Safe Sex Information and Advice

[QUOTE=OldSkool68;7442255]And I see further down that someone else got burned from a BBBJ. Since when? Last I remember, it was "virtually impossible" to get *anything* from a BBBJ. It was the absolute safest thing one could do. I mean, I think they'd have to eat s**t and then suck your dick for you to get anything. Are you absolutely certain you got something from oral sex?

-OSk.[/QUOTE]Absolutely certain, I've been in the hobby 15+ yrs & never ever fuck these hoes raw, even anal I wrap up but I love a nice wet BBBJ. I usually opt just for that & this is the first time I caught something. I'm just glad it was something easily treatable but still scary from a BBBJ.

[QUOTE=OldSkool68;7442255]And I see further down that someone else got burned from a BBBJ. Since when? Last I remember, it was "virtually impossible" to get *anything* from a BBBJ. It was the absolute safest thing one could do. I mean, I think they'd have to eat s**t and then suck your dick for you to get anything. Are you absolutely certain you got something from oral sex?

-OSk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SwimSays;7442316]Gonorrhea is very easily spread through oral, various types of HPV as well. Much less likely to spread Clap, Syph, or HIV through just oral alone.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, Oldskool, and no offense and nothing personal and all that, but I'm quite surprised here, with the blind maybe leading the blind? A simple google of the topic brings up a shitload of info, on both popular and professional medical sites, and it's clear that getting your dick sucked raw is a perfectly fine way to successfully get the clap! Less common than vaginal sex, to be sure, but the male still has about a 10% chance of catching it from the mouth of female who carries it in their mouth/throat. (Google it!) Doesn't stop me from getting my dick sucked raw, through. There is risk everywhere, right?

And Swim, I'm honestly totally confused as to what you are trying to say here. First you say that "gonorrhea is very easily spread through oral". Well, DUH! It is! But then you follow that statement with, "Much less likely to spread Clap. . . Through just oral alone". Are you not aware that gonorrhea IS clap? They are one and the same! Like Clark Kent and Superman! So which do believe? Because if you believe that gonorrhea is easily spread thru oral but clap is not. . . Well, isn't that sort of like believing that a woman has bolt ons, and that the same woman has all-natural tits, at the same time?! Or maybe, like the Queen of Hearts in Through the Looking Glass, you are able to "believe 6 impossible things before breakfast"!

[QUOTE=MrRicFlair;7442971]Absolutely certain, I've been in the hobby 15+ yrs & never ever fuck these hoes raw, even anal I wrap up but I love a nice wet BBBJ. I usually opt just for that & this is the first time I caught something. I'm just glad it was something easily treatable but still scary from a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Scary is the right word. I'll be damned. I've been getting BBBJs since before my first wife, circa 1993. I'm either the original NEO, or I've been asymptomatic a hundred times and was none the wiser for it. Fuck me, I may be asymptomatic now, as I just got a BBBJ from a nasty old wench on Cranston just last week (Escort thread, I know, sorry).

I really didn't want to, honestly. She was wretched, but that little head somehow convinced me to try anyway. I don't know how he did it! Thankfully, my wife and I are in the sex-once-every-three-months phase, if that; and I just plowed her a couple nights before so I'm good until after the holidays.

But still, news to me! Damn. That sucks. With a condom.

-OSk.

[QUOTE=OldSkool68;7443158]No offense taken. I've never considered it because I never got anything. Also, I never really talk about it with anyone so the topic never comes up. I go, I get sucked, I come home. BUT one time I used to work with this ex-social worker. He was talking about his experience with sex workers. I told him I dabbled even though I always felt like I was rolling the dice. It was he that put that phrase "virtually impossible to get anything from a blowjob" in my head. I took that as a professional opinion, and permission to carry on without digging any deeper.

-OSk.[/QUOTE]A google search brings up various articles that report about a 10% chance of contracting clap from oral. But some studies are higher. Here's a quick reference from a NYC STD center, reporting probabilities of oral transmission of various STDS.

[URL]https://stdcenterny.com/articles/getting-std-via-oral-sex.html[/URL]

This is what it reports for clap:

"Gonorrhea- Chance of transmission from an infected throat to the penis: 23% - 42.3%. ".

Surprising, isn't it?! Nevertheless, FWIFA!

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443146]
And Swim, I'm honestly totally confused as to what you are trying to say here. First you say that "gonorrhea is very easily spread through oral". Well, DUH! It is! But then you follow that statement with, "Much less likely to spread Clap. . . Through just oral alone". Are you not aware that gonorrhea IS clap? They are one and the same! Like Clark Kent and Superman! So which do believe? Because if you believe that gonorrhea is easily spread thru oral but clap is not. . . Well, isn't that sort of like believing that a woman has bolt ons, and that the same woman has all-natural tits, at the same time?! Or maybe, like the Queen of Hearts in Through the Looking Glass, you are able to "believe 6 impossible things before breakfast"![/QUOTE]You are correct sir, my oversight as EINHORN = FINKLE.

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443194]... "Gonorrhea- Chance of transmission from an infected throat to the penis: 23% - 42.3%. "...[/QUOTE]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.

[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;7443434]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.[/QUOTE]Dear God. Someone has inserted Math and Science in the middle of my Escort viewing. What is the world coming to!!

[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;7443434]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.[/QUOTE]I saw the same statistic that you did, but that statistic is based on the general population. For instance, among men who have sex with men, the range is 9% to 15%, which is already 50% more prevalent at the upper end of the range (10% to 15% is a 50% increase). Of course, providers are likely to have many more contacts -- and more cases of gonorrhea of the throat -- than even the most promiscuous of gay men. After all, how many gay men are giving BBBJ after BBBJ, several times a week, at least a few times a day? So why don't we just agree that the risk of getting gonorrhea from a provider is more like 8% per "get-together"? Still, the odds are against it -- there's a 92% chance that you don't get gonnorhea from a single BBBJ from a provider.

92% is the same number (for calculational purposes) as. 92 -- the odds of not catching gonorrhea after seeing 2 providers is. 92 times. 92, which equals, . 846, or 84.6%. After seeing a third provider, the odds of NOT catching gonorrhea from any of them is. 846 times. 92, which is approximately. 78, or 78%. So already, if you're visiting 3 providers, the odds that you don't get gonorrhea from any of them, or from more than one of them, is 78%, which means the odds of catching gonorrhea is 22%, or between 1/4 and 1/5 of the time!

If you engage in 2 or 3 cardates a month, you are very, very likely to get gonorrhea within 4 or 5 months.

Just my 2 cents.

I was just thinking about how hard it would be for someone with a huge stink down there to even go to a doctor. Which doctor would be able to keep a straight face as she disrobes and starts to stink up the place? How you guys are able to hold your noses and see her is beyond me.

[QUOTE=SkyWalker13;7442950]I've always wrapped up eith Joelle. I saw her about 3 or 4 months ago and her pussy reeked. That's usually a sign that something isn't right downstairs. Whether it's hygiene, BV or a STD. The concern with someone who offers bareback to everyone is they aren't getting tested and don't care. I stopped getting BBBJ awhile ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adobe;7443542]I saw the same statistic that you did, but that statistic is based on the general population. For instance, among men who have sex with men, the range is 9% to 15%, which is already 50% more prevalent at the upper end of the range (10% to 15% is a 50% increase). Of course, providers are likely to have many more contacts -- and more cases of gonorrhea of the throat -- than even the most promiscuous of gay men. After all, how many gay men are giving BBBJ after BBBJ, several times a week, at least a few times a day? So why don't we just agree that the risk of getting gonorrhea from a provider is more like 8% per "get-together"? Still, the odds are against it -- there's a 92% chance that you don't get gonnorhea from a single BBBJ from a provider.

92% is the same number (for calculational purposes) as. 92 -- the odds of not catching gonorrhea after seeing 2 providers is. 92 times. 92, which equals, . 846, or 84.6%. After seeing a third provider, the odds of NOT catching gonorrhea from any of them is. 846 times. 92, which is approximately. 78, or 78%. So already, if you're visiting 3 providers, the odds that you don't get gonorrhea from any of them, or from more than one of them, is 78%, which means the odds of catching gonorrhea is 22%, or between 1/4 and 1/5 of the time!.[/QUOTE]Not going to get into math or algorithms. According to the highly respected Mayo Clinic the chances of acquiring an STI from a BBBJ does exist, but it is considerably lower than other sexual activity. It can only occur if your partner has cuts or sores in the mouth or has gum disease. Does that mean we need to be dentists? Of course that's ridiculous, but if you see anything unusual around the mouth or badly rotted teeth then you might want to take out the cover. In all my years in this game I have always limited the number of escorts I see. Most of the time I would just see one regular for months at a time. Bottom line, if you are that worried about an STI, then reduce your chances and find a regular!

[QUOTE=Adobe;7443542]I saw the same statistic that you did, but that statistic is based on the general population. For instance, among men who have sex with men, the range is 9% to 15%, which is already 50% more prevalent at the upper end of the range (10% to 15% is a 50% increase). Of course, providers are likely to have many more contacts -- and more cases of gonorrhea of the throat -- than even the most promiscuous of gay men. After all, how many gay men are giving BBBJ after BBBJ, several times a week, at least a few times a day? So why don't we just agree that the risk of getting gonorrhea from a provider is more like 8% per "get-together"? Still, the odds are against it -- there's a 92% chance that you don't get gonnorhea from a single BBBJ from a provider.

92% is the same number (for calculational purposes) as. 92 -- the odds of not catching gonorrhea after seeing 2 providers is. 92 times. 92, which equals, . 846, or 84.6%. After seeing a third provider, the odds of NOT catching gonorrhea from any of them is. 846 times. 92, which is approximately. 78, or 78%. So already, if you're visiting 3 providers, the odds that you don't get gonorrhea from any of them, or from more than one of them, is 78%, which means the odds of catching gonorrhea is 22%, or between 1/4 and 1/5 of the time!

If you engage in 2 or 3 cardates a month, you are very, very likely to get gonorrhea within 4 or 5 months.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]It's actually even worse than this. Your calculations assume, as you stated, that you are dealing with bare back blow jobs from girls in the general population. But as you pointed out, we are not talking about getting head from girls in the general population here--we are talking here about getting head from HOES. Now, as you astutely mentioned, hoes provide FAR more blowjobs to FAR more men than girls in the general population.

But even taking THAT into account, the wild card here is the fact that hoes are FAR more frequently on drugs that fuck up the immune system, than are girls in the general population. Thus, they are far more likely to have the clap bacteria growing in their throats.

So my conclusion is that hoes on drugs are FAR more likely to pass clap to you from a blowjob than hoes who are not on drugs. This is one of the main reasons that I won't knowingly see hoes who are active junkies. Not even for blow jobs, because I'll NEVER use a cover for a goddam blowjob. I mean, damn! Even my hand feels better than a goddam covered blow job! And it doesn't cost anything! Still, my hand can't smile sweetly, and say "Thank you, daddy!" and stoke my ego!

So this brings up the interesting side question for you mongering statistics aficionados: What fraction of hoes do you think are active junkies? Opiates, meth, and cocaine all have deleterious effects on the immune system. (Google it!) So what percentage of hoes do you think are NOT on any of those types of drugs? If you know any providers in the area who are NOT on hard drugs, and who will provide a decent BBBJ for a fair price, then PLEASE post them up!

[QUOTE=DarkClouds;7443868]I was just thinking about how hard it would be for someone with a huge stink down there to even go to a doctor. Which doctor would be able to keep a straight face as she disrobes and starts to stink up the place? How you guys are able to hold your noses and see her is beyond me.[/QUOTE]Well, doctors, in my experience, can keep a straight face in most situations, LOL! But I hear you regarding that awful stench destroying an otherwise decent adventure! Which brings up the topic of Barbara, the GILF with the big naturals on Elmwood. Last time I saw her the stench was a deal breaker. But others saw her after me, and some reported no more stench. So I'd like to know if that's still true? From you guys that saw her (and smelled her snatch!) recently? Because Barbara is one of the precious few that is NOT on hard drugs, at least by her own declaration. And I've known plenty of civilian women who were NOT junkies who nevertheless had an atrociously smelling snatch! So who's seen her recently, and how long ago, and how did her snatch smell?

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443931]It's actually even worse than this. Your calculations assume, as you stated, that you are dealing with bare back blow jobs from girls in the general population. But as you pointed out, we are not talking about getting head from girls in the general population here--we are talking here about getting head from HOES. Now, as you astutely mentioned, hoes provide FAR more blowjobs to FAR more men than girls in the general population.

But even taking THAT into account, the wild card here is the fact that hoes are FAR more frequently on drugs that fuck up the immune system, than are girls in the general population. Thus, they are far more likely to have the clap bacteria growing in their throats.

So my conclusion is that hoes on drugs are FAR more likely to pass clap to you from a blowjob than hoes who are not on drugs. This is one of the main reasons that I won't knowingly see hoes who are active junkies. Not even for blow jobs, because I'll NEVER use a cover for a goddam blowjob. I mean, damn! Even my hand feels better than a goddam covered blow job! And it doesn't cost anything! Still, my hand can't smile sweetly, and say "Thank you, daddy!" and stoke my ego!

So this brings up the interesting side question for you mongering statistics aficionados: What fraction of hoes do you think are active junkies? Opiates, meth, and cocaine all have deleterious effects on the immune system. (Google it!) So what percentage of hoes do you think are NOT on any of those types of drugs? If you know any providers in the area who are NOT on hard drugs, and who will provide a decent BBBJ for a fair price, then PLEASE post them up![/QUOTE]I give up on the math, I know from personal experience it's only a matter of time of catching something if you're getting BBBJ's in this hobby & exponentially higher if you're fucking them raw. I keep some antibiotics on hand now & pop some the minute something feels off or if my gut tells me too.

Seen Barbara several times for BBBJ, that gummer is top notch & she gets every drop, the place is too dirty to expect her pussy to smell fresh IMHO, so I've never opted for the pussy.

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7443931]It's actually even worse than this. Your calculations assume, as you stated, that you are dealing with bare back blow jobs from girls in the general population. But as you pointed out, we are not talking about getting head from girls in the general population here--we are talking here about getting head from HOES. Now, as you astutely mentioned, hoes provide FAR more blowjobs to FAR more men than girls in the general population.

But even taking THAT into account, the wild card here is the fact that hoes are FAR more frequently on drugs that fuck up the immune system, than are girls in the general population. Thus, they are far more likely to have the clap bacteria growing in their throats.

So my conclusion is that hoes on drugs are FAR more likely to pass clap to you from a blowjob than hoes who are not on drugs. This is one of the main reasons that I won't knowingly see hoes who are active junkies. Not even for blow jobs, because I'll NEVER use a cover for a goddam blowjob. I mean, damn! Even my hand feels better than a goddam covered blow job! And it doesn't cost anything! Still, my hand can't smile sweetly, and say "Thank you, daddy!" and stoke my ego!

So this brings up the interesting side question for you mongering statistics aficionados: What fraction of hoes do you think are active junkies? Opiates, meth, and cocaine all have deleterious effects on the immune system. (Google it!) So what percentage of hoes do you think are NOT on any of those types of drugs? If you know any providers in the area who are NOT on hard drugs, and who will provide a decent BBBJ for a fair price, then PLEASE post them up![/QUOTE]You're right, of course -- ladies with a stressed immune system (from drugs or too many BBBJs) -- are more likely to transmit an STI during a BBBJ. And while the Mayo Clinic mentions certain prerequisites before the disease can be communicable (as noted by the other poster), the category of "gum disease" is pretty far-reaching. Your teeth don't need to be discolored or falling out of your mouth in order for you to have gum disease. It's estimated that 47% of the adult population over 30 has gum disease of some severity or other. I would think that the pricier providers are less likely to be drug users, but perhaps that's an unfair stereotype against ladies who offer $20 cardates. . . Or maybe it's accurate.

[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;7443434]The data guy in me has to bring up one very important thing to look at with a statement like this. What is the prevalence of gonorrhea in the throat? Google search suggested 2-10% of cases. So, using the min / max of those ranges, the chances of getting gonorrhea from oral are (2% of 23%) to (10% of 42% which is 0. 4% to 4%. This is where the "virtually impossible" statement would come into play. Not only do they have to be infected, but specifically their throat has to be infected, for you to be at risk. Is it still a risk? Of course. But it's not a 42% chance.[/QUOTE]Are you sure that those figures weren't derived from the general population? Do they even apply to prostitutes specifically? Or hard drug addicts who are ALSO prostitutes? I can't prove it, but I suspect that the data I reported earlier is closer to the truth, assuming that data was derived from contact tracing for NYC prostitutes and their customers treated by the NYC STD Center? There are indeed A LOT of drug addicted prostitutes in NYC! The table below is from their website.

[URL]https://stdcenterny.com[/URL]

And here's another interesting tidbit: The vast MAJORITY of gonorrhea infections in prostitutes tested in Hong Kong carry it in their throats and NOT in their pussies! 82% of hoes with clap in Hong Kong have the infection in the throat, NOT the pussy! Granted, it was a small sample size, see the pie charts below. Nevertheless, that is a totally unexpected result, if transmission in prostitutes reflects the general population, and clearly, for the other reasons and from data already discussed, it definitely does not!

[URL]https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/fulltext/2015/04000/community_based_sexually_transmitted_infection.5.aspx[/URL]#text=prevalence%20 of%20 C. -,trachomatis%20 and%20 and. ,gonorrhoeae%20 positivity%20 by%20 anatomical%20 site.

Yikes! About a decade ago I got quite a few BBBJs in a trip to Hong Kong! From free-lance bar girls mostly in the hotels. Thankfully with no adverse effects!

Getting your balls licked and sucked, is this safe at least? We can put a man on the moon but can't make bbbjs safe, crying shame!

[QUOTE=Lips1963;7444824]Are you sure that those figures weren't derived from the general population? Do they even apply to prostitutes specifically? Or hard drug addicts who are ALSO prostitutes? I can't prove it, but I suspect that the data I reported earlier is closer to the truth, assuming that data was derived from contact tracing for NYC prostitutes and their customers treated by the NYC STD Center? There are indeed A LOT of drug addicted prostitutes in NYC! The table below is from their website.

[URL]https://stdcenterny.com[/URL]

And here's another interesting tidbit: The vast MAJORITY of gonorrhea infections in prostitutes tested in Hong Kong carry it in their throats and NOT in their pussies! 82% of hoes with clap in Hong Kong have the infection in the throat, NOT the pussy! Granted, it was a small sample size, see the pie charts below. Nevertheless, that is a totally unexpected result, if transmission in prostitutes reflects the general population, and clearly, for the other reasons and from data already discussed, it definitely does not!

[URL]https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/fulltext/2015/04000/community_based_sexually_transmitted_infection.5.aspx[/URL]#text=prevalence%20 of%20 C. -,trachomatis%20 and%20 and. ,gonorrhoeae%20 positivity%20 by%20 anatomical%20 site.

Yikes! About a decade ago I got quite a few BBBJs in a trip to Hong Kong! From free-lance bar girls mostly in the hotels. Thankfully with no adverse effects![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrRicFlair;7444112]I give up on the math, I know from personal experience it's only a matter of time of catching something if you're getting BBBJ's in this hobby & exponentially higher if you're fucking them raw. I keep some antibiotics on hand now & pop some the minute something feels off or if my gut tells me too.

Seen Barbara several times for BBBJ, that gummer is top notch & she gets every drop, the place is too dirty to expect her pussy to smell fresh IMHO, so I've never opted for the pussy.[/QUOTE]I just want to point out here that taking some random amount of random antibiotics for an unidentified potential infection is really NOT a good idea. You won't know if what you're taking is even effective for what you might have, you won't know the correct dosage to take or how long to take it, and taking an insufficient amount or a less effective antibiotic for a particular type of infection is how antibiotic resistant bacteria happens. Go to a doctor and find out for sure what you have and the correct way to treat it, and the follow-up to make sure the treatment was effective.

[QUOTE=MongerBob;7444966]I just want to point out here that taking some random amount of random antibiotics for an unidentified potential infection is really NOT a good idea. You won't know if what you're taking is even effective for what you might have, you won't know the correct dosage to take or how long to take it, and taking an insufficient amount or a less effective antibiotic for a particular type of infection is how antibiotic resistant bacteria happens. Go to a doctor and find out for sure what you have and the correct way to treat it, and the follow-up to make sure the treatment was effective.[/QUOTE]Finally some common sense! One more bit of info regarding the chances of getting Gonorrhea or Herpes from BBBJ's. According to FLO, which is considered the worlds number one app for female health, the probability of acquiring one of these STI's from a woman who is already infected is around 30 percent.

I took some time away from the hobby. Before last week. The last time I partook was in July. When I heard new well-known HYA from LA came down to OC I was forced out of semi-retirement to try and see if the hype was worth it. I saw her twice (over course of 2 weekends) and no one else. I started to get bump (s) and sores down there so I went to get tested. I just got results and tested positive for HSV 2. I frequently got tested when I was active in the hobby and never positive before. Just wanted to spread the word and give folks a heads up.

It is a good idea to periodically get tested. The OC STD Clinic is free, open Monday through Friday in Santa Ana:
[URL]https://ochealthinfo.com/location/17th-street-testing-treatment-and-care-clinic[/URL] [B]OC STD clinic[/B]

There are also doxy pep pills you can get prescriptions for, as well as Valtrex which greatly reduces the transmission of HSV-2 (Genital Herpes). You take doxy pep after, Valtrex before. One is for bacteria, the other is anti-viral. I'm not the best to ask about these options and maybe someone else can give better info. I have consulted different doctors PrEP for HIV but each one has consistently noted that I am at low risk because I don't partake in anal. I don't do bb all the time either. The risk is not zero, I am just not a serious risk in their opinion.

About genital herpes, most people end up asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms. So they often don't know they have it, but testing for antibodies will show it and it is possible to pass it on. About 1 in 8 people have it, so it is quite widespread.

Bacterial STDs are easily treated. Many choose to use callondoc which will send your prescription fast to your nearest pharmacy. I think it cost something like $40, slightly more if you need it expedited. You can also go to urgent care or an std clinic. Just remember with urgent care you may be sent both a bill and an insurance EOB in the mail. For more info on vaccines, testing, prevention, and treatment:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=7441452&viewfull=1#post7441452[/URL] Maintaining good health

For some people, 001 through 003 condoms may be a compromise:

[QUOTE=Download X;7441394][B]003 Condoms and Sizing[/B]
For those who prefer, Chanel2 has [B]003 condoms[/B]. They were better than I expected, and pair well with her high tier pussy. The only catch is if you are a bigger guy, they can be hard to roll on so you have to be patient. Some kgirls will unroll half the condom and slide it on, then roll down the rest. Japanese condoms are slightly smaller than US condoms, so many guys will need the L size. If you're not sure, get the L size. A Japanese L size is not far off from a regular US size. There are even XL, XXL and bigger sizes with a picture of a horse or elephant on the package.

Some cities like LV, NYC, and others have a Teso store which sells 001 through 003. But for OC, try Ebay. If the seller is legit and offers in-person pick up, get their contact and buy from them directly for a discount. Some sellers specialze in bulk sales and have their own online stores once you meet them through Ebay. You could call it UTR through Ebay.

The one advice I have is if you're not sure on size, try the [B]Sagami L 001s[/B]. They come in 10 packs with "pop open" packaging. They are the biggest 001s and will fit most guys used to US sized condoms. Both Sagami and Okamoto condoms have a think layer of lubrication on the outside. It is a good type of lubricant and just the right amount imo.

One advantage of traditional packaging like Okamoto is you can fit one or two into your wallet. This is helpful in case you can't book the kgirl you wanted and end up trying a backup GFE only girl. Or you are toftt on a new girl who offers bb, but she is not a high priority so you go cfs anyways. CFS is very budget friendly, especially if you are a fan of [B]FirstAsians[/B] or thai orgs. We are talking 200-240 hh for cfs.[/QUOTE]

Some GFE only girls were quite amazed at 001 condoms. What a gift to give them. Just make sure they are the correct size, many people need a Sagami L which is the biggest common 001 size.

[QUOTE=Mrworldwide89;7448613]I took some time away from the hobby. Before last week. The last time I partook was in July. When I heard new well-known HYA from LA came down to OC I was forced out of semi-retirement to try and see if the hype was worth it. I saw her twice (over course of 2 weekends) and no one else. I started to get bump (s) and sores down there so I went to get tested. I just got results and tested positive for HSV 2. I frequently got tested when I was active in the hobby and never positive before. Just wanted to spread the word and give folks a heads up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for letting us know. Did you let booker / girl know? Think its time for me to take a break.

The probem is that the provider is the one that needs to take Valtrex, not us (assuming the monger is the one non-infected). If we don't have HSV2, then Valtrex does nothing.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7448648]
... Valtrex which greatly reduces the transmission of HSV-2 (Genital Herpes) ...
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blip;7448928]The problem is that the provider is the one that needs to take Valtrex, not us (assuming the monger is the one non-infected). If we don't have HSV2, then Valtrex does nothing.[/QUOTE]This is my understanding too. There's no medication that you can take to prevent it as a non-infected. We can take stuff for everything but HSV and HPV, if you're past the vaccine age.

The medication is for the infected to lower the chances of passing it on. If you never shown symptoms, you may not know and may passed it on. If you do know you have it and continued on without treatment, that's fucked up and selfish.

Nothing is 100% however you can greatly decrease your chances of getting an std like Herpes by applying hand sanitizer (60% or greater isopropyl) ASAP after the deed is done

[URL]https://www.clrn.org/does-alcohol-kill-herpes-virus/[/URL]

DB.

[QUOTE=Blip;7448928]The probem is that the provider is the one that needs to take Valtrex, not us (assuming the monger is the one non-infected). If we don't have HSV2, then Valtrex does nothing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dildo Baggens;7449074]Nothing is 100% however you can greatly decrease your chances of getting an std like Herpes by applying hand sanitizer (60% or greater isopropyl) ASAP after the deed is done

[URL]https://www.clrn.org/does-alcohol-kill-herpes-virus/[/URL]

DB.[/QUOTE]

I'm worried people are going to try this on their most sensitive parts. Please don't, do not use hand sanitizer on those areas:

[I]..hand sanitizer should not be used on genitals because the alcohol can cause irritation, burning, dryness, and a rash. Hand sanitizer is not formulated for sensitive areas and can damage delicate skin and mucous membranes.[/I]

By the way, I created a Korean Agency GFE thread because there are GFE only girls that are harder to review or discuss. [B]FA Isabella[/B] finished her tour, and I wonder if some other girls will be back. I mentioned FA Claudia but no idea if she will really return. She told me she was still deciding when I saw her. In my experience, that is a 70% over the next few months. I've seen it go both ways.

I know there might be some reluctance to review while you are trying to get appointments with a girl. But if you have any thoughts or reviews on FA Isabella or any other GFE only girl, have at it:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?38133-Korean-Agency-GFE[/URL] Korean Agency GFE

GFE only girls tend to have very fresh pussy. Among the bb kgirls though, they just need to use Betadine douche which is like Listerine for pussy:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10075-Humaniplex&p=7447077#post7447077[/URL] Betadine douche, Kgirl hygene

Good kgirl hygene, plus vaccines and doxy-PEP, are the key to great pussy.

I've never exhibited symptoms before and more often do GFE vs bb. Did bb this time bc it was special and came with the rate. I don't want to make any direct claims but I am just stating my experience. I was in monogamous relationship most of this year too (until July) last time I had sex before this past visit.

[QUOTE=Blip;7448928]The probem is that the provider is the one that needs to take Valtrex, not us (assuming the monger is the one non-infected). If we don't have HSV2, then Valtrex does nothing.[/QUOTE]

I can appreciate your concern, however, I've been doing this for over 20 years and have not exhibited any issues with the epithelial cells on my "sensitive parts". If you looked at the article I sent, you'll notice that it only takes anywhere between a half a minute to a minute to greatly reduce the chance of infection. My suggestion is use a moist towelette after a minute or so of application.

DB.

[QUOTE=DownloadX;7449207]I'm worried people are going to try this on their most sensitive parts. Please don't, do not use hand sanitizer on those areas:

[I]..hand sanitizer should not be used on genitals because the alcohol can cause irritation, burning, dryness, and a rash. Hand sanitizer is not formulated for sensitive areas and can damage delicate skin and mucous membranes.[/I]

By the way, I created a Korean Agency GFE thread because there are GFE only girls that are harder to review or discuss. [B]FA Isabella[/B] finished her tour, and I wonder if some other girls will be back. I mentioned FA Claudia but no idea if she will really return. She told me she was still deciding when I saw her. In my experience, that is a 70% over the next few months. I've seen it go both ways.

I know there might be some reluctance to review while you are trying to get appointments with a girl. But if you have any thoughts or reviews on FA Isabella or any other GFE only girl, have at it:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?38133-Korean-Agency-GFE[/URL] Korean Agency GFE

GFE only girls tend to have very fresh pussy. Among the bb kgirls though, they just need to use Betadine douche which is like Listerine for pussy:
[URL]https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10075-Humaniplex&p=7447077#post7447077[/URL] Betadine douche, Kgirl hygene

Good kgirl hygene, plus vaccines and doxy-PEP, are the key to great pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DarthUchiha91;7447725]Thanks for sharing. Do you or anyone know any other girls from EPM right now that would do BBFS? I know there is one right now (Mary Jane) that has done BBFS based on reviews, but that happened at other agencies, and they advertise which girls do so. EPM doesn't. Just wondering if anyone else had any luck doing so specifically using EPM. I don't want to get my hopes up expecting so and get shut down, or risk being blocked by whomever runs EPM for even asking.[/QUOTE]I don't want to start any fights, but I avoid BBFS girls like the plague. (Bad pun definitely intended). I just don't get the mentality. Don't most of you guys have wives like I do? Or at least enjoy peeing without pain? I'd gladly pay extra for a girl if I could be sure she had never done BBFS professionally.

[QUOTE=Mrworldwide89;7449333]I've never exhibited symptoms before and more often do GFE vs bb. Did bb this time bc it was special and came with the rate. I don't want to make any direct claims but I am just stating my experience. I was in monogamous relationship most of this year too (until July) last time I had sex before this past visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the PSA, appreciate it. That sucks man. I tried and failed to book her multiple times (if this is who I think it is) and I was bummed, but now that might have been a blessing. Do you take truvada? I know its for HIV prevention, but I think it has some protection against HSV too. I'm on it, haven't caught anything yet, and plan to keep it that way. I'm kinda bummed because she was on my must see list.

Yeah, I had balanitis last year after a session. The girl used a cold wipe on my penis, and I didn't think much of it. The next day, my glans was swollen, dry, and my foreskin got micro-tears when retracting, super uncomfortable. I'm uncircumcised and clean daily, so I first thought it was a bacterial or fungal infection. I used Neosporin and kept it clean, and it healed.

When I saw her again, I realized the "cold wipe" was actually a disinfecting wipe. That explained everything. I told her to use regular baby wipes instead. So yeah, watch out for harsh alcohol wipes some girls use.

[QUOTE=Dildo Baggens;7449352]I can appreciate your concern, however, I've been doing this for over 20 years and have not exhibited any issues with the epithelial cells on my "sensitive parts". If you looked at the article I sent, you'll notice that it only takes anywhere between a half a minute to a minute to greatly reduce the chance of infection. My suggestion is use a moist towelette after a minute or so of application.

DB.[/QUOTE]

Moist towelette is great. Same for baby wipes or flushable wipes. Hand sanitizer on your genitals though? Normal people are going to have a terrible reaction like this:

[QUOTE=MisterDotD;7449666]Yeah, I had balanitis last year after a session. The girl used a cold wipe on my penis, and I didn't think much of it. The next day, my glans was swollen, dry, and my foreskin got micro-tears when retracting, super uncomfortable. I'm uncircumcised and clean daily, so I first thought it was a bacterial or fungal infection. I used Neosporin and kept it clean, and it healed.

When I saw her again, I realized the "cold wipe" was actually a disinfecting wipe. That explained everything. I told her to use regular baby wipes instead. So yeah, watch out for harsh alcohol wipes some girls use.[/QUOTE]

If you want to use soap, use mild soap suitable for hands or face. Harsh soap will dry your skin. Hand sanitizer is not meant for it..

Maybe everyone reactions differently, and I'm speaking from my own experience and what you can also read on the labels of these products. You can cause serious skin issues with anything harsh. But whatever works for you, great.

Good idea about hand sanitizer. Someone here gave me the idea of using 70% alcohol antiseptic wipes after the deed. It burns but I can handle it. Don't try it without testing a little bit first. Obviously different body reacts differently.

[QUOTE=DildoBaggens;7449352]I can appreciate your concern, however, I've been doing this for over 20 years and have not exhibited any issues with the epithelial cells on my "sensitive parts". If you looked at the article I sent, you'll notice that it only takes anywhere between a half a minute to a minute to greatly reduce the chance of infection. My suggestion is use a moist towelette after a minute or so of application.

DB.[/QUOTE]

If you have never taken full 10 panel test including HSV before, do it regularly so you know. I heard it can take up to 3 to 6 months for blood test to show accurate result. Free health clinics may not test for HSV without symptoms.

[QUOTE=SoloAdventure;7448970]...If you never shown symptoms, you may not know and may passed it on...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pathfinder04;7449503]I don't want to start any fights, but I avoid BBFS girls like the plague. (Bad pun definitely intended). I just don't get the mentality. Don't most of you guys have wives like I do? Or at least enjoy peeing without pain? I'd gladly pay extra for a girl if I could be sure she had never done BBFS professionally.[/QUOTE]I get what you're saying. But, as a point of reference, I've seen more than a thousand women, gone bareback with about 90% of them, and NEVER caught ANYTHING from them. And there was a time when I was picking up a SW at least once a week, never used a condom with them, and they're supposedly "high risk".

One of the things that mainstream won't tell you is that if you have a healthy immune system, and don't weaken it with drugs or alcohol, and don't engage in anal sex (giving or receiving), you are extremely unlikely to get an STI / STD. It's far easier for women to get an STI / STD from a guy than the other way around.

Could not agree more. Test and verify first.

DB.

[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7449738]Good idea about hand sanitizer. Someone here gave me the idea of using 70% alcohol antiseptic wipes after the deed. It burns but I can handle it. Don't try it without testing a little bit first. Obviously different body reacts differently.



If you have never taken full 10 panel test including HSV before, do it regularly so you know. I heard it can take up to 3 to 6 months for blood test to show accurate result. Free health clinics may not test for HSV without symptoms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrFrench;7449747]I get what you're saying. But, as a point of reference, I've seen more than a thousand women, gone bareback with about 90% of them, and NEVER caught ANYTHING from them. And there was a time when I was picking up a SW at least once a week, never used a condom with them, and they're supposedly "high risk".

One of the things that mainstream won't tell you is that if you have a healthy immune system, and don't weaken it with drugs or alcohol, and don't engage in anal sex (giving or receiving), you are extremely unlikely to get an STI / STD. It's far easier for women to get an STI / STD from a guy than the other way around.[/QUOTE]

Just curious, out of more than a thousand girls you have seen, do you happen to have any information (phone number) on one decent, young, clean one you’d be willing to share?

[QUOTE=Roshi992;7449616]Thanks for the PSA, appreciate it. That sucks man. I tried and failed to book her multiple times (if this is who I think it is) and I was bummed, but now that might have been a blessing. Do you take truvada? I know its for HIV prevention, but I think it has some protection against HSV too. I'm on it, haven't caught anything yet, and plan to keep it that way. I'm kinda bummed because she was on my must see list.[/QUOTE]Doc prescribed me some valacyclovir now to treat the current symptoms and infection and currently taking. He suggests taking these regularly now to prevent future breakouts and reduce risk of transmission in the future.

[QUOTE=MrFrench;7449747]I get what you're saying. But, as a point of reference, I've seen more than a thousand women, gone bareback with about 90% of them, and NEVER caught ANYTHING from them. And there was a time when I was picking up a SW at least once a week, never used a condom with them, and they're supposedly "high risk".

One of the things that mainstream won't tell you is that if you have a healthy immune system, and don't weaken it with drugs or alcohol, and don't engage in anal sex (giving or receiving), you are extremely unlikely to get an STI / STD. It's far easier for women to get an STI / STD from a guy than the other way around.[/QUOTE]This is straight up misinformation LOL. The human body has no natural protection against STDs without the aid of antibiotics. No medical knowledgebase affirms that STDs are hard to catch for a male if they have a healthy immune system. Or that anal sex somehow dials up your chances of catching them. While you may just be lucky, the reality is that if these girls are fucking and sucking unprotected on the regular, just the laws of numbers tell us most men are bound to catch something. I say this as someone who did bare with chicks for a long time, then suddenly every other fucking week I was catching something. Eventually the bigger head won and I stopped doing that.

To be honest, while its possible you are one lucky mofo, its also very likely you may have something that simply doesn't present symptoms and haven't tested for it. Mycloplasma bacteria is now extremely common in transmission via sex, even tho technically it isn't an STD. If you've never tested for it, you likely have it. If you've ever done DATY, you very well could have chlamydia or gonorhea in your mouth, as it often doesn't present symptoms (I've have it). Do you get tested often? Chlamydia and gonorhea, trich (which I've had), often don't present symptoms in men as well. Herpes is any one that can either go unnoticed or never present symptoms, yet you can still have it. A provider I almost engaged unprotected had a herpes sores on her butt.

Not trying to sow discord here, but as someone who thought they were impervious but found out the hard way, its important to spread accurate healthcare information. Also, for the mongers out there, PREP is a great way to prevent HIV, if you are having unprotected sex. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Pathfinder04;7449503]I don't want to start any fights, but I avoid BBFS girls like the plague. (Bad pun definitely intended). I just don't get the mentality. Don't most of you guys have wives like I do? Or at least enjoy peeing without pain? I'd gladly pay extra for a girl if I could be sure she had never done BBFS professionally.[/QUOTE]I feel the same. When escorts say BBFS is ok I assume they have something. Many forget that girls pick up things incurable and out of anger they spread it to anyone else in revenge. Happens all the time in the regular dating world. In sex work, I believe girls who BBFS have given up on life and no longer care about themselves. Actually, in Kensington just about a month ago a girl I knew got beat to death because she was HIV positive. She didn't tell the guy who came to know her and I was told that's why he snapped. Herpes is another one. I knew a cute waitress for years in the regular world who one day I saw her with a grape size herpes bump on her lip. Felt bad for her and that stopped me from kissing a bunch of girls or going down on them. Its not worth it. Then a escort once told me she let a guy talk her into bb anal and she got trichomoniasis and warts right away in her bum.

When I got into the game I'm very risk adverse and even I had to run to the clinic over the years just from bb bee jay. Guys who say they never cought anything I just don't believe it until I see the blood work. The other issue is pregnancy. It's messed up to bring a child into this cold world without any support. I know a few girls who got pregnant by John's and its just a messed up situation.

STDs in 2025 are on the rise. The youth today don't look at STDs like Genx or older. The youth has been raised on porn and think everything will be ok by taking a pill. HIV in particular is no joke! It is very expensive to take HIV medication every year and the medicine can make you feel sick even though the medicine is keeping you alive.

Lastly what I did is research many different condom brands and used the best feeling brand for me. I also use lube and most pros have a bottle of it on hand. Lube keeps a condom from ripping and it makes her box feel wet as if she is really into you.

[QUOTE=PinWheel97;7299107]Not trying to be argumentative but did you read this right? To protect against hiv as a man doing sex vaginally you just have to take it a full 20 days. Which is longer than the other variations. But happy to hear what you read.[/QUOTE]This isn't true according to chatgpt. Only the female has to take it 21 days for full efficacy. Males only need 7 days.

[QUOTE=DildoBaggens;7449074]Nothing is 100% however you can greatly decrease your chances of getting an std like Herpes by applying hand sanitizer (60% or greater isopropyl) ASAP after the deed is done

[URL]https://www.clrn.org/does-alcohol-kill-herpes-virus/[/URL]

DB.[/QUOTE]One thing to consider is what type of material they ran these tests on. If they tested it on a table or other inorganic matter, I wouldn't trust the results. It needs to be on tested on the skin, and more precisely on areas of the genitals and mouth. The reason being is that if you're spending an hour banging an infected person, HPV / HSV is passed through the skin / membranes. Putting that in mind. After the session is over, wouldn't dabbing alcohol on a virus that already got "absorbed" be similar to trying to wipe a muddy floor with a wet towel? Wouldn't it be a little too late for that in most cases?