Supereloquent's Reports - Philadelphia

CJ's and Davey's recent replies to my semi-serious "socks" question caused me to think about a much more serious and relevant issue for our mongering hobby, and that is the degree to which we are exposing ourselves to possible diseases.

I don't know if there have been any serious studies done, or if there is data available from the CDC or other reliable source on this issue, but I would have the following questions for you mongers:

1. Have any of you contracted a disease of any kind from a SW and what were the circumstances? (If this is too personal to reveal, send me a PM. You will have to trust that I will keep the reply totally confidential even as to your SN identity on here.) I will simply admit here that this has never happened to me and I would guesstimate that I have been with well over 1500 different civis, SWs, escorts and women in massage parlors and brothels.

2. Are you personally aware from first hand discussion (not hearsay) with another monger of his contracting a disease from a SW and what were the circumstances? (The identity of the monger in question need not be revealed) As far as I am concerned I don't know one person this has happened to, although they may have been reluctant to admit it.

3. Are any mongers out there medical professionals and/or in a position to KNOW for a fact the risks of disease exposure from various forms of contact with SWs? I am not just talking about the fact that disease is a possibility, but the actual probabilities. (For example, what percentages of SWs have various types of diseases, and what are the percentage likelihoods you would contract them on a single exposure, if the SW is infected. Let unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse off the table because that is just plain nuts. Stick to kissing, DATY, BBBJ and the risks of protected vaginal and anal intercourse .)

4. Are there any credible university, hospital or scientific studies available on this subject? I will be looking for this as well. My search has only just begun.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any. [/QUOTE]


Geeze! I bet you’re loads of fun at a party. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit warped.

I never said that, “Socks” weren’t a worthy topic for discussion. Funny maybe, a little off from the norm possibly, but certainly not unworthy. In fact, I am thinking of including the wearing of and the removal thereof of socks in all of my future SWer reviews. I will not go so far as to say that my choice of dates will be decided bases on the, “Psychology of the Sock.”

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I know that many guys keep their socks on also, even though I do not. If I can walk outdoors on the filthy ground and pavement barefoot, I don't think that walking on the floor of the 10 spot house will give me some dread foot disease, nor have I ever contracted any. [/QUOTE]

Once again I have to say; raised the way I was, I’d never walked outside barefooted. Even on my grandmother farm, I was encouraged to keep my feet covered. Perhaps this too is psychological; I imagine the streets of Philadelphia as being covered with unseen germs, and everything from dog shit, human shit, piss, drunken throw-up, and whatever. And, that’s not to mention the broken glass bottles, trash and years of garbage and other filth and etc, etc and etc to be found on the streets. My mother would have killed me and sent my butt back to heaven if she’d ever caught my out barefoot in the street. I have to imagine that the penalty for walking barefoot in the $10 spot would have been worst.

To each his own.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I did bring up the subject of foot fetishes by mongers VERY recently: an observation from Deep Throat. It IS a serious subject and worthy of discussion. So why didn't you comment about THAT one instead of socks? [/QUOTE]

When I said you hadn’t mentioned the subject of “foot fetishes,” I was talking about that particular post. Your posts involving the subject “Deep Throat,” are very interesting to say the least. I have decided to stay away from that discussion.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Avoiding lip kissing is somewhat hypocritical and puzzling from the standpoint of sanitation, because I have no problem placing my uncovered cock in a SWs mouth,… [/QUOTE]

That’s not quite the same, is it? Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.

You know what, Supereloquent, I take it back. The “Sock Thing,” turned out to be very interesting after all. LOL

CookyJar

PS: Who said anything about kissing a SWer’s feet?

[QUOTE=Supereloquent] I would guesstimate that I have been with well over 1500 different civis, SWs, escorts and women in massage parlors and brothels.



Over 1500 women, and you still have the strength to contribuate to this board. I thought I was a sex addict with the number of women I have been with ( about 10 % of your total ). Next to you I am just a newbie. HIGH FIVE!!

[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29] Over 1500 women, and you still have the strength to contribute to this board. I thought I was a sex addict with the number of women I have been with ( about 10 % of your total ). Next to you I am just a newbie. HIGH FIVE!![/QUOTE]

I fully admit my sexual addiction; my guess would be that most regular mongers in this forum are similarly afflicted. I can almost never get enough sex or enough different women. Sometimes I wonder if it is a blessing or a curse, but I have absolutely no desire to be cured. My only lame excuse is that it is better in my mind than other more harmful addictions such as drugs or alcohol. Perhaps only an addiction to food would be considered less harmful, but that is debatable as well.

Many porn actors also wear socks. I always wondered if it was because their feet get cold hanging out on the set, or if because they (female ones) look more aestehically pleasing in their socks. Now I wonder if there could be a third possiblity, if they did it to avoid direct contact with the dirty floor.
I think if I was ever to play in a porn film I would wear socks because otherwise worrying about cold feet or wondering if my feet are ugly on camera would cause me to lose my errection. Don't think foot fungus worries would enter my mind though.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]We must give a "rat's ass"…
Either might give me a good reason to keep my feet and my cock covered at all times.[/QUOTE]

Just a suggestion. Don’t wait until you get something to be cautious.

I am diabetic. An infection from a shard of glass, or wood fragment from this floor could end up with my having a serious limb.

Have you ever taken a serious look at this floor? I wouldn’t walk barefoot on this floor using your feet. LOL

(Hope you don’t mind my posting these picture in you thread. The subject suddenly took on some real importance. I wouldn’t want other monger taking unnecessary chances. I’ll delete them if you want.)

CookyJar

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]She is smart, is not a drug user (although there is no definitive way to prove such), uses a computer, is an avid reader of this forum, has a distinctive perspective, and exhibits a writing style that shows a better command of the English language than many of the mongers on here.[/QUOTE]

Goodness! Sounds like a keeper and someone I'd love to get to know!

Always like treating a lady well and if she's got smarts then the experience is usually better.

If she's interested in expanding her group of friends...

[QUOTE=CookyJar]Geeze! I bet you’re loads of fun at a party. Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit warped.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am a lot of fun at a party. I hear that all the time. You are the one that picked away at what I had to say. If you thought what you had to say was "funny," then I missed something in the inflection. I don't remember pissing and moaning about what you post, even in jest, except in reaction to the flame wars you like to instigate. CJ, I respect much of what you have to post and say, but you can be a self-righteous opinionated pain in the ass. Maybe it takes one to know one, but I am not usually the one casting the first stone. If I read something that you write with which I disagree, I normally keep it to myself, and reserve being on offense for the real idiots in this forum. But defensively, all bets are off.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]I never said that, “Socks” weren’t a worthy topic for discussion. Funny maybe, a little off from the norm possibly, but certainly not unworthy. In fact, I am thinking of including the wearing of and the removal thereof of socks in all of my future SWer reviews. I will not go so far as to say that my choice of dates will be decided bases on the, “Psychology of the Sock.”[/QUOTE]

At least it was very clear in these comments that your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]Once again I have to say; raised the way I was, I’d never walked outside barefooted. Even on my grandmother farm, I was encouraged to keep my feet covered. Perhaps this too is psychological; I imagine the streets of Philadelphia as being covered with unseen germs, and everything from dog shit, human shit, piss, drunken throw-up, and whatever. And, that’s not to mention the broken glass bottles, trash and years of garbage and other filth and etc, etc and etc to be found on the streets. My mother would have killed me and sent my butt back to heaven if she’d ever caught my out barefoot in the street. I have to imagine that the penalty for walking barefoot in the $10 spot would have been worst.

To each his own.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you say po-tay-toe and I say po-tah-toe. I still have never gotten a foot disease of any kind in my entire life.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]When I said you hadn’t mentioned the subject of “foot fetishes,” I was talking about that particular post. Your posts involving the subject “Deep Throat,” are very interesting to say the least. I have decided to stay away from that discussion.[/QUOTE]

That's nice to hear, especially if you didn't have anything useful or positive to add or contribute.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]That’s not quite the same, is it? Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.[/QUOTE]

So let me get this straight: if there is a cavity or bleeding gums or an open sore in a SWs mouth then there is more risk kissing her than putting your dick in her mouth?

Wikipedia may not be the sole source of knowledge on everything but here's what it has to say on the subject, and this is an unaltered direct quote which you can check out:

"Many STDs are (more easily) transmitted through the mucous membranes of the penis, vulva, rectum, urinary tract and (less often - depending on type of infection)[citation needed] the mouth, throat, respiratory tract and eyes. The visible membrane covering the head of the penis is a mucous membrane, though it produces no mucus (similar to the lips of the mouth). Mucous membranes differ from skin in that they allow certain pathogens into the body."

That kind of throws a little cold water on the medical degree you received on the difference between the penis and the fingers and the mouth. Two of them are mucous membranes.

Here's some more from Wikipedia to consider: "Although mucous membranes exist in the mouth as in the genitals, many STIs seem to be easier to transmit through oral sex than through deep kissing."

So much for your BJ vs.kissing theories, CJ.

As far as other disease transmissions: TB is not spread by kissing (look it up), and one has to be susceptible to catch TB in the first place. Many hospital workers are in daily close contact with TB patients and do not contract the disease. You are also just as likely to catch a cold or other virus through your penis as any other place. Wherever there is liquid infective contact to mucous membranes (yes, CJ, that includes the so-called "protected" penis) there is a possibility of disease transmission. If you can get the flu from touching a door knob that has been touched by an infected person, and then placing it near your eyes, nose or mouth, you can be damn sure that putting your cock directly into the mouth of an infected person is a much greater risk.

Having said all of this, I haven't had as much as a cold since I was in Junior High. So it would not appear that any of my mucous membranes are at very much risk due to a fortunate immunity. Like I said, there are still risks, but the perceived differences, I think, between kissing and BBBJs are primarily psychological.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]Goodness! Sounds like a keeper and someone I'd love to get to know!

Always like treating a lady well and if she's got smarts then the experience is usually better.

If she's interested in expanding her group of friends...[/QUOTE]

The primary Deep Throat (there are several) has a pretty face and a nice bod, and I have her digits as well. But I would have to ask her if she wanted them shared, especially with exposure to others that her identity is that of Deep Throat. Such a revelation would be totally up to her as I have promised to protect her identity.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Many porn actors also wear socks. I always wondered if it was because their feet get cold hanging out on the set, or if because they (female ones) look more aestehically pleasing in their socks. Now I wonder if there could be a third possiblity, if they did it to avoid direct contact with the dirty floor.

I think if I was ever to play in a porn film I would wear socks because otherwise worrying about cold feet or wondering if my feet are ugly on camera would cause me to lose my erection. Don't think foot fungus worries would enter my mind though.[/QUOTE]

Fungus worries do not concern me, but, then again, I never had one, and I played outside barefoot (by choice) most of my childhood. I still walk around the house and outside barefoot, and often prefer the freedom and air circulation to socks and shoes.

But, the idea of aesthetics is an interesting one. The feet are the ugliest part of the body and I would imagine many porn actors cover their feet for that reason. However, I wouldn't imagine most SWs do it for this reason. Most have far more important aesthetic problems to address than whether their feet are ugly.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]
So let me get this straight: if there is a cavity or bleeding gums or an open sore in a SWs mouth then there is more risk kissing her than putting your dick in her mouth?
[/QUOTE]

Wrong again. What I said was: [b] You (the monger) are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you (the monger) have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases.[/b]

I mentioned STDs? I don’t remember mentioning STDs. I’ll go back and check. Nope! I didn’t see anything I said in reference to STDs. It stands to reason that sexually transmitted diseases would be more likely passed on though a sexual act involving the penis, vulva, rectum, urinary tract.(You needed Wikipedia for that?) But we were not discussing STDs now were we? I thought the subject was socks, kissing and walking barefoot. The mentioning of blow jobs was only in relationship to kissing, STDs were never mentioned.

We’re not talking po-tay-toe or po-tah-toe. It’s apples and oranges. You’ve chosen to debate my comments on oranges with facts about apples. We’ve developed an resistance to TB in this country. That’s a fact. TB is now and always has been an airborne disease. (Actually there is more than one way to transmit TB.)

I thought you wanted to have some fun and laughs about socks. You are looking for an argument and a fight.

I’m sorry, I am not interested.

CookyJar

PS: For a guy whose never had VD (that’s what old school guys call STDs) you know an awful lot.

I am with you, CJ. I haven't mongered in Philly for years (decades?) but I have spent enough time in $10 rooms to know you are correct, and, frankly, I think you are being a bit reserved in your opinion.

In Baltimore, DC, Richmond, Orlando, Ventura, Minneapolis, San Antonio, Peoria, ...heck, even Hagerstown, MD... I have been warned by SWs to NOT TAKE MY SHOES OFF because of the risk of stray needles, and such. That seems to be a pretty consistent theme, regardless of location. While most SWs could care less about me and my health, around 5% warn me that the conditions are far worse than they appear.

Apparently, these $10 rooms are either: 1) that lady's true residence, and the $10 per date actually pays her rent, or 2) where some other lady lives, with the $10 going to pay her rent. Either way, the $10 room is where some serious drug addict lives, and looking at the decrepit conditions we all see in those rooms, we all know that's true.

The warning is, and this might be hard to believe, things are actually worse than they appear.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Yes, I am a lot of fun at a party. I hear that all the time. You are the one that picked away at what I had to say. If you thought what you had to say was "funny," then I missed something in the inflection. I don't remember pissing and moaning about what you post, even in jest, except in reaction to the flame wars you like to instigate. CJ, I respect much of what you have to post and say, but you can be a self-righteous opinionated pain in the ass. Maybe it takes one to know one, but I am not usually the one casting the first stone. If I read something that you write with which I disagree, I normally keep it to myself, and reserve being on offense for the real idiots in this forum. But defensively, all bets are off.



At least it was very clear in these comments that your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek.



Yes, you say po-tay-toe and I say po-tah-toe. I still have never gotten a foot disease of any kind in my entire life.



That's nice to hear, especially if you didn't have anything useful or positive to add or contribute.



So let me get this straight: if there is a cavity or bleeding gums or an open sore in a SWs mouth then there is more risk kissing her than putting your dick in her mouth?

Wikipedia may not be the sole source of knowledge on everything but here's what it has to say on the subject, and this is an unaltered direct quote which you can check out:

"Many STDs are (more easily) transmitted through the mucous membranes of the penis, vulva, rectum, urinary tract and (less often - depending on type of infection)[citation needed] the mouth, throat, respiratory tract and eyes. The visible membrane covering the head of the penis is a mucous membrane, though it produces no mucus (similar to the lips of the mouth). Mucous membranes differ from skin in that they allow certain pathogens into the body."

That kind of throws a little cold water on the medical degree you received on the difference between the penis and the fingers and the mouth. Two of them are mucous membranes.

Here's some more from Wikipedia to consider: "Although mucous membranes exist in the mouth as in the genitals, many STIs seem to be easier to transmit through oral sex than through deep kissing."

So much for your BJ vs.kissing theories, CJ.

As far as other disease transmissions: TB is not spread by kissing (look it up), and one has to be susceptible to catch TB in the first place. Many hospital workers are in daily close contact with TB patients and do not contract the disease. You are also just as likely to catch a cold or other virus through your penis as any other place. Wherever there is liquid infective contact to mucous membranes (yes, CJ, that includes the so-called "protected" penis) there is a possibility of disease transmission. If you can get the flu from touching a door knob that has been touched by an infected person, and then placing it near your eyes, nose or mouth, you can be damn sure that putting your cock directly into the mouth of an infected person is a much greater risk.

Having said all of this, I haven't had as much as a cold since I was in Junior High. So it would not appear that any of my mucous membranes are at very much risk due to a fortunate immunity. Like I said, there are still risks, but the perceived differences, I think, between kissing and BBBJs are primarily psychological.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CookyJar]Just a suggestion. Don’t wait until you get something to be cautious.

I am diabetic. An infection from a shard of glass, or wood fragment from this floor could end up with my having a serious limb.

Have you ever taken a serious look at this floor? I wouldn’t walk barefoot on this floor using your feet. LOL

(Hope you don’t mind my posting these picture in you thread. The subject suddenly took on some real importance. I wouldn’t want other monger taking unnecessary chances. I’ll delete them if you want.)

CookyJar[/QUOTE]


HOLY FUCK!!!...........Not only is the floor disgusting, but what is splattered on the walls? And the scale............I wouldn`t put pig food on there to be weighed. There is no way I could ever go into that place fully clothed.....let alone get buck naked and somehow manage to keep an erection.

[QUOTE=CookyJar] Originally the dick came with a nice little protective covering and was always meant to go into a tight, moist place. Like hands and arms and most of the body, the dick has a layer of protective skin that was adapted to be exposed to the elements. Most of us give little thought as to where we put our hands, arms and legs during a sexual encounter. If putting my hands into a girls mouth doesn’t bother me why would putting my dick in the same mouth raise caution? Because of that little pee hole? The pee hole was engineered to eject stuff and not to let stuff in. That’s why we don’t fill up with water when we go swimming. On the other hand, the mouth was designed for the intake of substance, and nothing else. (Breathing is a secondary function of the mouth.) You are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bite your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases. We are talking about anything from the flu, the common cold, mono, up to TB and worse. There are lots of nasty little bugs that are passed on by mouth to mouth contact. It should also be mentioned that if you have an open sore or herpes on you dick while receiving a blow job, you increase your risk for infection.?[/QUOTE]

ALL WET, CJ. The head of the penis is a mucous membrane. It's not "protected" nor is the "pee hole" all you have to worry about. It's the whole damn head. It allows the passage of pathogens. There are lots of "nasty little bugs" you can catch with your penis and it is hardly the same risk as "placing your hands in a girl's mouth." My point is not that I don't assume this risk, because I do. But there is risk both from kissing and BBBJs, and to boldly say that kissing is a greater risk is misinformation, because it ISN'T!

[QUOTE=CookyJar]Wrong again. What I said was: [b] You (the monger) are more likely to catch something from kissing than from having your dick sucked. If you (the monger) have a cavity, bleeding gums, recently bitten your tongue or the inside of you cheek, or have any open sore in your mouth, the chances of getting something from deep kissing increases.[/b] [/QUOTE]

The same is true in reverse and THAT was MY point (not yours). If a SW has a cavity, bleeding gums, a cut in the mouth, an open sore, you are at as much risk sticking your cock in there as your tongue.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]I mentioned STDs? I don’t remember mentioning STDs. I’ll go back and check. Nope! I didn’t see anything I said in reference to STDs.[/QUOTE]

MY point was that the ORAL risk of transmitting an STD is higher with a BBBJ than kissing. I thought that was worthy mentioning, even if you didn't.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]I thought you wanted to have some fun and laughs about socks. You are looking for an argument and a fight.

I’m sorry, I am not interested.[/QUOTE]

You are not interested because you are WRONG. A BBBJ is not and never will be less risky than kissing, ESPECIALLY with regard to the oral transmission of STDs, but it also applies to the transmission of ANY disease. Your statement that a penis is at no more risk than your finger in the mouth of a SW is absolutely, ridiculously and obtusely DUMB.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]PS: For a guy whose never had VD (that’s what old school guys call STDs) you know an awful lot.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't take much to know that a penis is different from a finger.

[QUOTE=Squonk64]I am with you, CJ. I haven't mongered in Philly for years (decades?) but I have spent enough time in $10 rooms to know you are correct, and, frankly, I think you are being a bit reserved in your opinion.

In Baltimore, DC, Richmond, Orlando, Ventura, Minneapolis, San Antonio, Peoria, ...heck, even Hagerstown, MD... I have been warned by SWs to NOT TAKE MY SHOES OFF because of the risk of stray needles, and such. That seems to be a pretty consistent theme, regardless of location. While most SWs could care less about me and my health, around 5% warn me that the conditions are far worse than they appear.

Apparently, these $10 rooms are either: 1) that lady's true residence, and the $10 per date actually pays her rent, or 2) where some other lady lives, with the $10 going to pay her rent. Either way, the $10 room is where some serious drug addict lives, and looking at the decrepit conditions we all see in those rooms, we all know that's true.

The warning is, and this might be hard to believe, things are actually worse than they appear.[/QUOTE]

As I recall we were talking about SOCKS, and now you chime in as saying CJ is "correct" because one should be wearing SHOES? Did I miss something?

The thrust of your argument was that you need to protect yourself from stray needles. OK I get your point. That might be a word to the wise. But what does that have to do with your agreement of CJ's wearing SOCKS? Whether one is wearing socks or not, if there are stray needles on the floor I don't think that wearing socks will make much of a difference, unless they are armor plated.