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[QUOTE=PVenkman;3780792]I feel like trends in AMPs are changing from 2010. Back then their were more young girls and different girls were in and out all the time. Now the same girls stay for years it seems. Also if we got dfk or BBBJ that was something out of the ordinary, nevermind BBFS which I was offered three times out of about 20 girls. Also, I feel the time is being cut down 10-15 minutes per session as compared to back then. Anyone have any opinions on what I wrote?[/QUOTE]I agree, seems couple AMPs close, it takes a while for New ones to pop up.

Notice same ol gals too staying longer at AMPs, not like before.

Same with Massage Therapists, thinking sum left as to change of career.

I agree on cut down of time too, it's like 35-45 minutes.

Hopefully new fresh faces come around soon.

Hono1.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3782395]Here's a thought. Maybe the reason why there's no rotation of younger girls is because they know they can make more going to straight to LA, SFO, Chicago or NYC, and they know they'll have to do less work. You guys are pretty adamant about holding your line at how much you'll pay for the tip and what you expect from it (GFE / PSE), but that rate hasn't gone up, as best I can tell, since the '90's.

Great for you, but there's not much incentive for some new girl with better options. So it's not that the girls that come back do it because they love Hawaii so much, they know they can make a good living, and because the AMPs in those other cities won't hire them because they're older and they have a lock on the younger pussy.

It's supply and demand, and how much you can get for a perishable product (young pussy). Also do you really think these girls don't talk?[/QUOTE]Well put your absolutely right.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3782395]Here's a thought. Maybe the reason why there's no rotation of younger girls is because they know they can make more going to straight to LA, SFO, Chicago or NYC, and they know they'll have to do less work. You guys are pretty adamant about holding your line at how much you'll pay for the tip and what you expect from it (GFE / PSE), but that rate hasn't gone up, as best I can tell, since the '90's.

Great for you, but there's not much incentive for some new girl with better options. So it's not that the girls that come back do it because they love Hawaii so much, they know they can make a good living, and because the AMPs in those other cities won't hire them because they're older and they have a lock on the younger pussy.

It's supply and demand, and how much you can get for a perishable product (young pussy). Also do you really think these girls don't talk?[/QUOTE]House fees and provider fees have gone up over the years. Back then YMMV of course but in the 90's it was a $30-$40 house fee and then another $80-$100 to the provider. Then in the early 2000's it changed to $40-$50 house fee and $100-$120 for the provider. Now for the past 10 years or so we've been holding pretty steadfast at $50-$60 HF and average $150 more or less depending on service.

I think we're losing a lot of would be working girls to technology. Seems like a lot of them nowadays are doing WebCams and fishing for sugar daddy's. They're making a good living off of that and don't need to work in the AMPs and strip clubs anymore.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3782395]Here's a thought. Maybe the reason why there's no rotation of younger girls is because they know they can make more going to straight to LA, SFO, Chicago or NYC, and they know they'll have to do less work. You guys are pretty adamant about holding your line at how much you'll pay for the tip and what you expect from it (GFE / PSE), but that rate hasn't gone up, as best I can tell, since the '90's.

Great for you, but there's not much incentive for some new girl with better options. So it's not that the girls that come back do it because they love Hawaii so much, they know they can make a good living, and because the AMPs in those other cities won't hire them because they're older and they have a lock on the younger pussy.

It's supply and demand, and how much you can get for a perishable product (young pussy). Also do you really think these girls don't talk?[/QUOTE]You are right my friend, several mamas told me girls are reluctant to come here and Texas because of the pressure to BB, kiss and long fuck time. Most AMP in the mainland are all covered, no kissing and one and done. They make on average $200 plus per customer but the mainland has stricter immigration enforcement then Hawaii.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3782395]Here's a thought. Maybe the reason why there's no rotation of younger girls is because they know they can make more going to straight to LA, SFO, Chicago or NYC, and they know they'll have to do less work. You guys are pretty adamant about holding your line at how much you'll pay for the tip and what you expect from it (GFE / PSE), but that rate hasn't gone up, as best I can tell, since the '90's.

Great for you, but there's not much incentive for some new girl with better options. So it's not that the girls that come back do it because they love Hawaii so much, they know they can make a good living, and because the AMPs in those other cities won't hire them because they're older and they have a lock on the younger pussy.

It's supply and demand, and how much you can get for a perishable product (young pussy). Also do you really think these girls don't talk?[/QUOTE]"Great for you, but there's not much incentive for some new girl with better options. " Exactly. Hit the nail on the head. Economics.

[QUOTE=ExitOnly;3782458]You are right my friend, several mamas told me girls are reluctant to come here and Texas because of the pressure to BB, kiss and long fuck time. Most AMP in the mainland are all covered, no kissing and one and done. They make on average $200 plus per customer but the mainland has stricter immigration enforcement then Hawaii.[/QUOTE]Does that mean the mainland get the hottest of providers because they get paid better and have better working conditions? The mainland is the major league and we in Honolulu has just below in talent. So, the providers here have to use performing enhancement BB in order to get into the Big Show on the mainland. We have the European League basketball talent where the top providers can get paid as much as the bench players on the US mainland. The mainland is the AMP or Association of Mainland Providers. The best and the hottest providers go to the mainland USA from all over. That means more competition for just so many spots and rich guys to go around. Recruiting sounds like you want a younger hire. Maybe that's why we have providers in their 30's or 40's here who look like they are in their 20's. I can live with that.

[QUOTE=Memahu;3782572]So, the providers here have to use performing enhancement BB in order to get into the Big Show on the mainland.[/QUOTE]Nope. Your analogy is wrong. Like I said, most of the girls in the AMPs here are in their 30's and 40's. None of the AMPs in the mainland, especially in the big cities, want them because they're too old. They have the 20-somethings cycling in and out who are used to covered-everything, one pop, no kissing customers, and according to the other members, they make more than the girls who work here.

[QUOTE=Memahu;3782572]Maybe that's why we have providers in their 30's or 40's here who look like they are in their 20's. I can live with that.[/QUOTE](Shrugs) Ok. That's great for you.

But what you have to understand is that the way things work in Hawaii is unique in the US. In big cities, AMPs are a smaller part of the overall sex business. Yes, most of them are the places you'd go if you want to get an Asian girl, but there's massage parlors that also feature Latin and Russian girls. Sometimes they're under the same roof, so it's not so much an AMP as it is just an MP. And unlike Hawaii, massage parlors aren't considered where the top-tier girls are.

Most of this sort of work is done by girls who work out of motels and hotels. Take a look at the BP listings in LA, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Tampa, New York and you'll see all kinds of girls work out of motels and hotels, including the FOB Asians that you'd find at the AMPs here. Where lived in LA, you could get a motel room for about $80 a night, and it wouldn't be a bad place. That's less than the house fee of two appointments at an AMP ($100 to $120) in Hawaii. Using Priceline or HotelTonight, a girl could get a room at a place in West Hollywood for less than four appointments at an AMP ($200 to $240) so if they wanted $200 an hour, they'd make enough to cover the night with one appointment, plus they wouldn't be sharing the place with six other girls. But rooms outside of Waikiki are rare, and there's no way you're getting anything for $80 a night. That's what I'm getting at.

This thread was started by someone noticing that there was a distinct lack of new talent coming through Honolulu and the same girls were showing up in the massage parlors here. If you scroll through the BP ads and the reports here, you'll see the same faces over and over again. I get it. For most guys, including myself, there's no pussy like new pussy. I doubt this place is going to attract much in the way of new girls because of what the guys here are willing to pay, what they expect and just the high cost of everything here, however.

These girls are going to whatever cities they're working out of, including Honolulu, for the sole purpose of making as much money as they can. I think with some people (but I don't think you're one of them, Memahu) incorrectly think the girls are coming here because they like the men or they fell in love with Hawaii.

[QUOTE=Ez808;3782450]I think we're losing a lot of would be working girls to technology. Seems like a lot of them nowadays are doing WebCams and fishing for sugar daddy's. They're making a good living off of that and don't need to work in the AMPs and strip clubs anymore.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure about that. I agree that technology's changed things, but this also means it's a hell of a lot easier for a girl who works to find clients through sites like these and BP, rather than just standing on a corner for hours. Less exposure to the police and need for "management". That being said, Hawaii's a lousy place for indies touring from the mainland because of how expensive the rooms are in Waikiki (and let's face it the Marina Inn is a dump where you'll probably be stabbed, and good luck getting anyone to go out to Kapolei and Koolina), how expensive things are in Hawaii and how much the guys here are willing to pay.

I've been told that many times by girls who've come through. I've been told that by a girl who is based here and commands a pretty good rate, but who gets that rate by doing almost all her work touring on the mainland.

And really, "sugarbabies" are really hookers who are half-assing it, or who just tell themselves that so they can sleep at night.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3782778]I'm not so sure about that. I agree that technology's changed things, but this also means it's a hell of a lot easier for a girl who works to find clients through sites like these and BP, rather than just standing on a corner for hours. Less exposure to the police and need for "management". That being said, Hawaii's a lousy place for indies touring from the mainland because of how expensive the rooms are in Waikiki (and let's face it the Marina Inn is a dump where you'll probably be stabbed, and good luck getting anyone to go out to Kapolei and Koolina), how expensive things are in Hawaii and how much the guys here are willing to pay.

I've been told that many times by girls who've come through. I've been told that by a girl who is based here and commands a pretty good rate, but who gets that rate by doing almost all her work touring on the mainland.

And really, "sugarbabies" are really hookers who are half-assing it, or who just tell themselves that so they can sleep at night.[/QUOTE]I know some girls return to work here as law enforcement in general ignores this stuff except a few raids a year. It's more comfortable to work here in that aspect. Although it is more difficult with demanding customers expecting bareback services which has chased away many young providers unfortunately. I've been told some guys are major assholes about it.

[QUOTE=DangerBoy;3782771]Nope. Your analogy is wrong. Like I said, most of the girls in the AMPs here are in their 30's and 40's. None of the AMPs in the mainland, especially in the big cities, want them because they're too old. They have the 20-somethings cycling in and out who are used to covered-everything, one pop, no kissing customers, and according to the other members, they make more than the girls who work here.[/QUOTE]So, the bottom line complaint is wanting providers in their 20's. Look at our best high school football players. They don't stay home and play for UH. They go to the major football schools on the mainland. You go the cities where you can max your potential during your best earning years. In some careers, this happens in their 20's.

[QUOTE=Memahu;3784043]So, the bottom line complaint is wanting providers in their 20's. Look at our best high school football players. They don't stay home and play for UH. They go to the major football schools on the mainland. You go the cities where you can max your potential during your best earning years. In some careers, this happens in their 20's.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. We have very few local girls in AMPs. Too small of an island. Same reason why few young, local girls working in strip clubs. I know a few and they always mention that they want to keep a low profile, but see family members, friends and friends of family and it gets uncomfortable. Can't blame them. As a result, we are getting Chinese and Korean visitors in 30's, 40's and 50's. There are various providers in 20's, but they are few and far between and are very busy because they are in demand.

From a conceptual view, it is good to imagine that if we are traveling, there is a chance of finding a hot, young local girl either stripping or working at an AMP.

Great points Memahu.

Thanks,

CS.

The last 2 I had was Miki / Mini? At Sanho and the other Kylie at Vanilla. Just like rolling craps got some good streaks but also some long line of losers too. With the plus service I had with my last 2 I am afraid to be disappointed on next visit. Sunflower had a coupe new tasty looking additives to menu. Maybe there next?

[QUOTE=CloeStone;3784970]Could not agree more. We have very few local girls in AMPs. Too small of an island. Same reason why few young, local girls working in strip clubs. I know a few and they always mention that they want to keep a low profile, but see family members, friends and friends of family and it gets uncomfortable. Can't blame them. As a result, we are getting Chinese and Korean visitors in 30's, 40's and 50's. There are various providers in 20's, but they are few and far between and are very busy because they are in demand.

From a conceptual view, it is good to imagine that if we are traveling, there is a chance of finding a hot, young local girl either stripping or working at an AMP.

Great points Memahu.

Thanks,

CS.[/QUOTE]I actually think for young girls and local working in a strip club is not the end of the world. I think the problem is the strip clubs themselves. I remember paradise island had definite "younger" locals working there but that place provided a venue for them to work in and make money. Places that don't serve alcohol that are 18+ can pride a niche for the younger crowd to work in.

AMPs however is another issue. Imagine having to service someone you knew in high school that gave you ge creeps. Different that putting on a show at a strip club with tons of guys watching.

I remember club by me and other local strip club dive bar types had locals back in the day. But once the situation changed and the "war on strip clubs" started in Hawaii it ruined everything. Strip clubs already had a smaller number of locals working there and the decline pushed them out completely. Maybe I'm wrong but for local girls especially young ones, if the money is there and good strip club is there, they will come. Working in AMP is a bad option, going Indy and backpage / CL is a worse option in terms of safety and being found out, strip club would provide the opportunity for them to just show up to work in a safe and somewhat regulated place.

The game is kinda about what's missing. I remember some local girls that worked in those booths in arcade by wild horse. I miss those booths along with everything else that has disappeared in the 21st century.

All you need to remember is Club Lollipop! Oh so young and oh so local.

[QUOTE=Seeker963;3785175]I actually think for young girls and local working in a strip club is not the end of the world. I think the problem is the strip clubs themselves. I remember paradise island had definite "younger" locals working there but that place provided a venue for them to work in and make money. Places that don't serve alcohol that are 18+ can pride a niche for the younger crowd to work in.

AMPs however is another issue. Imagine having to service someone you knew in high school that gave you ge creeps. Different that putting on a show at a strip club with tons of guys watching.

I remember club by me and other local strip club dive bar types had locals back in the day. But once the situation changed and the "war on strip clubs" started in Hawaii it ruined everything. Strip clubs already had a smaller number of locals working there and the decline pushed them out completely. Maybe I'm wrong but for local girls especially young ones, if the money is there and good strip club is there, they will come. Working in AMP is a bad option, going Indy and backpage / CL is a worse option in terms of safety and being found out, strip club would provide the opportunity for them to just show up to work in a safe and somewhat regulated place.

The game is kinda about what's missing. I remember some local girls that worked in those booths in arcade by wild horse. I miss those booths along with everything else that has disappeared in the 21st century.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CloeStone;3784970]As a result, we are getting Chinese and Korean visitors in 30's, 40's and 50's. There are various providers in 20's, but they are few and far between and are very busy because they are in demand.[/QUOTE]Their men hog cheese the hot and young ones.