poor service or no lists that mongers that come after have to face.

[QUOTE=Hedon39;6079124]Its probably more complicated than that.

Theres some providers that have a no tolerance policy for a reason, whether theyve had a bad experience with people who ask for those extras due to 'don't take no for an answer' attitudes, to bad experiences with poor hygene on the monger's part. If theyve caught something before than theyre probably not going to trust people who want that type or service since theyre asking for risky behavior right off the bat.

Bottom line tho, if its the first time contacting them they don't kknow you, so just come correct. Also, if you're asking for explicit services through txt that's also kind of a red flag because that's what cops be doing as a form of entrapment. Theres really no risk for them in blocking a number because theres always going to be another customer. Mongers are everywhere and its really their call who they want to see or not. Do t act like your 60 or 100 bucks are hard to come by.[/QUOTE]Yea. Mongers are everywhere and depending on their rates they only need like 3-15 regulars and they are set for their bills / expenses. There are providers that just openly cut out age groups and races from the pool they will see. I have seen no one under 30 from older providers. And no one over 35 from younger providers as a couple of age group restrictions.

What has worked for me is seeing a provider 1-2 times and then asking for extras. They are often more willing to negotiate lower rates as well in my experiences. I think it is due to after I see them they have a better idea what to expect and feel more comfortable with a regular that is repeating than a new client who they have no idea what to expect. So they often drop many from their no list just to see me again.

[QUOTE=AbuSaho;6080717]So you robbed the chick by doing a charge back on your donation? WTF. This is why it is the standard for mongers have to pay the cash upfront before anything starts due to stuff like that.

There was a poster in another section that went to an AMP got the service and paid at the end. Their rate was $300 but he gave $80 and walked out pushing the mama-san to the floor as she argued with him on the way out. These bad experiences the providers deal with probably leads to the poor service or no lists that mongers that come after have to face.[/QUOTE]Getting my money back after paying for a service and being denied it after payment is not robbery. You sound like captain save a hoe like these broads don't do us 10 x worse. She had a horrible attitude and acknowledged that her ad was misleading. If you paid a retailer for a pair of shoes and a hat and only got the shoes and they refused to give your money back you would chargeback with your bank as well. But sure go ahead and make me seem like some scumbag and the only reason for hoes charging upfront. Get a grip.